Re: with all the opinions i'm reading

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I am going thru the same thing. making a final

decision is driving me crazy. I am concerned about the

way it will turn out also. I am 3 weeks away from

surgery and still deciding

--- alex boyd wrote:

>

> this surgery sounds like torture. i'm beginning to

> think i'm crazy for even

> considering it for my underdeveloped jaw. my bite is

> normal and my teeth are

> already straight from braces. i was just very

> insecure about my jaw line and

> no chin. but, all this stuff sounds crazy. my ent

> said it would be the best

> thing in the world for me, but i'm starting to

> doubt. my oral surgeon is a

> great friendly doctor that has a plan set for me but

> who knows if i'll end

> up off allignment and numb and depressed like so

> many people. i guess i have

> to make some kind of decision though.

>

> >

> >Reply-To:

> orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: to

> do or not to do...

> >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:56:58 -0000

> >

> >

> >Nate, I don't envy your decision. What you decide

> could affect the

> >rest of your life. While complications from surgery

> can happen they

> >are not common. If your open bite is not too bad

> you may want to opt

> >for braces if they think it will get rid of the jaw

> aches. people have

> >lived for a long time with slight crossbite issues

> that didn't cause

> >them to lose their teeth prematurely however the

> open bite puts undue

> >stress on the molars and probably is what is

> causing the pain.

> >Everyone here will have a different opinion based

> on their case and

> >the results they achieved. some ended up trading

> one problem for

> >another while many achieved the results they wanted

> trouble free. When

> >I got my braces I had a bad overbite and they were

> able to minimize it

> >leaving my bite fine but not perfect. they told me

> I had to decide at

> >that time (1987) if I wanted to have surgery so

> they could adjust the

> >correct amount. I opted out and all worked out

> fine. good luck on your

> >decision and remember the more " professional "

> opinions you get the

> >better you'll be able to make the tough decisions.

> eric

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have

> slight muscle pain in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an

> openbite/crossbite. I have been to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten

> several different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think

> that to get optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery

> combination. There are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they

> could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this

> braces-alone-option is considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists

> I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not

> everyone out there thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time,

> weight loss, nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks

> that can offset the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing

> however, I have to get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another.

> Thanks for your help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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I am going thru the same thing. making a final

decision is driving me crazy. I am concerned about the

way it will turn out also. I am 3 weeks away from

surgery and still deciding

--- alex boyd wrote:

>

> this surgery sounds like torture. i'm beginning to

> think i'm crazy for even

> considering it for my underdeveloped jaw. my bite is

> normal and my teeth are

> already straight from braces. i was just very

> insecure about my jaw line and

> no chin. but, all this stuff sounds crazy. my ent

> said it would be the best

> thing in the world for me, but i'm starting to

> doubt. my oral surgeon is a

> great friendly doctor that has a plan set for me but

> who knows if i'll end

> up off allignment and numb and depressed like so

> many people. i guess i have

> to make some kind of decision though.

>

> >

> >Reply-To:

> orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: to

> do or not to do...

> >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:56:58 -0000

> >

> >

> >Nate, I don't envy your decision. What you decide

> could affect the

> >rest of your life. While complications from surgery

> can happen they

> >are not common. If your open bite is not too bad

> you may want to opt

> >for braces if they think it will get rid of the jaw

> aches. people have

> >lived for a long time with slight crossbite issues

> that didn't cause

> >them to lose their teeth prematurely however the

> open bite puts undue

> >stress on the molars and probably is what is

> causing the pain.

> >Everyone here will have a different opinion based

> on their case and

> >the results they achieved. some ended up trading

> one problem for

> >another while many achieved the results they wanted

> trouble free. When

> >I got my braces I had a bad overbite and they were

> able to minimize it

> >leaving my bite fine but not perfect. they told me

> I had to decide at

> >that time (1987) if I wanted to have surgery so

> they could adjust the

> >correct amount. I opted out and all worked out

> fine. good luck on your

> >decision and remember the more " professional "

> opinions you get the

> >better you'll be able to make the tough decisions.

