Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Dear ALL: This is less than one cent worth, LESS THAN because I have not sat down with Fay and learned her history, but want to respond to something she mentions, that is, obsession. For some persons, not saying Fay now mind you, the bolting of food, or the 'extreme need " to eat, or the sudden " must have right now a great deal of food " or the " continuous nursing " of food, can be a symptom of a chemicological imbalance, that we sometimes put under category of panic disorder, sometimes obsessive compulsive disorder. Please don't concentrate on the word 'disorder.' What it really means is that something has gone out of kilter in the body and now causes incohesive behavior and that this needs attention. Will power is a somewhat primitive way of dealing with these organic outages. There are medications that help many people greatly. In these 'disorders', the signal being sent is one of low-level panic, all the way to four-alarm panic. Food appears to quiet some, not all but some, of the alarm symptoms. Most people think there are only two responses to fear and panic: Fight or flight. But, in my own anecdotal research over these years of post-trauma work, I find four: Flight (run away or reattach one's attention elsewhere), Fight (put up your dukes literally, or psychologically fight against 'negative messages in one's own mind), Fawning (give in to the pressure, grovel, acquiesce in order to lower one's stress levels, ) and Feed (use food, alcohol, drugs or sex, to turn down the volume of the feelings of fear-- whether they are warranted, or appear out of nowhere with no apparent cause.) Sometimes a panic disorder or OCD is masked by a profound history of abuse. In other words, the person's childhood history can in part cause some of the hypersensitivity to various matters, but underlying much of the current perseverative thought system (over and over again thinking the same disheartening set of thoughts) is actually an organic disorder that responds well to medication.) Those meds need to be assessed and adjusted on a regular basis as chemistry dances around depending on the STRESSES, including happinesses, in people's lives. The continual reassessment, and sometimes change of the 'cocktail' needs to be done on a regular basis. What is called non-compliance, can also be an issue to keep an eye on. Non-compliance really just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do without the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back into the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what it cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each season without planting the seeds and watering them daily. Incidentally, the panic disorder or OCD does not invalidate in any way the abuse a person suffered as a child. It means that there are two diagnoses, not just one. Just to think about... To reiterate, if it is a bona fide panic disorder, one needs to look into seeing about medical intervention. This is my opinion. love, ceep Subject: obessession I am used to grazing and understand it. I know why, when, where and how. But, there is more now. I can't end a meal. I eat feel full and want to keep on eating. I am obsessed. If I can get through the obsession for and hour or less, I am okay. But if it overtakes me, I keep on eating until who knows when. It is as if my stomach knows it is full, but it takes another hour for my brain to know. There are so many ways to get through this, I can use my treadmill, get on the phone, or anything. But sometimes it is so strong, I feel like I will lose my mind if I don't eat. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Dear ALL: This is less than one cent worth, LESS THAN because I have not sat down with Fay and learned her history, but want to respond to something she mentions, that is, obsession. For some persons, not saying Fay now mind you, the bolting of food, or the 'extreme need " to eat, or the sudden " must have right now a great deal of food " or the " continuous nursing " of food, can be a symptom of a chemicological imbalance, that we sometimes put under category of panic disorder, sometimes obsessive compulsive disorder. Please don't concentrate on the word 'disorder.' What it really means is that something has gone out of kilter in the body and now causes incohesive behavior and that this needs attention. Will power is a somewhat primitive way of dealing with these organic outages. There are medications that help many people greatly. In these 'disorders', the signal being sent is one of low-level panic, all the way to four-alarm panic. Food appears to quiet some, not all but some, of the alarm symptoms. Most people think there are only two responses to fear and panic: Fight or flight. But, in my own anecdotal research over these years of post-trauma work, I find four: Flight (run away or reattach one's attention elsewhere), Fight (put up your dukes literally, or psychologically fight against 'negative messages in one's own mind), Fawning (give in to the pressure, grovel, acquiesce in order to lower one's stress levels, ) and Feed (use food, alcohol, drugs or sex, to turn down the volume of the feelings of fear-- whether they are warranted, or appear out of nowhere with no apparent cause.) Sometimes a panic disorder or OCD is masked by a profound history of abuse. In other words, the person's childhood history can in part cause some of the hypersensitivity to various matters, but underlying much of the current perseverative thought system (over and over again thinking the same disheartening set of thoughts) is actually an organic disorder that responds well to medication.) Those meds need to be assessed and adjusted on a regular basis as chemistry dances around depending on the STRESSES, including happinesses, in people's lives. The continual reassessment, and sometimes change of the 'cocktail' needs to be done on a regular basis. What is called non-compliance, can also be an issue to keep an eye on. Non-compliance really just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do without the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back into the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what it cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each season without planting the seeds and watering them daily. Incidentally, the panic disorder or OCD does not invalidate in any way the abuse a person suffered as a child. It means that there are two diagnoses, not just one. Just to think about... To reiterate, if it is a bona fide panic disorder, one needs to look into seeing about medical intervention. This is my opinion. love, ceep Subject: obessession I am used to grazing and understand it. I know why, when, where and how. But, there is more now. I can't end a meal. I eat feel full and want to keep on eating. I am obsessed. If I can get through the obsession for and hour or less, I am okay. But if it overtakes me, I keep on eating until who knows when. It is as if my stomach knows it is full, but it takes another hour for my brain to know. There are so many ways to get through this, I can use my treadmill, get on the phone, or anything. But sometimes it is so strong, I feel like I will lose my mind if I don't eat. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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