Re:paying for plastic surgery

[Guest guest]

I've been following the thread on how to pay for plastic surgery, and I

have to add something else. Some of the comments here were " If you want

it bad enough you will find a way " and " save a little here and there and it

all adds up " . First let me say I uttered those same words to people who

have been denied WLS by insurance. I even gave the example of it being

nothing more than a cheap car pmt. BUT, it's not always just a matter of

" will " or working it in to a budget.

1) Yes, you can refinance your mortgage, but in my case, I already did

that to pay for wls. 2) " You can get another job to make more

money. " Well you can IF you can find a job. There are A LOT of people out

of work right now (last weeks unemployment figures only emphasize how bad

it is.) Finding a job just to pay the rent is hard for many people right

now. 3) " Try to include it in your daily budget. " That's assuming you

have a budget. With the economy the way it is right now, putting food on

the table and keeping the electricity on is hard enough. Never mind trying

to actually SAVE for plastic surgery.

I agree that those are all viable solutions - FOR SOME PEOPLE, but not

everyone is financially stable right now. I am one of those people. I

haven't given up hope that I too will be able to get my thighs done

someday. But right now I am focused on just paying the bills and trying to

survive. I hear what you were trying to say, but it felt like you were

saying we too could have surgery if we only wanted it bad enough. Wanting

it bad enough is just not all there is to actually making it happen.

D

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291/135/135ish

At 11:19 PM 3/11/03 -0500, PATISINKY@... wrote:

>i cannot figure out how everybody on this list can afford all the plastic

>surgeries. i have bluegrass family health insurance and they specify in

>their contract that no skin surgery after wls is allowed. and i hear it

>costs thousands for this surgery. we are not wealthy and i wish i knew how

>to get all this money together if i needed to have the skin removal surgery

>if i ever loose all the weight. i am already sagging and bagging from what i

>have lost and i almost hesitate to lose anymore for fear of having my arms

>and tops of my legs sag even more and my chin. my stomach isn't bad, but for

>some weird reason it was always fairly flat, but the top of my legs look like

>i have an extra but...i hate the fat at the top of my legs. from my knees

>down i look normal. i wonder how much a thigh surgery would cost and who in

>the world would loan you money for that....

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been following the thread on how to pay for plastic surgery, and I

have to add something else. Some of the comments here were " If you want

it bad enough you will find a way " and " save a little here and there and it

all adds up " . First let me say I uttered those same words to people who

have been denied WLS by insurance. I even gave the example of it being

nothing more than a cheap car pmt. BUT, it's not always just a matter of

" will " or working it in to a budget.

1) Yes, you can refinance your mortgage, but in my case, I already did

that to pay for wls. 2) " You can get another job to make more

money. " Well you can IF you can find a job. There are A LOT of people out

of work right now (last weeks unemployment figures only emphasize how bad

it is.) Finding a job just to pay the rent is hard for many people right

now. 3) " Try to include it in your daily budget. " That's assuming you

have a budget. With the economy the way it is right now, putting food on

the table and keeping the electricity on is hard enough. Never mind trying

to actually SAVE for plastic surgery.

I agree that those are all viable solutions - FOR SOME PEOPLE, but not

everyone is financially stable right now. I am one of those people. I

haven't given up hope that I too will be able to get my thighs done

someday. But right now I am focused on just paying the bills and trying to

survive. I hear what you were trying to say, but it felt like you were

saying we too could have surgery if we only wanted it bad enough. Wanting

it bad enough is just not all there is to actually making it happen.

D

open rny 10/18/01

291/135/135ish

At 11:19 PM 3/11/03 -0500, PATISINKY@... wrote:

>i cannot figure out how everybody on this list can afford all the plastic

>surgeries. i have bluegrass family health insurance and they specify in

>their contract that no skin surgery after wls is allowed. and i hear it

>costs thousands for this surgery. we are not wealthy and i wish i knew how

>to get all this money together if i needed to have the skin removal surgery

>if i ever loose all the weight. i am already sagging and bagging from what i

>have lost and i almost hesitate to lose anymore for fear of having my arms

>and tops of my legs sag even more and my chin. my stomach isn't bad, but for

>some weird reason it was always fairly flat, but the top of my legs look like

>i have an extra but...i hate the fat at the top of my legs. from my knees

>down i look normal. i wonder how much a thigh surgery would cost and who in

>the world would loan you money for that....

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I hear what you're saying and it's true that for some people, ps just

is not in the cards now. But no one means to preach. If we assumed

the worst case scenario for all members of the group, nobody would

put forth their ideas for fear of offending someone. Being able to

brainstorm with others is a wonderful tool for me. Many times

suggestions here are not workable for me, but every once in awhile

someone gives me a lightbulb moment.

Don't give up. Life is dynamic. Who knows what your situation, and

that of the economy will be in 5 years? Or, for that matter, even in

1 year.

And no matter what, I'd rather have my feed bag and water finders

than be as fat as I was before.

Vicki A.

> >i cannot figure out how everybody on this list can afford all the

plastic

> >surgeries. i have bluegrass family health insurance and they

specify in

> >their contract that no skin surgery after wls is allowed. and i

hear it

> >costs thousands for this surgery. we are not wealthy and i wish i

knew how

> >to get all this money together if i needed to have the skin

removal surgery

> >if i ever loose all the weight. i am already sagging and bagging

from what i

> >have lost and i almost hesitate to lose anymore for fear of having

my arms

> >and tops of my legs sag even more and my chin. my stomach isn't

bad, but for

> >some weird reason it was always fairly flat, but the top of my

legs look like

> >i have an extra but...i hate the fat at the top of my legs. from

my knees

> >down i look normal. i wonder how much a thigh surgery would cost

and who in

> >the world would loan you money for that....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I hear what you're saying and it's true that for some people, ps just

is not in the cards now. But no one means to preach. If we assumed

the worst case scenario for all members of the group, nobody would

put forth their ideas for fear of offending someone. Being able to

brainstorm with others is a wonderful tool for me. Many times

suggestions here are not workable for me, but every once in awhile

someone gives me a lightbulb moment.

Don't give up. Life is dynamic. Who knows what your situation, and

that of the economy will be in 5 years? Or, for that matter, even in

1 year.

And no matter what, I'd rather have my feed bag and water finders

than be as fat as I was before.

Vicki A.

> >i cannot figure out how everybody on this list can afford all the

plastic

> >surgeries. i have bluegrass family health insurance and they

specify in

> >their contract that no skin surgery after wls is allowed. and i

hear it

> >costs thousands for this surgery. we are not wealthy and i wish i

knew how

> >to get all this money together if i needed to have the skin

removal surgery

> >if i ever loose all the weight. i am already sagging and bagging

from what i

> >have lost and i almost hesitate to lose anymore for fear of having

my arms

> >and tops of my legs sag even more and my chin. my stomach isn't

bad, but for

> >some weird reason it was always fairly flat, but the top of my

legs look like

> >i have an extra but...i hate the fat at the top of my legs. from

my knees

> >down i look normal. i wonder how much a thigh surgery would cost

and who in

> >the world would loan you money for that....

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

and , as another person in this type of situation (needing

PS, covered by an insurance company with very strict guidelines that

do not recognize a situation like mine as being worthy of coverage

for reconstructive surgery, and having no way on God's green earth to

pay for it myself in the foreseeable future), I couldn't agree more

with the comments both of you have made.

I don't even know who made these assertions that all we need to do

is " want PS badly enough, " because I've been away from the list for a

while and am just starting to get daught up, but the IDEA that anyone

would presume to say that is deeply offensive as well as hurtful to

me. In fact, I am having to REALLY exercise restraint in composing

this response, because the whole thing upsets me so much. I have

written and deleted paragraph after paragraph of rants about this so

far, trying to get my response down to a form that's fit for public

consumption, and I have finally come up with the following statement:

No one here has ANY right whatsoever to judge me, my reasons for not

being able to self-pay, and/or whether I " want PS badly enough " until

they have walked a few miles in my droopy-thighed, saggy-butted,

batwinged, financially broke skin AND until they know every single

detail of my personal financial situation (which they will not,

because I am not planning to share that information).

I hope nobody is offended by this post, but if you are...believe me,

you DON'T want to see all the ones I wrote but DIDN'T send!

;o# <--# represents mouth taped up to keep me from saying something I

might regret

Sharon

> I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can

really

> sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come out

with

> " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or judgmental

they may

> sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

sent a

> chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my Grandma

and Dad

> in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted it

bad

> enough I would.............I always think..........well,

maybe.....but at

> what cost!! P.

[Guest guest]

and , as another person in this type of situation (needing

PS, covered by an insurance company with very strict guidelines that

do not recognize a situation like mine as being worthy of coverage

for reconstructive surgery, and having no way on God's green earth to

pay for it myself in the foreseeable future), I couldn't agree more

with the comments both of you have made.

I don't even know who made these assertions that all we need to do

is " want PS badly enough, " because I've been away from the list for a

while and am just starting to get daught up, but the IDEA that anyone

would presume to say that is deeply offensive as well as hurtful to

me. In fact, I am having to REALLY exercise restraint in composing

this response, because the whole thing upsets me so much. I have

written and deleted paragraph after paragraph of rants about this so

far, trying to get my response down to a form that's fit for public

consumption, and I have finally come up with the following statement:

No one here has ANY right whatsoever to judge me, my reasons for not

being able to self-pay, and/or whether I " want PS badly enough " until

they have walked a few miles in my droopy-thighed, saggy-butted,

batwinged, financially broke skin AND until they know every single

detail of my personal financial situation (which they will not,

because I am not planning to share that information).

I hope nobody is offended by this post, but if you are...believe me,

you DON'T want to see all the ones I wrote but DIDN'T send!

;o# <--# represents mouth taped up to keep me from saying something I

might regret

Sharon

> I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can

really

> sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come out

with

> " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or judgmental

they may

> sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

sent a

> chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my Grandma

and Dad

> in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted it

bad

> enough I would.............I always think..........well,

maybe.....but at

> what cost!! P.

[Guest guest]

People, people, people..

Come on now.

You know most everyone on this list is here for support and would

never intentionally diss someone else. Sometimes the written word

comes off more harsh than was intended...hence the proliferation of

business courses in the art of writing e-mail.

It's true we perceive from the center of our own beings (attitudes,

experiences, etc.) but that's not necessarily where the message came

from.

I belong to another support group which stresses...take what you want

and leave the rest.

If something p.o.s you, try to see it from the other persons point of

view before your fingers hit the keys.

My personal opinion is that I don't mind ideas even when they differ

from mine and irritate me. I am here to learn Even if I don't

agree, it gives me insight to how others might feel...something I

would have never even had a clue about if it hadn't been pointed out.

When I complained previously about being stuck in a carbo cycle, Jac

came back and LECTURED me about how we are supposed to eat. My first

response was ____! Get real! You think I don't know that??? Who

made you Queen of the Universe? LOL (btw, that's MY title, so don't

cop it)

But then I thought about it and realized that was exactly what I

needed to hear. There's no cheating the system. If she would have

said " poor you, I know how you feel, isn't it terrible, it's just so

hard you can't blame yourself.... " I would have probably wallowed in

self pity as I voraciously sucked on another tootsie pop.

Now THAT'S support!

Vicki A.

> > I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can

> really

> > sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come

out

> with

> > " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or

judgmental

> they may

> > sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

> sent a

> > chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my

Grandma

> and Dad

> > in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted

it

> bad

> > enough I would.............I always think..........well,

> maybe.....but at

> > what cost!! P.

[Guest guest]

People, people, people..

Come on now.

You know most everyone on this list is here for support and would

never intentionally diss someone else. Sometimes the written word

comes off more harsh than was intended...hence the proliferation of

business courses in the art of writing e-mail.

It's true we perceive from the center of our own beings (attitudes,

experiences, etc.) but that's not necessarily where the message came

from.

I belong to another support group which stresses...take what you want

and leave the rest.

If something p.o.s you, try to see it from the other persons point of

view before your fingers hit the keys.

My personal opinion is that I don't mind ideas even when they differ

from mine and irritate me. I am here to learn Even if I don't

agree, it gives me insight to how others might feel...something I

would have never even had a clue about if it hadn't been pointed out.

When I complained previously about being stuck in a carbo cycle, Jac

came back and LECTURED me about how we are supposed to eat. My first

response was ____! Get real! You think I don't know that??? Who

made you Queen of the Universe? LOL (btw, that's MY title, so don't

cop it)

But then I thought about it and realized that was exactly what I

needed to hear. There's no cheating the system. If she would have

said " poor you, I know how you feel, isn't it terrible, it's just so

hard you can't blame yourself.... " I would have probably wallowed in

self pity as I voraciously sucked on another tootsie pop.

Now THAT'S support!

Vicki A.

> > I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others can

> really

> > sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come

out

> with

> > " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or

judgmental

> they may

> > sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

> sent a

> > chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my

Grandma

> and Dad

> > in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted

it

> bad

> > enough I would.............I always think..........well,

> maybe.....but at

> > what cost!! P.

[Guest guest]

,

You may be right. But I prefer to live in a kinder, gentler world.

My attitude may be nieve, but frankly, I just have too many other

things on my plate to sweat the small stuff. I like to think of this

boards as my safe place. I hope I never get disappointed.

Vicki A.

> > > I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others

can

> > really

> > > sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come

> out

> > with

> > > " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or

> judgmental

> > they may

> > > sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

> > sent a

> > > chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my

> Grandma

> > and Dad

> > > in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted

> it

> > bad

> > > enough I would.............I always think..........well,

> > maybe.....but at

> > > what cost!! P.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

You may be right. But I prefer to live in a kinder, gentler world.

My attitude may be nieve, but frankly, I just have too many other

things on my plate to sweat the small stuff. I like to think of this

boards as my safe place. I hope I never get disappointed.

Vicki A.

> > > I agree .....sometimes the words and attitudes of others

can

> > really

> > > sting.....and sometimes I think people are really quick to come

> out

> > with

> > > " clichés " without really thinking of how accusational or

> judgmental

> > they may

> > > sound to others!! The attitude of " it you wanted it bad enough "

> > sent a

> > > chill up my spine too........it reminded me too much of my

> Grandma

> > and Dad

> > > in my years prior to WLS......they kept saying that if I wanted

> it

> > bad

> > > enough I would.............I always think..........well,

> > maybe.....but at

> > > what cost!! P.

>

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