Did orthognathic surgery improve your looks?, not mine!

[Guest guest]

I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

should be able to see some significant improvements in their

appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

" ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

age

28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it seems

to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

where it should be if my implant

has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

little bit too.

[Guest guest]

I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

should be able to see some significant improvements in their

appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

" ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

age

28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it seems

to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

where it should be if my implant

has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

little bit too.

[Guest guest]

If your primary concern is appearance rather than functionality at

this point, you might want to consult with a plastic surgeon rather

than an orthognathic surgeon. Or ideally, a practice that does both

(there's a husband/wife team near me that are certified in both

orthognathic surgery and plastic surgery).

Honestly, I don't think oral surgeons are all that concerned about

appearances, nor is it their specialty. Plastic surgeons specialize

in appearance, so it would probably be worthwhile to at least

consult with one.

--Neil

>

> I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

> say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

> right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

> through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

> age

> 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

> the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

seems

> to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

> oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> where it should be if my implant

> has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

> implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> little bit too.

[Guest guest]

If your primary concern is appearance rather than functionality at

this point, you might want to consult with a plastic surgeon rather

than an orthognathic surgeon. Or ideally, a practice that does both

(there's a husband/wife team near me that are certified in both

orthognathic surgery and plastic surgery).

Honestly, I don't think oral surgeons are all that concerned about

appearances, nor is it their specialty. Plastic surgeons specialize

in appearance, so it would probably be worthwhile to at least

consult with one.

--Neil

>

> I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

> say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

> right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

> through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

> age

> 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

> the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

seems

> to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

> oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> where it should be if my implant

> has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

> implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> little bit too.

[Guest guest]

I have not had surgery yet. I am scheduled for surgery Nov. 17th

and I have to say my OS is all about improving your looks.

Everytime I have an appoitment with him he stresses the fact of

improving my appearance. I actually don't need the surgery any more

for function, since my orthodontist has closed my open bite with the

braces, but I still have a gummy smile and a recessed chin which the

orthognathic surgery should be able to correct. My OS also does

some cosmetic procedures such as rhinoplasty, cheek implants,

Liposcopy for the face and Botox.

> >

> > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

to

> > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

every

> > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

12

> > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

at

> > age

> > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

much

> > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> seems

> > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

an

> > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > where it should be if my implant

> > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

jaw

> > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > little bit too.

[Guest guest]

I have not had surgery yet. I am scheduled for surgery Nov. 17th

and I have to say my OS is all about improving your looks.

Everytime I have an appoitment with him he stresses the fact of

improving my appearance. I actually don't need the surgery any more

for function, since my orthodontist has closed my open bite with the

braces, but I still have a gummy smile and a recessed chin which the

orthognathic surgery should be able to correct. My OS also does

some cosmetic procedures such as rhinoplasty, cheek implants,

Liposcopy for the face and Botox.

> >

> > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

to

> > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

every

> > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

12

> > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

at

> > age

> > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

much

> > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> seems

> > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

an

> > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > where it should be if my implant

> > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

jaw

> > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > little bit too.

[Guest guest]

,

Who is your surgeon and where are you having the surgery done?

Re: Did orthognathic surgery

improve your looks?, not mine!

I have not had surgery yet. I am scheduled for surgery Nov. 17th

and I have to say my OS is all about improving your looks.

Everytime I have an appoitment with him he stresses the fact of

improving my appearance. I actually don't need the surgery any more

for function, since my orthodontist has closed my open bite with the

braces, but I still have a gummy smile and a recessed chin which the

orthognathic surgery should be able to correct. My OS also does

some cosmetic procedures such as rhinoplasty, cheek implants,

Liposcopy for the face and Botox.

> >

> > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

to

> > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

every

> > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

12

> > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

at

> > age

> > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

much

> > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> seems

> > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

an

> > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > where it should be if my implant

> > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

jaw

> > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > little bit too.

[Guest guest]

,

Who is your surgeon and where are you having the surgery done?

Re: Did orthognathic surgery

improve your looks?, not mine!

I have not had surgery yet. I am scheduled for surgery Nov. 17th

and I have to say my OS is all about improving your looks.

