Re: liquids, plateau, and hormones....what a trio!

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In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:33:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jclinton@... writes:

> If fat does store estrogen, then what

> happens after losing so much fat? Anyone here know??

>

I' read somewhere, when the fat runs out ... you become a man ...

lol....just teasing you Joan !!! Happy New Year Kiddo ... **

Skinny Wishes from Mandy in CA

275/146/126

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:33:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jclinton@... writes:

> If fat does store estrogen, then what

> happens after losing so much fat? Anyone here know??

>

I' read somewhere, when the fat runs out ... you become a man ...

lol....just teasing you Joan !!! Happy New Year Kiddo ... **

Skinny Wishes from Mandy in CA

275/146/126

[Guest guest]

Paige, with liquids if something didn't feel good, I'd switch to something

else. I'm with you, I certainly didn't want an IV, so I always write down

the quantity of liquids I get to get the 64 oz, and anything after that is

fine, some days I've actually had an extra 32 oz. Seems impossible because

I wasn't a liquid drinker prior to this. I don't leave the house without a

water bottle. If it's going to be all day, I take 3 of them (48 oz.)

As to eating a little more, and then losing. It really boggles me, but it

does work. Many on here have said just that. I do make sure I eat enough

protein, but don't always get all the meals in. I was really stuck, and

sort-of bummed, so started getting all the food in and it started moving

again. Without this site, I wouldn't have known to do that!

I'm curious too about hormones. If fat does store estrogen, then what

happens after losing so much fat? Anyone here know??

Joan

LAP RNY 11/18/03

Dr. Higa, Fresno, CA

282pre-op/275surg/240/140

[Guest guest]

Paige, with liquids if something didn't feel good, I'd switch to something

else. I'm with you, I certainly didn't want an IV, so I always write down

the quantity of liquids I get to get the 64 oz, and anything after that is

fine, some days I've actually had an extra 32 oz. Seems impossible because

I wasn't a liquid drinker prior to this. I don't leave the house without a

water bottle. If it's going to be all day, I take 3 of them (48 oz.)

As to eating a little more, and then losing. It really boggles me, but it

does work. Many on here have said just that. I do make sure I eat enough

protein, but don't always get all the meals in. I was really stuck, and

sort-of bummed, so started getting all the food in and it started moving

again. Without this site, I wouldn't have known to do that!

I'm curious too about hormones. If fat does store estrogen, then what

happens after losing so much fat? Anyone here know??

Joan

LAP RNY 11/18/03

Dr. Higa, Fresno, CA

282pre-op/275surg/240/140

[Guest guest]

Mandy, oh good one! LOL. You do me so much good! Happy New Year to you

too. Grandbaby up from a very late nap, so back to playing with toys for

me.

Joan

LAP RNY 11/18/03

Dr. Higa, Fresno, CA

282pre-op/275surg/240/140

Re: liquids, plateau, and

hormones....what a trio!

In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:33:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jclinton@... writes:

> If fat does store estrogen, then what

> happens after losing so much fat? Anyone here know??

>

I' read somewhere, when the fat runs out ... you become a man ...

lol....just teasing you Joan !!! Happy New Year Kiddo ... **

Skinny Wishes from Mandy in CA

275/146/126

[Guest guest]

Mandy, oh good one! LOL. You do me so much good! Happy New Year to you

too. Grandbaby up from a very late nap, so back to playing with toys for

me.

Joan

LAP RNY 11/18/03

Dr. Higa, Fresno, CA

282pre-op/275surg/240/140

Re: liquids, plateau, and

hormones....what a trio!

In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:33:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jclinton@... writes:

> If fat does store estrogen, then what

> happens after losing so much fat? Anyone here know??

>

I' read somewhere, when the fat runs out ... you become a man ...

lol....just teasing you Joan !!! Happy New Year Kiddo ... **

Skinny Wishes from Mandy in CA

275/146/126

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan! I think I've found a bit of info on the estrogen!

