Individual Path Trudging and Vision Beyond the Smoke

April 14, 2003

Kudos Dan!!!!!!!! I think this is what it is all about!!!!!

P.

Individual Path Trudging and Vision Beyond the

Smoke

> Ceep Mom Wrote This Part:

>

> 1. Eating disorder: Just as a reminder to all of us who have struggled so

> greatly over so many years: The phrase 'eating disorder' is thrown about

> sometimes a mite too trivially in our modern culture. It is a serious,

> serious disorder that often is undergirded by an undiagnosed anxiety

> disorder

> and/or panic disorder. (or organic depression)

>

> Dan S. wrote this in response:

>

> Dear Ceep Mom:

>

> Once again you have addressed an issue for me, one that I deal with every

> day in a personal, direct fashion with magnificent clarity. I think I

wrote

> a post a few weeks back about starting to get more active daily now after

my

> last surgery bout some six months ago and encountering a full blown panic

> attack in the middle of a professional seminar and the thoughts I had

about

> it all later. In summary, now that a great deal of physical healing has

> occurred and there has been three years of true healthy or healthier

living

> physically, mentally and spiritually, I have surmised that I have some

> individual clarity about the most baffling, confusing constant in my life.

> Why on earth did I do some of the things I did and why on earth did I do

> them when I did? Now that the smoke and heat of dealing with results of

> engaging in engaging in behaviors to ease the difficulty I encountered, I

am

> in a position to isolate the prime issue in my own situation and you have

> done it eloquently here! I am that person who has had a general anxiety

> disorder and suffered panic attacks my entire life. I was just admonished

> usually for all my character failings by those who had the most influence

in

> my life at the time when the really destructive things came about. In

> other words I was usually the recipient of corrective or misleading advice

> and actions on the part of others. Who knew? I am just saying that you

> have describe me very well here and I am grateful for the calmness it

brings

> with it when I feel like there " is " someone who understands and I am just

> not off on the planet Jupiter alone looking back at planet Earth and

> watching " moderate " folks live good lives while mine is marred by total

> failure to function. I now equate that to demanding of myself that I do

> five mile hike with a broken leg - - untreated unhealed leg of course!

>

> Ceep Mom wrote this part too:

>

> 2. Food as Soporific: There are other people who 'relax ' with food. One

> could say that their symptom or cue to eat is catalyzed by a mood shift or

> change. For them, most often learning other ways to calm down helps them

> greatly moderate what they eat. They tend to go to carbs because certain

> carbs calm the body, make it even a little sleepy--which registers to the

> body as nice and calm. When they learn their self-calming techniques --

and

> use them consistently--there's the key-- they do just fine. (these are

often

> the same folk who say they eat when happy, when sad, when scared, when

mad,

> etc.)

>

> Dan S. wrote this in response!

>

> Reporting in on my recommitment to healthier eating and accepting the

> support of others who are attempting to share the same goal as I have to

> make changes in my life, I am happy to report that yesterday was a good

day

> for me. Long ago I realized that I will eat at night. I will eat at night

> because I feel like I have to eat at night and I need to eat or I cannot

> sleep. I also include treating insomnia with Xanax, and usually a Tylenol

> PM to sleep in my list of things that I now do for me that I did not know

> that I needed to do for me when I was sick. I do not know why that I grow

> fangs and experience all manner of night terrors (I was unaware of their

> constancy and effect until the last three years or so) and I not sure that

I

> would expend the effort to dredge them up if the opportunity were

available.

> I just want to sleep, yanno?

>

> Here is how I did yesterday: Since I know that I will need to eat at

night,

> I did all my supps yesterday with three protein shakes spaced during the

> day. I sat at the table with family visiting from out of town while they

> had a great meal, I had a shake and it was not a social issue. Later,

about

> two hours before I was going to sleep I ate a nice lean palm sized piece

of

> steak, a bite of broiled chicken and a salad. I piddled for an hour or so

> doing some night chore things then off to bed after the last round of

supps

> and the night meds. I slept like a baby and rose at 5:30 this morning

> really feeling very well and happy that I did not do something to hurt me

> yesterday. I am that eater you so aptly and brilliantly described in the

> paragraph above.

>

> The difference in what I did yesterday, in concert with my online family

was

> that I did what I needed to do with the added support and acceptance of a

> large number of other folks who share a common bond with me. I was not

> alone. It was a good day. I feel good this day and look forward to

another

> just like yesterday and all the great things I have a chance to do today.

I

> will do my morning affirmations " orally " when I finish this Thank You note

> for you.

>

> Healthy Happy Dan Slone

> Surgery 5/2/2000

>

> .

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

April 14, 2003

Kudos Dan!!!!!!!! I think this is what it is all about!!!!!

P.

Individual Path Trudging and Vision Beyond the

Smoke

> Ceep Mom Wrote This Part:

>

> 1. Eating disorder: Just as a reminder to all of us who have struggled so

> greatly over so many years: The phrase 'eating disorder' is thrown about

> sometimes a mite too trivially in our modern culture. It is a serious,

> serious disorder that often is undergirded by an undiagnosed anxiety

> disorder

> and/or panic disorder. (or organic depression)

>

> Dan S. wrote this in response:

>

> Dear Ceep Mom:

>

> Once again you have addressed an issue for me, one that I deal with every

> day in a personal, direct fashion with magnificent clarity. I think I

wrote

> a post a few weeks back about starting to get more active daily now after

my

> last surgery bout some six months ago and encountering a full blown panic

> attack in the middle of a professional seminar and the thoughts I had

about

> it all later. In summary, now that a great deal of physical healing has

> occurred and there has been three years of true healthy or healthier

living

> physically, mentally and spiritually, I have surmised that I have some

> individual clarity about the most baffling, confusing constant in my life.

> Why on earth did I do some of the things I did and why on earth did I do

> them when I did? Now that the smoke and heat of dealing with results of

> engaging in engaging in behaviors to ease the difficulty I encountered, I

am

> in a position to isolate the prime issue in my own situation and you have

> done it eloquently here! I am that person who has had a general anxiety

> disorder and suffered panic attacks my entire life. I was just admonished

> usually for all my character failings by those who had the most influence

in

> my life at the time when the really destructive things came about. In

> other words I was usually the recipient of corrective or misleading advice

> and actions on the part of others. Who knew? I am just saying that you

> have describe me very well here and I am grateful for the calmness it

brings

> with it when I feel like there " is " someone who understands and I am just

> not off on the planet Jupiter alone looking back at planet Earth and

> watching " moderate " folks live good lives while mine is marred by total

> failure to function. I now equate that to demanding of myself that I do

> five mile hike with a broken leg - - untreated unhealed leg of course!

>

> Ceep Mom wrote this part too:

>

> 2. Food as Soporific: There are other people who 'relax ' with food. One

> could say that their symptom or cue to eat is catalyzed by a mood shift or

> change. For them, most often learning other ways to calm down helps them

> greatly moderate what they eat. They tend to go to carbs because certain

> carbs calm the body, make it even a little sleepy--which registers to the

> body as nice and calm. When they learn their self-calming techniques --

and

> use them consistently--there's the key-- they do just fine. (these are

often

> the same folk who say they eat when happy, when sad, when scared, when

mad,

> etc.)

>

> Dan S. wrote this in response!

>

> Reporting in on my recommitment to healthier eating and accepting the

> support of others who are attempting to share the same goal as I have to

> make changes in my life, I am happy to report that yesterday was a good

day

> for me. Long ago I realized that I will eat at night. I will eat at night

> because I feel like I have to eat at night and I need to eat or I cannot

> sleep. I also include treating insomnia with Xanax, and usually a Tylenol

> PM to sleep in my list of things that I now do for me that I did not know

> that I needed to do for me when I was sick. I do not know why that I grow

> fangs and experience all manner of night terrors (I was unaware of their

> constancy and effect until the last three years or so) and I not sure that

I

> would expend the effort to dredge them up if the opportunity were

available.

> I just want to sleep, yanno?

>

> Here is how I did yesterday: Since I know that I will need to eat at

night,

> I did all my supps yesterday with three protein shakes spaced during the

> day. I sat at the table with family visiting from out of town while they

> had a great meal, I had a shake and it was not a social issue. Later,

about

> two hours before I was going to sleep I ate a nice lean palm sized piece

of

> steak, a bite of broiled chicken and a salad. I piddled for an hour or so

> doing some night chore things then off to bed after the last round of

supps

> and the night meds. I slept like a baby and rose at 5:30 this morning

> really feeling very well and happy that I did not do something to hurt me

> yesterday. I am that eater you so aptly and brilliantly described in the

> paragraph above.

>

> The difference in what I did yesterday, in concert with my online family

was

> that I did what I needed to do with the added support and acceptance of a

> large number of other folks who share a common bond with me. I was not

> alone. It was a good day. I feel good this day and look forward to

another

> just like yesterday and all the great things I have a chance to do today.

I

> will do my morning affirmations " orally " when I finish this Thank You note

> for you.

>

> Healthy Happy Dan Slone

> Surgery 5/2/2000

>

> .

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

April 14, 2003

Dear Dan: So, so many have suffered in this way that you describe. I often

hear it several times a day that a person has been misled or mistaught, or

just doesn't know that nt evrything is under the control of the will, or of

character, of ego direction.

It is a relief to spirit and soul when the truth becomes known for those this

applies toâ€” that there have been underlying and formerly undiagnosed reasons

for certain things all along. That it is not a defective character,

willpower, heart, mind or soul.

love,

ceep

In a message dated 4/14/03 7:05:53 AM, Graduate-OSSG writes:

<< I was just admonished

usually for all my character failings by those who had the most influence in

my life at the time when the really destructive things came about. In

other words I was usually the recipient of corrective or misleading advice

and actions on the part of others. Who knew? I am just saying that you

have describe me very well here and I am grateful for the calmness it brings

with it when I feel like there " is " someone who understands and I am just

not off on the planet Jupiter alone looking back at planet Earth and

watching " moderate " folks live good lives while mine is marred by total

failure to function. I now equate that to demanding of myself that I do

five mile hike with a broken leg - - untreated unhealed leg of course!

>>

April 14, 2003