Eating high carbs for muslce building (Long)

[Guest guest]

I like this whole carb discussion.... I've been able to calculate what I

need to eat, in grams for protein, fats and carbs. We first looked at what I

needed to eat just to maintain my weight if I were laying around watching TV

all day, just to survive. I need 2845 cals per day, most of this from

proteins and fats, only very little from some complex carbs... Now, this is

where it get's tricky and becomes a mind game for me. I'm trying to (GASP)

put on weight. Scary thought when ya first hear it, I know. I need to

consume somewhere between 2850 and 3500 cals per day. Over the entire day I

break it down to a 50-30-20 ratio, meaning I get 50% from carbs, 30% from

protein and 20% from fats... or try to... this means that I need 1425

calories from carbs, 855 from protein and 570 from fat. In grams this

translates to, close your eyes if you are squimish..... 356 gms of carbs per

day, 214 gms of protein and 63 gms of fats. If I were to just sit around all

day, doing nothing I would pack on weight with this, not the kinda weight I

want either. Since I am training hard, at my maximum level, I burn it all.

Training hard you can completely deplete the muscle glycogen from both liver

and exercised muscle in less than 2 hours. The most important part of the

whole carbs deal is getting it right using the glycemic index. Now, my

problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar dropping. I've

been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad episodes of

reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal for me.

I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great muscle

definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get scared about

eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put into motion

and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me the

building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles. I've become quiet the

bodybuilder, such a big change from the 429 lb fat ass that used to do

nothing but eat, sleep and let life pass him by.

Just thought I would throw my thoughts in with info on what I do. Of course

this won't work for everyone, and probably not for most.... I can contribute

my muscle building not only to the carbs but to my ProBlend55.

Randy

Re: How many carbs?

> To be totally honest I don't remember exact figures but I believe my

> surgeon recommended not more then 5 grams of carbs per serving and

> preferrably not more then 30 grams per day. However, I never counted the

> carbs in the protein I ate. It was also suggested that carbs should be

> less then 20% of what I consume in a day.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> congestive heart failure 4/14/01 479 lbs.

> Silistic Ring Vertical Gastroplasty 7/16/01 401 lbs.

> Current Weight 335 lbs

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

>

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:10:09 -0000 " katebme2002 "

> writes:

> > hiya gang...i have a friend who is 6 mos post op d/s NO bpd and her

> > doc told her to ONLY eat 15g of carbs a day...

> > does that sound insanely LOW to anyone else?

> >

> > my surgeon told me to keep it at 100 or under & my understanding is

> >

> > that for a woman, 125 or less will keep you in ketosis...

> >

> > what did everyone else's doc say (or what did you do based on your

> > own research)...

> >

> > i also know someone online (tho i can't find it of course) is a

> > baseline amount of carbs our bodies need for our brains to function

> >

> > normally...anyone know the ballpark #?

> >

> > thanks!

> > {{hugs}} kate

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I like this whole carb discussion.... I've been able to calculate what I

need to eat, in grams for protein, fats and carbs. We first looked at what I

needed to eat just to maintain my weight if I were laying around watching TV

all day, just to survive. I need 2845 cals per day, most of this from

proteins and fats, only very little from some complex carbs... Now, this is

where it get's tricky and becomes a mind game for me. I'm trying to (GASP)

put on weight. Scary thought when ya first hear it, I know. I need to

consume somewhere between 2850 and 3500 cals per day. Over the entire day I

break it down to a 50-30-20 ratio, meaning I get 50% from carbs, 30% from

protein and 20% from fats... or try to... this means that I need 1425

calories from carbs, 855 from protein and 570 from fat. In grams this

translates to, close your eyes if you are squimish..... 356 gms of carbs per

day, 214 gms of protein and 63 gms of fats. If I were to just sit around all

day, doing nothing I would pack on weight with this, not the kinda weight I

want either. Since I am training hard, at my maximum level, I burn it all.

Training hard you can completely deplete the muscle glycogen from both liver

and exercised muscle in less than 2 hours. The most important part of the

whole carbs deal is getting it right using the glycemic index. Now, my

problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar dropping. I've

been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad episodes of

reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal for me.

I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great muscle

definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get scared about

eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put into motion

and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me the

building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles. I've become quiet the

bodybuilder, such a big change from the 429 lb fat ass that used to do

nothing but eat, sleep and let life pass him by.

Just thought I would throw my thoughts in with info on what I do. Of course

this won't work for everyone, and probably not for most.... I can contribute

my muscle building not only to the carbs but to my ProBlend55.

