Re: Everyone is different with food ...

[Guest guest]

Everyone is different with food and I couldn't agree more that each has to

find their own way in recovery. I just don't think 'fasting' would normally

be 'recommended' as a strategy and it seemed to me like it was coming across

here as a group recommendation. While it may be possible for some to fast

without triggering old yo yo behaviors, it would not be typical, and it is

difficult to see 'fasting', even for a short period, promoted here so widely

as an exciting way to get 'back on track'.

I'm sorry if I upset anyone by sounding an alarm about this but it's only an

alarm and I think it was needed. I appreciate all the nice posts 'thanking'

me for speaking up. It was impossible not to. We can agree to disagree if

need be, but I think what we do as individuals privately to help our

recoveries and what we encourage others to do in large numbers, are very

different things...especially if they are experimental or risky things. I

can't help wondering how would it be to learn a couple weeks from now that

several people who decided to try the group fast (because it sounded like

such a great idea!) became ill as a result or developed problems afterward

that took them very much off track? You could say they didn't have to do it

and no one twisted their arm etc. but the fact is that the people they look

to for support and guidance here on this list were all saying it was a great

idea... so naturally they wanted to try it too.

Obviously I continue to question the wisdom of 'fasting' for anyone aspiring

to long term healthy eating. I believe it's very risky, and more

importantly, I am unaccustomed to seeing risky suggestions on the Grad

list. Recovering Bariatric patients place great trust in the experience of

this group. With that kind of trust comes great responsibility.

I couldn't agree more that " recovery is a very individual process " . That is

precisely why this group-fueled, high-risk behavior worried me so much.

I hope those of you who felt the need to explore it will not be harmed in any

way. I have nothing but best wishes for all of you in your recoveries.

Carol

Shrinkin in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Private Practice: Ambler, PA

Clinical Memberships: 

   American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

   Academy For Eating Disorders

Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

Director: My Self Design

   A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery patients

   see www.myselfdesign.com

[Guest guest]

Everyone is different with food and I couldn't agree more that each has to

find their own way in recovery. I just don't think 'fasting' would normally

be 'recommended' as a strategy and it seemed to me like it was coming across

here as a group recommendation. While it may be possible for some to fast

without triggering old yo yo behaviors, it would not be typical, and it is

difficult to see 'fasting', even for a short period, promoted here so widely

as an exciting way to get 'back on track'.

I'm sorry if I upset anyone by sounding an alarm about this but it's only an

alarm and I think it was needed. I appreciate all the nice posts 'thanking'

me for speaking up. It was impossible not to. We can agree to disagree if

need be, but I think what we do as individuals privately to help our

recoveries and what we encourage others to do in large numbers, are very

different things...especially if they are experimental or risky things. I

can't help wondering how would it be to learn a couple weeks from now that

several people who decided to try the group fast (because it sounded like

such a great idea!) became ill as a result or developed problems afterward

that took them very much off track? You could say they didn't have to do it

and no one twisted their arm etc. but the fact is that the people they look

to for support and guidance here on this list were all saying it was a great

idea... so naturally they wanted to try it too.

Obviously I continue to question the wisdom of 'fasting' for anyone aspiring

to long term healthy eating. I believe it's very risky, and more

importantly, I am unaccustomed to seeing risky suggestions on the Grad

list. Recovering Bariatric patients place great trust in the experience of

this group. With that kind of trust comes great responsibility.

I couldn't agree more that " recovery is a very individual process " . That is

precisely why this group-fueled, high-risk behavior worried me so much.

I hope those of you who felt the need to explore it will not be harmed in any

way. I have nothing but best wishes for all of you in your recoveries.

Carol

Shrinkin in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Private Practice: Ambler, PA

Clinical Memberships: 

   American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

   Academy For Eating Disorders

Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

Director: My Self Design

   A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery patients

   see www.myselfdesign.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/14/2003 2:37:57 PM Central Daylight Time,

phxkath@... writes:

> Carol, fasting is something that is done with great regularity for

> medical and religous reasons all the time.

-----------------------------------

Just want to make sure the group knows that the Carol who posted re the

fasting is NOT me, Carol A.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/14/2003 2:37:57 PM Central Daylight Time,

phxkath@... writes:

> Carol, fasting is something that is done with great regularity for

> medical and religous reasons all the time.

