Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 staceyiseman@... wrote: p.s. after getting my tonsils out a couple days ago being on anti biotics having a fever of 99.4 everyday not eating and sucking on ice chips my skin has never looked better anyone? anyone? anyone? ------------------------------------------ Last week I had an awful 24-hour stomach flu: high fever, couldn't eat a thing (nothing but water & apple juice), dizzy every time I tried to get out of bed, not to mention the body's unpleasant methods of purging itself... yuck! But... for two days afterwards my face was baby-soft, smooth, pale, not a single flake or bump. It was truly amazing... my skin hasn't been that " normal " in years. The getting sick part was no fun, but it was encouraging to see how quickly and thoroughly my skin can abandon this rosacea business when it wants to! Shirley --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 staceyiseman@... wrote: p.s. after getting my tonsils out a couple days ago being on anti biotics having a fever of 99.4 everyday not eating and sucking on ice chips my skin has never looked better anyone? anyone? anyone? ------------------------------------------ Last week I had an awful 24-hour stomach flu: high fever, couldn't eat a thing (nothing but water & apple juice), dizzy every time I tried to get out of bed, not to mention the body's unpleasant methods of purging itself... yuck! But... for two days afterwards my face was baby-soft, smooth, pale, not a single flake or bump. It was truly amazing... my skin hasn't been that " normal " in years. The getting sick part was no fun, but it was encouraging to see how quickly and thoroughly my skin can abandon this rosacea business when it wants to! Shirley --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 <<After all, if papules can appear so quickly with a flush, perhaps they can disappear as quickly with an anti-flush? >> ah yes, i am the anti-flush. (sounds evil. somewhere in the nabe of anti-christ, don't it?) despite the fact that my blood pressure was sky high after the tonsillectomy my face was whiter than the sheets against which i lay. perhaps the opiates? so, let's all become morphine addicts. we'll all be pale, smooth skin and so desperately poetic looking .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 <<After all, if papules can appear so quickly with a flush, perhaps they can disappear as quickly with an anti-flush? >> ah yes, i am the anti-flush. (sounds evil. somewhere in the nabe of anti-christ, don't it?) despite the fact that my blood pressure was sky high after the tonsillectomy my face was whiter than the sheets against which i lay. perhaps the opiates? so, let's all become morphine addicts. we'll all be pale, smooth skin and so desperately poetic looking .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 , Stacey, Shirley and everyone else who made the observation that while they may feel their worst, they look (as Billy Crystal might say) maaavolous. <g> I think this is a fascinating observation. We know for a fact that viral syndromes and physiologic reaction from a severe cuts are accompanied by systemic vasodilation which resulting in low blood pressure, which evokes a compensatory vasoconstriction that draws blood away from other important places to the central organs where blood flow needs to be preserved. The pale face and lightheadedness are explained by these mechanisms. I hypothesize that the pale face representing this central face vasoconstriction is in fact an anti-flare that not only takes away the blush/flush of rosacea, but also decreases the papules and other reversible stigmata. In support of this, let me tell you all about an interesting experience last week: I ate a very spicy meal, the spiciest I ever had, so spicy that my eyes teared and my nose ran. I suspected those reactions were the result of central face vasodilation, so although my face felt cool I slipped into the bathroom to check out my face. (always the physician, and always the rosacean <g>) My face was bright red, but what really surprised me was the sudden emergence of papules across both cheeks. This was a clear rosacea flare, not just a flush, and I knew the papules was all the result of increased blood flow to the face. (As an aside, does anyone know the mechanism behind why spicy food causes flushing?) Anyway, my flush dissipated within several hours, but the bumps remained. (It's hard to know exactly why, since I was also pre- menstrual.) But one fact remains: before the meal my face was virtually bump-free, and it was the sudden vasodilation of my central face that resulted in a near-immediate development of an impressive number of papules. So maybe...maybe we can interprete 's and Stacey's and Shirley's experiences as an anti-flare and understand them in relation to significant decreased blood flow to the face (a normal compensatory reaction to direct systemic vasodilation, whether caused by a virus or vasovagal reaction to a severe cut). After all, if papules can appear so quickly with a flush, perhaps they can disappear as quickly with an anti-flush? Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > The getting sick part was no fun, but it was > > > > encouraging to see how quickly and thoroughly my skin can abandon this > > > > rosacea business when it wants to! > > > Last December, I slashed my left palm whilst skinning a deer. I managed to > cut 6 veins, an I got about 15 stitches altogether (the doc lost count of > the internal stitches). When I was leaving the emergency room/reception, > the nurse commented, " you were really pale when you came in, but you seem to > have regained you color! " > > So, I don't know what is normal anymore... > > sigh. > > Thus I can't recommend a deep cut (or a viral infection) to induce shock for > a pale complexion! > > - in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 , Stacey, Shirley and everyone else who made the observation that while they may feel their worst, they look (as Billy Crystal might say) maaavolous. <g> I think this is a fascinating observation. We know for a fact that viral syndromes and physiologic reaction from a severe cuts are accompanied by systemic vasodilation which resulting in low blood pressure, which evokes a compensatory vasoconstriction that draws blood away from other important places to the central organs where blood flow needs to be preserved. The pale face and lightheadedness are explained by these mechanisms. I hypothesize that the pale face representing this central face vasoconstriction is in fact an anti-flare that not only takes away the blush/flush of rosacea, but also decreases the papules and other reversible stigmata. In support of this, let me tell you all about an interesting experience last week: I ate a very spicy meal, the spiciest I ever had, so spicy that my eyes teared and my nose ran. I suspected those reactions were the result of central face vasodilation, so although my face felt cool I slipped into the bathroom to check out my face. (always the physician, and always the rosacean <g>) My face was bright red, but what really surprised me was the sudden emergence of papules across both cheeks. This was a clear rosacea flare, not just a flush, and I knew the papules was all the result of increased blood flow to the face. (As an aside, does anyone know the mechanism behind why spicy food causes flushing?) Anyway, my flush dissipated within several hours, but the bumps remained. (It's hard to know exactly why, since I was also pre- menstrual.) But one fact remains: before the meal my face was virtually bump-free, and it was the sudden vasodilation of my central face that resulted in a near-immediate development of an impressive number of papules. So maybe...maybe we can interprete 's and Stacey's and Shirley's experiences as an anti-flare and understand them in relation to significant decreased blood flow to the face (a normal compensatory reaction to direct systemic vasodilation, whether caused by a virus or vasovagal reaction to a severe cut). After all, if papules can appear so quickly with a flush, perhaps they can disappear as quickly with an anti-flush? Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > The getting sick part was no fun, but it was > > > > encouraging to see how quickly and thoroughly my skin can abandon this > > > > rosacea business when it wants to! > > > Last December, I slashed my left palm whilst skinning a deer. I managed to > cut 6 veins, an I got about 15 stitches altogether (the doc lost count of > the internal stitches). When I was leaving the emergency room/reception, > the nurse commented, " you were really pale when you came in, but you seem to > have regained you color! " > > So, I don't know what is normal anymore... > > sigh. > > Thus I can't recommend a deep cut (or a viral infection) to induce shock for > a pale complexion! > > - in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 almost ditto for me when I had sinus surgery I don't feel good, but I look good (was: silicone barrier creme) > > staceyiseman@... wrote: > > > p.s. after getting my tonsils out a couple days ago > being on anti biotics > having a fever of 99.4 everyday > not eating > and > sucking on ice chips > my skin has never looked better > anyone? > anyone? > anyone? > > ------------------------------------------ > > Last week I had an awful 24-hour stomach flu: > > high fever, couldn't eat a thing (nothing but water & apple juice), > > dizzy every time I tried to get out of bed, not to mention the body's > > unpleasant methods of purging itself... yuck! > > But... for two days afterwards my face was baby-soft, smooth, pale, > > not a single flake or bump. It was truly amazing... my skin hasn't been > > that " normal " in years. The getting sick part was no fun, but it was > > encouraging to see how quickly and thoroughly my skin can abandon this > > rosacea business when it wants to! > > > > Shirley > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 almost ditto for me when I had sinus surgery I don't feel good, but I look good (was: silicone barrier creme) > > staceyiseman@... wrote: > > > p.s. after getting my tonsils out a couple days ago > being on anti biotics > having a fever of 99.4 everyday > not eating > and > sucking on ice chips > my skin has never looked better > anyone? > anyone? > anyone? > > ------------------------------------------ > > Last week I had an awful 24-hour stomach flu: > > high fever, couldn't eat a thing (nothing but water & apple juice), > > dizzy every time I tried to get out of bed, not to mention the body's > > unpleasant methods of purging itself... yuck! > > But... for two days afterwards my face was baby-soft, smooth, pale, > > not a single flake or bump. It was truly amazing... my skin hasn't been > > that " normal " in years. The getting sick part was no fun, but it was > > encouraging to see how quickly and thoroughly my skin can abandon this > > rosacea business when it wants to! > > > > Shirley > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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