Re: Re:paying for plastic surgery

March 13, 2003

I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can really

sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come out with

" clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or judgmental they may

sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough " sent a

chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my Grandma and Dad

in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted it bad

enough I would.............I always think..........well, maybe.....but at

what cost!! P.

Re:paying for plastic surgery

> I've been following the thread on how to pay for plastic surgery, and I

> have to add something else. Some of the comments here were " If you want

> it bad enough you will find a way " and " save a little here and there and

it

> all adds up " . First let me say I uttered those same words to people who

> have been denied WLS by insurance. I even gave the example of it being

> nothing more than a cheap car pmt. BUT, it's not always just a matter of

> " will " or working it in to a budget.

>

> 1) Yes, you can refinance your mortgage, but in my case, I already did

> that to pay for wls. 2) " You can get another job to make more

> money. " Well you can IF you can find a job. There are A LOT of people

out

> of work right now (last weeks unemployment figures only emphasize how bad

> it is.) Finding a job just to pay the rent is hard for many people right

> now. 3) " Try to include it in your daily budget. " That's assuming you

> have a budget. With the economy the way it is right now, putting food on

> the table and keeping the electricity on is hard enough. Never mind

trying

> to actually SAVE for plastic surgery.

>

> I agree that those are all viable solutions - FOR SOME PEOPLE, but not

> everyone is financially stable right now. I am one of those people. I

> haven't given up hope that I too will be able to get my thighs done

> someday. But right now I am focused on just paying the bills and trying

to

> survive. I hear what you were trying to say, but it felt like you were

> saying we too could have surgery if we only wanted it bad enough. Wanting

> it bad enough is just not all there is to actually making it happen.

>

> D

> open rny 10/18/01

> 291/135/135ish

>

> At 11:19 PM 3/11/03 -0500, PATISINKY@... wrote:

> >i cannot figure out how everybody on this list can afford all the plastic

> >surgeries. i have bluegrass family health insurance and they specify in

> >their contract that no skin surgery after wls is allowed. and i hear it

> >costs thousands for this surgery. we are not wealthy and i wish i knew

how

> >to get all this money together if i needed to have the skin removal

surgery

> >if i ever loose all the weight. i am already sagging and bagging from

what i

> >have lost and i almost hesitate to lose anymore for fear of having my

arms

> >and tops of my legs sag even more and my chin. my stomach isn't bad, but

for

> >some weird reason it was always fairly flat, but the top of my legs look

like

> >i have an extra but...i hate the fat at the top of my legs. from my

knees

> >down i look normal. i wonder how much a thigh surgery would cost and who

in

> >the world would loan you money for that....

> >

March 13, 2003

I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can really

sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come out with

" clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or judgmental they may

sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough " sent a

chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my Grandma and Dad

in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted it bad

enough I would.............I always think..........well, maybe.....but at

what cost!! P.

Re:paying for plastic surgery

> I've been following the thread on how to pay for plastic surgery, and I

> have to add something else. Some of the comments here were " If you want

> it bad enough you will find a way " and " save a little here and there and

it

> all adds up " . First let me say I uttered those same words to people who

> have been denied WLS by insurance. I even gave the example of it being

> nothing more than a cheap car pmt. BUT, it's not always just a matter of

> " will " or working it in to a budget.

>

> 1) Yes, you can refinance your mortgage, but in my case, I already did

> that to pay for wls. 2) " You can get another job to make more

> money. " Well you can IF you can find a job. There are A LOT of people

out

> of work right now (last weeks unemployment figures only emphasize how bad

> it is.) Finding a job just to pay the rent is hard for many people right

> now. 3) " Try to include it in your daily budget. " That's assuming you

> have a budget. With the economy the way it is right now, putting food on

> the table and keeping the electricity on is hard enough. Never mind

trying

> to actually SAVE for plastic surgery.

>

> I agree that those are all viable solutions - FOR SOME PEOPLE, but not

> everyone is financially stable right now. I am one of those people. I

> haven't given up hope that I too will be able to get my thighs done

> someday. But right now I am focused on just paying the bills and trying

to

> survive. I hear what you were trying to say, but it felt like you were

> saying we too could have surgery if we only wanted it bad enough. Wanting

> it bad enough is just not all there is to actually making it happen.