Everytime I have an appoitment with him he stresses the fact of

improving my appearance. I actually don't need the surgery any more

for function, since my orthodontist has closed my open bite with the

braces, but I still have a gummy smile and a recessed chin which the

orthognathic surgery should be able to correct. My OS also does

some cosmetic procedures such as rhinoplasty, cheek implants,

Liposcopy for the face and Botox.

> >

> > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

to

> > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

every

> > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

12

> > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

at

> > age

> > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

much

> > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> seems

> > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

an

> > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > where it should be if my implant

> > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

jaw

> > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > little bit too.

[Guest guest]

My Os is Dr. J. Widner and I'm having surgery in Austin,

Texas. here's his web site: http://www.widneroms.com/

I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a

person

> > > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

> to

> > > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

> every

> > > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

> 12

> > > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was

an

> > > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

> at

> > > age

> > > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

> much

> > > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it

was

> > > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> > seems

> > > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

> an

> > > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > > where it should be if my implant

> > > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

> jaw

> > > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success

stories

> > > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > > little bit too.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My Os is Dr. J. Widner and I'm having surgery in Austin,

Texas. here's his web site: http://www.widneroms.com/

I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a

person

> > > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

> to

> > > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

> every

> > > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

> 12

> > > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was

an

> > > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

> at

> > > age

> > > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

> much

> > > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it

was

> > > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> > seems

> > > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

> an

> > > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > > where it should be if my implant

> > > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

> jaw

> > > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success

stories

> > > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > > little bit too.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, there is some procedures that can be done for huge

advancements. Orthognathic is dangerous to move too much and your

original surgeon was right to say that. However, there is mow

possibility for people to move up to 2 cm perhaps with oral

distraction. You can read all about it at

http://www.oraldistraction.com/

These guys are in CHicago and they are good. They have a case library

that you can see what is going one. Some people there had

advancements close to 2 cm. I contacted them originally because I

wanted to do it (but I am in CA so I abandoned the plans, besides I

am only 5 mm off accodring to the doctor). But you might want to talk

to them. Also, they can widen your jower jaw with a distractor or

expander as the upper jaw. I think these are the only guys who can do

that since the regular distractors only widen upper arch (the one you

had). I dont know though, give them a call as I did and even send

emails to Dr. Razdolsky there to answer your questions. I think the

surgeon Dr. Dessner is good, he replied to my email with details.

Regards

>

> I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

> say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

> right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

> through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

> age

> 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

> the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it seems

> to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

> oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> where it should be if my implant

> has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

> implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> little bit too.

[Guest guest]

, there is some procedures that can be done for huge

advancements. Orthognathic is dangerous to move too much and your

original surgeon was right to say that. However, there is mow

possibility for people to move up to 2 cm perhaps with oral

distraction. You can read all about it at

http://www.oraldistraction.com/

These guys are in CHicago and they are good. They have a case library

that you can see what is going one. Some people there had

advancements close to 2 cm. I contacted them originally because I

wanted to do it (but I am in CA so I abandoned the plans, besides I

am only 5 mm off accodring to the doctor). But you might want to talk

to them. Also, they can widen your jower jaw with a distractor or

expander as the upper jaw. I think these are the only guys who can do

that since the regular distractors only widen upper arch (the one you

had). I dont know though, give them a call as I did and even send

emails to Dr. Razdolsky there to answer your questions. I think the

surgeon Dr. Dessner is good, he replied to my email with details.

Regards

>

> I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

> say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

> right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

> through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

> age

> 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

> the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it seems

> to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

> oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> where it should be if my implant

> has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

> implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> little bit too.

[Guest guest]

I want function! As anyone with a Class III under bite knows what a

pain eating pizza, sandwiches, etc. can be :-(

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: Did

orthognathic surgery improve your looks?, not mine!

If your primary concern is appearance rather than functionality at

this point, you might want to consult with a plastic surgeon rather

than an orthognathic surgeon. Or ideally, a practice that does both

(there's a husband/wife team near me that are certified in both

orthognathic surgery and plastic surgery).

Honestly, I don't think oral surgeons are all that concerned about

appearances, nor is it their specialty. Plastic surgeons specialize

in appearance, so it would probably be worthwhile to at least

consult with one.

--Neil

>

> I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

> say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

> right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

> through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

> age

> 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

> the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

seems

> to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

> oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> where it should be if my implant

> has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

> implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> little bit too.