> eric

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have

> slight muscle pain in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an

> openbite/crossbite. I have been to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten

> several different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think

> that to get optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery

> combination. There are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they

> could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this

> braces-alone-option is considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists

> I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not

> everyone out there thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time,

> weight loss, nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks

> that can offset the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing

> however, I have to get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another.

> Thanks for your help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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alex, just as an aside i want to say i also have/had a weak chin. I

had genioplasty(8mm advancement) along with bimax that gave me a

little chin. Insurance didn't cover it but I think it was the part

that worked out best for me. while I don't have a strong chin I at

least have one now. I also found that my posture (tilting my head up)

made it worse so i've been working on stretching the back neck muscles

to allow me to look more forward and my chin gets even more

pronounced. You might consider this an option also. Genioplasty isn't

usually covered by insurance due to its cosmetic nature. my portion

was around 2100 to have it done in conjuction with ortho surgery so as

a stand alone probably around 6000. good luck with your decision.

eric

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle pain

in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have to

get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

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alex, just as an aside i want to say i also have/had a weak chin. I

had genioplasty(8mm advancement) along with bimax that gave me a

little chin. Insurance didn't cover it but I think it was the part

that worked out best for me. while I don't have a strong chin I at

least have one now. I also found that my posture (tilting my head up)

made it worse so i've been working on stretching the back neck muscles

to allow me to look more forward and my chin gets even more

pronounced. You might consider this an option also. Genioplasty isn't

usually covered by insurance due to its cosmetic nature. my portion

was around 2100 to have it done in conjuction with ortho surgery so as

a stand alone probably around 6000. good luck with your decision.

eric

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle pain

in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have to

get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

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:

I know it is a tough decision for you. I've read positive and the

negative. I can say I feel better with the way that I look than

before. My lower was retrusive and gave me a more rounded face. Now

it's longer and I really notice the difference especially on videos

and of course you have seen the comparison photos.

If I had it to do over again I would only do the lower. I think this

is where most of the improvement to the appearance occurs anyway. I

don't know if you have that as an option like I did. Each person is

different and responds to the surgery differently, but just what I

have experienced, I think there is more risk with the upper than what

is mentioned by the surgeons, at least with what mine told me.

The only thing with the lower is the numbness issue. I still have

some of the lingering numbness and I'm told it can even improve more

over the next year or so. It doesn't really bother me and I would

have traded that for the better looks, but I would not have traded

the looks with what I have been through with my nose and voice.

mark

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

pain in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have

to get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

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:

I know it is a tough decision for you. I've read positive and the

negative. I can say I feel better with the way that I look than

before. My lower was retrusive and gave me a more rounded face. Now

it's longer and I really notice the difference especially on videos

and of course you have seen the comparison photos.

If I had it to do over again I would only do the lower. I think this

is where most of the improvement to the appearance occurs anyway. I

don't know if you have that as an option like I did. Each person is

different and responds to the surgery differently, but just what I

have experienced, I think there is more risk with the upper than what

is mentioned by the surgeons, at least with what mine told me.

The only thing with the lower is the numbness issue. I still have

some of the lingering numbness and I'm told it can even improve more

over the next year or so. It doesn't really bother me and I would

have traded that for the better looks, but I would not have traded

the looks with what I have been through with my nose and voice.

mark

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

pain in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have

to get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

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I think this site is very educational, but sometimes more graphic

than one might want before having surgery. This site gives you a

look at what's coming and what to look for after surgery since most

of the time you don't get the whole story for the doctors unless you

ask all the right (specific) questions.

You need to weigh the pluses and minuses for yourself and then

decide if surgery is right for you.

I recently had my ACL reconstructed in my knee and had depression

after that surgery as well, since I was a very active person and I

have not been able to do the things I was able to before.

Surgery is not fun! But from reading the posts most people are

please with their results and would go throught it again.

With any surgery there are ups and downs, and you need to weigh

those and decided what's good for you.

I am having upper and genio in November and have needed to put

everything in perspective expecially having 2 surgeries in one year.

Nobody can make the decision for you. But this site helps you know

what you can expect.