My group leader loaned me a book pre-op that I happened to be looking

at again tonight. It's the Boasten book Weight Loss Surgery -

Understanding & Overcoming Morbid Obesity. p 145 in the post op

adjustments section:

" The Estrogen Adjustments: Estrogen is stored in the fat cells. As

you lose weight rapidly, estrogen is free-flowing. This free-flowing

estrogen can create several significant problems; hair loss,

contraceptive failure, fertility issues, depression, mood swings,

nausea and period changes. Your gynecologist or PCP should monitor

your estrogen levels. In some cases, you may need hormone therapy for

a few months while the weight loss is the most rapid. "

Estrogen running amok. What a concept!

Paige

lap RNY

12/11/03

399/370/200-175

Western Colorado

Dr. Dickinson

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan! I think I've found a bit of info on the estrogen!

My group leader loaned me a book pre-op that I happened to be looking

at again tonight. It's the Boasten book Weight Loss Surgery -

Understanding & Overcoming Morbid Obesity. p 145 in the post op

adjustments section:

" The Estrogen Adjustments: Estrogen is stored in the fat cells. As

you lose weight rapidly, estrogen is free-flowing. This free-flowing

estrogen can create several significant problems; hair loss,

contraceptive failure, fertility issues, depression, mood swings,

nausea and period changes. Your gynecologist or PCP should monitor

your estrogen levels. In some cases, you may need hormone therapy for

a few months while the weight loss is the most rapid. "

Estrogen running amok. What a concept!

Paige

lap RNY

12/11/03

399/370/200-175

Western Colorado

Dr. Dickinson

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:00:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jclinton@... writes:

> Grandbaby up from a very late nap, so back to playing with toys for

> me.

>

ummmm... let me see, playing with toys ... does that count toward your daily

exercise goal Joan?? Indeed it does. Playing board games while sitting

burns 1 cal per minute .. and walking/running after kids ....burns ... 4cals per

minute!!!

I remember when mine were little ... a " long nap " was a gift from heaven in

those days....

Skinny Wishes from Mandy in CA

275/146/126

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:00:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jclinton@... writes:

> Grandbaby up from a very late nap, so back to playing with toys for

> me.

>

ummmm... let me see, playing with toys ... does that count toward your daily

exercise goal Joan?? Indeed it does. Playing board games while sitting

burns 1 cal per minute .. and walking/running after kids ....burns ... 4cals per

minute!!!

I remember when mine were little ... a " long nap " was a gift from heaven in

those days....

Skinny Wishes from Mandy in CA

275/146/126

[Guest guest]

OMG.....you actually found the calories burned by playing board games!!!

The nice thing was, is was easier than before to get down....but I didn't

feel like a cow trying to get up. I was pretty proud of myself. I wish

she'd nap, but she doesn't want to miss anything and 5 out of 7 days she

doesn't nap. She gets a bit cranky in the later afternoon. But at least

we've had two pretty good nights (only got up twice each night and she fell

right back asleep). Before it was waking up every hour, and then up for

good at 4:00-5:00a.m. even though she didn't go to bed until 11:00pm. Her

mom comes today to get her, but I'm going to assume it'll be late in the

day.

Well, I'm going to go sit down with her, and burn off 1 calorie a minute!!

Joan

LAP RNY 11/18/03

Dr. Higa, Fresno, CA

282pre-op/275surg/239/140

[Guest guest]

OMG.....you actually found the calories burned by playing board games!!!

The nice thing was, is was easier than before to get down....but I didn't

feel like a cow trying to get up. I was pretty proud of myself. I wish

she'd nap, but she doesn't want to miss anything and 5 out of 7 days she

doesn't nap. She gets a bit cranky in the later afternoon. But at least

we've had two pretty good nights (only got up twice each night and she fell

right back asleep). Before it was waking up every hour, and then up for

good at 4:00-5:00a.m. even though she didn't go to bed until 11:00pm. Her

mom comes today to get her, but I'm going to assume it'll be late in the

day.

Well, I'm going to go sit down with her, and burn off 1 calorie a minute!!