Randy

Re: How many carbs?

> To be totally honest I don't remember exact figures but I believe my

> surgeon recommended not more then 5 grams of carbs per serving and

> preferrably not more then 30 grams per day. However, I never counted the

> carbs in the protein I ate. It was also suggested that carbs should be

> less then 20% of what I consume in a day.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> congestive heart failure 4/14/01 479 lbs.

> Silistic Ring Vertical Gastroplasty 7/16/01 401 lbs.

> Current Weight 335 lbs

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

>

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:10:09 -0000 " katebme2002 "

> writes:

> > hiya gang...i have a friend who is 6 mos post op d/s NO bpd and her

> > doc told her to ONLY eat 15g of carbs a day...

> > does that sound insanely LOW to anyone else?

> >

> > my surgeon told me to keep it at 100 or under & my understanding is

> >

> > that for a woman, 125 or less will keep you in ketosis...

> >

> > what did everyone else's doc say (or what did you do based on your

> > own research)...

> >

> > i also know someone online (tho i can't find it of course) is a

> > baseline amount of carbs our bodies need for our brains to function

> >

> > normally...anyone know the ballpark #?

> >

> > thanks!

> > {{hugs}} kate

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Randy,

From everything I read and have learned from my coach, the carbs before and

right after hard training are especially important since all of the glycogen

is depleted from the muscles, as you state. The muscles would actually

start eating themselves.

I have fruit juice before my workout....I have to have coffee first, and not

a whole lot of it, or I'll dump. I usually have eight ounces of orange

juice. Afterwards, I always have some kind of sandwich type thing with

bread, either from fast food, a ham and cheese croissant, or a breakfast

taco. It's usually the only time I eat like this, but it's the right thing

to do in that situation.

You Go Randy!!!!!

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Eating high carbs for muslce building (Long)

> Now, my

> problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar dropping.

I've

> been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad episodes

of

> reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal for me.

> I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great muscle

> definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get scared about

> eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put into

motion

> and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me the

> building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles.

> Randy

[Guest guest]

Randy,

From everything I read and have learned from my coach, the carbs before and

right after hard training are especially important since all of the glycogen

is depleted from the muscles, as you state. The muscles would actually

start eating themselves.

I have fruit juice before my workout....I have to have coffee first, and not

a whole lot of it, or I'll dump. I usually have eight ounces of orange

juice. Afterwards, I always have some kind of sandwich type thing with

bread, either from fast food, a ham and cheese croissant, or a breakfast

taco. It's usually the only time I eat like this, but it's the right thing

to do in that situation.

You Go Randy!!!!!

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Eating high carbs for muslce building (Long)

> Now, my

> problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar dropping.

I've

> been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad episodes

of

> reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal for me.

> I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great muscle

> definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get scared about

> eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put into

motion

> and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me the

> building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles.

> Randy

[Guest guest]

ohmg!! i can't imagine eating that many calories or carbs in a day!

yowza!! i lift weights (seriously) 4-5 days a week and do yoga on

sundays sometimes an aerobic class on saturdays so i know my caloric

intake has increased and as i've gained a couple of pounds, i've

dropped another clothes size!!

how are you able to eat that much? what kind of foods do you eat?

i've noticed in the last month or so, i'm dumping easier on

sugars/carbs than i did for a loooooong time--- i had raisin bran

for breakfast this morning and dumped (not bad, just the heart

racing, feeling kinda icky) but that seems to happen more often --

anyways, i'd be interested in seeing your workout schedule & what

you eat in a day if you don't mind --

thanks!

kate

> I like this whole carb discussion.... I've been able to calculate

what I

> need to eat, in grams for protein, fats and carbs. We first looked

at what I

> needed to eat just to maintain my weight if I were laying around

watching TV

> all day, just to survive. I need 2845 cals per day, most of this

from

> proteins and fats, only very little from some complex carbs...

Now, this is

> where it get's tricky and becomes a mind game for me. I'm trying

to (GASP)

> put on weight. Scary thought when ya first hear it, I know. I need

to

> consume somewhere between 2850 and 3500 cals per day. Over the

entire day I

> break it down to a 50-30-20 ratio, meaning I get 50% from carbs,

30% from

> protein and 20% from fats... or try to... this means that I need

1425

> calories from carbs, 855 from protein and 570 from fat. In grams

this

> translates to, close your eyes if you are squimish..... 356 gms of

carbs per

> day, 214 gms of protein and 63 gms of fats. If I were to just sit

around all

> day, doing nothing I would pack on weight with this, not the kinda

weight I

> want either. Since I am training hard, at my maximum level, I burn

it all.