> > > >

> > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

> pain in

> > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have

been

> to

> > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

different

> > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

> optimal

> > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

There

> are

> > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> considered a

> > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

> thinks

> > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

> nerve

> > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

the

> > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

have

> to get

> > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

your

> help.

> > > >

> > > > -nate

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

I think this site is very educational, but sometimes more graphic

than one might want before having surgery. This site gives you a

look at what's coming and what to look for after surgery since most

of the time you don't get the whole story for the doctors unless you

ask all the right (specific) questions.

You need to weigh the pluses and minuses for yourself and then

decide if surgery is right for you.

I recently had my ACL reconstructed in my knee and had depression

after that surgery as well, since I was a very active person and I

have not been able to do the things I was able to before.

Surgery is not fun! But from reading the posts most people are

please with their results and would go throught it again.

With any surgery there are ups and downs, and you need to weigh

those and decided what's good for you.

I am having upper and genio in November and have needed to put

everything in perspective expecially having 2 surgeries in one year.

Nobody can make the decision for you. But this site helps you know

what you can expect.

> > > >

> > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

> pain in

> > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have

been

> to

> > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

different

> > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

> optimal

> > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

There

> are

> > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> considered a

> > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

> thinks

> > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

> nerve

> > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

the

> > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

have

> to get

> > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

your

> help.

> > > >

> > > > -nate

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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thanks eric,

do you have any pictures of your chin now?

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: with all the opinions i'm

>reading

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:22:03 -0000

>

>

>alex, just as an aside i want to say i also have/had a weak chin. I

>had genioplasty(8mm advancement) along with bimax that gave me a

>little chin. Insurance didn't cover it but I think it was the part

>that worked out best for me. while I don't have a strong chin I at

>least have one now. I also found that my posture (tilting my head up)

>made it worse so i've been working on stretching the back neck muscles

>to allow me to look more forward and my chin gets even more

>pronounced. You might consider this an option also. Genioplasty isn't

>usually covered by insurance due to its cosmetic nature. my portion

>was around 2100 to have it done in conjuction with ortho surgery so as

>a stand alone probably around 6000. good luck with your decision.

>

>eric

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle pain

>in

> > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

>to

> > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

>optimal

> > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

>are

> > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

>considered a

> > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

>thinks

> > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

>nerve

> > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have to

>get

> > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

>help.

> > > >

> > > > -nate

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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thanks eric,

do you have any pictures of your chin now?

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: with all the opinions i'm

>reading

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:22:03 -0000

>

>

>alex, just as an aside i want to say i also have/had a weak chin. I

>had genioplasty(8mm advancement) along with bimax that gave me a

>little chin. Insurance didn't cover it but I think it was the part

>that worked out best for me. while I don't have a strong chin I at

>least have one now. I also found that my posture (tilting my head up)

>made it worse so i've been working on stretching the back neck muscles

>to allow me to look more forward and my chin gets even more

>pronounced. You might consider this an option also. Genioplasty isn't

>usually covered by insurance due to its cosmetic nature. my portion

>was around 2100 to have it done in conjuction with ortho surgery so as

>a stand alone probably around 6000. good luck with your decision.

>

>eric

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle pain

>in

> > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

>to

> > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

>optimal

> > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

>are

> > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

>considered a

> > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

>thinks

> > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

>nerve

> > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have to

>get

> > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

>help.

> > > >

> > > > -nate

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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i don't think just lower is an option because if they move my lower foward,

it will surpass my upper. i talked to a lady at church today that had

upper/lower and she's pleased with no after effects. i still am in limbo.

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: with all the opinions i'm

>reading

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:21:42 -0000

>

>

>

>:

>

>I know it is a tough decision for you. I've read positive and the

>negative. I can say I feel better with the way that I look than

>before. My lower was retrusive and gave me a more rounded face. Now

>it's longer and I really notice the difference especially on videos

>and of course you have seen the comparison photos.

