Re: Gastric Pouch Management

[Guest guest]

> Here is the URL for an excellent discussion of post op gastric pouch

> management. http://www.waynesmith.net/lapband/faq/pouch_management.htm

> It is a little better than Pouch Rules for Dummies.

It's also written by a guy who has not had a RNY or a DS, but a band only. This

man came home from the hospital and whipped up a slice of pizza in the blender

with milk, and bragged to the rest of us about it at a San Diego support group

meeting. His knowledge of the RNY pouch is only as extensive as his experience

with those of us who have one.

~~Lyn G (I know the guy, he looks like a walking ghost)

[Guest guest]

> Here is the URL for an excellent discussion of post op gastric pouch

> management. http://www.waynesmith.net/lapband/faq/pouch_management.htm

> It is a little better than Pouch Rules for Dummies.

It's also written by a guy who has not had a RNY or a DS, but a band only. This

man came home from the hospital and whipped up a slice of pizza in the blender

with milk, and bragged to the rest of us about it at a San Diego support group

meeting. His knowledge of the RNY pouch is only as extensive as his experience

with those of us who have one.

~~Lyn G (I know the guy, he looks like a walking ghost)

[Guest guest]

> > > Here is the URL for an excellent discussion of post op gastric pouch

> > > management. http://www.waynesmith.net/lapband/faq/pouch_management.htm

> > > It is a little better than Pouch Rules for Dummies.

I forgot to mention, Wayne refers to RNY, DS, and any other type of

re-arrangement of the digestive tract as " mutilation " and " disfigurement. "

The pouch management article was not written by Wayne, but it does fail to take

into account any emotional response to food. (He has always discounted this

among RNY's and DS's, saying the reason for our failure to keep weight off was

that we had the wrong surgery. )

" Satiety " is only good if one is not inclined to eat when one is not hungry. For

most of us, this didn't work pre-op, and doesn't work post-op. It's not about

hunger, it's not about the food. It's about eating as a response to stress,

eating as a response to depression, to loneliness, to any number of factors.

It's returning to the old stand-by, the best friend food always was.

Pouch management is easy. Head management is something else again.

~~ Lyn

[Guest guest]

> > > Here is the URL for an excellent discussion of post op gastric pouch

> > > management. http://www.waynesmith.net/lapband/faq/pouch_management.htm

> > > It is a little better than Pouch Rules for Dummies.

I forgot to mention, Wayne refers to RNY, DS, and any other type of

re-arrangement of the digestive tract as " mutilation " and " disfigurement. "

The pouch management article was not written by Wayne, but it does fail to take

into account any emotional response to food. (He has always discounted this

among RNY's and DS's, saying the reason for our failure to keep weight off was

that we had the wrong surgery. )

" Satiety " is only good if one is not inclined to eat when one is not hungry. For

most of us, this didn't work pre-op, and doesn't work post-op. It's not about

hunger, it's not about the food. It's about eating as a response to stress,

eating as a response to depression, to loneliness, to any number of factors.

It's returning to the old stand-by, the best friend food always was.

Pouch management is easy. Head management is something else again.

~~ Lyn

[Guest guest]

If I only ate upon emptiness vs by the clock or in social situations, this

might work.

It works on the premise that " if you just keep the pigs full, they'll stop

eating like pigs " , which I find just a TEENSY bit offensive

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Re: Gastric Pouch Management

>

> > > > Here is the URL for an excellent discussion of post op gastric pouch

> > > > management.

http://www.waynesmith.net/lapband/faq/pouch_management.htm

> > > > It is a little better than Pouch Rules for Dummies.

>

> I forgot to mention, Wayne refers to RNY, DS, and any other type of

re-arrangement of the digestive tract as " mutilation " and " disfigurement. "

>

> The pouch management article was not written by Wayne, but it does fail to

take into account any emotional response to food. (He has always discounted

this among RNY's and DS's, saying the reason for our failure to keep weight

off was that we had the wrong surgery. )

>

> " Satiety " is only good if one is not inclined to eat when one is not

hungry. For most of us, this didn't work pre-op, and doesn't work post-op.

It's not about hunger, it's not about the food. It's about eating as a

response to stress, eating as a response to depression, to loneliness, to

any number of factors. It's returning to the old stand-by, the best friend

food always was.

>

> Pouch management is easy. Head management is something else again.

>

> ~~ Lyn

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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[Guest guest]

If I only ate upon emptiness vs by the clock or in social situations, this

might work.