-----------------------------------

Just want to make sure the group knows that the Carol who posted re the

fasting is NOT me, Carol A.

[Guest guest]

I suppose it may help some one who has spent their lives playing

head games with themselves to think that every one else does it. I

hope that whom ever wrote that the people who don't play head games

aren't posting to this list takes a moment of reflection to re-think.

Carol, fasting is something that is done with great regularity for

medical and religous reasons all the time. I have had a great

result from my RNY, I've gone from a size 28 to a size 6/8. I've

had no additional surgeries for any reason, I've not spent a single

day (other than immediately post op) sick. I know of several people

who have seen my result and decided to have WLS. If they have a bad

result it is in no way my fault. I accept zero responsibility for a

decision an adult makes on their own. Likewise, if someone see's

that doing a " fast " (which it realy isn't as we are getting fully

nutriants and calories) is working to help me break a plataue and

try it for his/her self with a bad result I take no responsiblity

for the decision of a fully cooked adult.

I never blamed any one for my being fat, I never had any emotional

or physical turmoil from being fat. Blaming others for my choices

just never made sense to me.

I wish every one the best how ever they chose to take this journey.

There is certainly no one way that is right for everyone.

Kath

> recoveries and what we encourage others to do in large numbers,

are very

> different things...especially if they are experimental or risky

things. I

> can't help wondering how would it be to learn a couple weeks from

now that

> several people who decided to try the group fast (because it

sounded like

> such a great idea!) became ill as a result or developed problems

afterward

> that took them very much off track? You could say they didn't

have to do it

> and no one twisted their arm etc. but the fact is that the people

they look

> to for support and guidance here on this list were all saying it

was a great

> idea... so naturally they wanted to try it too.

>

> Obviously I continue to question the wisdom of 'fasting' for

anyone aspiring

> to long term healthy eating. I believe it's very risky, and more

> importantly, I am unaccustomed to seeing risky suggestions on

the Grad

> list. Recovering Bariatric patients place great trust in the

experience of

> this group. With that kind of trust comes great

responsibility.

> I couldn't agree more that " recovery is a very individual

process " . That is

> precisely why this group-fueled, high-risk behavior worried me so

much.

> I hope those of you who felt the need to explore it will not be

harmed in any

> way. I have nothing but best wishes for all of you in your

recoveries.

>

>

> Carol

> Shrinkin in Philly

>

>

> Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

> Private Practice: Ambler, PA

> Clinical Memberships: 

>    American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

>    Academy For Eating Disorders

> Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

> Director: My Self Design

>    A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery

patients

>    see www.myselfdesign.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I suppose it may help some one who has spent their lives playing

head games with themselves to think that every one else does it. I

hope that whom ever wrote that the people who don't play head games

aren't posting to this list takes a moment of reflection to re-think.

Carol, fasting is something that is done with great regularity for

medical and religous reasons all the time. I have had a great

result from my RNY, I've gone from a size 28 to a size 6/8. I've

had no additional surgeries for any reason, I've not spent a single

day (other than immediately post op) sick. I know of several people

who have seen my result and decided to have WLS. If they have a bad

result it is in no way my fault. I accept zero responsibility for a

decision an adult makes on their own. Likewise, if someone see's

that doing a " fast " (which it realy isn't as we are getting fully

nutriants and calories) is working to help me break a plataue and

try it for his/her self with a bad result I take no responsiblity

for the decision of a fully cooked adult.

I never blamed any one for my being fat, I never had any emotional

or physical turmoil from being fat. Blaming others for my choices

just never made sense to me.

I wish every one the best how ever they chose to take this journey.

There is certainly no one way that is right for everyone.

Kath

> recoveries and what we encourage others to do in large numbers,

are very

> different things...especially if they are experimental or risky

things. I

> can't help wondering how would it be to learn a couple weeks from

now that

> several people who decided to try the group fast (because it

sounded like

> such a great idea!) became ill as a result or developed problems

afterward

> that took them very much off track? You could say they didn't

have to do it

> and no one twisted their arm etc. but the fact is that the people

they look

> to for support and guidance here on this list were all saying it

was a great

> idea... so naturally they wanted to try it too.

