How to do omegas and vit. E if you're doing a soy-free diet?????

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Thanks to the few of you who responded with great thoughts to my

introductory email. I've been reading thru all the historical posts

about omegas and vitamin E. We've had Owen on, first, CLO and then NN

Omega 3-6-9 in liquid form. I now realize that 1 tsp. isn't giving the

dosage that some of you are using (EPA, DHA and GLA.) But now I'm

wondering how in the world to even do this if I'm doing GF/CF/SF diet?

The omega oil has vitamin E derived from soybean oil AND the vitamin E

supplements are soybean oil derived.

Any thoughts?

Thanks so much!

Pearson

mom of Owen, 33 months

[Guest guest]

Pharmax brand fish oils are soy free, and very pure. There are

several to choose from - google Pharmax Fish Oil and see what comes

up.

Don't know about the soy free E - we weren't " big responders " so I

didn't really look around for lots of alternatives.

Stephanee

>

> Hi All,

> Thanks to the few of you who responded with great thoughts to my

> introductory email. I've been reading thru all the historical

posts

> about omegas and vitamin E. We've had Owen on, first, CLO and then

NN

> Omega 3-6-9 in liquid form. I now realize that 1 tsp. isn't giving

the

> dosage that some of you are using (EPA, DHA and GLA.) But now I'm

> wondering how in the world to even do this if I'm doing GF/CF/SF

diet?

> The omega oil has vitamin E derived from soybean oil AND the

vitamin E

> supplements are soybean oil derived.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks so much!

> Pearson

> mom of Owen, 33 months

>

[Guest guest]

Here's an archive on this:

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids ....contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect. May want to read more from

this archive. Please try the formula for those that are curious and

let us know what you see (talk about regression!)

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I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

Re: omega without soy? vit e without soy?

Hi -don't have a suggestion for an alternative -but hope this

archive on soy helps!

Here are two reasons why vitamin E

is added to fish oil for those of you searching for " soy free " (or

vitamin E free) fish oil.

1. " The processing and packaging of the fish oil are crucial in

determining its quality. Low quality oils may be quite unstable and

contain significant amounts of mercury, pesticides, and undesirable

oxidation products. High quality oils are stabilized with adequate

amounts of vitamin E and are packaged in individual foil pouches or

other packaging impervious to light and oxygen. "

2. " Supplementing with fish oils has been found to be entirely safe

even for periods as long as 7 years and no significant adverse

effects have been reported in hundreds of clinical trials using as

much as 18 grams/day of fish oils. Fish oil supplementation does,

however, lower blood concentrations of vitamin E so it is a good

idea to take extra vitamin E when adding fish oils to your diet. A

clinical trial carried out by the US Department of Agriculture found

that taking 200 mg/day of synthetic vitamin E (equivalent to about

100 IU of natural alpha-tocopherol) is sufficient to completely

counteract this effect of fish oil supplementation. [74, 75, 77,

78] " http://vvv.com/healthnews/fishoils.html

RE: [ ] Re: ProEFA --?SOY

I've been supplementing my soy allergic 4 year old since last August

without

problems. I guess it depends on the degree of sensitivity, and how

the oil

is processed. -

>

> Hi Colleen and ,

>

> I had just posted this in a recent message

> (quoted from the Nordic Natural's website regarding soy/allergies)

>

> " If a person is sensitive to soy, can they take fish oils that

> contain vitamin E?

>

> Vitamin E is an important addition for fish oil because it helps

> preserve fish oil freshness (along with other important

> manufacturing factors). Fish oils, like all liquid oils, are

subject

> to becoming oxidized, and vitamin E is a very effective and natural

> anti-oxidant (for fish oil and for people!). Most of the time

people

> with sensitivities to soy can consume vitamin E without worry, even

> if it's originally derived from soy. Vitamin E is an oil (a fat-

> soluble vitamin) and, for supplements, is purified to be 100% pure

> vitamin E, no protein components [note: the allergen in a food is

> usually the protein (e.g. gluten in wheat, casein in milk)]. It is

> always a good idea to consult with your healthcare practitioner

> before beginning a supplement regime.

>

>

> What if a person is allergic to fish? Can they ingest fish oil?

>

> Generally yes. Allergens (what people react to) in food are usually

> the protein component of a food (e.g. gluten in wheat, casein in

> milk). Because Nordic Naturals pure fish oils are thoughtfully and

> carefully manufactured (gentle processing, low temperature, clay

> filtered and microdistilled) they are essentially void of protein

> components. As a result, people who react to eating fish can

> generally consume fresh fish oil capsules. It is always a good idea

> to consult with your healthcare practitioner before beginning a

> supplement regime.

> http://www.nordicnaturals.com/direct/faqs.asp

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[Guest guest]

Check your bottle of fish oil for " mixed natural tocopherols " That's

the vitamin E and that's the soy. As I have below the ingredients of

Pharmax fish oil does contain soy and below it explains why -I just

posted a message as to why vitamin E is needed in fish oils too:

Also -the formula is even more important then the dosage -and from

what I see the fish oil formulas from this company are pure Omega 3 -

mainly high DHA (vs EPA which is better for most here) so I'd be

shocked if many saw dramatic surges on this with their child.

Found on google about pharmax fish oil:

" The source of the mixed tocopherols is soy "

One teaspoon (5ml) contains:

1050mg EPA

750mg DHA,

2,250mg total omega-3

25mg mixed tocopherols (vitamin E)

Ingredients: Pure concentrated fish oil (98%) from sardines and

anchovy (no codfish); essential oil of orange; mixed natural

tocopherols. Free of wheat, yeast, gluten, corn, soy*, eggs, dairy,

and artificial colors or flavors.

Read about low oxidation manufacturing process at bottom

*The mixed tocopherols are dissolved in sunflower seed oil. The

source of the mixed tocopherols is soy. It should not give rise to

allergic reactions in individuals who have soy allergy because the

tocopherols are virtually absent of soy proteins.

And from what I just posted

> " If a person is sensitive to soy, can they take fish oils that

> contain vitamin E?

>

> Vitamin E is an important addition for fish oil because it helps

> preserve fish oil freshness (along with other important

> manufacturing factors). Fish oils, like all liquid oils, are

subject

> to becoming oxidized, and vitamin E is a very effective and natural

> anti-oxidant (for fish oil and for people!). Most of the time

people

> with sensitivities to soy can consume vitamin E without worry, even

> if it's originally derived from soy. Vitamin E is an oil (a fat-

> soluble vitamin) and, for supplements, is purified to be 100% pure

> vitamin E, no protein components [note: the allergen in a food is

> usually the protein (e.g. gluten in wheat, casein in milk)]. It is

> always a good idea to consult with your healthcare practitioner

> before beginning a supplement regime.

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[Guest guest]

I just posted a huge archive for new members which has this info in

it. In general you want an omega 3/6 higher in the EPA than the

DHA. The 3 most effective over the years- ProEFA, Efalex and EyeQ.

ProEFA for the US -EyeQ for the UK. Here's some info from the CHERAB

site

http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

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[Guest guest]

, I have read the Late Talker and sometimes believe my child has VA.

kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> wrote: I just posted a huge archive

for new members which has this info in

it. In general you want an omega 3/6 higher in the EPA than the

DHA. The 3 most effective over the years- ProEFA, Efalex and EyeQ.

ProEFA for the US -EyeQ for the UK. Here's some info from the CHERAB

site

http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

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[Guest guest]

It appears that they are as *soy free as possible, based upon their

explaination.

You are right, , formula does matter. However, not *every* child

is going to have dramatic surges with fish oil/E. I don't see much

difference whether we are taking fish oil or not. I've tried several

brands for extended periods of time. I continue to give fish oil to

my children as I know it is good for their brains. We aren't eating

fish and need a good source of Omegas. Our Dr. recommended this

brand. I trust him, he's one of the leading physicians dealing with

developmentally delayed children. His name is Jepson.

In my opinion, newbies should be aware of this. I'm not saying

dramatic surges aren't happening every day, I'm just saying that

there are some children who don't dramatically surge on fish oil/E

and that there are other brands other than Nordic Naturals.

Good day to you.

Stephanee

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> Pharmax fish oil does contain soy and below it explains why -I just

> posted a message as to why vitamin E is needed in fish oils too:

> Also -the formula is even more important then the dosage -and from

> what I see the fish oil formulas from this company are pure Omega

3 -

> mainly high DHA (vs EPA which is better for most here) so I'd be

> shocked if many saw dramatic surges on this with their child.

>

> Found on google about pharmax fish oil:

> " The source of the mixed tocopherols is soy "

>

> One teaspoon (5ml) contains:

> 1050mg EPA

> 750mg DHA,

> 2,250mg total omega-3

> 25mg mixed tocopherols (vitamin E)

> Ingredients: Pure concentrated fish oil (98%) from sardines and

> anchovy (no codfish); essential oil of orange; mixed natural

> tocopherols. Free of wheat, yeast, gluten, corn, soy*, eggs, dairy,

> and artificial colors or flavors.

> Read about low oxidation manufacturing process at bottom

>

> *The mixed tocopherols are dissolved in sunflower seed oil. The

> source of the mixed tocopherols is soy. It should not give rise to

> allergic reactions in individuals who have soy allergy because the

> tocopherols are virtually absent of soy proteins.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the helpful info. I'm going to continue with the

fish oils and add vitamin E regardless of having Owen on a soy-free

diet. At this point, I'm giving him the equivalent of 4 Pro-EFAs and

2 Pro-EPAs, along with 1 gelcap of vitamin E (at 400 IU). Only been

doing it since Sunday and we're not sure if we're seeing a surge. He

had already been on the equivalent of about 2 1/2 ProEPAs for many

months prior and didn't see a surge in language. But now I've bumped

that up and added the EPA, as well as the vitamin E. (I know I

should have staggered the increased supplements, but was anxious to

see if we'd see, I mean " hear " , anything.)

Thanks again!

Pearson