RE: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery means weighing ...

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In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:55:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

> Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

>

>

Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people.

Fay

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In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:55:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

> Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

>

>

Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people.

Fay

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In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:59:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

<< Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

>

Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people. >>

He is not addressing the desperate lack of QUALITY of life suffered while

morbidly obese. That cannot be measured in anything other than devastating

terms.

B

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In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:59:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

<< Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

>

Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people. >>

He is not addressing the desperate lack of QUALITY of life suffered while

morbidly obese. That cannot be measured in anything other than devastating

terms.

B

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Gang,

I AGREE with you. I posted these so you could read them, not so you could be

pissed off by them. :-)

That said, I've met and spoken with Nick and , the reporters who worked on

these articles and who are going to continue to do so FOR THE NEXT YEAR as they

follow the progress of Jess and Leo Loos. Here's my reqest: respectfully,

kindly, but directly disagree with them if you need to. Their email addresses

are on the articles. There's also a link to tell them your story with each

article.

I will also say this; both and Nick are deeply impressed with us (the MO

who work to improve our health through surgery) and us (the members of EMOSS,

the Seattle-area support group I started) and I will be really disappointed if

these well-meaning people get a lot of unjustified hate mail. They are both

personally pro-surgery and I'd rather it stay that way. I don't know if hate

mail would sway their own personal opinions one way or another, but I think the

mostly positive air that surrounds the surgery for them now will go away if

enough people send them flame mail.

I'll keep posting the articles as they come out.

Ziobro

Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber

310/126/160

________________________________

From: Kathy Carl

Sent: Mon 3/3/2003 9:18 AM

To: 'fbayuk@...'; 'loriowen@...'; Ziobro

Cc: 'graduate-ossg '

Subject: RE: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery mea ns

weighing ...

Let's see...Mama Cass, Dan Blocker, Candy........to name only a very

few, famous folks who died too young due to obesity. Now, in the general

(not famous) population...there are literally millions. And we're not even

talking SUPER morbidly obese, just MO. I think I outweighed Dan Blocker

pre-op.

Tell the guy to go check out a nursing home. Not too many MO folks there AT

ALL. Folks in their 60's, 70's, 90's and on....but no MO. That pretty much

says it all right there. If I would normally have lived to 90...but I'm MO,

I should expect to make it to 80...right?? How many MO 80 year olds do you

see???? ZIP. Zero. Zilch.

KC

Re: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery

means weighing ...

In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:55:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

> Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

>

>

Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people.

Fay

[Guest guest]

Gang,

I AGREE with you. I posted these so you could read them, not so you could be

pissed off by them. :-)

That said, I've met and spoken with Nick and , the reporters who worked on

these articles and who are going to continue to do so FOR THE NEXT YEAR as they

follow the progress of Jess and Leo Loos. Here's my reqest: respectfully,

kindly, but directly disagree with them if you need to. Their email addresses

are on the articles. There's also a link to tell them your story with each

article.

I will also say this; both and Nick are deeply impressed with us (the MO

who work to improve our health through surgery) and us (the members of EMOSS,

the Seattle-area support group I started) and I will be really disappointed if

these well-meaning people get a lot of unjustified hate mail. They are both

personally pro-surgery and I'd rather it stay that way. I don't know if hate

mail would sway their own personal opinions one way or another, but I think the

mostly positive air that surrounds the surgery for them now will go away if

enough people send them flame mail.

I'll keep posting the articles as they come out.

Ziobro

Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber

310/126/160

________________________________

From: Kathy Carl

Sent: Mon 3/3/2003 9:18 AM

To: 'fbayuk@...'; 'loriowen@...'; Ziobro

Cc: 'graduate-ossg '

Subject: RE: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery mea ns

weighing ...

Let's see...Mama Cass, Dan Blocker, Candy........to name only a very

few, famous folks who died too young due to obesity. Now, in the general

(not famous) population...there are literally millions. And we're not even

talking SUPER morbidly obese, just MO. I think I outweighed Dan Blocker

pre-op.

Tell the guy to go check out a nursing home. Not too many MO folks there AT

ALL. Folks in their 60's, 70's, 90's and on....but no MO. That pretty much

says it all right there. If I would normally have lived to 90...but I'm MO,

I should expect to make it to 80...right?? How many MO 80 year olds do you

see???? ZIP. Zero. Zilch.

KC

Re: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery

means weighing ...

In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:55:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

> Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

>

>

Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people.

Fay

[Guest guest]

Not to mention that dyeing young isn't the " only " aspect of obesity......how

about " quality " of life......... P.

Re: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery means

weighing ...

> In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:55:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> loriowen@... writes:

>

> > Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> > >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> > >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> > >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> > >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

> >

> >

>

> Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people.

>

> Fay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not to mention that dyeing young isn't the " only " aspect of obesity......how

about " quality " of life......... P.

Re: FW: Seattletimes.com: Weight-loss surgery means

weighing ...

> In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:55:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> loriowen@... writes:

>

> > Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve

> > >University in Cleveland, says the surgery's proponents have

> > >exaggerated the risk of obesity. Morbid obesity takes seven to 10

> > >years off someone's life expectancy, he says, so they'll die in

> > >their late 60s rather than their 70s.

> >

> >

>

> Bullhockey?? tell that to all the young dead people.

>

> Fay

>

>

>