dwilzen Re: DO NOT DO THE SURGERY!!!!

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Did you have a long face to begin with? I personally would love to achieve a

longer and thinner face out of this surgery as well as a correct bite.

zulu1967 wrote:DO NOT DO THE SURGERY! IT'S NEVER TOO LATE

TO CHANGE YOUR MIND!!!!

I did my surgery for cosmetic reason...

here is something you need to consider:

1. your face will be longer.. your jaw is going to be moved

forward...it will make your face look longer

2. your face will look thinner

3. there is a risk of permanent numbness

4. your face may become asymmetrical (that's what happened to me

after surgery)

although i'm an engineer, the most important thing i learned in

university is the law of diminishing returns:

at some point, regardless of the effort you put into it, you'll not

get the proportional results...

the surgeon told me that i'll have a stronger chin and i can easily

tell my final look by moving my jaw forward in front of the mirror..

that is NOT true! it's total UNKNOWN…cosmetically, you have no idea

what you'll look like!

i'm living proof of this and i wish i NEVER had this silly surgery

for a 5mm overjet...

most of the people that are happy with their results have extreme

situations… I would not put you in the extreme category… it's simply

not worth the risk!

good luck with the surgery and let us know the final results...

> > > > > Well I thought I'd give this a try and see if

> > I

> > > > could get any

> > > > advice

> > > > > or assistance from anyone who has been down

> > the

> > > > road I'm about to

> > > > > travel. On October 28, I'm having

> > orthognathic

> > > > surgery involving

> > > > > upper/lower jaw on left and right, along with

> > > > genioplasty

> > > > > (repositioning of chin) and a palate

> > expansion. I

> > > > have been

> > > > reading

> > > > > online to get as much information I could

> > before

> > > > surgery but who

> > > > > better to ask than those of you that have been

> > > > through it. Has

> > > > > anyone been dissatisfied with their results?

> > Or

> > > > has the overall

> > > > > appearance of your face become a dramatic,

> > > > acceptable change? Any

> > > > > input or advice from anyone would be great. I

> > > > don't like being so

> > > > > nervous.

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Did you have a long face to begin with? I personally would love to achieve a

longer and thinner face out of this surgery as well as a correct bite.

zulu1967 wrote:DO NOT DO THE SURGERY! IT'S NEVER TOO LATE

TO CHANGE YOUR MIND!!!!

I did my surgery for cosmetic reason...

here is something you need to consider:

1. your face will be longer.. your jaw is going to be moved

forward...it will make your face look longer

2. your face will look thinner

3. there is a risk of permanent numbness

4. your face may become asymmetrical (that's what happened to me

after surgery)

although i'm an engineer, the most important thing i learned in

university is the law of diminishing returns:

at some point, regardless of the effort you put into it, you'll not

get the proportional results...

the surgeon told me that i'll have a stronger chin and i can easily

tell my final look by moving my jaw forward in front of the mirror..

that is NOT true! it's total UNKNOWN…cosmetically, you have no idea

what you'll look like!

i'm living proof of this and i wish i NEVER had this silly surgery

for a 5mm overjet...

most of the people that are happy with their results have extreme

situations… I would not put you in the extreme category… it's simply

not worth the risk!

good luck with the surgery and let us know the final results...

> > > > > Well I thought I'd give this a try and see if

> > I

> > > > could get any

> > > > advice

> > > > > or assistance from anyone who has been down

> > the

> > > > road I'm about to

> > > > > travel. On October 28, I'm having

> > orthognathic

> > > > surgery involving

> > > > > upper/lower jaw on left and right, along with

> > > > genioplasty

> > > > > (repositioning of chin) and a palate

> > expansion. I

> > > > have been

> > > > reading

> > > > > online to get as much information I could

> > before

> > > > surgery but who

> > > > > better to ask than those of you that have been

> > > > through it. Has

> > > > > anyone been dissatisfied with their results?

> > Or

> > > > has the overall

> > > > > appearance of your face become a dramatic,

> > > > acceptable change? Any

> > > > > input or advice from anyone would be great. I

> > > > don't like being so

> > > > > nervous.

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________

> > > Do you Yahoo!?

> > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!

> > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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I agree with Cammie on this. My case was NOT extreme. I had an

underbite that most people did not notice. I was told if I was going

to do the surgery to do it now before I started to have functional

problems. No one can be 100% certain that I would have had problems

if I did not have the surgery. I may have lived out my life with no

problems at all, or I may have lost all my teeth by 40.

The cosmetic benefits tipped the scale for me. I have had a VERY

difficlt recovery and I am not done yet. But I have never regretted

having the surgery for a moment. I also have a small amount of

asymmetry. But no one but me and my Doc notice it so it does not

bother me.

This is an entirely personal decision and as a support group I think

our role is to advise and share experiences, but NEVER to tell

someone what they should or should not do. Every has a right to make

their own decision without being biased unnecessarily.

My two-cents.

Marsha

> > I can understand zulu's point, as I lean that way myself. While

his

> > opinion is strongly stated, I think it's valuable to have a " anti-

> > surgery " opinion on this board. The risks are very real and very

> > serious. While only a small fraction of patients will have a poor

> > outcome, that hardly matters if you're among that 2 or 3 per 100.

> > For anyone who's only slightly functionally-impaired, or only

> > slightly unhappy with their appearance, a message like zulu's

> should

> > give them pause to balance his negative message vs. the positive

> > messages that we usually see on this board.

> >

> > --Neil

[Guest guest]

I agree with Cammie on this. My case was NOT extreme. I had an

underbite that most people did not notice. I was told if I was going

to do the surgery to do it now before I started to have functional

problems. No one can be 100% certain that I would have had problems

if I did not have the surgery. I may have lived out my life with no

problems at all, or I may have lost all my teeth by 40.

