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hello,

what is DAN/NACD ?

THANks

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DAN stands for Defeat Autism Now which is a movement started by

Bernarnd Rimland with ARI (Autism Research Institute). DAN's are a

group of doctor (mostly M.D. and D.O.) that specialized in treating

kids with Autism and related disorders. They practice something

called a Biomedical approach to treating Autism.

You can go to the ARI's website and get a list of DAN doctor in your

area.

Don't know what NACD is.

Hetal

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> hello,

> what is DAN/NACD ?

>

> THANks

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NACD = National Association for Child Development. See my other post

about this or check out their website at www.nacd.org

in NJ

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> hello,

> what is DAN/NACD ?

>

> THANks

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With DAN you could have a highly qualified medical doctor or a social

worker who attended a conference -there are no standards as to who is

good. If I had a child that 'didn't' respond to the basics I

probably would have taken him to a DAN MD (again -not all DANs are

medical doctors) My son like many others however did well on therapy

and fish oils alone (and now with vitamin E)so we never had to go

that route. (DAN and NACD are both expensive and complex)

NACD -this one parent summed it up back in 2002

Dear Kim,

We have limited knowledge with NACD. The program

seemed very good but very expensive. It was also very

demanding and we found we couldn't keep up with it for

our daughter.

Deborah Lea

If I had a choice I'd go with an association school over NACD for our

children if one had the time and money for a special program.

http://www.usm.edu/dubard/

http://www.magnoliaspeechschool.org/general/associationmethod.pdf

And here is info from just one school that uses this approach

http://www.bridgestherapy.com/bridgesnew_files/Page828.htm

Also just found this on NACD -for the few here that are fans -what do

you say about the following?

(expensive is fine if you can afford it -but is it a " quack " approach?)

" NACD and IAHP literature both caution that individual results will

vary. It also implies that if the patient fails to make significant

progress, the parents are to blame. The NACD also embraces other

scientifically questionable practices. Its Web site offers the

following screening test for " food sensitivities " :

Check the following list. If three or more apply to your child, food

sensitivity may be a problem:

Sometimes congested

History of ear infections

Behavior: frequent ups and downs

Poor attention span at times

Night or morning coughing spells

Variable hearing, sometimes good, sometimes poor

Post-nasal drip

Headaches

Periods of restlessness

Although the problems listed above undoubtedly have a number of

possible causes, food sensitivities must be considered as one of the

most likely [9].

Food sensitivties have no proven relationship to behavior, and most

of the above symptoms are not related to food sensitivity. The NACD

has also offered a consultation with an " orthomolecular physician "

and a " holistic nutritionist. " Such practitioners are clearly outside

of the scientific mainstream. "

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/patterning.html

If the basics don't work (therapy -fish oils and vitamin E) then I

understand why some go to costly and complex extremes. Fortunately

most here have children that respond to the simple basics. (not that

therapy is cheap -but way cheaper!)

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[Guest guest]

The Autism Research Institiute Separates Practitioner Lists. As

listed the doctors are separated from nutritionists, etc. I can't

recall but I do not think social workers are listed.

As for NACD. I spent $1200 on lest than 3 months of speech therapy

last year with a good therapist who noted my son's congestion was

part of his issues. Turns out that was a food sensitivity. Still, no

big gains with her as none of us knew the cause then. NACD will cost

a little over $2000 for the entire year for two kids with a home

therapy program for my speech kid and a homeschool program for both.

I can't afford to not do it.

There are no guarantees with anything.

There are food/behavior sudies. There is literature on this and has

been...for a good long time. Not DAN stuff but mainstream stuff.

Hypoglycemia, diabetes, etc...food and behavior involved there. I am

really not sure what the point is here other to discredit things

untried by some.

Are these the answers for everyone, no. There is no panacea, just a

couple of good ideas. NACD is therapy. They do not financially gain

from allergy testing. They do not use or endorse DANs so I never

thought I'd see this coming.

