Re: A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:22:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

CarolASig@... writes:

> I think 'fasting' or restricting the diet to protein only is a very

> dangerous idea for people with long term complusive eating problems.

>

> It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-ops should

> aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable practices that

> become familiar and easy to follow.

I guess if I'm being honest, I would be one of those with a compulsive eating

problem, although I don't qualify for a formal diagnosis by any stretch.

Personally, I have very little middle ground. Stability for me means either

eating it, or not eating it. Where sugar is concerned, it is truly an all or

nothing. Doing it in moderation is not a viable option. I either don't eat

it all, or I seem to eat it out of control.

Haven't decided yet whether I'm doing the protein drinks only or not. I'll

let you know around noon on Monday, which is when the food demons usually

start to voice their opinions.

Kate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:22:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

CarolASig@... writes:

> I think 'fasting' or restricting the diet to protein only is a very

> dangerous idea for people with long term complusive eating problems.

>

> It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-ops should

> aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable practices that

> become familiar and easy to follow.

I guess if I'm being honest, I would be one of those with a compulsive eating

problem, although I don't qualify for a formal diagnosis by any stretch.

Personally, I have very little middle ground. Stability for me means either

eating it, or not eating it. Where sugar is concerned, it is truly an all or

nothing. Doing it in moderation is not a viable option. I either don't eat

it all, or I seem to eat it out of control.

Haven't decided yet whether I'm doing the protein drinks only or not. I'll

let you know around noon on Monday, which is when the food demons usually

start to voice their opinions.

Kate

[Guest guest]

>> I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been

reading about here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I

think 'fasting' or restricting the diet to protein only is a very

dangerous idea for people with long term complusive eating problems.>>

*****Carol, I appreciate your concern, but I respectfully disagree.

This is a wide generalization, and for those with anorexic or bulemic

tendecies ( " long term compulsive eating problems " ), I do agree.

However, the vast majority of us are neither anorexic or bulemic, and

I don't believe 1-3 days of protein will compromise our long-term

health, and in fact, may improve it. It is being done specifically

to re-awaken our surgical tool, a simple back to basics for a day or

2 or 3.

>> It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-

ops should aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable

practices that become familiar and easy to follow.  If your eating

is 'out of control' or your pants have become a little too snug, the

answer is not a 'fast' cure.  The answer is a slow deliberate

tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD

more physical activity and more employment of healthy coping

strategies. <<

*****True, in an ideal world, but to me, the terminology, " coping

strategies " is reminiscent of the word " willpower. " It's implication

is that it's all my fault, I have failed myself, and that's simply

not the case at all. I don't disagree that a slow withdrawal of

carbs is safer or healthier in the long run, but it is simply not

realistic for most of us. Hence the statistic that less than 5% of

people (non-WLS) can actually keep any weight lost off.

>>Make changes you can keep.  It may also be a good time to explore

what's going on inside your heart and life more carefully to see what

is causing you to put your hard-won precious health in jeopardy. >>

*****Perhaps it's not something in my heart and life, perhaps it's

not an eating disorder at all. Perhaps it's a genetic or chemical

abnormality which does not allow feelings of satiety until we can not

physically eat any more. It's not always " in your head. " I'm not

saying that our eating or fasting is never emotional, but sometimes,

we just have to stop blaming the victim.

JMHO,

in NJ

[Guest guest]

>> I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been

reading about here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I

think 'fasting' or restricting the diet to protein only is a very

dangerous idea for people with long term complusive eating problems.>>

*****Carol, I appreciate your concern, but I respectfully disagree.

This is a wide generalization, and for those with anorexic or bulemic

tendecies ( " long term compulsive eating problems " ), I do agree.

However, the vast majority of us are neither anorexic or bulemic, and

I don't believe 1-3 days of protein will compromise our long-term

health, and in fact, may improve it. It is being done specifically

to re-awaken our surgical tool, a simple back to basics for a day or

2 or 3.

>> It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-

ops should aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable

practices that become familiar and easy to follow.  If your eating

is 'out of control' or your pants have become a little too snug, the

answer is not a 'fast' cure.  The answer is a slow deliberate

tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD

more physical activity and more employment of healthy coping

strategies. <<

*****True, in an ideal world, but to me, the terminology, " coping

strategies " is reminiscent of the word " willpower. " It's implication

is that it's all my fault, I have failed myself, and that's simply

not the case at all. I don't disagree that a slow withdrawal of

carbs is safer or healthier in the long run, but it is simply not

realistic for most of us. Hence the statistic that less than 5% of

people (non-WLS) can actually keep any weight lost off.

>>Make changes you can keep.  It may also be a good time to explore

what's going on inside your heart and life more carefully to see what

is causing you to put your hard-won precious health in jeopardy. >>

*****Perhaps it's not something in my heart and life, perhaps it's

not an eating disorder at all. Perhaps it's a genetic or chemical

abnormality which does not allow feelings of satiety until we can not

physically eat any more. It's not always " in your head. " I'm not

saying that our eating or fasting is never emotional, but sometimes,

we just have to stop blaming the victim.

JMHO,

in NJ

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not doing a protein fast to cure compulsive eating

issues. I never had any compulsive eating pre-op and don't post op,

have a great psychiatrist to prove it (pre-op anyway). My pants

aren't too tight, I haven't gained weight, I'm fully in control of

my life. I am doing the fast to break a massive plateau, to shock

my body into making a change. A bit of showing myself who is in

control.

I would hope you'd reserve judgement on people you don't know and

don't know the issues they face. If others are doing this fast to

chase away the carb demons, or munchy monsters, more power to them.

Maybe three days of success will be enough to prove to themselves

that they are in control.

Good luck to everyone, I'll be right with you come Monday morning.

KathyM

> I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been

reading about

> here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I

think 'fasting' or

> restricting the diet to protein only is a very dangerous idea for

people with

> long term complusive eating problems.

>

> It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-

ops should

> aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable

practices that

> become familiar and easy to follow.  Fasting is a throwback to the

dieting

> days of yore...those halcyon days that did us all such a world of

good and

> bought us membership in morbid obesity.  It's tempting, oh so

tempting, to

> try to UNDO a bit of OVERdoing with a drastic change in

consumption (even for

> a short time) but it's fool's gold.  It doesn't teach us to make

the kind of

> small measured changes which we can hold onto over time.  Don't do

it.

>

> If your eating is 'out of control' or your pants have become a

little too

> snug, the answer is not a 'fast' cure.  The answer is a slow

deliberate

> tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD

more

> physical activity and more employment of healthy coping

strategies.  Make

> changes you can keep.  It may also be a good time to explore

what's going on

> inside your heart and life more carefully to see what is causing

you to put

> your hard-won precious health in jeopardy. 

> Every action has a consequence and certainly all of us on this

list has

> learned the hard way that restrictive eating inevitably leads to

> overindulgence. 

>

> This week it's a two day fast.  Next week it's a binge that gets

rationalized

> by thinking " I'll just do another two day fast to make up for it. 

If you

> were out of shape physically you wouldn't expect to catch up by

racing to the

> gym for a 2 day, non stop, extreme workout. 

>

> The quick fix is always so seductive, isn't it?  But we need to

think of our

> recovery from morbid obesity like a marathon not a sprint.  We are

in this

> for the long hall, not the wedding this spring or the date next

month, or the

> contest online this week. 

> Don't trade what you want the most for what you want at the moment.

> Just my worried and vehement . 02!

>

> Carol

> Shrinkin' in Philly

>

>

>

> Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

> Open RNY '98 HUP Phila.

> Program Director, My Self Design

> Aftercare Program for Bariatric Surgery

> www.myselfdesign.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not doing a protein fast to cure compulsive eating

issues. I never had any compulsive eating pre-op and don't post op,

have a great psychiatrist to prove it (pre-op anyway). My pants

aren't too tight, I haven't gained weight, I'm fully in control of

my life. I am doing the fast to break a massive plateau, to shock

my body into making a change. A bit of showing myself who is in

control.