> Training hard you can completely deplete the muscle glycogen from

both liver

> and exercised muscle in less than 2 hours. The most important part

of the

> whole carbs deal is getting it right using the glycemic index.

Now, my

> problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar

dropping. I've

> been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad

episodes of

> reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal

for me.

> I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great

muscle

> definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get

scared about

> eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put

into motion

> and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me

the

> building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles. I've become quiet

the

> bodybuilder, such a big change from the 429 lb fat ass that used

to do

> nothing but eat, sleep and let life pass him by.

> Just thought I would throw my thoughts in with info on what I do.

Of course

> this won't work for everyone, and probably not for most.... I can

contribute

> my muscle building not only to the carbs but to my ProBlend55.

> Randy

[Guest guest]

ohmg!! i can't imagine eating that many calories or carbs in a day!

yowza!! i lift weights (seriously) 4-5 days a week and do yoga on

sundays sometimes an aerobic class on saturdays so i know my caloric

intake has increased and as i've gained a couple of pounds, i've

dropped another clothes size!!

how are you able to eat that much? what kind of foods do you eat?

i've noticed in the last month or so, i'm dumping easier on

sugars/carbs than i did for a loooooong time--- i had raisin bran

for breakfast this morning and dumped (not bad, just the heart

racing, feeling kinda icky) but that seems to happen more often --

anyways, i'd be interested in seeing your workout schedule & what

you eat in a day if you don't mind --

thanks!

kate

> I like this whole carb discussion.... I've been able to calculate

what I

> need to eat, in grams for protein, fats and carbs. We first looked

at what I

> needed to eat just to maintain my weight if I were laying around

watching TV

> all day, just to survive. I need 2845 cals per day, most of this

from

> proteins and fats, only very little from some complex carbs...

Now, this is

> where it get's tricky and becomes a mind game for me. I'm trying

to (GASP)

> put on weight. Scary thought when ya first hear it, I know. I need

to

> consume somewhere between 2850 and 3500 cals per day. Over the

entire day I

> break it down to a 50-30-20 ratio, meaning I get 50% from carbs,

30% from

> protein and 20% from fats... or try to... this means that I need

1425

> calories from carbs, 855 from protein and 570 from fat. In grams

this

> translates to, close your eyes if you are squimish..... 356 gms of

carbs per

> day, 214 gms of protein and 63 gms of fats. If I were to just sit

around all

> day, doing nothing I would pack on weight with this, not the kinda

weight I

> want either. Since I am training hard, at my maximum level, I burn

it all.

> Training hard you can completely deplete the muscle glycogen from

both liver

> and exercised muscle in less than 2 hours. The most important part

of the

> whole carbs deal is getting it right using the glycemic index.

Now, my

> problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar

dropping. I've

> been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad

episodes of

> reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal

for me.

> I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great

muscle

> definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get

scared about

> eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put

into motion

> and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me

the

> building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles. I've become quiet

the

> bodybuilder, such a big change from the 429 lb fat ass that used

to do

> nothing but eat, sleep and let life pass him by.

> Just thought I would throw my thoughts in with info on what I do.

Of course

> this won't work for everyone, and probably not for most.... I can

contribute

> my muscle building not only to the carbs but to my ProBlend55.

> Randy

[Guest guest]

Okay Kate, here goes....

All are with free weights, no nautilus. All are done with the maximum weight

that causes failure at the high number of reps in the first set. All are 4

sets of 8-12 reps, except weighted abs and they are 3 sets of 15 reps, and

the abs are done on every workout.

Day 1- Chest:

Incline Press

Dumbbell Flat bench

Dumbbell pullover

Dumbbell fly

Dumbbell decline fly

Decline Press

Cable Crossovers upper and lower.

Lying Cable crossovers

Day 2-Legs:

Squats

Leg Press

Hip extension

Lunges

Calf raises

Day 3-Off

Day 4-Back:

Overhand Chins

Barbell/Dumbbell Rows

Barbell pullover

Shrugs

Lat pull down

Day 5-Shoulders/Biceps/Triceps:

Shoulders:

Standing dumbbell press

Dumbbell side raise

Biceps:

Standing Curl

Reverse Curl

Triceps:

French Curl

Press Down.

Rope Press down.

