Repost: other moisturizers

[Guest guest]

Apparently I've lost my touch in figuring out what's properly

directed private email and accidently misdirected public posting. My

sincere apologies to anyone who I repost inappropriately; I hope

maintaining anonymity is a sufficient cloaking device. My motives are

only to share what I think is valuable information or concerns with

the entire group. My previous comment regarding individuals who

mispost was intended to readdress an observation so many have made

already made in this group, not to chastize a particular individual --

not at all, and I apologize if my words were interpreted as such.

In that spirit, someone emailed me this question, which I feel is

deserving of responses from other people (mine follows):

-=-=-=

I thought I would ask u cause I also break out on

tolerian cream, so my question is have u tried the

cea Care cream or Emu Super rich moisturizer?

Im thinking about order rosacea care cream...got a

sample of emu super rich but haven't tried it yet.

-=-==

I have not tried any of the emu products. For the past six months of

so I've intermittently used cea Care's moisturing cream -- it's

very rich so a very little goes a long way. I don't react to it, and

I may even get some anti-inflammatory benefit, but if I use it too

many days in a row I will break out, in pretty much the same fashion

as I do with the Tolerian cream. I even break out in the same fashion

to Oil of Olay's Sensitive formula, again using near-microscopic

amounts.

What are these breakouts from? I don't know. I've assumed they're

clogged pores, but they may well be from emulsifiers or, as Barry

points out, preservatives or other ingredients. I even had a bad

reaction to simple moisturizing oil, although I was literally pouring

that onto my face.

These days, I'm going without any moisturizers. Here's to the person

who said they love eye lines! <g>

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

Apparently I've lost my touch in figuring out what's properly

directed private email and accidently misdirected public posting. My

sincere apologies to anyone who I repost inappropriately; I hope

maintaining anonymity is a sufficient cloaking device. My motives are

only to share what I think is valuable information or concerns with

the entire group. My previous comment regarding individuals who

mispost was intended to readdress an observation so many have made

already made in this group, not to chastize a particular individual --

not at all, and I apologize if my words were interpreted as such.

In that spirit, someone emailed me this question, which I feel is

deserving of responses from other people (mine follows):

-=-=-=

I thought I would ask u cause I also break out on

tolerian cream, so my question is have u tried the

cea Care cream or Emu Super rich moisturizer?

Im thinking about order rosacea care cream...got a

sample of emu super rich but haven't tried it yet.

-=-==

I have not tried any of the emu products. For the past six months of

so I've intermittently used cea Care's moisturing cream -- it's

very rich so a very little goes a long way. I don't react to it, and

I may even get some anti-inflammatory benefit, but if I use it too

many days in a row I will break out, in pretty much the same fashion

as I do with the Tolerian cream. I even break out in the same fashion

to Oil of Olay's Sensitive formula, again using near-microscopic

amounts.

What are these breakouts from? I don't know. I've assumed they're

clogged pores, but they may well be from emulsifiers or, as Barry

points out, preservatives or other ingredients. I even had a bad

reaction to simple moisturizing oil, although I was literally pouring

that onto my face.

These days, I'm going without any moisturizers. Here's to the person

who said they love eye lines! <g>

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Merle Norman has a new moisturizer for sensitive skin -- even

> specifies for rosacea. No spf, and supposedly free of all

> ingredients known to be harsh. They didn't have samples, but

> maintain they stand by all their products.

Thanks, Jean! I'm not familiar with that brand. I assume you mean

this product (off their Web site www.merlenorman.com). I can't find a

list of ingredients or pricing, and the product is sold through

franchises:

LUXIVA® Delicate Balance

For all skin types.

Lightweight, oil-free moisturizer specifically formulated for

sensitive skin. Marine-derived extracts help soothe and calm skin,

while plant-derived ceramides and special anti-irritants help reduce

redness and skin sensitivity. Safe for rosacea. Non-acnegenic and non-

comedogenic. Does not contain fragrance, alcohol, dyes, colorants or

parabens. Tested and safe for sensitive skin and those affected by

rosacea.

Anyone try this yet?

I hope the Super City Block works well for you.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Merle Norman has a new moisturizer for sensitive skin -- even

> specifies for rosacea. No spf, and supposedly free of all

> ingredients known to be harsh. They didn't have samples, but

> maintain they stand by all their products.

Thanks, Jean! I'm not familiar with that brand. I assume you mean

this product (off their Web site www.merlenorman.com). I can't find a

list of ingredients or pricing, and the product is sold through

franchises:

LUXIVA® Delicate Balance

For all skin types.

Lightweight, oil-free moisturizer specifically formulated for

sensitive skin. Marine-derived extracts help soothe and calm skin,

while plant-derived ceramides and special anti-irritants help reduce

redness and skin sensitivity. Safe for rosacea. Non-acnegenic and non-

comedogenic. Does not contain fragrance, alcohol, dyes, colorants or

parabens. Tested and safe for sensitive skin and those affected by

rosacea.

Anyone try this yet?

I hope the Super City Block works well for you.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Merle Norman has a new moisturizer for sensitive skin -- even

> specifies for rosacea. No spf, and supposedly free of all

> ingredients known to be harsh. They didn't have samples, but

> maintain they stand by all their products.

Thanks, Jean! I'm not familiar with that brand. I assume you mean

this product (off their Web site www.merlenorman.com). I can't find a

list of ingredients or pricing, and the product is sold through

franchises:

LUXIVA® Delicate Balance

For all skin types.

Lightweight, oil-free moisturizer specifically formulated for

sensitive skin. Marine-derived extracts help soothe and calm skin,

while plant-derived ceramides and special anti-irritants help reduce

redness and skin sensitivity. Safe for rosacea. Non-acnegenic and non-

comedogenic. Does not contain fragrance, alcohol, dyes, colorants or

parabens. Tested and safe for sensitive skin and those affected by

rosacea.

Anyone try this yet?

I hope the Super City Block works well for you.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Merle Norman has a new moisturizer for sensitive skin -- even

> specifies for rosacea. No spf, and supposedly free of all

> ingredients known to be harsh. They didn't have samples, but

> maintain they stand by all their products.

Thanks, Jean! I'm not familiar with that brand. I assume you mean

this product (off their Web site www.merlenorman.com). I can't find a

list of ingredients or pricing, and the product is sold through

franchises:

LUXIVA® Delicate Balance

For all skin types.

Lightweight, oil-free moisturizer specifically formulated for

sensitive skin. Marine-derived extracts help soothe and calm skin,

while plant-derived ceramides and special anti-irritants help reduce

redness and skin sensitivity. Safe for rosacea. Non-acnegenic and non-

comedogenic. Does not contain fragrance, alcohol, dyes, colorants or

parabens. Tested and safe for sensitive skin and those affected by

rosacea.

Anyone try this yet?

I hope the Super City Block works well for you.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

On Saturday, 13 July 2002, at 11:25:55 [GMT +0000] you wrote:

C> Publicly posting email that was sent to you privately is considered beyond

C> rude, even unacceptable on any other list that I am on.

I don't believe that this is the general case. What is rude is when you

want to copy a heated email to the group and say `look what they said to

me' this will contribute to getting you banned - especially for the

trouble makers in our group who troll and then get all righteous.

Marjorie has said that she doesn't want to carry out email conversations

between individuals, but rather use the public nature of replying to the

group. This choice is fine and her politeness in anonymising posts is also

probably the right thing to do.

cheers,

davidp.

--

Pascoe, mailto:dp@..., Western Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

On Saturday, 13 July 2002, at 11:25:55 [GMT +0000] you wrote:

C> Publicly posting email that was sent to you privately is considered beyond

C> rude, even unacceptable on any other list that I am on.

I don't believe that this is the general case. What is rude is when you

want to copy a heated email to the group and say `look what they said to

me' this will contribute to getting you banned - especially for the

trouble makers in our group who troll and then get all righteous.

Marjorie has said that she doesn't want to carry out email conversations

between individuals, but rather use the public nature of replying to the

group. This choice is fine and her politeness in anonymising posts is also

probably the right thing to do.

cheers,

davidp.

--

Pascoe, mailto:dp@..., Western Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Comments below...

Pascoe wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> On Saturday, 13 July 2002, at 11:25:55 [GMT +0000] you wrote:

> C> Publicly posting email that was sent to you privately is considered beyond

> C> rude, even unacceptable on any other list that I am on.

>

> I don't believe that this is the general case. What is rude is when you

> want to copy a heated email to the group and say `look what they said to

> me' this will contribute to getting you banned - especially for the

> trouble makers in our group who troll and then get all righteous.

I have definitely found it to be the case, . A topic of heated

conversation even on several discussion lists that I am on, though not

since back in the days when internet mailing lists/mail was a newer

thing. It's a privacy and courtesy issue that I have found to be the

case on every mailing list I am on, except this one actually.

Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

obviously meant to be private.

I agree that copying an email to a list simply to gather support against

someone is unacceptable, of course. As far as your comment/perception

that there are people in the group that troll around and make

trouble...I

am not really sure what you mean...perhaps this would fall under the

" eye of the beholder " category?

thanks,

> Marjorie has said that she doesn't want to carry out email conversations

> between individuals, but rather use the public nature of replying to the

> group. This choice is fine and her politeness in anonymising posts is also

> probably the right thing to do.

>

> cheers,

> davidp.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Comments below...

Pascoe wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> On Saturday, 13 July 2002, at 11:25:55 [GMT +0000] you wrote:

> C> Publicly posting email that was sent to you privately is considered beyond

> C> rude, even unacceptable on any other list that I am on.

>

> I don't believe that this is the general case. What is rude is when you

> want to copy a heated email to the group and say `look what they said to

> me' this will contribute to getting you banned - especially for the

> trouble makers in our group who troll and then get all righteous.

I have definitely found it to be the case, . A topic of heated

conversation even on several discussion lists that I am on, though not

since back in the days when internet mailing lists/mail was a newer

thing. It's a privacy and courtesy issue that I have found to be the

case on every mailing list I am on, except this one actually.

Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

obviously meant to be private.

I agree that copying an email to a list simply to gather support against

someone is unacceptable, of course. As far as your comment/perception

that there are people in the group that troll around and make

trouble...I

am not really sure what you mean...perhaps this would fall under the

" eye of the beholder " category?

thanks,

> Marjorie has said that she doesn't want to carry out email conversations

> between individuals, but rather use the public nature of replying to the

> group. This choice is fine and her politeness in anonymising posts is also

> probably the right thing to do.

>

> cheers,

> davidp.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Comments below...

Pascoe wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> On Saturday, 13 July 2002, at 11:25:55 [GMT +0000] you wrote:

> C> Publicly posting email that was sent to you privately is considered beyond

> C> rude, even unacceptable on any other list that I am on.

>

> I don't believe that this is the general case. What is rude is when you

> want to copy a heated email to the group and say `look what they said to

> me' this will contribute to getting you banned - especially for the

> trouble makers in our group who troll and then get all righteous.

I have definitely found it to be the case, . A topic of heated

conversation even on several discussion lists that I am on, though not

since back in the days when internet mailing lists/mail was a newer

thing. It's a privacy and courtesy issue that I have found to be the

case on every mailing list I am on, except this one actually.

Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

obviously meant to be private.

I agree that copying an email to a list simply to gather support against

someone is unacceptable, of course. As far as your comment/perception

that there are people in the group that troll around and make

trouble...I

am not really sure what you mean...perhaps this would fall under the

" eye of the beholder " category?

thanks,

> Marjorie has said that she doesn't want to carry out email conversations

> between individuals, but rather use the public nature of replying to the

> group. This choice is fine and her politeness in anonymising posts is also

> probably the right thing to do.

>

> cheers,

> davidp.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Comments below...

Pascoe wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> On Saturday, 13 July 2002, at 11:25:55 [GMT +0000] you wrote:

> C> Publicly posting email that was sent to you privately is considered beyond

> C> rude, even unacceptable on any other list that I am on.

>

> I don't believe that this is the general case. What is rude is when you

> want to copy a heated email to the group and say `look what they said to

> me' this will contribute to getting you banned - especially for the

> trouble makers in our group who troll and then get all righteous.

I have definitely found it to be the case, . A topic of heated

conversation even on several discussion lists that I am on, though not

since back in the days when internet mailing lists/mail was a newer

thing. It's a privacy and courtesy issue that I have found to be the

case on every mailing list I am on, except this one actually.

Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

obviously meant to be private.

I agree that copying an email to a list simply to gather support against

someone is unacceptable, of course. As far as your comment/perception

that there are people in the group that troll around and make

trouble...I

am not really sure what you mean...perhaps this would fall under the

" eye of the beholder " category?

thanks,

> Marjorie has said that she doesn't want to carry out email conversations

> between individuals, but rather use the public nature of replying to the

> group. This choice is fine and her politeness in anonymising posts is also

> probably the right thing to do.

>

> cheers,

> davidp.