>

> With DAN you could have a highly qualified medical doctor or a

social

> worker who attended a conference -there are no standards as to who

is

> good. If I had a child that 'didn't' respond to the basics I

> probably would have taken him to a DAN MD (again -not all DANs are

> medical doctors) My son like many others however did well on

therapy

> and fish oils alone (and now with vitamin E)so we never had to go

> that route. (DAN and NACD are both expensive and complex)

>

> NACD -this one parent summed it up back in 2002

> Dear Kim,

> We have limited knowledge with NACD. The program

> seemed very good but very expensive. It was also very

> demanding and we found we couldn't keep up with it for

> our daughter.

> Deborah Lea

>

> If I had a choice I'd go with an association school over NACD for

our

> children if one had the time and money for a special program.

> http://www.usm.edu/dubard/

> http://www.magnoliaspeechschool.org/general/associationmethod.pdf

> And here is info from just one school that uses this approach

> http://www.bridgestherapy.com/bridgesnew_files/Page828.htm

>

> Also just found this on NACD -for the few here that are fans -what

do

> you say about the following?

> (expensive is fine if you can afford it -but is it a " quack "

approach?)

>

> " NACD and IAHP literature both caution that individual results will

> vary. It also implies that if the patient fails to make significant

> progress, the parents are to blame. The NACD also embraces other

> scientifically questionable practices. Its Web site offers the

> following screening test for " food sensitivities " :

>

> Check the following list. If three or more apply to your child, food

> sensitivity may be a problem:

>

> Sometimes congested

> History of ear infections

> Behavior: frequent ups and downs

> Poor attention span at times

> Night or morning coughing spells

> Variable hearing, sometimes good, sometimes poor

> Post-nasal drip

> Headaches

> Periods of restlessness

> Although the problems listed above undoubtedly have a number of

> possible causes, food sensitivities must be considered as one of the

> most likely [9].

>

>

> Food sensitivties have no proven relationship to behavior, and most

> of the above symptoms are not related to food sensitivity. The NACD

> has also offered a consultation with an " orthomolecular physician "

> and a " holistic nutritionist. " Such practitioners are clearly

outside

> of the scientific mainstream. "

> http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/patterning.html

>

> If the basics don't work (therapy -fish oils and vitamin E) then I

> understand why some go to costly and complex extremes. Fortunately

> most here have children that respond to the simple basics. (not that

> therapy is cheap -but way cheaper!)

>

> =====

>

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I actually beg to differ here with regards to the costs on NACD. NACD is

probably the cheapest therapy you will ever find. I suppose it would be

considered expensive if you compared it with 'free' therapy but if you need to

purchase therapy, this is definately a cheap/price conscious route. Remember,

NACD is all non-profit!

It is my attitidude that we should exhaust all free sources of therapy first!

But that often runs out or is deficient. My son only had one 1 hour of therapy

for 14 week increments per year! That is indeed atrocious! He also aged out of

OT in grade 2 and aged out of speech therapy in grade 6.

So...... if you're not getting enough therapy, you need to go the private

route. Period. Especially if your child has global dyspraxia where so many

different systems are affected and compromised. Our children do not 'grow' out

of dyspraxia and it only gets worse with time. But if you get really good and

extensive therapy (the younger the better), your child can overcome dyspraxia to

a great degreee if not completely. (I believe completely but since we have not

'quite' done it yet, cannot make that claim).

With regards to cost of NACD program....... I paid $950 for our first evaluation

and then I pay $117 per month and all of the evaluations therafter are included.

You get a new evaluation every three months. I pay $100 extra at evaluation

time to get a specialized oral-motor program designed (I did not do this until

Mark had 'aged-out' of free speech therapy).

If you compare this to the $150 per hour that many therapists charge..... it is

much, much cheaper to go the NACD route! If your child has a wide variety of

issues beyond just OT such as Auditory processing, visual processing, etc. then

it is really great because NACD will give you vision exercises in the same vein

as a Vision therapist as well as addressing all of the academic, behavioural and

OT concerns!