It works on the premise that " if you just keep the pigs full, they'll stop

eating like pigs " , which I find just a TEENSY bit offensive

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: Gastric Pouch Management

>

> > > > Here is the URL for an excellent discussion of post op gastric pouch

> > > > management.

http://www.waynesmith.net/lapband/faq/pouch_management.htm

> > > > It is a little better than Pouch Rules for Dummies.

>

> I forgot to mention, Wayne refers to RNY, DS, and any other type of

re-arrangement of the digestive tract as " mutilation " and " disfigurement. "

>

> The pouch management article was not written by Wayne, but it does fail to

take into account any emotional response to food. (He has always discounted

this among RNY's and DS's, saying the reason for our failure to keep weight

off was that we had the wrong surgery. )

>

> " Satiety " is only good if one is not inclined to eat when one is not

hungry. For most of us, this didn't work pre-op, and doesn't work post-op.

It's not about hunger, it's not about the food. It's about eating as a

response to stress, eating as a response to depression, to loneliness, to

any number of factors. It's returning to the old stand-by, the best friend

food always was.

>

> Pouch management is easy. Head management is something else again.

>

> ~~ Lyn

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:35:35 GMT writes:

> Pouch management is easy. Head management is something else again.

>

> ~~ Lyn

Boy did that statement hit home. I have always believed that most of my

obesity was a head thing. It was not the food calling my name. It

wasn't lack of willpower. I often ate without even thinking. I " think "

that makes it a head thing at least for me.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:35:35 GMT writes:

> Pouch management is easy. Head management is something else again.

>

> ~~ Lyn

Boy did that statement hit home. I have always believed that most of my

obesity was a head thing. It was not the food calling my name. It

wasn't lack of willpower. I often ate without even thinking. I " think "

that makes it a head thing at least for me.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

[Guest guest]

I find that idea offensive, too, ! I'm so glad you said that,

because I could never quite put my finger on what bothered me about

these kinds of " pouch rules. " Now I know!

And wow, I had NO idea Wayne had THAT kind of attitude toward

the other surgeries. " Disfigurement " ?!? Yeesh--now that REALLY

offends me!

Sharon

> If I only ate upon emptiness vs by the clock or in social

> situations, this might work.

>

> It works on the premise that " if you just keep the pigs full,

> they'll stop eating like pigs " , which I find just a TEENSY bit

> offensive

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

[Guest guest]

I find that idea offensive, too, ! I'm so glad you said that,

because I could never quite put my finger on what bothered me about

these kinds of " pouch rules. " Now I know!

And wow, I had NO idea Wayne had THAT kind of attitude toward

the other surgeries. " Disfigurement " ?!? Yeesh--now that REALLY

offends me!

Sharon

> If I only ate upon emptiness vs by the clock or in social

> situations, this might work.

>

> It works on the premise that " if you just keep the pigs full,

> they'll stop eating like pigs " , which I find just a TEENSY bit

> offensive

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

[Guest guest]

Wow--I don't blame you for being ticked off! It ticks me off, too,

just to hear about it!

Sharon

> He would never say such things on line, where he has a pretty loyal

following, but he had no problem saying it to us in person when we

were all in San Diego. It ticked me off then, and every time I hear

about him, it still does.

>

> ~~Lyn

[Guest guest]

Wow--I don't blame you for being ticked off! It ticks me off, too,

just to hear about it!

Sharon

> He would never say such things on line, where he has a pretty loyal

following, but he had no problem saying it to us in person when we

were all in San Diego. It ticked me off then, and every time I hear

about him, it still does.

>

> ~~Lyn

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:57:40 -0800 " Butterflye "

writes:

> no food is off-limits if you can blend it to a juice -- eeeeuuuuwwww).

>

> ~~ Lyn

Hmmmmm, I guarantee you that there are some foods that are totally yucky

if blended to juice in a blender. Having had jaw surgery to correct a

jaw bone deformity, I certainly know about how to blend things small

enough to go thru a straw and wires. Spaghetti does NOT taste good

blended. Nor do most pasta's. Definite eeeeuuuuwwwws. So totally

yucky. (Notice wrinkled up nose, tongue sticking out of mouth, gag

reflex look on face.) (

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:57:40 -0800 " Butterflye "

writes:

> no food is off-limits if you can blend it to a juice -- eeeeuuuuwwww).

>

> ~~ Lyn

Hmmmmm, I guarantee you that there are some foods that are totally yucky

if blended to juice in a blender. Having had jaw surgery to correct a

jaw bone deformity, I certainly know about how to blend things small

enough to go thru a straw and wires. Spaghetti does NOT taste good

blended. Nor do most pasta's. Definite eeeeuuuuwwwws. So totally

yucky. (Notice wrinkled up nose, tongue sticking out of mouth, gag

reflex look on face.) (

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce