Re: everyone is different with food, let each find their own way

[Guest guest]

Ceep, you are so wise, you touch all of us.

Big hugs,

in NJ

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> >

> It is good for people always to have hope, to do well for

themselves, to try new things that are useful to them, to strive

toward what they believe in and what they think will bring them more

happiness. We all find our own way, sometimes as much by detours as

by bee-lines. I am not discouraged by people who try all kinds of

things, I only be concerned when people try nothing. The soul

deserves everything you have to give.

>

[Guest guest]

Ceep, you are so wise, you touch all of us.

Big hugs,

in NJ

*************************

> >

> It is good for people always to have hope, to do well for

themselves, to try new things that are useful to them, to strive

toward what they believe in and what they think will bring them more

happiness. We all find our own way, sometimes as much by detours as

by bee-lines. I am not discouraged by people who try all kinds of

things, I only be concerned when people try nothing. The soul

deserves everything you have to give.

>

[Guest guest]

Ceep, you have been given such a gift with words and understanding.

You are a blessing to the poor soul who has never even met you.

Thank You.

I've started my day like I start every week day, enjoying a protein

drink. Get's my day started right. The only differance today is

that I intend to prove to myself that I can have the will power to

do a small fast. I enjoy my protein drinks, they fill me up and

satisfy my hunger so I'm thinking this will be awful, but we'll see.

KathyM

> Dear Brave Souls:

>

> This is just ceep's two cent's worth: I think I can grasp

everyone's point of

> view and concerns and ideas and enthusiasms...and just thought I

would offer

> a quick run-down of 'food-relation types. "

>

> Everyone finds their own way. Some are moderation people, some are

fasters,

> some are jump starters, some are regulators, some are orderly,

some are

> spontaneous--this is human nature. (list-dad) is always one

of the

> first to say that your mileage will vary and that what works for

one will not

> work for all, and I have to agree.

>

> 1. Eating disorder: Just as a reminder to all of us who have

struggled so

> greatly over so so many years: The phrase 'eating disorder' is

thrown about

> sometimes a mite too trivially in our modern culture. It is a

serious,

> serious disorder that often is undergirded by an undiagnosed

anxiety disorder

> and/or panic disorder. (or organic depression) The person with

such almost

> loses consciousness during the time they are eating or bingeing or

vomiting

> destructively. When the underlying disorder is treated, the person

can lead a

> life with food that is not filled with anxiety to the point where

it causes

> them to panic or act destructively. They also find they are not

worried about

> everything that comes down the pike so much any more either. They

may also be

> in a better position to deal with other SEPARATE mental health

issues as

> well.

>

> here are just a few of the other 'personality type' issues we see

a lot

> around food:

>

> 2. Food as Soporific: There are other people who 'relax ' with

food. One

> could say that their symptom or cue to eat is catalyzed by a mood

shift or

> change. For them, most often learning other ways to calm down

helps them

> greatly moderate what they eat. They tend to go to carbs because

certain

> carbs calm the body, make it even a little sleepy--which registers

to the

> body as nice and calm. When they learn their self-calming

techniques -- and

> use them consistently--there's the key-- they do just fine. (these

are often

> the same folk who say they eat when happy, when sad, when scared,

when mad,

> etc.)

>

> 3. Unconscious Eaters: Some people are just unconscious about what

they eat;

> they have other things on their minds, they are in a hurry, or

are 'constant

> can-do' kinds of people always in a 'state' of motion. For them,

Behavior

> modification often helps; chewing a certain number of times,

putting fork

> down in between bites. Taking supps and vits at regular times,

etc. Learning

> to regulate, instead of being spontaneous about food.

>

> 4. Uninformed Eaters: For yet others, learning to eat nutritiously

and as

> though one's body is precious, and needs their care, is a whole

new way of

> approaching food. They learn about the importance of eating to

nourish, to

> help, to heal the body. This is a whole other category. This

category

> inclludes learning what foods settle, comfort, energize, create

moods, etc.

>

> 5. Trauma-eating: This is wherein a person symbolically expresses

a need or

> protection or desire by eating food. Both the food chosen, the

time it is

> eaten, the amount eaten in, the desired outcomes of eating the

food, all are

> highly symbolic, that is, they have extra MEANING in a symbolic

way to the

> person her or himself. The meaning is not planted by the

therapist, but comes

> directly and meaningfully to the patient through their exploring

their

> fantasies, feelings, thoughts, imaginings and dreams. This is a

lot of what

> goes on in a therapy.

>

> 6. Multiple Causations Eating Disturbance: Sometimes, in rare

cases, some of

> all of the above ways with food can overlap each other a bit and a

person can

> come to terms with a multiple rather than a singular remedy.

>

> 7. Organic Disorders, Lastly, there are what we call appetite and

satiation

> issues that are a whole separate category in and of themselves.

These

> include over-eatng and under-eating. They also include eating to

mediate

> actual physical pain, such as over-production of acid, wehre in

person eats

> lots of brea, cereal, potatoes and othre soft foods that at least

for a while

> tone down the burning. People often eat to mediate physical pain

of all

> kinds; foot pain, back pain, intestibal dicomfort, etc. This must

be explored

> carefully and precisely.

>

> In all though, impulse control, prayer, mindfulness, medication,

information,

> education, intentions, fasting, jump starts, cleansing programs--

all these

> have been a part of spiritual practices for thousands of years--

although

> years ago people were of course 'treated' with herbal remedies

rather than

> modern meddies. The point is, what works for one cannot

necessarily be

> applied to all others. For some, a little of each might work best,

depending,

> For some only one way works for them -- or only works for a while

and then

> must be adapted. Adaptation is the great genius of human beings,

and it is

> called upon to be used wit food as one's circumstances and

stresses and

> happinesses ebb and flow.

>

> You can't treat a cold with hive medicine, and you cant treat a

burn by

> getting a haircut. You have to first pin down what the problem is,

and then

> once THAT is diagnosed, then you seek the remedies. Thankfully,

for the many

> issues around food and nurture, there are many remedies. Part of

the problem

> in mental health for years has been not taking a careful inventory

of each

> individual to see what the underlying issue(s) really is (are). As

a shrink

> for thirty-three years, I can mention unequivocally that there is

no way that

> behavior mod will reverse a true and full-blown anxiety disorder,

just as

> there is no way taking an SSRI will work for people who are not

depressed or

> anxious.

>

> It is good for people always to have hope, to do well for

themselves, to try

> new things that are useful to them, to strive toward what they

believe in and

> what they think will bring them more happiness. We all find our

own way,

> sometimes as much by detours as by bee-lines. I am not discouraged

by people

> who try all kinds of things, I only be concerned when people try

nothing. The

> soul deserves everything you have to give.

>

> just my two cent's worth

[Guest guest]

Ceep, you have been given such a gift with words and understanding.

You are a blessing to the poor soul who has never even met you.

Thank You.

I've started my day like I start every week day, enjoying a protein

drink. Get's my day started right. The only differance today is

that I intend to prove to myself that I can have the will power to

do a small fast. I enjoy my protein drinks, they fill me up and

satisfy my hunger so I'm thinking this will be awful, but we'll see.

KathyM

> Dear Brave Souls:

>

> This is just ceep's two cent's worth: I think I can grasp

everyone's point of

> view and concerns and ideas and enthusiasms...and just thought I

would offer

> a quick run-down of 'food-relation types. "

>

> Everyone finds their own way. Some are moderation people, some are

fasters,

> some are jump starters, some are regulators, some are orderly,

some are

> spontaneous--this is human nature. (list-dad) is always one

of the

> first to say that your mileage will vary and that what works for

one will not

> work for all, and I have to agree.

>

> 1. Eating disorder: Just as a reminder to all of us who have

struggled so

> greatly over so so many years: The phrase 'eating disorder' is

thrown about

> sometimes a mite too trivially in our modern culture. It is a

serious,

> serious disorder that often is undergirded by an undiagnosed

anxiety disorder

> and/or panic disorder. (or organic depression) The person with

such almost

> loses consciousness during the time they are eating or bingeing or

vomiting

> destructively. When the underlying disorder is treated, the person

can lead a

> life with food that is not filled with anxiety to the point where

it causes

> them to panic or act destructively. They also find they are not

worried about

> everything that comes down the pike so much any more either. They

may also be

> in a better position to deal with other SEPARATE mental health

issues as

> well.

>

> here are just a few of the other 'personality type' issues we see

a lot

> around food:

>

> 2. Food as Soporific: There are other people who 'relax ' with

food. One

> could say that their symptom or cue to eat is catalyzed by a mood

shift or

> change. For them, most often learning other ways to calm down

helps them

> greatly moderate what they eat. They tend to go to carbs because

certain

> carbs calm the body, make it even a little sleepy--which registers

to the

> body as nice and calm. When they learn their self-calming

techniques -- and

> use them consistently--there's the key-- they do just fine. (these

are often

> the same folk who say they eat when happy, when sad, when scared,

when mad,

> etc.)