>

> Obviously I continue to question the wisdom of 'fasting' for

anyone aspiring

> to long term healthy eating. I believe it's very risky, and more

> importantly, I am unaccustomed to seeing risky suggestions on

the Grad

> list. Recovering Bariatric patients place great trust in the

experience of

> this group. With that kind of trust comes great

responsibility.

> I couldn't agree more that " recovery is a very individual

process " . That is

> precisely why this group-fueled, high-risk behavior worried me so

much.

> I hope those of you who felt the need to explore it will not be

harmed in any

> way. I have nothing but best wishes for all of you in your

recoveries.

>

>

> Carol

> Shrinkin in Philly

>

>

> Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

> Private Practice: Ambler, PA

> Clinical Memberships: 

>    American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

>    Academy For Eating Disorders

> Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

> Director: My Self Design

>    A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery

patients

>    see www.myselfdesign.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it seemed to me like it was coming across

here as a group recommendation.

Not at all......actually the way it started was that commented that

she had gotten off track with carbs and needed to do detox for a couple of

days but needed to get the resolve up........I responded that I too felt the

same and would be glad to join her for support if she wished!! The rest

just snowballed.....NO ONE that I know of encouraged or recommended it!!

it is

difficult to see 'fasting', even for a short period, promoted here so widely

as an exciting way to get 'back on track'.

Once again......I think there is a difference between someone " promoting "

something, and someone stating that something works for them and they are

doing it.

and what we encourage others to do

already addressed.....don't think anyone was encouraging anyone to " do "

anything.......just offering support for those who chose to.

especially if they are experimental or risky things.

Well, I really have to disagree that " fasting " is either experimental or

risky!! I have read books on the subject. Not only is a " total " fast

perfectly fine under conditions. But what we are doing is a

limited/abstaining fast. And may I add that we are abstaining from things

that our physicians and bodies would like us to abstain from anyway. Mostly

what I would like to add is that I can't help that we are all being grouped

here in several ways. One, I feel the old mantra of " there HAS to be an

eating/mental disorder going on here " thing......I find this offensive! And

two.......that the people who are choosing to participate in this are

brainless....that we don't have any individuality in our understanding of

our own eating/thought patterns. There have been several people who have

stated that they cannot participate because they KNOW that it will wreck

havoc in their eating........KUDOS to them......I FULLY understand and

respect that.......but why are the people who are choosing to do this, with

forethought, not being given the same respect??? I think this whole thing

is being blown WAY outta proportion. I don't think anyone involved saw this

as a " magic pill " or expected it to do anything but help them rid themselves

of some bad habits that they fell into and will probably fall again some

day. And your right about the fact that in a couple of weeks we will

probably get some reports from people that this really threw them into a

tailspin.......I expected it......but I also felt that it would probably be

a great learning experience for them......kinda like what Dan just went thru

with his late night eating...........all of this is live and learn......and

we all have to do it for ourselves...............just my .02. P.

To: <Graduate-OSSG >

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 2:21 PM

Subject: Re: " Everyone is different with food " ...

Everyone is different with food and I couldn't agree more that each has to

find their own way in recovery. I just don't think 'fasting' would normally

be 'recommended' as a strategy and While it may be possible for some to fast

without triggering old yo yo behaviors, it would not be typical, and

I'm sorry if I upset anyone by sounding an alarm about this but it's only an

alarm and I think it was needed. I appreciate all the nice posts 'thanking'

me for speaking up. It was impossible not to. We can agree to disagree if

need be, but I think what we do as individuals privately to help our

recoveries in large numbers, are very

different things... I

can't help wondering how would it be to learn a couple weeks from now that

several people who decided to try the group fast (because it sounded like

such a great idea!) became ill as a result or developed problems afterward

that took them very much off track? You could say they didn't have to do

it

and no one twisted their arm etc. but the fact is that the people they look

to for support and guidance here on this list were all saying it was a great

idea... so naturally they wanted to try it too.

Obviously I continue to question the wisdom of 'fasting' for anyone aspiring

to long term healthy eating. I believe it's very risky, and more

importantly, I am unaccustomed to seeing risky suggestions on the Grad

list. Recovering Bariatric patients place great trust in the experience of

this group. With that kind of trust comes great responsibility.

I couldn't agree more that " recovery is a very individual process " . That is

precisely why this group-fueled, high-risk behavior worried me so much.

I hope those of you who felt the need to explore it will not be harmed in

any

way. I have nothing but best wishes for all of you in your recoveries.

Carol

Shrinkin in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Private Practice: Ambler, PA

Clinical Memberships:

American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

Academy For Eating Disorders

Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

Director: My Self Design

A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery patients

see www.myselfdesign.com

[Guest guest]

it seemed to me like it was coming across

here as a group recommendation.

Not at all......actually the way it started was that commented that

she had gotten off track with carbs and needed to do detox for a couple of

days but needed to get the resolve up........I responded that I too felt the

same and would be glad to join her for support if she wished!! The rest

just snowballed.....NO ONE that I know of encouraged or recommended it!!

it is

difficult to see 'fasting', even for a short period, promoted here so widely

as an exciting way to get 'back on track'.

Once again......I think there is a difference between someone " promoting "

something, and someone stating that something works for them and they are

doing it.

and what we encourage others to do

already addressed.....don't think anyone was encouraging anyone to " do "

anything.......just offering support for those who chose to.

especially if they are experimental or risky things.

Well, I really have to disagree that " fasting " is either experimental or

risky!! I have read books on the subject. Not only is a " total " fast

perfectly fine under conditions. But what we are doing is a

limited/abstaining fast. And may I add that we are abstaining from things

that our physicians and bodies would like us to abstain from anyway. Mostly

what I would like to add is that I can't help that we are all being grouped

here in several ways. One, I feel the old mantra of " there HAS to be an

eating/mental disorder going on here " thing......I find this offensive! And

two.......that the people who are choosing to participate in this are

brainless....that we don't have any individuality in our understanding of

our own eating/thought patterns. There have been several people who have

stated that they cannot participate because they KNOW that it will wreck

havoc in their eating........KUDOS to them......I FULLY understand and

respect that.......but why are the people who are choosing to do this, with

forethought, not being given the same respect??? I think this whole thing

is being blown WAY outta proportion. I don't think anyone involved saw this

as a " magic pill " or expected it to do anything but help them rid themselves

of some bad habits that they fell into and will probably fall again some

day. And your right about the fact that in a couple of weeks we will

probably get some reports from people that this really threw them into a

tailspin.......I expected it......but I also felt that it would probably be

a great learning experience for them......kinda like what Dan just went thru

with his late night eating...........all of this is live and learn......and

we all have to do it for ourselves...............just my .02. P.

To: <Graduate-OSSG >

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 2:21 PM

Subject: Re: " Everyone is different with food " ...

Everyone is different with food and I couldn't agree more that each has to

find their own way in recovery. I just don't think 'fasting' would normally

be 'recommended' as a strategy and While it may be possible for some to fast

without triggering old yo yo behaviors, it would not be typical, and

I'm sorry if I upset anyone by sounding an alarm about this but it's only an

alarm and I think it was needed. I appreciate all the nice posts 'thanking'

me for speaking up. It was impossible not to. We can agree to disagree if

need be, but I think what we do as individuals privately to help our

recoveries in large numbers, are very

different things... I

can't help wondering how would it be to learn a couple weeks from now that

several people who decided to try the group fast (because it sounded like

such a great idea!) became ill as a result or developed problems afterward

that took them very much off track? You could say they didn't have to do

it

and no one twisted their arm etc. but the fact is that the people they look

to for support and guidance here on this list were all saying it was a great

idea... so naturally they wanted to try it too.

Obviously I continue to question the wisdom of 'fasting' for anyone aspiring

to long term healthy eating. I believe it's very risky, and more

importantly, I am unaccustomed to seeing risky suggestions on the Grad

list. Recovering Bariatric patients place great trust in the experience of

this group. With that kind of trust comes great responsibility.

I couldn't agree more that " recovery is a very individual process " . That is

precisely why this group-fueled, high-risk behavior worried me so much.

I hope those of you who felt the need to explore it will not be harmed in

any

way. I have nothing but best wishes for all of you in your recoveries.

Carol

Shrinkin in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Private Practice: Ambler, PA

Clinical Memberships:

American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

Academy For Eating Disorders

Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

Director: My Self Design

A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery patients

see www.myselfdesign.com