>

>If I had it to do over again I would only do the lower. I think this

>is where most of the improvement to the appearance occurs anyway. I

>don't know if you have that as an option like I did. Each person is

>different and responds to the surgery differently, but just what I

>have experienced, I think there is more risk with the upper than what

>is mentioned by the surgeons, at least with what mine told me.

>

>The only thing with the lower is the numbness issue. I still have

>some of the lingering numbness and I'm told it can even improve more

>over the next year or so. It doesn't really bother me and I would

>have traded that for the better looks, but I would not have traded

>the looks with what I have been through with my nose and voice.

>

>mark

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

>pain in

> > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

>to

> > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

>optimal

> > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

>are

> > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

>considered a

> > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

>thinks

> > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

>nerve

> > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have

>to get

> > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

>help.

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i don't think just lower is an option because if they move my lower foward,

it will surpass my upper. i talked to a lady at church today that had

upper/lower and she's pleased with no after effects. i still am in limbo.

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: with all the opinions i'm

>reading

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:21:42 -0000

>

>

>

>:

>

>I know it is a tough decision for you. I've read positive and the

>negative. I can say I feel better with the way that I look than

>before. My lower was retrusive and gave me a more rounded face. Now

>it's longer and I really notice the difference especially on videos

>and of course you have seen the comparison photos.

>

>If I had it to do over again I would only do the lower. I think this

>is where most of the improvement to the appearance occurs anyway. I

>don't know if you have that as an option like I did. Each person is

>different and responds to the surgery differently, but just what I

>have experienced, I think there is more risk with the upper than what

>is mentioned by the surgeons, at least with what mine told me.

>

>The only thing with the lower is the numbness issue. I still have

>some of the lingering numbness and I'm told it can even improve more

>over the next year or so. It doesn't really bother me and I would

>have traded that for the better looks, but I would not have traded

>the looks with what I have been through with my nose and voice.

>

>mark

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

>pain in

> > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

>to

> > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several different

> > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

>optimal

> > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination. There

>are

> > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

>considered a

> > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

>thinks

> > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

>nerve

> > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset the

> > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have

>to get

> > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

>help.

> > > >

> > > > -nate

> > >

> > >

> > >

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alex, sorry I've yet to get a digital camera. I took some regular

photos and noticed that from the base of my chin it used to go at a 45

degree angle to my adams apple. it now goes back about an inch before

going down at 45 deg. from the front it has a little kirk douglas

thing and looks a little pointier. it's not a dramatic change but an

improvement. eric

> > > > >

> > > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

pain

> >in

> > > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have

been

> >to

> > > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

different

> > > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

> >optimal

> > > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

There

> >are

> > > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve

the

> > > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> >considered a

> > > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

> >thinks

> > > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

> >nerve

> > > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

the

> > > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

have to

> >get

> > > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

your

> >help.

> > > > >

> > > > > -nate

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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alex, sorry I've yet to get a digital camera. I took some regular

photos and noticed that from the base of my chin it used to go at a 45

degree angle to my adams apple. it now goes back about an inch before

going down at 45 deg. from the front it has a little kirk douglas

thing and looks a little pointier. it's not a dramatic change but an

improvement. eric

> > > > >

> > > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

pain

> >in

> > > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have

been

> >to

> > > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

different

> > > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

> >optimal

> > > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

There

> >are

> > > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve

the

> > > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> >considered a

> > > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

> >thinks

> > > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

> >nerve

> > > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

the

> > > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

have to

> >get

> > > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

your

> >help.

> > > > >

> > > > > -nate

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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how far was your lower advanced? and i forgot if you got a genio?

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ]

>Re: with all the opinions i'm reading

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:34:37 -0000

>

>

>alex, sorry I've yet to get a digital camera. I took some regular

>photos and noticed that from the base of my chin it used to go at a 45

>degree angle to my adams apple. it now goes back about an inch before

>going down at 45 deg. from the front it has a little kirk douglas

>thing and looks a little pointier. it's not a dramatic change but an

>improvement. eric

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

>pain

> > >in

> > > > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have

>been

> > >to

> > > > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

>different

> > > > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

> > >optimal

> > > > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

>There

> > >are

> > > > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve

>the

> > > > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> > >considered a

> > > > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

> > >thinks

> > > > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

> > >nerve

> > > > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

>the

> > > > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

>have to

> > >get

> > > > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

>your

> > >help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -nate

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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how far was your lower advanced? and i forgot if you got a genio?

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ]

>Re: with all the opinions i'm reading

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:34:37 -0000

>

>

>alex, sorry I've yet to get a digital camera. I took some regular

>photos and noticed that from the base of my chin it used to go at a 45

>degree angle to my adams apple. it now goes back about an inch before

>going down at 45 deg. from the front it has a little kirk douglas

>thing and looks a little pointier. it's not a dramatic change but an

>improvement. eric

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

>pain

> > >in

> > > > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have

>been

> > >to

> > > > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

>different

> > > > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

> > >optimal

> > > > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

>There

> > >are

> > > > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve

>the

> > > > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> > >considered a

> > > > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

> > >thinks

> > > > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

> > >nerve

> > > > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

>the

> > > > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

>have to

> > >get

> > > > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

>your

> > >help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -nate

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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,

8mm lower, 8mm upper and 8mm genio.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight

muscle

> >pain

> > > >in

> > > > > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I

have

> >been

> > > >to

> > > > > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

> >different

> > > > > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to

get

> > > >optimal

> > > > > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

> >There

> > > >are

> > > > > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could

solve

> >the

> > > > > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> > > >considered a

> > > > > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been

to).

> > > > > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out

there

> > > >thinks

> > > > > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight

loss,

> > > >nerve

> > > > > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can

offset

> >the

> > > > > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

> >have to

> > > >get

> > > > > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

> >your

> > > >help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -nate

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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,

8mm lower, 8mm upper and 8mm genio.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight

muscle

> >pain

> > > >in

> > > > > > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I

have

> >been

> > > >to

> > > > > > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

> >different

> > > > > > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to

get

> > > >optimal

> > > > > > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

> >There

> > > >are

> > > > > > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could

solve

> >the

> > > > > > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

> > > >considered a

> > > > > > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been

to).

> > > > > > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out

there

> > > >thinks

> > > > > > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight

loss,

> > > >nerve

> > > > > > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can

offset

> >the

> > > > > > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I

> >have to

> > > >get

> > > > > > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for

> >your

> > > >help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -nate

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Hi ,

While I'm in the throngs of a slow recovery process I'd now say no

to the surgery BUT when this is all over I'm sure I'll be able to

say that I am happy I did it. I don't know if you read my first

posting but it was a cry for help and support. This is a tough road

but the successes of others will help us through. I'm relieved to

have found this support group, no one understands unless they've

gone through these procedures and when a little time passes I hope

to be able to help someone else over the rough spots.

Carole Anne

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

pain in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

There are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have

to get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi ,

While I'm in the throngs of a slow recovery process I'd now say no

to the surgery BUT when this is all over I'm sure I'll be able to

say that I am happy I did it. I don't know if you read my first

posting but it was a cry for help and support. This is a tough road

but the successes of others will help us through. I'm relieved to

have found this support group, no one understands unless they've

gone through these procedures and when a little time passes I hope

to be able to help someone else over the rough spots.

Carole Anne

> > >

> > > I am truly at a crossroads right now. I have slight muscle

pain in

> > > my jaw everyday and I have an openbite/crossbite. I have been

to

> > > several orthodontist and have therefore gotten several

different

> > > opinions. Most of the doctors, however, think that to get

optimal

> > > results I should go with the braces/surgery combination.

There are

> > > about 2 orthodontist, however, that feel they could solve the

> > > problem with braces alone (this braces-alone-option is

considered a

> > > compromise by most of the other orthodontists I've been to).

> > > Ultimately, my question is whether or not everyone out there

thinks

> > > surgery is worth it with all the recover time, weight loss,

nerve

> > > problems, numbness problems, and other risks that can offset

the

> > > benefits of the surgery. I do know one thing however, I have

to get

> > > my bite problem resolved one way or another. Thanks for your

help.

> > >

> > > -nate

> >

> >

> >

>

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