Day 6- Off

Day 7- Off

As for the food I have to try hard to get it all in. I start the day with a

PB55 with 1/2 oats mixed in, to boost the carb content. Two hours later it's

a scrambled egg with one egg white, a grilled chicken breast and a

tablespoon of peanut butter. Three hours later, if it's a workout day I have

a 1/2 PB55 with 1/4 cup of oats. If it's not a workout day I have an apple,

1/2 cup of tuna salad, slice of wheat bread. I have a PB55 post workout

also. Three hours later it's a snack of macadamian nuts, cashews and

almonds. Three hours later it's usually something like some kidney beans,

lettuce, collards and some chicken, or either some black eyed peas, protein

enriched spaghetti with some turkey meat and some wheat bread. Later in the

night I'll try to get in some strawberry's or a pear or peach.... I snack

with sugar free candy thru out the day, peanut butter and crackers. On top

of all this I drink about 8-12 liters of water a day and several diet dr.

peppers. I take a multi-vitamin, a product called NO2 and will cycle

creatine about every 21 day's. I think that's about it...As you see I don't

do well getting it all in, I probably don't consume that many cals, I need

to, but I don't think I've accomplished that goal yet.

Randy

Re: Eating high carbs for muslce building (Long)

> ohmg!! i can't imagine eating that many calories or carbs in a day!

> yowza!! i lift weights (seriously) 4-5 days a week and do yoga on

> sundays sometimes an aerobic class on saturdays so i know my caloric

> intake has increased and as i've gained a couple of pounds, i've

> dropped another clothes size!!

>

> how are you able to eat that much? what kind of foods do you eat?

>

> i've noticed in the last month or so, i'm dumping easier on

> sugars/carbs than i did for a loooooong time--- i had raisin bran

> for breakfast this morning and dumped (not bad, just the heart

> racing, feeling kinda icky) but that seems to happen more often --

>

> anyways, i'd be interested in seeing your workout schedule & what

> you eat in a day if you don't mind --

> thanks!

> kate

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I like this whole carb discussion.... I've been able to calculate

> what I

> > need to eat, in grams for protein, fats and carbs. We first looked

> at what I

> > needed to eat just to maintain my weight if I were laying around

> watching TV

> > all day, just to survive. I need 2845 cals per day, most of this

> from

> > proteins and fats, only very little from some complex carbs...

> Now, this is

> > where it get's tricky and becomes a mind game for me. I'm trying

> to (GASP)

> > put on weight. Scary thought when ya first hear it, I know. I need

> to

> > consume somewhere between 2850 and 3500 cals per day. Over the

> entire day I

> > break it down to a 50-30-20 ratio, meaning I get 50% from carbs,

> 30% from

> > protein and 20% from fats... or try to... this means that I need

> 1425

> > calories from carbs, 855 from protein and 570 from fat. In grams

> this

> > translates to, close your eyes if you are squimish..... 356 gms of

> carbs per

> > day, 214 gms of protein and 63 gms of fats. If I were to just sit

> around all

> > day, doing nothing I would pack on weight with this, not the kinda

> weight I

> > want either. Since I am training hard, at my maximum level, I burn

> it all.

> > Training hard you can completely deplete the muscle glycogen from

> both liver

> > and exercised muscle in less than 2 hours. The most important part

> of the

> > whole carbs deal is getting it right using the glycemic index.

> Now, my

> > problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar

> dropping. I've

> > been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad

> episodes of

> > reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal

> for me.

> > I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great

> muscle

> > definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get

> scared about

> > eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put

> into motion

> > and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me

> the

> > building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles. I've become quiet

> the

> > bodybuilder, such a big change from the 429 lb fat ass that used

> to do

> > nothing but eat, sleep and let life pass him by.

> > Just thought I would throw my thoughts in with info on what I do.

> Of course

> > this won't work for everyone, and probably not for most.... I can

> contribute

> > my muscle building not only to the carbs but to my ProBlend55.

> > Randy

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay Kate, here goes....

All are with free weights, no nautilus. All are done with the maximum weight

that causes failure at the high number of reps in the first set. All are 4

sets of 8-12 reps, except weighted abs and they are 3 sets of 15 reps, and

the abs are done on every workout.

Day 1- Chest:

Incline Press

Dumbbell Flat bench

Dumbbell pullover

Dumbbell fly

Dumbbell decline fly

Decline Press

Cable Crossovers upper and lower.

Lying Cable crossovers

Day 2-Legs:

Squats

Leg Press

Hip extension

Lunges

Calf raises

Day 3-Off

Day 4-Back:

Overhand Chins

Barbell/Dumbbell Rows

Barbell pullover

Shrugs

Lat pull down

Day 5-Shoulders/Biceps/Triceps:

Shoulders:

Standing dumbbell press

Dumbbell side raise

Biceps:

Standing Curl

Reverse Curl

Triceps:

French Curl

Press Down.