>

> D

> open rny 10/18/01

> 291/135/135ish

>

> At 11:19 PM 3/11/03 -0500, PATISINKY@... wrote:

> >i cannot figure out how everybody on this list can afford all the plastic

> >surgeries. i have bluegrass family health insurance and they specify in

> >their contract that no skin surgery after wls is allowed. and i hear it

> >costs thousands for this surgery. we are not wealthy and i wish i knew

how

> >to get all this money together if i needed to have the skin removal

surgery

> >if i ever loose all the weight. i am already sagging and bagging from

what i

> >have lost and i almost hesitate to lose anymore for fear of having my

arms

> >and tops of my legs sag even more and my chin. my stomach isn't bad, but

for

> >some weird reason it was always fairly flat, but the top of my legs look

like

> >i have an extra but...i hate the fat at the top of my legs. from my

knees

> >down i look normal. i wonder how much a thigh surgery would cost and who

in

> >the world would loan you money for that....

> >

March 14, 2003

<<When I complained previously about being stuck in a carbo cycle, Jac

came back and LECTURED me about how we are supposed to eat.>>

Vicki, that was NOT a LECTURE! It was an INFOMERCIAL. LOL

Jac

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before and after pictures at:

http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway

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March 14, 2003

<<When I complained previously about being stuck in a carbo cycle, Jac

came back and LECTURED me about how we are supposed to eat.>>

Vicki, that was NOT a LECTURE! It was an INFOMERCIAL. LOL

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

before and after pictures at:

http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway

http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints

March 14, 2003

Yes Vicki......but as I am sure you know support comes in all sizes and

shapes. Different kind are needed at different times. Just like people

come in different sizes and different shapes....some like our Dear sweet

Momma Ceep wouldn't " offend " even if she had to.....her words might be

harsh, and they might occasionally not be what that person wanted to hear.

BUT they are always going to be given in " respect " and love. They are

always going to be given from the standpoint that we are all fellow

strugglers in this battle and life. NOT like she is someone superior in

strength and intelligence....although from her wisdom and personality I

suspect she is both!!! She bothers to " read " the intent behind a persons

post.....she sees their particular need, shows them the error of there

ways.....and NEVER with a one-up attitude, snide remarks or accusations. I

am only using Momma Ceep as an example because most of tend to know her and

she is a shinning example. I won't bother to name an example of the " other "

personality type. The kind who couldn't be humble, nice or thoughtful if

their life depended on it. I guess what I am trying to say is that, YES, it

can be very hard to read someone's thoughts or emotions behind an e-mail.

But I think it is to generous to say that everyone is nice and just mistaken

and would never purposely " diss " someone.....I think that there are some

here who are very consciously pious and curt......and proud of it!!! Just

my .02 P.

Re:paying for plastic surgery

People, people, people..

Come on now.

You know most everyone on this list is here for support and would

never intentionally diss someone else. Sometimes the written word

comes off more harsh than was intended...hence the proliferation of

business courses in the art of writing e-mail.

It's true we perceive from the center of our own beings (attitudes,

experiences, etc.) but that's not necessarily where the message came

from.

I belong to another support group which stresses...take what you want

and leave the rest.

If something p.o.s you, try to see it from the other persons point of

view before your fingers hit the keys.

My personal opinion is that I don't mind ideas even when they differ

from mine and irritate me. I am here to learn Even if I don't

agree, it gives me insight to how others might feel...something I

would have never even had a clue about if it hadn't been pointed out.

When I complained previously about being stuck in a carbo cycle, Jac

came back and LECTURED me about how we are supposed to eat. My first

response was ____! Get real! You think I don't know that??? Who

made you Queen of the Universe? LOL (btw, that's MY title, so don't

cop it)

But then I thought about it and realized that was exactly what I

needed to hear. There's no cheating the system. If she would have

said " poor you, I know how you feel, isn't it terrible, it's just so

hard you can't blame yourself.... " I would have probably wallowed in

self pity as I voraciously sucked on another tootsie pop.

Now THAT'S support!

Vicki A.

> > I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can

> really

> > sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come

out

> with

> > " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or

judgmental

> they may

> > sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

> sent a

> > chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my

Grandma

> and Dad

> > in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted

it

> bad

> > enough I would.............I always think..........well,

> maybe.....but at

> > what cost!! P.

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