[Guest guest]

The only problem with that statement is that is seems with this list 90% of

the time you can NOT post to the list you are forced to email a response. I

for one am not all that bright when it comes to message boards and prefer the

way the other lists are run giving me an option to post to the board. If I

email someone and you want to post it please do - I don't have the time or IQ

to figure it out how to get it done without an active " reply ALL " button.

In a message dated 7/14/2002 6:10:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

carriei@... writes:

> Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

> have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

> and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

> to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

> it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

> obviously meant to be private.

>

[Guest guest]

The only problem with that statement is that is seems with this list 90% of

the time you can NOT post to the list you are forced to email a response. I

for one am not all that bright when it comes to message boards and prefer the

way the other lists are run giving me an option to post to the board. If I

email someone and you want to post it please do - I don't have the time or IQ

to figure it out how to get it done without an active " reply ALL " button.

In a message dated 7/14/2002 6:10:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

carriei@... writes:

> Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

> have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

> and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

> to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

> it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

> obviously meant to be private.

>

[Guest guest]

Woody,

It doesn't take a high IQ.....if you are responding to a message directly

from the Yahoo site all you do select the " To: " address from the pull down

menu. As it is now D. Pascoe has it set up to default to the individual

sender, but if you want to send the message to the board then select the

rosacea support group address.

could change the default setting so that it defaults to the cea

group address instead of the individual sender. However I must say I find it

very strange that only one or two people on this group seem to have this

very frequent " need to re-post messages " problem...

Hth,

carrie

on 7/14/02 10:52 AM, woody1046@... at woody1046@... wrote:

> The only problem with that statement is that is seems with this list 90% of

> the time you can NOT post to the list you are forced to email a response. I

> for one am not all that bright when it comes to message boards and prefer the

> way the other lists are run giving me an option to post to the board. If I

> email someone and you want to post it please do - I don't have the time or IQ

> to figure it out how to get it done without an active " reply ALL " button.

>

>

> In a message dated 7/14/2002 6:10:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> carriei@... writes:

>

>

>> Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

>> have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

>> and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

>> to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

>> it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

>> obviously meant to be private.

[Guest guest]

Woody,

It doesn't take a high IQ.....if you are responding to a message directly

from the Yahoo site all you do select the " To: " address from the pull down

menu. As it is now D. Pascoe has it set up to default to the individual

sender, but if you want to send the message to the board then select the

rosacea support group address.

could change the default setting so that it defaults to the cea

group address instead of the individual sender. However I must say I find it

very strange that only one or two people on this group seem to have this

very frequent " need to re-post messages " problem...

Hth,

carrie

on 7/14/02 10:52 AM, woody1046@... at woody1046@... wrote:

> The only problem with that statement is that is seems with this list 90% of

> the time you can NOT post to the list you are forced to email a response. I

> for one am not all that bright when it comes to message boards and prefer the

> way the other lists are run giving me an option to post to the board. If I

> email someone and you want to post it please do - I don't have the time or IQ

> to figure it out how to get it done without an active " reply ALL " button.

>

>

> In a message dated 7/14/2002 6:10:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> carriei@... writes:

>

>

>> Since you bring it up, If someone emails another list member privately I

>> have found that that it is considered " common courtesy " to respect that

>> and keep the communication private. If the the recipient does not want

>> to do private email then s/he need not respond. I personally don't think

>> it's the recipient's business to decide to post publicly an email

>> obviously meant to be private.

[Guest guest]

Maybe that's my problem since I never go on line. I do something AOL calls

flash mail which takes all of 7 seconds on my phone bill then I answer off

line in email. For AOL there is no pulling down the " To: " to for me either.

That's OK anyway - I'm here for the education anyway.

In a message dated 7/14/2002 5:52:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

carriei@... writes:

> It doesn't take a high IQ.....if you are responding to a message directly

> from the Yahoo site all you do select the " To: " address from the pull down

> menu. As it is now D. Pascoe has it set up to default to the individual

> sender, but if you want to send the message to the board then select the

> rosacea support group address.

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe that's my problem since I never go on line. I do something AOL calls

flash mail which takes all of 7 seconds on my phone bill then I answer off

line in email. For AOL there is no pulling down the " To: " to for me either.

That's OK anyway - I'm here for the education anyway.

In a message dated 7/14/2002 5:52:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

carriei@... writes:

> It doesn't take a high IQ.....if you are responding to a message directly

> from the Yahoo site all you do select the " To: " address from the pull down

> menu. As it is now D. Pascoe has it set up to default to the individual

> sender, but if you want to send the message to the board then select the

> rosacea support group address.

>