Rope Press down.

Day 6- Off

Day 7- Off

As for the food I have to try hard to get it all in. I start the day with a

PB55 with 1/2 oats mixed in, to boost the carb content. Two hours later it's

a scrambled egg with one egg white, a grilled chicken breast and a

tablespoon of peanut butter. Three hours later, if it's a workout day I have

a 1/2 PB55 with 1/4 cup of oats. If it's not a workout day I have an apple,

1/2 cup of tuna salad, slice of wheat bread. I have a PB55 post workout

also. Three hours later it's a snack of macadamian nuts, cashews and

almonds. Three hours later it's usually something like some kidney beans,

lettuce, collards and some chicken, or either some black eyed peas, protein

enriched spaghetti with some turkey meat and some wheat bread. Later in the

night I'll try to get in some strawberry's or a pear or peach.... I snack

with sugar free candy thru out the day, peanut butter and crackers. On top

of all this I drink about 8-12 liters of water a day and several diet dr.

peppers. I take a multi-vitamin, a product called NO2 and will cycle

creatine about every 21 day's. I think that's about it...As you see I don't

do well getting it all in, I probably don't consume that many cals, I need

to, but I don't think I've accomplished that goal yet.

Randy

Re: Eating high carbs for muslce building (Long)

> ohmg!! i can't imagine eating that many calories or carbs in a day!

> yowza!! i lift weights (seriously) 4-5 days a week and do yoga on

> sundays sometimes an aerobic class on saturdays so i know my caloric

> intake has increased and as i've gained a couple of pounds, i've

> dropped another clothes size!!

>

> how are you able to eat that much? what kind of foods do you eat?

>

> i've noticed in the last month or so, i'm dumping easier on

> sugars/carbs than i did for a loooooong time--- i had raisin bran

> for breakfast this morning and dumped (not bad, just the heart

> racing, feeling kinda icky) but that seems to happen more often --

>

> anyways, i'd be interested in seeing your workout schedule & what

> you eat in a day if you don't mind --

> thanks!

> kate

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I like this whole carb discussion.... I've been able to calculate

> what I

> > need to eat, in grams for protein, fats and carbs. We first looked

> at what I

> > needed to eat just to maintain my weight if I were laying around

> watching TV

> > all day, just to survive. I need 2845 cals per day, most of this

> from

> > proteins and fats, only very little from some complex carbs...

> Now, this is

> > where it get's tricky and becomes a mind game for me. I'm trying

> to (GASP)

> > put on weight. Scary thought when ya first hear it, I know. I need

> to

> > consume somewhere between 2850 and 3500 cals per day. Over the

> entire day I

> > break it down to a 50-30-20 ratio, meaning I get 50% from carbs,

> 30% from

> > protein and 20% from fats... or try to... this means that I need

> 1425

> > calories from carbs, 855 from protein and 570 from fat. In grams

> this

> > translates to, close your eyes if you are squimish..... 356 gms of

> carbs per

> > day, 214 gms of protein and 63 gms of fats. If I were to just sit

> around all

> > day, doing nothing I would pack on weight with this, not the kinda

> weight I

> > want either. Since I am training hard, at my maximum level, I burn

> it all.

> > Training hard you can completely deplete the muscle glycogen from

> both liver

> > and exercised muscle in less than 2 hours. The most important part

> of the

> > whole carbs deal is getting it right using the glycemic index.

> Now, my

> > problem is, can I eat all those carbs without my blood sugar

> dropping. I've

> > been doing this for a coupla weeks, have had several pretty bad

> episodes of

> > reactive hypoglycemia, which is not that much more than is normal

> for me.

> > I've also packed on about 4 lbs of lean mass. I'm seeing great

> muscle

> > definition and great gains. I just try to remember when I get

> scared about

> > eating the carbs that I have to feed this machine that I've put

> into motion

> > and that the carbs supply the energy, while the protein gives me

> the

> > building blocks to grow new and bigger muscles. I've become quiet

> the

> > bodybuilder, such a big change from the 429 lb fat ass that used

> to do

> > nothing but eat, sleep and let life pass him by.

> > Just thought I would throw my thoughts in with info on what I do.

> Of course

> > this won't work for everyone, and probably not for most.... I can

> contribute

> > my muscle building not only to the carbs but to my ProBlend55.

> > Randy

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