The Downside is..... it is a tremendous amount of work and you truly need to be

dedicated to it. Our early programs ran up to 3 hours a day long.....ouch!

Thank goodness our programs are smaller now. But of course, Mark is so much

better in the 1.5 years we have been doing program.

The upside is: NACD is relatively affordable and it works!

With regards to a DAN doctor..... we don't go to a DAN doctor but we do go to an

Environmental specialist who ran extensive metabolic profiles. We put Mark on

an individually designed set of vitamins and began chelation with regards to his

heavy metal toxicity. While chelation is certainly not for everybody nor will

it help everybody, it certainly has been working wonders with my sons

innattentive behaviours and his maturity levels. He is much more plugged in now

and connected to the world.

I do believe that one can go ahead and begin to supplement their children

without a doctor but running the metabolic tests really does take the guesswork

out of the equasion.

I supplemented Mark for a good 6 or 7 months on my own before doing any type of

testing. Supplements are generally very safe and effective. They have a lot of

anti-inflamatory properties as well and one of the things our children have is

lots of inflamation throughout their systems.

I would definately start with the ProEfa and the Vitamin E as they are items

that have really worked for so many of the moms on this board. Note that with

the fish oils, one often has to wait for a period of time to see results

particularly if the childs stores of EFA are extremely low. It can take a while

to build it up in the system. With regards to the vitamin E, often people see

results immediately. I did when I finally got the right mix of vitamin E into

my son's system.

Good luck and do explore all of the options out there. But, remember that this

is a slow process and be patient with yourself and your child. Research is good

and the better informed you become as to all of the information out there, the

more confident your decisions will be.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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With DAN you could have a highly qualified medical doctor or a social

worker who attended a conference -there are no standards as to who is

good. If I had a child that 'didn't' respond to the basics I

probably would have taken him to a DAN MD (again -not all DANs are

medical doctors) My son like many others however did well on therapy

and fish oils alone (and now with vitamin E)so we never had to go

that route. (DAN and NACD are both expensive and complex)

NACD -this one parent summed it up back in 2002

Dear Kim,

We have limited knowledge with NACD. The program

seemed very good but very expensive. It was also very

demanding and we found we couldn't keep up with it for

our daughter.

Deborah Lea

If I had a choice I'd go with an association school over NACD for our

children if one had the time and money for a special program.

http://www.usm.edu/dubard/

http://www.magnoliaspeechschool.org/general/associationmethod.pdf

And here is info from just one school that uses this approach

http://www.bridgestherapy.com/bridgesnew_files/Page828.htm

Also just found this on NACD -for the few here that are fans -what do

you say about the following?

(expensive is fine if you can afford it -but is it a " quack " approach?)

" NACD and IAHP literature both caution that individual results will

vary. It also implies that if the patient fails to make significant

progress, the parents are to blame. The NACD also embraces other

scientifically questionable practices. Its Web site offers the

following screening test for " food sensitivities " :

Check the following list. If three or more apply to your child, food

sensitivity may be a problem:

Sometimes congested

History of ear infections

Behavior: frequent ups and downs

Poor attention span at times

Night or morning coughing spells

Variable hearing, sometimes good, sometimes poor

Post-nasal drip

Headaches

Periods of restlessness

Although the problems listed above undoubtedly have a number of

possible causes, food sensitivities must be considered as one of the

most likely [9].

Food sensitivties have no proven relationship to behavior, and most

of the above symptoms are not related to food sensitivity. The NACD

has also offered a consultation with an " orthomolecular physician "

and a " holistic nutritionist. " Such practitioners are clearly outside

of the scientific mainstream. "

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/patterning.html

If the basics don't work (therapy -fish oils and vitamin E) then I

understand why some go to costly and complex extremes. Fortunately

most here have children that respond to the simple basics. (not that

therapy is cheap -but way cheaper!)

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