[Guest guest]

I want function! As anyone with a Class III under bite knows what a

pain eating pizza, sandwiches, etc. can be :-(

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: Did

orthognathic surgery improve your looks?, not mine!

If your primary concern is appearance rather than functionality at

this point, you might want to consult with a plastic surgeon rather

than an orthognathic surgeon. Or ideally, a practice that does both

(there's a husband/wife team near me that are certified in both

orthognathic surgery and plastic surgery).

Honestly, I don't think oral surgeons are all that concerned about

appearances, nor is it their specialty. Plastic surgeons specialize

in appearance, so it would probably be worthwhile to at least

consult with one.

--Neil

>

> I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry to

> say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have every

> right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age 12

> through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then at

> age

> 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked much

> the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

seems

> to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located an

> oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> where it should be if my implant

> has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need jaw

> implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> little bit too.

[Guest guest]

Not to mention eating pickles! I can't wait till I can bite through

those suckers with my front teeth...I'm all about function.

> >

> > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

to

> > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

every

> > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

12

> > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

at

> > age

> > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

much

> > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> seems

> > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

an

> > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > where it should be if my implant

> > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

jaw

> > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > little bit too.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not to mention eating pickles! I can't wait till I can bite through

those suckers with my front teeth...I'm all about function.

> >

> > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I am

> > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries place

> > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look better.

> > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a person

> > should be able to see some significant improvements in their

> > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on braces,

> > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm sorry

to

> > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

every

> > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at age

12

> > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the next

> > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I was an

> > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

at

> > age

> > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander, surgical

> > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement and

> > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

much

> > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive chin, but

> > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it was

> > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> seems

> > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also located

an

> > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and will

> > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward to

> > where it should be if my implant

> > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the rule)

> > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

jaw

> > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success stories

> > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me vent a

> > little bit too.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I

am

> > > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries

place

> > > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look

better.

> > > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a

person

> > > should be able to see some significant improvements in

their

> > > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on

braces,

> > > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm

sorry

> to

> > > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

> every

> > > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at

age

> 12

> > > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the

next

> > > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I

was an

> > > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

> at

> > > age

> > > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander,

surgical

> > > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement

and

> > > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

> much

> > > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive

chin, but

> > > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it

was

> > > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> > seems

> > > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also

located

> an

> > > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and

will

> > > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward

to

> > > where it should be if my implant

> > > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the

rule)

> > > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

> jaw

> > > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success

stories

> > > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me

vent a

> > > little bit too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I know this should be a simple " yes " answer question, but I

am

> > > increasingly convinced that many orthognathic surgeries

place

> > > little if any emphasis on actually making someone look

better.

> > > Functionality is obviously a very important thing, but a

person

> > > should be able to see some significant improvements in

their

> > > appearance for spending 20 to 30 thousand dollars on

braces,

> > > surgeries, etc. I've looked at the photo albums and I'm

sorry

> to

> > > say, but see very little improvement in most cases. I have

> every

> > > right in the world to complain about this. I had braces at

age

> 12

> > > through 14, had numerous Schwartz appliances, plates,

> > > Craftsman tools, you name it, shoved in my mouth over the

next

> > > 10 years to correct my " severe " case. And by the way, I

was an

> > > " ideal patient " following every instruction to the letter. Then

> at

> > > age

> > > 28 we started all over. Did the upper jaw expander,

surgical

> > > score deal, did the braces, did the lower jaw advancement

and

> > > genioplasty, and after if was all said and done still looked

> much

> > > the same with a long narrow face, extremely recessive

chin, but

> > > yes a great smile. I recently added a chin implant which if it

> > > heals OK has finally given me an acceptable side profile (it

was

> > > the largest available without custom fabrication). Sadly, it

> > seems

> > > to be infected some and may not get to stay. I've also

located

> an

> > > oral surgeon who seems to care about appearance and

will

> > > redo my genioplasty and bring the chin all the way forward

to

> > > where it should be if my implant

> > > has to be removed. (He is obviously an exception to the

rule)

> > > That's the silver lining on these clouds. Then, I still need

> jaw

> > > implants, or bone grafts or something to widen my spade

> > > shaped lower face. All I'd like to hear is some success

stories

> > > about " bad " or " severe " cases. Thank you for letting me

vent a

> > > little bit too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >