Re: flushing and progression of rosacea

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after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

[Guest guest]

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

[Guest guest]

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

[Guest guest]

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

[Guest guest]

The cea Ltd. Discs can be found here:

http://www.rosacea-ltd.com

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Re: flushing and progression of rosacea

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

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The cea Ltd. Discs can be found here:

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Re: flushing and progression of rosacea

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

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Re: flushing and progression of rosacea

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

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Re: flushing and progression of rosacea

after having read your post, i am wondering what " discs " you are referring

to. please explain.

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[Guest guest]

You ask some good questions, Ron.

What you describe sounds superfically like stage 1 rosacea -- do you

understand why your doctors aren't certain of the diagnosis, and what

will help them clinch a diagnosis? I don't know of any way to

differentiate between vascular or inflammation as the cause of

redness, including blanching (what you describe). But in general

flushing is more dramatic and short-lived (for some rosaceans, that

could mean days) whereas inflammatory redness can last much longer,

not occupy the entire area that flushing does, is more likely to

fluctuate from day to day, and more likely to be associated with

itching and/or papules. (Though last week when I flared to spicy food

I both blushed and developed papules)

I don't know anything about the discs, I'm sorry.

I'm not aware of any study that demonstrates how to impact on the

progression of rosacea -- or if anything can. I believe it's just

common sense that has us rosaceans treat our skin with gentle

products, wear sunscreen, and avoid triggers.

I too have few identifiable triggers. I've educated myself on the

common triggers but haven't noted any correlation except with

weather, physical stress, my computer monitor, and now verrrrry spicy

foods. I'm reasonably attentive to changes in my skin, but probably

much less attentive than others in the group are. I tend to take a

more long-range view -- monitoring my progress over months rather

than every day -- and concentrate on maintaining overall healthy skin

rather than understanding or curing every flush and papule.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Marjorie,

>

> I am new to the group and have read hundreds of posts

> and nase's book. I have general facial redness or

> pinkness on my forehead, chin and cheeks, but only on

> areas where I don't have any facial hair. I was

> recently diagnosed with rosacea by a derm who didn't

> seem so sure. Neither is my family doctor. She told

> me to use sunscreen, wear a hat, try metro gel but it

> probably won't work, and basically live with it.

> After two weeks and reading this group, I decided to

> try the discs. It went slowly, but after a month I am

> slowly showing some improvement. I follow their

> procedure as described and use sunscreen when I go out

> in the sun. Other than sun exposure and perhaps spicy

> foods, I am having great difficulty in trying to

> deterimine what triggers the redness. I generally

> wake up fairly good and slowly get redder as the day

> progresses. I don't feel overly stressed other than

> with the rosacea. When I excercise, I may get

> somewhat flushed, but not dramatically. I haven't

> noticed any immediate or significant impact from food

> or alcohol. I have never been allergic to anything.

>

>

> I read your posts concerning food inolerences with

> great interest. Is there any visible way to determine

> whether you have vascular or inflammatory redness? I

> noticed that my derm pushed on my face with her

> finger. When this is done, the area turns whiter and

> quickly turns back to red. Does this indicate

> vascular redness or does inflammatory redness do the

> same thing?

>

> I generally can live with some redness in my life. My

> major concern is progession of the disease. What is

> the best way to prevent that. Other than sun

> exposure, is there any evidence that exposing ones

> self to known triggers will eventually cause

> progression of the disease? For instance, excercise

> or spicy foods. Someone mentioned a bell shaped curve

> for the disease where it gets worse then slowly

> improves as you get older. I am 41.

>

> Also, I tried to find any posts where you commented on

> the discs. What are your thoughts on the discs? Do

> you think they could be used for long term

> " management " I have never used many topicals on my

> face and I do not seem to have much immediate skin

> sensitivity. (However, I do wonder whether the head

> and sholders shampoo has irratated my forehead and

> ears. I switched to J and J baby shampoo.) I am

> concerned about the repeated exposure. Is it better

> to just clean, moisurize and wear sunscreen to slow

> progression or should one try to actively reduce the

> redness. Nase's solutions for redness are

> antibiotics, accutane and photoderm. All seem to have

> some problems or limitations. If repeated exposure to

> triggers worsen the disease, than it still seems like

> one must identify triggers and reduce your exposure.

>

> Thank you for any thoughts. This group has been

> extremely helpful.

>

> Ron

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You ask some good questions, Ron.

What you describe sounds superfically like stage 1 rosacea -- do you

understand why your doctors aren't certain of the diagnosis, and what

will help them clinch a diagnosis? I don't know of any way to

differentiate between vascular or inflammation as the cause of

redness, including blanching (what you describe). But in general

flushing is more dramatic and short-lived (for some rosaceans, that

could mean days) whereas inflammatory redness can last much longer,

not occupy the entire area that flushing does, is more likely to

fluctuate from day to day, and more likely to be associated with

itching and/or papules. (Though last week when I flared to spicy food

I both blushed and developed papules)

I don't know anything about the discs, I'm sorry.

I'm not aware of any study that demonstrates how to impact on the

progression of rosacea -- or if anything can. I believe it's just

common sense that has us rosaceans treat our skin with gentle

products, wear sunscreen, and avoid triggers.

I too have few identifiable triggers. I've educated myself on the

common triggers but haven't noted any correlation except with

weather, physical stress, my computer monitor, and now verrrrry spicy

foods. I'm reasonably attentive to changes in my skin, but probably

much less attentive than others in the group are. I tend to take a

more long-range view -- monitoring my progress over months rather

than every day -- and concentrate on maintaining overall healthy skin

rather than understanding or curing every flush and papule.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Marjorie,

>

> I am new to the group and have read hundreds of posts

> and nase's book. I have general facial redness or

> pinkness on my forehead, chin and cheeks, but only on

> areas where I don't have any facial hair. I was

> recently diagnosed with rosacea by a derm who didn't

> seem so sure. Neither is my family doctor. She told

> me to use sunscreen, wear a hat, try metro gel but it

> probably won't work, and basically live with it.

> After two weeks and reading this group, I decided to

> try the discs. It went slowly, but after a month I am

> slowly showing some improvement. I follow their

> procedure as described and use sunscreen when I go out

> in the sun. Other than sun exposure and perhaps spicy

> foods, I am having great difficulty in trying to

> deterimine what triggers the redness. I generally

> wake up fairly good and slowly get redder as the day

> progresses. I don't feel overly stressed other than

> with the rosacea. When I excercise, I may get

> somewhat flushed, but not dramatically. I haven't

> noticed any immediate or significant impact from food

> or alcohol. I have never been allergic to anything.

>

>

> I read your posts concerning food inolerences with

> great interest. Is there any visible way to determine

> whether you have vascular or inflammatory redness? I

> noticed that my derm pushed on my face with her

> finger. When this is done, the area turns whiter and

> quickly turns back to red. Does this indicate

> vascular redness or does inflammatory redness do the

> same thing?

>

> I generally can live with some redness in my life. My

> major concern is progession of the disease. What is

> the best way to prevent that. Other than sun

> exposure, is there any evidence that exposing ones

> self to known triggers will eventually cause

> progression of the disease? For instance, excercise

> or spicy foods. Someone mentioned a bell shaped curve

> for the disease where it gets worse then slowly

> improves as you get older. I am 41.

>

> Also, I tried to find any posts where you commented on

> the discs. What are your thoughts on the discs? Do

> you think they could be used for long term

> " management " I have never used many topicals on my

> face and I do not seem to have much immediate skin

> sensitivity. (However, I do wonder whether the head

> and sholders shampoo has irratated my forehead and

> ears. I switched to J and J baby shampoo.) I am

> concerned about the repeated exposure. Is it better

> to just clean, moisurize and wear sunscreen to slow

> progression or should one try to actively reduce the

> redness. Nase's solutions for redness are

> antibiotics, accutane and photoderm. All seem to have

> some problems or limitations. If repeated exposure to

> triggers worsen the disease, than it still seems like

> one must identify triggers and reduce your exposure.

>

> Thank you for any thoughts. This group has been

> extremely helpful.

>

> Ron

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You ask some good questions, Ron.

What you describe sounds superfically like stage 1 rosacea -- do you

understand why your doctors aren't certain of the diagnosis, and what

will help them clinch a diagnosis? I don't know of any way to

differentiate between vascular or inflammation as the cause of

redness, including blanching (what you describe). But in general

flushing is more dramatic and short-lived (for some rosaceans, that

could mean days) whereas inflammatory redness can last much longer,

not occupy the entire area that flushing does, is more likely to

fluctuate from day to day, and more likely to be associated with

itching and/or papules. (Though last week when I flared to spicy food

I both blushed and developed papules)

I don't know anything about the discs, I'm sorry.

I'm not aware of any study that demonstrates how to impact on the

progression of rosacea -- or if anything can. I believe it's just

common sense that has us rosaceans treat our skin with gentle

products, wear sunscreen, and avoid triggers.

I too have few identifiable triggers. I've educated myself on the

common triggers but haven't noted any correlation except with

weather, physical stress, my computer monitor, and now verrrrry spicy

foods. I'm reasonably attentive to changes in my skin, but probably

much less attentive than others in the group are. I tend to take a

more long-range view -- monitoring my progress over months rather

than every day -- and concentrate on maintaining overall healthy skin

rather than understanding or curing every flush and papule.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Marjorie,

>

> I am new to the group and have read hundreds of posts

> and nase's book. I have general facial redness or

> pinkness on my forehead, chin and cheeks, but only on

> areas where I don't have any facial hair. I was

> recently diagnosed with rosacea by a derm who didn't

> seem so sure. Neither is my family doctor. She told

> me to use sunscreen, wear a hat, try metro gel but it

> probably won't work, and basically live with it.

> After two weeks and reading this group, I decided to

> try the discs. It went slowly, but after a month I am

> slowly showing some improvement. I follow their

> procedure as described and use sunscreen when I go out

> in the sun. Other than sun exposure and perhaps spicy

> foods, I am having great difficulty in trying to

> deterimine what triggers the redness. I generally

> wake up fairly good and slowly get redder as the day

> progresses. I don't feel overly stressed other than

> with the rosacea. When I excercise, I may get

> somewhat flushed, but not dramatically. I haven't

> noticed any immediate or significant impact from food

> or alcohol. I have never been allergic to anything.

>

>

> I read your posts concerning food inolerences with

> great interest. Is there any visible way to determine

> whether you have vascular or inflammatory redness? I

> noticed that my derm pushed on my face with her

> finger. When this is done, the area turns whiter and

> quickly turns back to red. Does this indicate

> vascular redness or does inflammatory redness do the

> same thing?

>

> I generally can live with some redness in my life. My

> major concern is progession of the disease. What is

> the best way to prevent that. Other than sun

> exposure, is there any evidence that exposing ones

> self to known triggers will eventually cause

> progression of the disease? For instance, excercise

> or spicy foods. Someone mentioned a bell shaped curve

> for the disease where it gets worse then slowly

> improves as you get older. I am 41.

>

> Also, I tried to find any posts where you commented on

> the discs. What are your thoughts on the discs? Do

> you think they could be used for long term

> " management " I have never used many topicals on my

> face and I do not seem to have much immediate skin

> sensitivity. (However, I do wonder whether the head

> and sholders shampoo has irratated my forehead and

> ears. I switched to J and J baby shampoo.) I am

> concerned about the repeated exposure. Is it better

> to just clean, moisurize and wear sunscreen to slow

> progression or should one try to actively reduce the

> redness. Nase's solutions for redness are

> antibiotics, accutane and photoderm. All seem to have

> some problems or limitations. If repeated exposure to

> triggers worsen the disease, than it still seems like

> one must identify triggers and reduce your exposure.

>

> Thank you for any thoughts. This group has been

> extremely helpful.

>

> Ron

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You ask some good questions, Ron.

What you describe sounds superfically like stage 1 rosacea -- do you

understand why your doctors aren't certain of the diagnosis, and what

will help them clinch a diagnosis? I don't know of any way to

differentiate between vascular or inflammation as the cause of

redness, including blanching (what you describe). But in general

flushing is more dramatic and short-lived (for some rosaceans, that

could mean days) whereas inflammatory redness can last much longer,

not occupy the entire area that flushing does, is more likely to

fluctuate from day to day, and more likely to be associated with

itching and/or papules. (Though last week when I flared to spicy food

I both blushed and developed papules)

I don't know anything about the discs, I'm sorry.

I'm not aware of any study that demonstrates how to impact on the

progression of rosacea -- or if anything can. I believe it's just

common sense that has us rosaceans treat our skin with gentle

products, wear sunscreen, and avoid triggers.

I too have few identifiable triggers. I've educated myself on the

common triggers but haven't noted any correlation except with

weather, physical stress, my computer monitor, and now verrrrry spicy

foods. I'm reasonably attentive to changes in my skin, but probably

much less attentive than others in the group are. I tend to take a

more long-range view -- monitoring my progress over months rather

than every day -- and concentrate on maintaining overall healthy skin

rather than understanding or curing every flush and papule.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Marjorie,

>

> I am new to the group and have read hundreds of posts

> and nase's book. I have general facial redness or

> pinkness on my forehead, chin and cheeks, but only on

> areas where I don't have any facial hair. I was

> recently diagnosed with rosacea by a derm who didn't

> seem so sure. Neither is my family doctor. She told

> me to use sunscreen, wear a hat, try metro gel but it

> probably won't work, and basically live with it.

> After two weeks and reading this group, I decided to

> try the discs. It went slowly, but after a month I am

> slowly showing some improvement. I follow their

> procedure as described and use sunscreen when I go out

> in the sun. Other than sun exposure and perhaps spicy

> foods, I am having great difficulty in trying to

> deterimine what triggers the redness. I generally

> wake up fairly good and slowly get redder as the day

> progresses. I don't feel overly stressed other than

> with the rosacea. When I excercise, I may get

> somewhat flushed, but not dramatically. I haven't

> noticed any immediate or significant impact from food

> or alcohol. I have never been allergic to anything.

>

>

> I read your posts concerning food inolerences with

> great interest. Is there any visible way to determine

> whether you have vascular or inflammatory redness? I

> noticed that my derm pushed on my face with her

> finger. When this is done, the area turns whiter and

> quickly turns back to red. Does this indicate

> vascular redness or does inflammatory redness do the

> same thing?

>

> I generally can live with some redness in my life. My

> major concern is progession of the disease. What is

> the best way to prevent that. Other than sun

> exposure, is there any evidence that exposing ones

> self to known triggers will eventually cause

> progression of the disease? For instance, excercise

> or spicy foods. Someone mentioned a bell shaped curve

> for the disease where it gets worse then slowly

> improves as you get older. I am 41.

>

> Also, I tried to find any posts where you commented on

> the discs. What are your thoughts on the discs? Do

> you think they could be used for long term

> " management " I have never used many topicals on my

> face and I do not seem to have much immediate skin

> sensitivity. (However, I do wonder whether the head

> and sholders shampoo has irratated my forehead and

> ears. I switched to J and J baby shampoo.) I am

> concerned about the repeated exposure. Is it better

> to just clean, moisurize and wear sunscreen to slow

> progression or should one try to actively reduce the

> redness. Nase's solutions for redness are

> antibiotics, accutane and photoderm. All seem to have

> some problems or limitations. If repeated exposure to

> triggers worsen the disease, than it still seems like

> one must identify triggers and reduce your exposure.

>

> Thank you for any thoughts. This group has been

> extremely helpful.

>

> Ron

>

> __________________________________________________

>