Joan

LAP RNY 11/18/03

Dr. Higa, Fresno, CA

282pre-op/275surg/239/140

[Guest guest]

> Paige, thank you so much! I had been told about the depression,

but hadn't

> equated it to the estrogen. It makes sense. I didn't know it

affected your

> hair loss either. I'm going to print this out and keep it on hand.

> Thanks!!

>

> Joan

You're so welcome, Joan!

I found some more info this morning. Gotta love the internet for

being such a great resource.

Apparently, too much estrogen doesn't just unbalance your hormones. I

was reading that it also unbalances trace minerals. The one I found

mentioned on several different sites that really caught my eye was

the zinc to copper ratio. Estrogen in high levels apparently causes

copper to rise so the zinc is lower....and the weird thing was, my

Dr.'s office suggests zinc to help with/help prevent hair loss. I'm

not sure how much it helps, but I know of at least one person who

says it makes a big difference for her. Interesting coincidence I

thought!

I also found an interesting correlation with the articles I found

that talks about women who are overweight being more predisposed to

cancers in general. And the more overweight you are, the higher the

incidence. I remember something from school about increased copper

levels having an association with cancer formation. So if fat stores

estrogen, and extra estrogen increases copper, and if copper is

implicated in cancers....wow. Talk about sobering! But, then again,

it's another great thing about this surgery...the more fat cells you

lose the less risk? I'm not a scientist, but it seemed to make sense!

Another interesting imbalance estrogen can cause apparently is a

sodium imbalance. The way one article read, the estrogen causes the

body to store sodium....and then we retain water. The heavier one

gets/more estrogen stored, the higher the rate of sodium retention

and the more swelling we get from the water retention. I always

wondered why the more I weighed, the more swelling I had --(even when

I had no heart or blood pressure problems.)

And I won't even go into the chin whiskers thing! LOL

The up side of excess estrogen though, my Dr. told me years ago that

at least with being overweight, I'd likely have great bones. Bad

joints, but good bones. LOL

Thanks for the discussion about the hormones Joan...the thoughts you

had really piqued my interest! There sure is a lot of intriguing

information out there on it.

Paige

[Guest guest]

> Paige, thank you so much! I had been told about the depression,

but hadn't

> equated it to the estrogen. It makes sense. I didn't know it

affected your

> hair loss either. I'm going to print this out and keep it on hand.

> Thanks!!

>

> Joan

You're so welcome, Joan!

I found some more info this morning. Gotta love the internet for

being such a great resource.

Apparently, too much estrogen doesn't just unbalance your hormones. I

was reading that it also unbalances trace minerals. The one I found

mentioned on several different sites that really caught my eye was

the zinc to copper ratio. Estrogen in high levels apparently causes

copper to rise so the zinc is lower....and the weird thing was, my

Dr.'s office suggests zinc to help with/help prevent hair loss. I'm

not sure how much it helps, but I know of at least one person who

says it makes a big difference for her. Interesting coincidence I

thought!

I also found an interesting correlation with the articles I found

that talks about women who are overweight being more predisposed to

cancers in general. And the more overweight you are, the higher the

incidence. I remember something from school about increased copper

levels having an association with cancer formation. So if fat stores

estrogen, and extra estrogen increases copper, and if copper is

implicated in cancers....wow. Talk about sobering! But, then again,

it's another great thing about this surgery...the more fat cells you

lose the less risk? I'm not a scientist, but it seemed to make sense!

Another interesting imbalance estrogen can cause apparently is a

sodium imbalance. The way one article read, the estrogen causes the

body to store sodium....and then we retain water. The heavier one

gets/more estrogen stored, the higher the rate of sodium retention

and the more swelling we get from the water retention. I always

wondered why the more I weighed, the more swelling I had --(even when

I had no heart or blood pressure problems.)

And I won't even go into the chin whiskers thing! LOL

The up side of excess estrogen though, my Dr. told me years ago that

at least with being overweight, I'd likely have great bones. Bad

joints, but good bones. LOL

Thanks for the discussion about the hormones Joan...the thoughts you

had really piqued my interest! There sure is a lot of intriguing

information out there on it.

Paige