I would hope you'd reserve judgement on people you don't know and

don't know the issues they face. If others are doing this fast to

chase away the carb demons, or munchy monsters, more power to them.

Maybe three days of success will be enough to prove to themselves

that they are in control.

Good luck to everyone, I'll be right with you come Monday morning.

KathyM

> I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been

reading about

> here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I

think 'fasting' or

> restricting the diet to protein only is a very dangerous idea for

people with

> long term complusive eating problems.

>

> It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-

ops should

> aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable

practices that

> become familiar and easy to follow.  Fasting is a throwback to the

dieting

> days of yore...those halcyon days that did us all such a world of

good and

> bought us membership in morbid obesity.  It's tempting, oh so

tempting, to

> try to UNDO a bit of OVERdoing with a drastic change in

consumption (even for

> a short time) but it's fool's gold.  It doesn't teach us to make

the kind of

> small measured changes which we can hold onto over time.  Don't do

it.

>

> If your eating is 'out of control' or your pants have become a

little too

> snug, the answer is not a 'fast' cure.  The answer is a slow

deliberate

> tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD

more

> physical activity and more employment of healthy coping

strategies.  Make

> changes you can keep.  It may also be a good time to explore

what's going on

> inside your heart and life more carefully to see what is causing

you to put

> your hard-won precious health in jeopardy. 

> Every action has a consequence and certainly all of us on this

list has

> learned the hard way that restrictive eating inevitably leads to

> overindulgence. 

>

> This week it's a two day fast.  Next week it's a binge that gets

rationalized

> by thinking " I'll just do another two day fast to make up for it. 

If you

> were out of shape physically you wouldn't expect to catch up by

racing to the

> gym for a 2 day, non stop, extreme workout. 

>

> The quick fix is always so seductive, isn't it?  But we need to

think of our

> recovery from morbid obesity like a marathon not a sprint.  We are

in this

> for the long hall, not the wedding this spring or the date next

month, or the

> contest online this week. 

> Don't trade what you want the most for what you want at the moment.

> Just my worried and vehement . 02!

>

> Carol

> Shrinkin' in Philly

>

>

>

> Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

> Open RNY '98 HUP Phila.

> Program Director, My Self Design

> Aftercare Program for Bariatric Surgery

> www.myselfdesign.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This has given me pause....Thank you for having the nerve to post this

Carol... I really appreciate what you are saying, and I have to agree...

I'm not quashing anyone else's need to do the 3x protein only days, I

just know myself well enough that I'd be setting myself up... We all

know ourselves and whether or not deep down this will work for us

I don't want to go back to the black and white world of all or nothing.

I all or nothinged my way to over 300lbs. Maintaining my weight as been

all about shades of grey for me since I reached my " goal " numbers.

Just the thought of this 3 day program has me feeling nervous about

failure, guilty about thinking of failure, kooky about thinking what

constitutes failure... eeeeeesh

I'm going to use these 3 days instead to restart the practice of

" mindful " eating. Go back to " choosing " whether or not I'm going to eat

something. Go back to not thinking about food as " BAD " or " GOOD " . Get

back on the protein shake bandwagon as supplementation, get my labs done

tomorrow so I know where I stand again and carry on. As a matter of

fact, I'm starting right flipping NOW. No more of this " I can start

again on Monday " line of thinking either. RAAR.

I went to the gym by myself on Saturday after having gone the previous

weekdays with my workout partner and it felt wonderful. I'm happy to be

back in that " zone " and I know it will make all the difference!

I do use the scale daily, but because I weight lift the ultimate

measurement of how I'm doing for me is my " Tonya " pants. When I was

300+ I envied my girlfriend Tonya... She was/is what I consider perfect

and hourglass shaped. On summer day not long after I had reached my

goal I was at her house and she said " I have some things for you. " She

pulled out of her closet a few pairs of pants and shirts and what not,

and I found that THEY FIT ME. So, now when I really need to know how

I'm doing, I try on my favorite Tonya pants *grin*

Welp, here's to not feeling guilty, not driving myself nuts, and doing

what I need to do to be healthy. To me nothing tastes as good as being

razor sharp and fit!

As my girlfriend Tonya says " accepting your suckitude is the 1st step on

the road to non-suckage " .

I'll be here cheering for all of us to get back to what works and what

makes us healthy!

http://www.eradain.com/apoplexy

A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been reading

about

here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I think 'fasting' or

restricting the diet to protein only is a very dangerous idea for people

with

long term complusive eating problems.

It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-ops

should

aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable practices

that

become familiar and easy to follow.  Fasting is a throwback to the

dieting

days of yore...those halcyon days that did us all such a world of good

and

bought us membership in morbid obesity.  It's tempting, oh so tempting,

to

try to UNDO a bit of OVERdoing with a drastic change in consumption

(even for

a short time) but it's fool's gold.  It doesn't teach us to make the

kind of

small measured changes which we can hold onto over time.  Don't do it.

If your eating is 'out of control' or your pants have become a little

too

snug, the answer is not a 'fast' cure.  The answer is a slow deliberate

tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD more

physical activity and more employment of healthy coping strategies. 

Make

changes you can keep.  It may also be a good time to explore what's

going on

inside your heart and life more carefully to see what is causing you to

put

your hard-won precious health in jeopardy. 

Every action has a consequence and certainly all of us on this list has

learned the hard way that restrictive eating inevitably leads to

overindulgence. 

This week it's a two day fast.  Next week it's a binge that gets

rationalized

by thinking " I'll just do another two day fast to make up for it.  If

you

were out of shape physically you wouldn't expect to catch up by racing

to the

gym for a 2 day, non stop, extreme workout. 

The quick fix is always so seductive, isn't it?  But we need to think of

our

recovery from morbid obesity like a marathon not a sprint.  We are in

this

for the long hall, not the wedding this spring or the date next month,

or the

contest online this week. 

Don't trade what you want the most for what you want at the moment.

Just my worried and vehement . 02!

Carol

Shrinkin' in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Open RNY '98 HUP Phila.

Program Director, My Self Design

Aftercare Program for Bariatric Surgery

www.myselfdesign.com

[Guest guest]

This has given me pause....Thank you for having the nerve to post this

Carol... I really appreciate what you are saying, and I have to agree...

I'm not quashing anyone else's need to do the 3x protein only days, I

just know myself well enough that I'd be setting myself up... We all

know ourselves and whether or not deep down this will work for us

I don't want to go back to the black and white world of all or nothing.

I all or nothinged my way to over 300lbs. Maintaining my weight as been

all about shades of grey for me since I reached my " goal " numbers.

Just the thought of this 3 day program has me feeling nervous about

failure, guilty about thinking of failure, kooky about thinking what

constitutes failure... eeeeeesh

I'm going to use these 3 days instead to restart the practice of

" mindful " eating. Go back to " choosing " whether or not I'm going to eat

something. Go back to not thinking about food as " BAD " or " GOOD " . Get

back on the protein shake bandwagon as supplementation, get my labs done

tomorrow so I know where I stand again and carry on. As a matter of

fact, I'm starting right flipping NOW. No more of this " I can start

again on Monday " line of thinking either. RAAR.

I went to the gym by myself on Saturday after having gone the previous

weekdays with my workout partner and it felt wonderful. I'm happy to be

back in that " zone " and I know it will make all the difference!

I do use the scale daily, but because I weight lift the ultimate

measurement of how I'm doing for me is my " Tonya " pants. When I was

300+ I envied my girlfriend Tonya... She was/is what I consider perfect

and hourglass shaped. On summer day not long after I had reached my

goal I was at her house and she said " I have some things for you. " She

pulled out of her closet a few pairs of pants and shirts and what not,

and I found that THEY FIT ME. So, now when I really need to know how

I'm doing, I try on my favorite Tonya pants *grin*

Welp, here's to not feeling guilty, not driving myself nuts, and doing

what I need to do to be healthy. To me nothing tastes as good as being

razor sharp and fit!

As my girlfriend Tonya says " accepting your suckitude is the 1st step on

the road to non-suckage " .

I'll be here cheering for all of us to get back to what works and what

makes us healthy!

http://www.eradain.com/apoplexy

A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been reading

about

here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I think 'fasting' or

restricting the diet to protein only is a very dangerous idea for people

with

long term complusive eating problems.

It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-ops

should

aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable practices

that

become familiar and easy to follow.  Fasting is a throwback to the

dieting

days of yore...those halcyon days that did us all such a world of good

and

bought us membership in morbid obesity.  It's tempting, oh so tempting,

to

try to UNDO a bit of OVERdoing with a drastic change in consumption

(even for

a short time) but it's fool's gold.  It doesn't teach us to make the

kind of

small measured changes which we can hold onto over time.  Don't do it.

If your eating is 'out of control' or your pants have become a little

too

snug, the answer is not a 'fast' cure.  The answer is a slow deliberate

tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD more

physical activity and more employment of healthy coping strategies. 

Make

changes you can keep.  It may also be a good time to explore what's

going on

inside your heart and life more carefully to see what is causing you to

put

your hard-won precious health in jeopardy. 

Every action has a consequence and certainly all of us on this list has

learned the hard way that restrictive eating inevitably leads to

overindulgence. 

This week it's a two day fast.  Next week it's a binge that gets

rationalized

by thinking " I'll just do another two day fast to make up for it.  If

you

were out of shape physically you wouldn't expect to catch up by racing

to the

gym for a 2 day, non stop, extreme workout. 

The quick fix is always so seductive, isn't it?  But we need to think of

our

recovery from morbid obesity like a marathon not a sprint.  We are in

this

for the long hall, not the wedding this spring or the date next month,

or the

contest online this week. 

Don't trade what you want the most for what you want at the moment.

Just my worried and vehement . 02!

Carol

Shrinkin' in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Open RNY '98 HUP Phila.

Program Director, My Self Design

Aftercare Program for Bariatric Surgery

www.myselfdesign.com

[Guest guest]

Okay I just have to speak on the 3 day protein thing. I have to agree with

, we all have to do what's best for us. For me, I'd love to be able to

do just protein shakes, I know, however, I can't. There is no way in hell. I

also think that there is a misunderstanding about protein shakes not causing

weight gain. First it depends on what ya throw in them. Second if you take

in more calories than you burn then you will have weight gain. My problem

now, with weight lifting is that I can't get in enough cals to build the

muscles I want, I burn them off. Carol, I think it's very brave of you to

post with a comment that is sure to fire some people up. I also think what

you've done with your life, and for other's in the same boat is wonderful.

Randy

A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been reading

about

here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I think 'fasting' or

restricting the diet to protein only is a very dangerous idea for people

with

long term complusive eating problems.

It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-ops

should

aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable practices

that

become familiar and easy to follow. Fasting is a throwback to the

dieting

days of yore...those halcyon days that did us all such a world of good

and

bought us membership in morbid obesity. It's tempting, oh so tempting,

to

try to UNDO a bit of OVERdoing with a drastic change in consumption

(even for

a short time) but it's fool's gold. It doesn't teach us to make the

kind of

small measured changes which we can hold onto over time. Don't do it.

If your eating is 'out of control' or your pants have become a little

too

snug, the answer is not a 'fast' cure. The answer is a slow deliberate

tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD more

physical activity and more employment of healthy coping strategies.

Make

changes you can keep. It may also be a good time to explore what's

going on

inside your heart and life more carefully to see what is causing you to

put

your hard-won precious health in jeopardy.

Every action has a consequence and certainly all of us on this list has

learned the hard way that restrictive eating inevitably leads to

overindulgence.

This week it's a two day fast. Next week it's a binge that gets

rationalized

by thinking " I'll just do another two day fast to make up for it. If

you

were out of shape physically you wouldn't expect to catch up by racing

to the

gym for a 2 day, non stop, extreme workout.

The quick fix is always so seductive, isn't it? But we need to think of

our

recovery from morbid obesity like a marathon not a sprint. We are in

this

for the long hall, not the wedding this spring or the date next month,

or the

contest online this week.

Don't trade what you want the most for what you want at the moment.

Just my worried and vehement . 02!

Carol

Shrinkin' in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Open RNY '98 HUP Phila.

Program Director, My Self Design

Aftercare Program for Bariatric Surgery

www.myselfdesign.com

[Guest guest]

Okay I just have to speak on the 3 day protein thing. I have to agree with

, we all have to do what's best for us. For me, I'd love to be able to

do just protein shakes, I know, however, I can't. There is no way in hell. I

also think that there is a misunderstanding about protein shakes not causing

weight gain. First it depends on what ya throw in them. Second if you take

in more calories than you burn then you will have weight gain. My problem

now, with weight lifting is that I can't get in enough cals to build the

muscles I want, I burn them off. Carol, I think it's very brave of you to

post with a comment that is sure to fire some people up. I also think what

you've done with your life, and for other's in the same boat is wonderful.

Randy

A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

I am very concerned about the 'group' protein fast I've been reading

about

here today. I hate to rain on anybody's parade but I think 'fasting' or

restricting the diet to protein only is a very dangerous idea for people

with

long term complusive eating problems.

It's always been my personal and professional opinion that post-ops

should

aim for STABILITY with food and eating... long term stable practices

that

become familiar and easy to follow. Fasting is a throwback to the

dieting

days of yore...those halcyon days that did us all such a world of good

and

bought us membership in morbid obesity. It's tempting, oh so tempting,

to

try to UNDO a bit of OVERdoing with a drastic change in consumption

(even for

a short time) but it's fool's gold. It doesn't teach us to make the

kind of

small measured changes which we can hold onto over time. Don't do it.

If your eating is 'out of control' or your pants have become a little

too

snug, the answer is not a 'fast' cure. The answer is a slow deliberate

tweaking AWAY from the higher carbs and poorer choices and TOWARD more

physical activity and more employment of healthy coping strategies.

Make

changes you can keep. It may also be a good time to explore what's

going on

inside your heart and life more carefully to see what is causing you to

put

your hard-won precious health in jeopardy.

Every action has a consequence and certainly all of us on this list has

learned the hard way that restrictive eating inevitably leads to

overindulgence.

This week it's a two day fast. Next week it's a binge that gets

rationalized

by thinking " I'll just do another two day fast to make up for it. If

you

were out of shape physically you wouldn't expect to catch up by racing

to the

gym for a 2 day, non stop, extreme workout.

The quick fix is always so seductive, isn't it? But we need to think of

our

recovery from morbid obesity like a marathon not a sprint. We are in

this

for the long hall, not the wedding this spring or the date next month,

or the

contest online this week.

Don't trade what you want the most for what you want at the moment.

Just my worried and vehement . 02!

Carol

Shrinkin' in Philly

Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

Open RNY '98 HUP Phila.

Program Director, My Self Design

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[Guest guest]

I have never, in 50 years, followed restricted eating by anything but

overeating.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Re: A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

> Thank you for your post, Carol. It's sound advice that is too often

> turned aside because it seems that many of us are still looking for

> some sort of " magic " solution in our struggle to lose weight and

> maintain our loss.

>

> I share the same feelings of concern that Carol noted each time I see

> people flocking to the call of some sort of " jump start plan " or

> express solution to getting back on track. There are simply no

> shortcuts... not for me, anyway.

>

> Thanks for the two-cents, Carol.

>

> Keltie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never, in 50 years, followed restricted eating by anything but

overeating.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Re: A loud 'no' vote on the protein/fast

> Thank you for your post, Carol. It's sound advice that is too often

> turned aside because it seems that many of us are still looking for

> some sort of " magic " solution in our struggle to lose weight and

> maintain our loss.

>

> I share the same feelings of concern that Carol noted each time I see

> people flocking to the call of some sort of " jump start plan " or

> express solution to getting back on track. There are simply no

> shortcuts... not for me, anyway.

>

> Thanks for the two-cents, Carol.

>

> Keltie

>

>

>