Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 My son (will be 3 in March) receives OT for sensory issues and hypotonia.....but it seems that there's been an increase in activity since we eliminated dairy. The good things that I see after dairy elimination is that he's more social (not running away from kids) and his auditory processing seems better. The down side is that he seems pretty " wired " some days. I guess what I mean is that he's a bit more hyper and he's begun hitting.....He's definitely more aggressive toward myself and my husband, and sometimes other children (hitting them). I know that kids go through tons of phases, but does anyone here have any information on anything that might help? He's always been very active, and he's known as the kid that doesn't sit still at the park. He's great 1:1 at speech, and the therapist considers him her " star " .....he's very cooperative and loves the interraction and attention. As I've said, the activity level has always been high, and he's still " into everything " at home. It's calmed down a little, but I still feel pretty overwhelmed some days. I guess one way to describe it is that we feel that we're always " on alert " . For example, he can unbuckle his car seat (so it's baby pinned), and he can undo it from where it (carseat) attaches to the car.....so we're constantly checking it. Childproof locks are of no use in our house.....he can open ANY childproof door knob. He's known how to open sippy cups for the last year.....he seems to be a master at figuring out how things work. With the high activity level and his determination, we're EXHAUSTED! Oh, yes.....he's begun putting things in his mouth again.....Any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 We never had much sensory stuff like this but we did have some crazy milk detox. One thing, is he on a dairy-free probiotic? I know with my NT daughter if the poop gets stuck she gets nasty. I think milk- removal could cause this. > > > My son (will be 3 in March) receives OT for sensory issues and hypotonia.....but it seems that there's been an increase in activity since we eliminated dairy. The good things that I see after dairy elimination is that he's more social (not running away from kids) and his auditory processing seems better. The down side is that he seems pretty " wired " some days. I guess what I mean is that he's a bit more hyper and he's begun hitting.....He's definitely more aggressive toward myself and my husband, and sometimes other children (hitting them). I know that kids go through tons of phases, but does anyone here have any information on anything that might help? > > He's always been very active, and he's known as the kid that doesn't sit still at the park. He's great 1:1 at speech, and the therapist considers him her " star " .....he's very cooperative and loves the interraction and attention. As I've said, the activity level has always been high, and he's still " into everything " at home. It's calmed down a little, but I still feel pretty overwhelmed some days. I guess one way to describe it is that we feel that we're always " on alert " . For example, he can unbuckle his car seat (so it's baby pinned), and he can undo it from where it (carseat) attaches to the car.....so we're constantly checking it. Childproof locks are of no use in our house.....he can open ANY childproof door knob. He's known how to open sippy cups for the last year.....he seems to be a master at figuring out how things work. With the high activity level and his determination, we're EXHAUSTED! Oh, yes.....he's begun putting things in his mouth again.....Any suggestions? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Have you replaced all that is in milk? B6 may be a concern. My OT says that can happen. > > > My son (will be 3 in March) receives OT for sensory issues and hypotonia.....but it seems that there's been an increase in activity since we eliminated dairy. The good things that I see after dairy elimination is that he's more social (not running away from kids) and his auditory processing seems better. The down side is that he seems pretty " wired " some days. I guess what I mean is that he's a bit more hyper and he's begun hitting.....He's definitely more aggressive toward myself and my husband, and sometimes other children (hitting them). I know that kids go through tons of phases, but does anyone here have any information on anything that might help? > > He's always been very active, and he's known as the kid that doesn't sit still at the park. He's great 1:1 at speech, and the therapist considers him her " star " .....he's very cooperative and loves the interraction and attention. As I've said, the activity level has always been high, and he's still " into everything " at home. It's calmed down a little, but I still feel pretty overwhelmed some days. I guess one way to describe it is that we feel that we're always " on alert " . For example, he can unbuckle his car seat (so it's baby pinned), and he can undo it from where it (carseat) attaches to the car.....so we're constantly checking it. Childproof locks are of no use in our house.....he can open ANY childproof door knob. He's known how to open sippy cups for the last year.....he seems to be a master at figuring out how things work. With the high activity level and his determination, we're EXHAUSTED! Oh, yes.....he's begun putting things in his mouth again.....Any suggestions? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 , Have you read this: http://www.amazon.com/Healing-New-Childhood-Epidemics- Groundbreaking/dp/0345494504/ref=pd_bbs_1? ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1199460994 & sr=8-1 It may help the cause. Liz > > > My son (will be 3 in March) receives OT for sensory issues and hypotonia.....but it seems that there's been an increase in activity since we eliminated dairy. The good things that I see after dairy elimination is that he's more social (not running away from kids) and his auditory processing seems better. The down side is that he seems pretty " wired " some days. I guess what I mean is that he's a bit more hyper and he's begun hitting.....He's definitely more aggressive toward myself and my husband, and sometimes other children (hitting them). I know that kids go through tons of phases, but does anyone here have any information on anything that might help? > > He's always been very active, and he's known as the kid that doesn't sit still at the park. He's great 1:1 at speech, and the therapist considers him her " star " .....he's very cooperative and loves the interraction and attention. As I've said, the activity level has always been high, and he's still " into everything " at home. It's calmed down a little, but I still feel pretty overwhelmed some days. I guess one way to describe it is that we feel that we're always " on alert " . For example, he can unbuckle his car seat (so it's baby pinned), and he can undo it from where it (carseat) attaches to the car.....so we're constantly checking it. Childproof locks are of no use in our house.....he can open ANY childproof door knob. He's known how to open sippy cups for the last year.....he seems to be a master at figuring out how things work. With the high activity level and his determination, we're EXHAUSTED! Oh, yes.....he's begun putting things in his mouth again.....Any suggestions? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I agree when I give Charlie his DMZ (causes possible behavior problems) , I also give B6 (calms them down) so it all equals out. By the way, I swear by DMZ. Opening the pathways for speech. Increadable. [ ] Re: Sensory Issues?? Have you replaced all that is in milk? B6 may be a concern. My OT says that can happen. > > > My son (will be 3 in March) receives OT for sensory issues and hypotonia.....but it seems that there's been an increase in activity since we eliminated dairy. The good things that I see after dairy elimination is that he's more social (not running away from kids) and his auditory processing seems better. The down side is that he seems pretty " wired " some days. I guess what I mean is that he's a bit more hyper and he's begun hitting.....He's definitely more aggressive toward myself and my husband, and sometimes other children (hitting them). I know that kids go through tons of phases, but does anyone here have any information on anything that might help? > > He's always been very active, and he's known as the kid that doesn't sit still at the park. He's great 1:1 at speech, and the therapist considers him her " star " .....he's very cooperative and loves the interraction and attention. As I've said, the activity level has always been high, and he's still " into everything " at home. It's calmed down a little, but I still feel pretty overwhelmed some days. I guess one way to describe it is that we feel that we're always " on alert " . For example, he can unbuckle his car seat (so it's baby pinned), and he can undo it from where it (carseat) attaches to the car.....so we're constantly checking it. Childproof locks are of no use in our house.....he can open ANY childproof door knob. He's known how to open sippy cups for the last year.....he seems to be a master at figuring out how things work. With the high activity level and his determination, we're EXHAUSTED! Oh, yes.....he's begun putting things in his mouth again.....Any suggestions? > > > __________________________________________________________ > i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. > http://im.live. <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect> com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 What is DMZ supplement? Jen **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 No, I didn't replace milk with vitamin B6. I will do that. Can you guide me toward a particular brand and dosage? What is DMZ?? Thanks for this information.......You guys so knowledgeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 What is DMZ that you refer too? I'm trying to keep up with the " lingo " and abbreviations. thanks Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 What I am getting at is taking away milk, even if you need removal, does also remove necessary vitamins. B6 deficiency signs include shiners, something my NT 4 year old has always had. They left with milk removal. She was not getting the B6 to the right places even though it was in the milk due to her body's reaction to it, one reason she needs to be off it. The shiners were gone all summer and returned recently...when there is little sun where we live? Is it D also, likely, but B6 is likely part of it. I can't advise you on doses as we are working this out as well. You can look at the different spctrum multis, freeda vitamins, etc. But the bes thing you can do is be sure he gets enough sleep and try to sneak in via foods as well. We have her on a high B6 multi (2000%) but the shiners remain. That could be D, allergies or be undone by the sugary content of the multi. I don't know DMZ...isn't it DMG? if so I think it is an antioxidant. My hubby does vitamin investigations and said for us, at worst it was ineefective but likely safe. We have yet to try it. > > No, I didn't replace milk with vitamin B6. I will do that. Can you guide me toward a particular brand and dosage? What is DMZ?? > > Thanks for this information.......You guys so knowledgeable. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hi to all that asked. Even though I didn't write it and never tried it for my boys I can answer as probably more will ask what DMZ is. She probably wrote DMZ by mistake –it's DMG or Dimethylglycine,, a food additive - and there are around two hundred archives about it where you can read from many who have tried it out of the thousands here -or google it for 135,000 results. I never tried it for Tanner as we are doing well with fish oil and E alone now. Here's an article about it from 1987 which says there was a growing interest in it back then in race horse owners as it was also used by pro athletes. http://www.vitaflex.com/res_growdmga.php Some side effects and warnings here http://www.pdrhealth.com/drugs/altmed/altmed-mono.aspx?contentFileName=ame0279.x\ ml & contentName=DMG & contentId=439 ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Dr. McCandless, a big DAN! doctor, highly recommends DMG. You can read more about it in her book- Children with Starving Brains. She has seen good results. Kathy ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 That could be so that some docs would recommend it -and there is a buzz in the autism world about it...but while the supplement DMG is fairy new in the autism world around 7 years or so (?) -it's been around for a few decades in the sports world -so may want to see what some athletes today have to say about DMG ( " Danger do not take DMG " for example) At this forum here I learned about the book Power Eating by Dr. Kleiner http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php?t-356148.html Keep in mind the warnings I'm posting are for adults such as athletes and body builders -not for children. So while it's being used by children today -it's not so much talked about for adults if you dig into the adult world. I only give my children therapies and supplements that are known to be benign -DMG isn't one of them that I'd try based on the following no matter who said to give it to my child/children -and like me -most didn't and most didn't have to. From Dr. Kleiner's book Power Eating (about DMG) " ...and what most people don't realize is that supplements containing DMG may cause chromosome damage in cells " http://books.google.com/books?id=oYOlMwIEuf4C & pg=PA182 & lpg=PA182 & dq=%22containin\ g+dmg+may+cause+chromosome+damage+in+cells%22 & source=web & ots=KSRhngLrFm & sig=RGzr\ EEsHnEBXCsw7aux7gw4AEHo And here's another article (again has nothing to do with autism which in my opinion is where you need to search -those that have used it the longest) " Negative report about DMG " " Almost all of the claims made for pangamic acid or dimethyl glycine (DM(G), which is the hypothesized active ingredient, are based upon Soviet research. A researcher who investigated the Soviet work noted that nearly all of these studies suffer from methodological flaws which seriously limit their probative value. Often patient populations and diagnostic criteria are incompletely described, and comparisons between treated subjects and suitably matched controls are lacking. Another author has similarly faulted the Soviet research, noting the methodological laxness and wild-eyed enthusiasm of Russian clinical reports. Claims that DMG has lipotropic effects (promoting optimal utilization of fats) are persistent in the literature and are not in themselves farfetched, but there are other substances, such as choline, that work better in this regard and are safer. Studies of DMG outside the Soviet Union have generally failed to find any therapeutic value in it. One group reported that DMG is of no value in the treatment of epileptic patients with refractory seizures (the type that do not yield to standard medications). Their study was double-blind. Others have reported a significant DMG induced enhancement of both humoraland cell mediated immune response, but there is no confirmation of this work. A recent investigation of DMG s reputed ability to boost energy and athletic performance found no effect whatsoever. It is unfortunate that there has been so much hype and so many unsubstantiated claims made for DMG. It is possible that it may have some positive value, but most researchers are now loath to investigate DMG for fear of fueling even higher hopes for the substance. This fear is heightened by the possibility that DMG may have harmful side effects. There is evidence that DMG, thought by many to be the active product of pangamic acid, may be mutagenic and thus potentially able to cause cancer. In the widely accepted test of mutagenesis, substances that turn out to be mutagenic have, according to one survey, a 90 percent probability of being carcinogenic as well. Neville Colman, M D, of the Hematology and Nutrition Laboratory of the Bronx Veterans Administration Medical Center in New York, concluded, according to an article in JAMA that the main component of this vitamin B15 formulation is capable of reacting to form a potential carcinogen under conditions simulating those found in the human digestive tract. Other researchers have reported that di-isopropylamine di- chloracetate (DIPADC(A), the major constituent of another pangamic product, is also mutagenic. These findings, though they require confirmation by others, constitute ominous red flags. The FDA has sought to have pangamic acid banned as an unsafe food additive. Pangamic acid may, indeed, be unsafe, but the additive argument may be doomed since it can be demonstrated that DMG, at least, is an intermediary metabolite naturally present in many foods. In any event, the intelligent consumer will steer clear of any and all products said to be pangamic acid, Calcium pangamate, B15, DMG or anything related thereto. The writers recommendation is unequivocal: Don't use any products labeled or related to pangamic acid, " http://www.bulkmsm.com/DMG/web5.htm But if you still want to use this stuff (!!) you can still find it at just about any vitamin shop as it's not FDA regulated. Here's two of them that we have at our local malls: http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? b=Vitamin+Shoppe & q=Vitamin+Shoppe & pt=DMG store locator http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/content/en/stores/index.jsp?intsource=header http://www.vitaminworld.com/pages/file.asp? xs=30BC3914E9F348DA867D7F5382F42D64 & PID=72 & CID=0 & CPID=421 store locator http://www.vitaminworld.com/pages/stores.asp ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 One more thing -after finding this from the book Sports Nutrition: Vitamins and Trace Elements: " An area of concern for the DMG supporter is that large doses may be hazardous to humans. DMG has been shown to be converted to nitrosarcosine, a weak carcinogen, in the stomach of mice. Nitrosatable sompounds can cause cancer in humans. Any benefit of DMG should deter it's use because of the possibility of it's mutagenesis effect. More research is needed with regard to DMG and physical performance " http://books.google.com/books?id=9qzYWMRyDf4C & pg=PA213 & lpg=PA213 & dq=the+dmg+supp\ orter+is+that+large+doses+may+be & source=web & ots=n8RHhpoGO3 & sig=pQqiMsUiCReULxl7g\ KRgy1UxfgY I searched under nitrosarsoine and DMG and found this informative paper. So not sure what to believe on DMG! (More rat studies?) http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/regulatory/CompMed/PIL/IJEACCM/1/Dimethylglycine.pdf ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Thanks. And Thanks to for pointing the possible longterm effects of DMG. I will definetely consider the alternatives. I always second guess and I will speak with several of my healthcare providers regarding this. Colleen [ ] Re: Sensory Issues?? What I am getting at is taking away milk, even if you need removal, does also remove necessary vitamins. B6 deficiency signs include shiners, something my NT 4 year old has always had. They left with milk removal. She was not getting the B6 to the right places even though it was in the milk due to her body's reaction to it, one reason she needs to be off it. The shiners were gone all summer and returned recently...when there is little sun where we live? Is it D also, likely, but B6 is likely part of it. I can't advise you on doses as we are working this out as well. You can look at the different spctrum multis, freeda vitamins, etc. But the bes thing you can do is be sure he gets enough sleep and try to sneak in via foods as well. We have her on a high B6 multi (2000%) but the shiners remain. That could be D, allergies or be undone by the sugary content of the multi. I don't know DMZ...isn't it DMG? if so I think it is an antioxidant. My hubby does vitamin investigations and said for us, at worst it was ineefective but likely safe. We have yet to try it. > > No, I didn't replace milk with vitamin B6. I will do that. Can you guide me toward a particular brand and dosage? What is DMZ?? > > Thanks for this information.......You guys so knowledgeable. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 What are shiners? What are some examples of this? Thanks @...: colleen.somerville@...: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:13:17 -0500Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Sensory Issues?? Thanks. And Thanks to for pointing the possible longterm effects ofDMG. I will definetely consider the alternatives. I always second guess andI will speak with several of my healthcare providers regarding this. Colleen -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ilizzy03Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:55 PMTo: @...: [ ] Re: Sensory Issues??What I am getting at is taking away milk, even if you need removal, does also remove necessary vitamins. B6 deficiency signs include shiners, something my NT 4 year old has always had. They left with milk removal. She was not getting the B6 to the right places even though it was in the milk due to her body's reaction to it, one reason she needs to be off it. The shiners were gone all summer and returned recently...when there is little sun where we live? Is it D also, likely, but B6 is likely part of it. I can't advise you on doses as we are working this out as well. You can look at the different spctrum multis, freeda vitamins, etc. But the bes thing you can do is be sure he gets enough sleep and try to sneak in via foods as well. We have her on a high B6 multi (2000%) but the shiners remain. That could be D, allergies or be undone by the sugary content of the multi.I don't know DMZ...isn't it DMG? if so I think it is an antioxidant. My hubby does vitamin investigations and said for us, at worst it was ineefective but likely safe. We have yet to try it.>> No, I didn't replace milk with vitamin B6. I will do that. Can you guide me toward a particular brand and dosage? What is DMZ??> > Thanks for this information.......You guys so knowledgeable.> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dark circles under the eyes, like smokers. Sometimes red...that I thought was metal (lead?). My son had purple eyeshadow siners. >> No, I didn't replace milk with vitamin B6. I will do that. Can you guide me toward a particular brand and dosage? What is DMZ??> > Thanks for this information.......You guys so knowledgeable.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 : Here is a good link with allergy symptoms: http://borntoexplore.org/allergies.htm My son has airborne allergies and gets the dark circles under his eyes when he is having allergy troubles. It is listed as an allergy symptom--allergic shiners. Hope the link helps, Tina >> No, I didn't replace milk with vitamin B6. I will do that. Can you guide me toward a particular brand and dosage? What is DMZ??> > Thanks for this information.......You guys so knowledgeable.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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