>

> 3. Unconscious Eaters: Some people are just unconscious about what

they eat;

> they have other things on their minds, they are in a hurry, or

are 'constant

> can-do' kinds of people always in a 'state' of motion. For them,

Behavior

> modification often helps; chewing a certain number of times,

putting fork

> down in between bites. Taking supps and vits at regular times,

etc. Learning

> to regulate, instead of being spontaneous about food.

>

> 4. Uninformed Eaters: For yet others, learning to eat nutritiously

and as

> though one's body is precious, and needs their care, is a whole

new way of

> approaching food. They learn about the importance of eating to

nourish, to

> help, to heal the body. This is a whole other category. This

category

> inclludes learning what foods settle, comfort, energize, create

moods, etc.

>

> 5. Trauma-eating: This is wherein a person symbolically expresses

a need or

> protection or desire by eating food. Both the food chosen, the

time it is

> eaten, the amount eaten in, the desired outcomes of eating the

food, all are

> highly symbolic, that is, they have extra MEANING in a symbolic

way to the

> person her or himself. The meaning is not planted by the

therapist, but comes

> directly and meaningfully to the patient through their exploring

their

> fantasies, feelings, thoughts, imaginings and dreams. This is a

lot of what

> goes on in a therapy.

>

> 6. Multiple Causations Eating Disturbance: Sometimes, in rare

cases, some of

> all of the above ways with food can overlap each other a bit and a

person can

> come to terms with a multiple rather than a singular remedy.

>

> 7. Organic Disorders, Lastly, there are what we call appetite and

satiation

> issues that are a whole separate category in and of themselves.

These

> include over-eatng and under-eating. They also include eating to

mediate

> actual physical pain, such as over-production of acid, wehre in

person eats

> lots of brea, cereal, potatoes and othre soft foods that at least

for a while

> tone down the burning. People often eat to mediate physical pain

of all

> kinds; foot pain, back pain, intestibal dicomfort, etc. This must

be explored

> carefully and precisely.

>

> In all though, impulse control, prayer, mindfulness, medication,

information,

> education, intentions, fasting, jump starts, cleansing programs--

all these

> have been a part of spiritual practices for thousands of years--

although

> years ago people were of course 'treated' with herbal remedies

rather than

> modern meddies. The point is, what works for one cannot

necessarily be

> applied to all others. For some, a little of each might work best,

depending,

> For some only one way works for them -- or only works for a while

and then

> must be adapted. Adaptation is the great genius of human beings,

and it is

> called upon to be used wit food as one's circumstances and

stresses and

> happinesses ebb and flow.

>

> You can't treat a cold with hive medicine, and you cant treat a

burn by

> getting a haircut. You have to first pin down what the problem is,

and then

> once THAT is diagnosed, then you seek the remedies. Thankfully,

for the many

> issues around food and nurture, there are many remedies. Part of

the problem

> in mental health for years has been not taking a careful inventory

of each

> individual to see what the underlying issue(s) really is (are). As

a shrink

> for thirty-three years, I can mention unequivocally that there is

no way that

> behavior mod will reverse a true and full-blown anxiety disorder,

just as

> there is no way taking an SSRI will work for people who are not

depressed or

> anxious.

>

> It is good for people always to have hope, to do well for

themselves, to try

> new things that are useful to them, to strive toward what they

believe in and

> what they think will bring them more happiness. We all find our

own way,

> sometimes as much by detours as by bee-lines. I am not discouraged

by people

> who try all kinds of things, I only be concerned when people try

nothing. The

> soul deserves everything you have to give.

>

> just my two cent's worth

[Guest guest]

Very well put! You are now the official cheerleader for all of those trying

to make a difference! Don't know if I have the credentials to confer this

title on you, but here goes anyway! I'm sure most everyone else will

agree...Ceep...Queen of the Cheerleaders~

Hugs~

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

[Guest guest]

Very well put! You are now the official cheerleader for all of those trying

to make a difference! Don't know if I have the credentials to confer this

title on you, but here goes anyway! I'm sure most everyone else will

agree...Ceep...Queen of the Cheerleaders~

Hugs~

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3