Re: obcession may be panic attack

[Guest guest]

Non-compliance really

just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for

panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

without

the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back

into

the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what

it

cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

season

without planting the seeds and watering them

daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I am

tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds! HUMMMMMMMM

NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE! LOL

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

[Guest guest]

Non-compliance really

just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for

panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

without

the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back

into

the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what

it

cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

season

without planting the seeds and watering them

daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I am

tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds! HUMMMMMMMM

NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE! LOL

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

[Guest guest]

.. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE

Hi Debbie,

I'm pretty sure you just wrote this about me. Aren't panic attacks wonderful?

What a horrible thing to have. My heart goes out to you.

Gaylene

[Guest guest]

.. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE

Hi Debbie,

I'm pretty sure you just wrote this about me. Aren't panic attacks wonderful?

What a horrible thing to have. My heart goes out to you.

Gaylene

[Guest guest]

<< My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

address it directly.

It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

anyone.

Ziobro >>

**this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not certain

about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do know

there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain (sp), and

for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of the

glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that occlude

the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such as

cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive underwear,

sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not good

for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's sexuality is

part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he takes

meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his owner to

be happy.

love,

ceep

[Guest guest]

<< My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

address it directly.

It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

anyone.

Ziobro >>

**this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not certain

about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do know

there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain (sp), and

for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of the

glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that occlude

the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such as

cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive underwear,

sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not good

for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's sexuality is

part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he takes

meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his owner to

be happy.

love,

ceep

[Guest guest]

Debbie, I'm in the same boat. Actually, during childhood, I thought

feeling miserable was normal. And it is for me when I choose to be off

of meds. I was able to do without meds for about a year after surgery.

Actually I was on meds for 6 months then off of them for about a year.

Finally decided I was getting tired of abusing myself. I was getting the

stinking thinking back with the eating. I wasn't remembering to take my

other meds which is not a good thing. I am now a happier camper.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:19:29 -0800 " Debbie McNeice "

writes:

> Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I

> am

> tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds!

> HUMMMMMMMM

> NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

> myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I

> don't

> remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and

> frequently

> depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they

> had

> better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

> treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE!

> LOL

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor

> ladybostons@...

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie, I'm in the same boat. Actually, during childhood, I thought

feeling miserable was normal. And it is for me when I choose to be off

of meds. I was able to do without meds for about a year after surgery.

Actually I was on meds for 6 months then off of them for about a year.

Finally decided I was getting tired of abusing myself. I was getting the

stinking thinking back with the eating. I wasn't remembering to take my

other meds which is not a good thing. I am now a happier camper.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:19:29 -0800 " Debbie McNeice "

writes:

> Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I

> am

> tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds!

> HUMMMMMMMM

> NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

> myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I

> don't

> remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and

> frequently

> depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they

> had

> better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

> treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE!

> LOL

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor

> ladybostons@...

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie and Gaylene:

I can relate so well to what you are talking about. All my life I have had a

combination of depression, agitation and panic attacks. I assumed the

depression and agitation were just evidence that I could not get my act together

and was just lazy and inept, and should be able to just pull myself up by my

bootstraps and get on with it.

It was only about 4 years ago (I am now 52) that I was diagnosed as bi-polar.

It took me over two years of dogged persistance to find a combination of drugs

that worked. Not only has the depression and agitation become manageable, but

the panic attacks happen very seldom, and I can usually head them off at the

pass if I am paying attention.

I have been in therapy off and on since I was six years old. I have put my

heart and soul into getting better, but it wasn't until after the meds, that

counselling actually worked. I am now more able to focus on the problem at hand

and follow through, with lasting effects, where before, no matter how hard I

worked, I would get better for awhile and then totally crash, and forget

everything I ever learned in therapy. Even now, if I am in the middle of a

full-blown manic episode, there is nothing anyone can say to me to help.

Fortunately I have learned how to pay close attention to my body and prevent the

more extreme episodes.

So, in summary, all I have to say is that if it's chemical, it's chemical. I

feel so fortunate that there are meds available now that can help me. I'm a

little like Debbie in that I managed to sort of muddle through until I was about

40, and then I just couldn't do it on my own anymore. Life is good now. Not

only am I relatively sane, but I am thin! What a deal!

BarbaraJean

Re: obcession may be panic attack

. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE

Hi Debbie,

I'm pretty sure you just wrote this about me. Aren't panic attacks wonderful?

What a horrible thing to have. My heart goes out to you.

Gaylene

[Guest guest]

Debbie and Gaylene:

I can relate so well to what you are talking about. All my life I have had a

combination of depression, agitation and panic attacks. I assumed the

depression and agitation were just evidence that I could not get my act together

and was just lazy and inept, and should be able to just pull myself up by my

bootstraps and get on with it.

It was only about 4 years ago (I am now 52) that I was diagnosed as bi-polar.

It took me over two years of dogged persistance to find a combination of drugs

that worked. Not only has the depression and agitation become manageable, but

the panic attacks happen very seldom, and I can usually head them off at the

pass if I am paying attention.

I have been in therapy off and on since I was six years old. I have put my

heart and soul into getting better, but it wasn't until after the meds, that

counselling actually worked. I am now more able to focus on the problem at hand

and follow through, with lasting effects, where before, no matter how hard I

worked, I would get better for awhile and then totally crash, and forget

everything I ever learned in therapy. Even now, if I am in the middle of a

full-blown manic episode, there is nothing anyone can say to me to help.

Fortunately I have learned how to pay close attention to my body and prevent the

more extreme episodes.

So, in summary, all I have to say is that if it's chemical, it's chemical. I

feel so fortunate that there are meds available now that can help me. I'm a

little like Debbie in that I managed to sort of muddle through until I was about

40, and then I just couldn't do it on my own anymore. Life is good now. Not

only am I relatively sane, but I am thin! What a deal!

BarbaraJean

Re: obcession may be panic attack

. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE

Hi Debbie,

I'm pretty sure you just wrote this about me. Aren't panic attacks wonderful?

What a horrible thing to have. My heart goes out to you.

Gaylene

[Guest guest]

My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

address it directly.

It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

anyone.

Ziobro

Open RNY 09/17/01

310/127/130

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=M987208445

RE: obcession may be panic attack

Non-compliance really

just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for

panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

without

the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back

into

the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what

it

cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

season

without planting the seeds and watering them

daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I am

tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds! HUMMMMMMMM

NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE! LOL

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

address it directly.

It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

anyone.

Ziobro

Open RNY 09/17/01

310/127/130

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=M987208445

RE: obcession may be panic attack

Non-compliance really

just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for

panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

without

the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back

into

the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what

it

cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

season

without planting the seeds and watering them

daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I am

tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds! HUMMMMMMMM

NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE! LOL

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

Many antidepressants also have the same effect on women. If you think men have

it tough getting a Dr. to take this seriously, can you imagine how loud a woman

has to yell to get a doctor to pay attention to her? I have still not found

anyone interested in dealing with this problem (not even female doctors). At

the moment, I am not in a relationship, so I don't care. On the other hand,

maybe that's part of the reason I'm not in a relationship.

BarbaraJean

Re: obcession may be panic attack

<< My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

address it directly.

It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

anyone.

Ziobro >>

**this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not certain

about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do know

there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain (sp), and

for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of the

glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that occlude

the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such as

cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive underwear,

sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not good

for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's sexuality is

part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he takes

meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his owner to

be happy.

love,

ceep

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

Many antidepressants also have the same effect on women. If you think men have

it tough getting a Dr. to take this seriously, can you imagine how loud a woman

has to yell to get a doctor to pay attention to her? I have still not found

anyone interested in dealing with this problem (not even female doctors). At

the moment, I am not in a relationship, so I don't care. On the other hand,

maybe that's part of the reason I'm not in a relationship.

BarbaraJean

Re: obcession may be panic attack

<< My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

address it directly.

It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

anyone.

Ziobro >>

**this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not certain

about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do know

there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain (sp), and

for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of the

glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that occlude

the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such as

cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive underwear,

sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not good

for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's sexuality is

part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he takes

meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his owner to

be happy.

love,

ceep

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

You know, I thought everyone felt this way. I never knew that there was

anyother way to feel. I didn't feel miserable all the time, but in times

of stress things could get really bad. Had my first full blown panic

attack (complete with raised blood pressure, cold sweats, heart pounding

in my ears, convinced that I was dying) when my " then " husband came back

from a particularly BAD deployment where hubby rarely wrote, never

called and when his captain's wife told her husband that he wasn't

writing or calling he blamed me. I never knew she had told her husband.

I didn't find out until they had been home several months. I couldn't

figure out why he was angry with me. Good thing he is an EX. Second one

was right after he told me he didn't love me anymore. I went in for

counceling....sure needed help then.

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

[Guest guest]

You know, I thought everyone felt this way. I never knew that there was

anyother way to feel. I didn't feel miserable all the time, but in times

of stress things could get really bad. Had my first full blown panic

attack (complete with raised blood pressure, cold sweats, heart pounding

in my ears, convinced that I was dying) when my " then " husband came back

from a particularly BAD deployment where hubby rarely wrote, never

called and when his captain's wife told her husband that he wasn't

writing or calling he blamed me. I never knew she had told her husband.

I didn't find out until they had been home several months. I couldn't

figure out why he was angry with me. Good thing he is an EX. Second one

was right after he told me he didn't love me anymore. I went in for

counceling....sure needed help then.

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

[Guest guest]

A bunch of years ago, when they were first deciding to put me on

anti-depressants they " tested " me to see if I was bi-polar. I have

periods of high activity followed by periods of no activity. I rarely

have in betweens. The councilor I was seeing at the time said I wasn't

bi-polar. For me the activity levels aren't followed by depression...or

even seem to be connected. Even though, when I am taking my

anti-depressants my activity levels seem more level. So now....I am

trying to be compulsive about remembering my meds. The middle of the

daytime ones are the hardest. So I have programed my palm pilot to

remind me daily.

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

[Guest guest]

A bunch of years ago, when they were first deciding to put me on

anti-depressants they " tested " me to see if I was bi-polar. I have

periods of high activity followed by periods of no activity. I rarely

have in betweens. The councilor I was seeing at the time said I wasn't

bi-polar. For me the activity levels aren't followed by depression...or

even seem to be connected. Even though, when I am taking my

anti-depressants my activity levels seem more level. So now....I am

trying to be compulsive about remembering my meds. The middle of the

daytime ones are the hardest. So I have programed my palm pilot to

remind me daily.

Debbie in Gig Harbor

ladybostons@...

[Guest guest]

Boy do I understand about not taking my meds. If I only take meds one

time a day, I remember a lot more often. However, my anti-depressant

requires two doses a day. There are a couple of things I do. One is I

have told enough people about my inability to remember that I know

remember because I don't want to have to tell them I am forgetting. The

second is I have a medication box. It actually has enough spaces for 4

doses of meds a day. Since I only take meds twice a day, I actually can

fill up the box for 2 weeks at a time. Thirdly, I have split my

supplements up between my two doses a day. I know I feel better when I

take all of the supplements.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:37:13 -0800 " Debbie McNeice "

writes:

> A bunch of years ago, when they were first deciding to put me on

> anti-depressants they " tested " me to see if I was bi-polar. I have

> periods of high activity followed by periods of no activity. I

> rarely

> have in betweens. The councilor I was seeing at the time said I

> wasn't

> bi-polar. For me the activity levels aren't followed by

> depression...or

> even seem to be connected. Even though, when I am taking my

> anti-depressants my activity levels seem more level. So now....I am

> trying to be compulsive about remembering my meds. The middle of

> the

> daytime ones are the hardest. So I have programed my palm pilot to

> remind me daily.

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor

> ladybostons@...

>

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Boy do I understand about not taking my meds. If I only take meds one

time a day, I remember a lot more often. However, my anti-depressant

requires two doses a day. There are a couple of things I do. One is I

have told enough people about my inability to remember that I know

remember because I don't want to have to tell them I am forgetting. The

second is I have a medication box. It actually has enough spaces for 4

doses of meds a day. Since I only take meds twice a day, I actually can

fill up the box for 2 weeks at a time. Thirdly, I have split my

supplements up between my two doses a day. I know I feel better when I

take all of the supplements.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:37:13 -0800 " Debbie McNeice "

writes:

> A bunch of years ago, when they were first deciding to put me on

> anti-depressants they " tested " me to see if I was bi-polar. I have

> periods of high activity followed by periods of no activity. I

> rarely

> have in betweens. The councilor I was seeing at the time said I

> wasn't

> bi-polar. For me the activity levels aren't followed by

> depression...or

> even seem to be connected. Even though, when I am taking my

> anti-depressants my activity levels seem more level. So now....I am

> trying to be compulsive about remembering my meds. The middle of

> the

> daytime ones are the hardest. So I have programed my palm pilot to

> remind me daily.

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor

> ladybostons@...

>

>

>

>

>

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Yep, it is one of those ugly side effects of anti-depressants. However,

there are always other medications that don't have those side effects.

Talking with the PCP or psychiatrist is probably the best option.

However, having him as an ex is also not a bad option

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:32:14 -0800 " Ziobro "

writes:

> My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five

> (very)

> required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side

> effects. I

> really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and

> would

> address it directly.

>

> It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete

> loss

> of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

> roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

> drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

> anyone.

>

> Ziobro

> Open RNY 09/17/01

> 310/127/130

> http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=M987208445

>

> RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

>

>

>

> Non-compliance really

> just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or

> for

>

> panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

> without

> the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right

> back

> into

> the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself

> what

> it

> cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

> season

> without planting the seeds and watering them

> daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I

> am

> tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds!

> HUMMMMMMMM

> NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

> myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I

> don't

> remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and

> frequently

> depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

> better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

> treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE!

> LOL

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor

> ladybostons@...

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Yep, it is one of those ugly side effects of anti-depressants. However,

there are always other medications that don't have those side effects.

Talking with the PCP or psychiatrist is probably the best option.

However, having him as an ex is also not a bad option

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:32:14 -0800 " Ziobro "

writes:

> My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five

> (very)

> required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side

> effects. I

> really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and

> would

> address it directly.

>

> It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete

> loss

> of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

> roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

> drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

> anyone.

>

> Ziobro

> Open RNY 09/17/01

> 310/127/130

> http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=M987208445

>

> RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

>

>

>

> Non-compliance really

> just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or

> for

>

> panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

> without

> the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right

> back

> into

> the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself

> what

> it

> cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

> season

> without planting the seeds and watering them

> daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I

> am

> tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds!

> HUMMMMMMMM

> NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

> myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I

> don't

> remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and

> frequently

> depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

> better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

> treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE!

> LOL

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor

> ladybostons@...

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey..............wait a minute..........this is ME too..........and I'm a

girl...........ok, I do think maybe I got too many of the wrong hormones or

something..........but I AM a girl

Re: obcession may be panic attack

>

> In a message dated 2/11/03 1:34:38 PM, juliaz@...

writes:

>

> << My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

> required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

> really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

> address it directly.

>

> It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

> of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

> roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

> drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

> anyone.

>

> Ziobro >>

>

> **this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

> endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not

certain

> about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do

know

> there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

> several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain (sp),

and

> for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of

the

> glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that occlude

> the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

> muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such as

> cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive underwear,

> sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not

good

> for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's sexuality

is

> part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he

takes

> meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his owner

to

> be happy.

>

> love,

> ceep

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Hey..............wait a minute..........this is ME too..........and I'm a

girl...........ok, I do think maybe I got too many of the wrong hormones or

something..........but I AM a girl

Re: obcession may be panic attack

>

> In a message dated 2/11/03 1:34:38 PM, juliaz@...

writes:

>

> << My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

> required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

> really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

> address it directly.

>

> It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

> of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

> roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

> drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

> anyone.

>

> Ziobro >>

>

> **this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

> endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not

certain

> about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do

know

> there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

> several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain (sp),

and

> for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of

the

> glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that occlude

> the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

> muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such as

> cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive underwear,

> sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not

good

> for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's sexuality

is

> part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he

takes

> meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his owner

to

> be happy.

>

> love,

> ceep

>

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[Guest guest]

BarbaraJean.......this is the EXACT reason that I have had to go off of most

of the anti-depressants (about 6) that I have tried. Wipes it right out of

me.......know wellbutrim didn't......but it made me a raving b----!! My

kids couldn't even give me a kiss and hug and I would scream at

them......that one didn't last too long at all.....Now I am sitting here

totally anxiety filled, not sleeping nights........wondering if I feel up to

giving another one a try!! I think I am actually going to go to a shrink

this time and not try and work thru my PCP. The first one I was ever

one...Nortriptyline (sp) was the best......does anyone know anything about

this with our " new " plumbing?? Thanks, P.

Re: obcession may be panic attack

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>

>

> In a message dated 2/11/03 1:34:38 PM, juliaz@...

writes:

>

> << My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

> required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

> really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

> address it directly.

>

> It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

> of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

> roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

> drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

> anyone.

>

> Ziobro >>

>

> **this is an ex? Regardless, I would ask, has he consulted with an

> endocrinologist who specialized in SD, Sexual dysfunction? I am not

certain

> about all the resourcesbut have referred patients for consults. But I do

know

> there are supps for 'desire,' (topical testosterone, for instance), and

> several meds for erections including viagra, caverject and papazain

(sp), and

> for sustaining blood engorgement and there are tests for sensitivity of

the

> glans, and other matters. There is also advising about things that

occlude

> the tiny, tiny venous system that supplies the penis, and the sphincter

> muscle that closes off the blood flow once the penis is engorged; such

as

> cigar and ciggie smoking, alcohol, bicycle seats, constrictive

underwear,

> sitting on cold concrete--as some construction workers do, etc-- are not

good

> for the erective system's hydraulics. I agree with you, a man's

sexuality is

> part of his heart and soul, and always should be cared about if/when he

takes

> meds of any kind. If Mr. Happy isn't happy, it is difficult for his

owner to

> be happy.

>

> love,

> ceep

>

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