The cosmetic benefits tipped the scale for me. I have had a VERY

difficlt recovery and I am not done yet. But I have never regretted

having the surgery for a moment. I also have a small amount of

asymmetry. But no one but me and my Doc notice it so it does not

bother me.

This is an entirely personal decision and as a support group I think

our role is to advise and share experiences, but NEVER to tell

someone what they should or should not do. Every has a right to make

their own decision without being biased unnecessarily.

My two-cents.

Marsha

> > I can understand zulu's point, as I lean that way myself. While

his

> > opinion is strongly stated, I think it's valuable to have a " anti-

> > surgery " opinion on this board. The risks are very real and very

> > serious. While only a small fraction of patients will have a poor

> > outcome, that hardly matters if you're among that 2 or 3 per 100.

> > For anyone who's only slightly functionally-impaired, or only

> > slightly unhappy with their appearance, a message like zulu's

> should

> > give them pause to balance his negative message vs. the positive

> > messages that we usually see on this board.

> >

> > --Neil

[Guest guest]

Thanks Zulu and Neil, that's kind of what i want to hear as my face is rounded

and that is emphasized by the weak chin. I look ok but I know a longer face

would be an improvement. The fact that you say the nose looks smaller too is

good too.

I want to get the most out of this aesthetically as well as functionally. I want

it to be worth it considering the time, money and recovery involved.

Neil, are you generally happy you got it done?

Zulu would you mind sending me your photos too?? I am really curious about

outcomes in people similar to my situation.

suzy_q_nz@...

zulu1967 wrote:

the bottom half of my face was rounded (probably because of a

recessive lower jaw)... after 9 months in brace and signficant

reduction in my overjet (from 9mm to 5mm), my face was nice and

square.... after the surgery the surgery the lower part of my face

got a bit thinner...

so, yes my face got thinner... the ortho assistant told me that most

people that have lower jaw advancement get a thinner looking

face..and their nose appears to be smaller since the face is

longer....

also, one cannot guess what their new face will look like after the

surgery by simply moving the jaw forward... i looked very different

that i thought i would.. someone from this forum also emailed me

stating the same experience... it appears tha Niel also agrees...

the slightest change or adjustment can make your face look

different...

> > > > > > > Well I thought I'd give this a try and see if

> > > > I

> > > > > > could get any

> > > > > > advice

> > > > > > > or assistance from anyone who has been down

> > > > the

> > > > > > road I'm about to

> > > > > > > travel. On October 28, I'm having

> > > > orthognathic

> > > > > > surgery involving

> > > > > > > upper/lower jaw on left and right, along with

> > > > > > genioplasty

> > > > > > > (repositioning of chin) and a palate

> > > > expansion. I

> > > > > > have been

> > > > > > reading

> > > > > > > online to get as much information I could

> > > > before

> > > > > > surgery but who

> > > > > > > better to ask than those of you that have been

> > > > > > through it. Has

> > > > > > > anyone been dissatisfied with their results?

> > > > Or

> > > > > > has the overall

> > > > > > > appearance of your face become a dramatic,

> > > > > > acceptable change? Any

> > > > > > > input or advice from anyone would be great. I

> > > > > > don't like being so

> > > > > > > nervous.

> > > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________

> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?

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> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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Thanks Zulu and Neil, that's kind of what i want to hear as my face is rounded

and that is emphasized by the weak chin. I look ok but I know a longer face

would be an improvement. The fact that you say the nose looks smaller too is

good too.

I want to get the most out of this aesthetically as well as functionally. I want

it to be worth it considering the time, money and recovery involved.

Neil, are you generally happy you got it done?

Zulu would you mind sending me your photos too?? I am really curious about

outcomes in people similar to my situation.

suzy_q_nz@...

zulu1967 wrote:

the bottom half of my face was rounded (probably because of a

recessive lower jaw)... after 9 months in brace and signficant

reduction in my overjet (from 9mm to 5mm), my face was nice and

square.... after the surgery the surgery the lower part of my face

got a bit thinner...

so, yes my face got thinner... the ortho assistant told me that most

people that have lower jaw advancement get a thinner looking

face..and their nose appears to be smaller since the face is

longer....

also, one cannot guess what their new face will look like after the

surgery by simply moving the jaw forward... i looked very different

that i thought i would.. someone from this forum also emailed me

stating the same experience... it appears tha Niel also agrees...

the slightest change or adjustment can make your face look

different...

> > > > > > > Well I thought I'd give this a try and see if

> > > > I

> > > > > > could get any

> > > > > > advice

> > > > > > > or assistance from anyone who has been down

> > > > the

> > > > > > road I'm about to

> > > > > > > travel. On October 28, I'm having

> > > > orthognathic

> > > > > > surgery involving

> > > > > > > upper/lower jaw on left and right, along with

> > > > > > genioplasty

> > > > > > > (repositioning of chin) and a palate

> > > > expansion. I

> > > > > > have been

> > > > > > reading

> > > > > > > online to get as much information I could

> > > > before

> > > > > > surgery but who

> > > > > > > better to ask than those of you that have been

> > > > > > through it. Has

> > > > > > > anyone been dissatisfied with their results?

> > > > Or

> > > > > > has the overall

> > > > > > > appearance of your face become a dramatic,

> > > > > > acceptable change? Any

> > > > > > > input or advice from anyone would be great. I

> > > > > > don't like being so

> > > > > > > nervous.

> > > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________

> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?

> > > > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!

> > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >