Re: Scooting and late crawling

[Guest guest]

Bum scooting does not allow for the proper development of the central nervous

system and cross pattern development of the brain. If I see a child bum scoot,

I will always correct them. Usually they are pretty amicable about it and will

revert to a regular hands & knees position. Bum scooting is fun but it does

nothing for cortical development!

Many kids who have neuro developmental disorders did not crawl properly or long

enough to get the central nervous system properly developed. Because Mark redid

his crawling and creeping at the age of 11, I do not believe that when the child

crawls or creeps is very important. If they are late.... not too much of an

issue. What IS important is that they have the proper cross pattern technique

thus working their sidedness of the brain and it is also important that they log

a certain amount of mileage in each stage.

Mark did not get enough mileage so that when we went back and gave him a

do-over, it really helped his overall coordination. Of course, most of the

damage was already quite solified into his central nervous system (ie. being

ambi-dexterous, central vision issues) but it really did `readjust`his

coordination. He stopped falling down the stairs, bumping into things, people,

etc. and was able to play competitive basketball within a month of

`reformatting`his hard-drive!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ApraxiaDyspraxiaBiomedSupport] Scooting and late crawling

What is the significance of these please?

[Guest guest]

> I asked who scooted in my in person group based on a prior post and

> thought a lot about what my kids did. did everything

> textbook. never used his legs and did everything late but

he did crawl. He had a three month interruption at age one...when he

went on milk though. Then crawled/pulled up for 3 months and walked.

You know the rest.

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> A mom of an autistic kid replied that he crawled backwards for a

> month > then forward. He then walked late. She does not know he is

autistic, docs say latebloomer. No one knows what it is but he has

hyperlexia, speech stuff and motor stuff. So then she tells me the

baby (turning one > this week) scoots and crawls but prefers to

scoot. Darn it!

I did ask her to talk to our OT for an eval and she followed up.

In reading this I suspect for he did not crawl long enough. I

am really looking forward to NACD. Let's hope we got to my boy early

enough to help him long-term via diet, fish oil, E and therapy.

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> Bum scooting does not allow for the proper development of the

central nervous system and cross pattern development of the brain.

If I see a child bum scoot, I will always correct them. Usually they

are pretty amicable about it and will revert to a regular hands &

knees position. Bum scooting is fun but it does nothing for cortical

development!

>

> Many kids who have neuro developmental disorders did not crawl

properly or long enough to get the central nervous system properly

developed. Because Mark redid his crawling and creeping at the age

of 11, I do not believe that when the child crawls or creeps is very

important. If they are late.... not too much of an issue. What IS

important is that they have the proper cross pattern technique thus

working their sidedness of the brain and it is also important that

they log a certain amount of mileage in each stage.

>

> Mark did not get enough mileage so that when we went back and gave

him a do-over, it really helped his overall coordination. Of course,

most of the damage was already quite solified into his central

nervous system (ie. being ambi-dexterous, central vision issues) but

it really did `readjust`his coordination. He stopped falling down

the stairs, bumping into things, people, etc. and was able to play

competitive basketball within a month of `reformatting`his hard-drive!

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

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> [sPAM][ApraxiaDyspraxiaBiomedSupport] Scooting and late

crawling

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> What is the significance of these please?

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[Guest guest]

It is believed that a child needs to be able to crawl on hands and

knees in an alternating fashion in order to learn to read down the

road. My sis in law is a special ed teacher and she has her students

crawling to make the neuron connections that were not made in the

first place.

My apraxic child has a really tough time with alternating activities.

So I now have in piano and am looking into rock climbing. He wants

to learn to skate but that scares me.

My baby bro never crawled he rolled/scooted and he doesn't read. he

is the only person I know who has ever gotten a refund on the retainer

fee fro an attorney.

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> What is the significance of these please?

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[Guest guest]

Janice is 100% on the mark, but I just want to chime in that scooting

instead of crawling is not a GUARANTEE of future issues. My husband

never crawled, only scooted, walked late-average (15-16 months). He

is brilliant in every way with no development issues along the way.

He does have mediocre handwriting, but I think that might be a leftie

thing for him. (They teach it better for right-handers.) I had one

PT that said in the old days (before the huge increase in

developmental issues), late walkers were usually better athletes

because they didn't stress their bodies before they were ready to

handle it. Allegedly, late walkers are disproportionately

represented among professional athletes. While that's the good old

days, if a child has no other discernible delays (communication, fine

motor, sensory, social, behaviorial, medical, etc.), scooting is

something to discourage, but not panic over.

Also, the back-to-sleep campaign has been so effective that the

average for gross motor milestones is creeping later. I do think

this will have long-term consequences, but they may be more subtle

than the big-deal delays.

in NJ

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> > Bum scooting does not allow for the proper development of the

> central nervous system and cross pattern development of the brain.

> If I see a child bum scoot, I will always correct them. Usually

they

> are pretty amicable about it and will revert to a regular hands &

> knees position. Bum scooting is fun but it does nothing for

cortical

> development!

> >

> > Many kids who have neuro developmental disorders did not crawl

> properly or long enough to get the central nervous system properly

> developed. Because Mark redid his crawling and creeping at the age

> of 11, I do not believe that when the child crawls or creeps is

very

> important. If they are late.... not too much of an issue. What IS

> important is that they have the proper cross pattern technique thus

> working their sidedness of the brain and it is also important that

> they log a certain amount of mileage in each stage.

> >

> > Mark did not get enough mileage so that when we went back and

gave

> him a do-over, it really helped his overall coordination. Of

course,

> most of the damage was already quite solified into his central

> nervous system (ie. being ambi-dexterous, central vision issues)

but

> it really did `readjust`his coordination. He stopped falling down

> the stairs, bumping into things, people, etc. and was able to play

> competitive basketball within a month of `reformatting`his hard-

drive!

> >

> > Janice

> > Mother of Mark, 13

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> > [sPAM][ApraxiaDyspraxiaBiomedSupport] Scooting and

late

> crawling

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> > What is the significance of these please?

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[Guest guest]

So it does sound like the neural connections can be remade later

right? That is the NACD take anyway?

Re: the nonreader: Did you see 's recent post on many

dyspraxics becoming dyslexic? She mentions some videos and a program

she has done with her kids that is excellent. My cousin has kids

similar to 's description of her kids so I sent the contents

to her.

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> > What is the significance of these please?

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[Guest guest]

I can't speak for anyone else, but my daughter never did learn to crawl (later

diagnosed autism, moderate verbal apraxia). Not long after she learned to roll

over, she started to loose her muscle tone and her strength. To compensate, she

rolled everywhere, but she had no upper body stength or coordination globally. I

believe that not crawling is a major red flag, and that in spite of what our

doctors said (Don't worry...it's fine), it's not normal and it should be

addressed. At a minimum it is something notable.

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From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

What is the significance of these please?

[Guest guest]

Like your daughter, Josh rolled everywhere for a long time. He did army crawl

(between hypotonia and sensory issues putting his hands on the floor to

alternating crawl on all fours was next to impossible) and then started walking

with assist, then unassisted. He didn't crawl on all fours until he was about 5

years old - at that time, the motor planning issues, to some degree, were

resolving, he had been working with an OT on sensory issues, and he could figure

out how to consistently crawl on all fours - forwards and backwards.

Crawling is a major developmental step. Like your doc, ours said it " would be

fine. " But, without that developmental step, there is the possibility that

other stages would be affected as well. That being said, there are a lot of

extremely intelligent, bright, eloquent individuals who never did crawl. It is

something that probably should be discussed with a therapist, though.

Sherry and Josh

julieobradovic@... wrote:

I can't speak for anyone else, but my daughter never did learn to

crawl (later diagnosed autism, moderate verbal apraxia). Not long after she

learned to roll over, she started to loose her muscle tone and her strength. To

compensate, she rolled everywhere, but she had no upper body stength or

coordination globally. I believe that not crawling is a major red flag, and that

in spite of what our doctors said (Don't worry...it's fine), it's not normal and

it should be addressed. At a minimum it is something notable.

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From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

What is the significance of these please?

[Guest guest]

I am glad the kid I asked for is getting into EI. She is 1. Perhaps

this is the beginning of a good thing, especially since her brother

appears autistic.

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> I can't speak for anyone else, but my daughter never did learn to

crawl (later diagnosed autism, moderate verbal apraxia). Not long

after she learned to roll over, she started to loose her muscle tone

and her strength. To compensate, she rolled everywhere, but she had

no upper body stength or coordination globally. I believe that not

crawling is a major red flag, and that in spite of what our doctors

said (Don't worry...it's fine), it's not normal and it should be

addressed. At a minimum it is something notable.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

> What is the significance of these please?

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[Guest guest]

Josh (verbal/oral apraxia, global dyspraxia, hypotonia, sensory integration

dysfunction) did rock climbing last summer - strongly recommend it! When he

started, the OT and I sort of joked that he would never wear the harness let

alone get his feet off the ground. By the end of the first session, he had the

harness on for almost the whole time and was at least touching the protruding

rocks for 30 seconds at a clip. Second session, he was up on the first " level "

of protruding rocks, with assistance, but doing it. By the end of the summer,

he was above our heads and able to move sideways without prompting. Go for it!!

Sherry and Josh

mommyz7 <t_r_z@...> wrote:

It is believed that a child needs to be able to crawl on hands and

knees in an alternating fashion in order to learn to read down the

road. My sis in law is a special ed teacher and she has her students

crawling to make the neuron connections that were not made in the

first place.

My apraxic child has a really tough time with alternating activities.

So I now have in piano and am looking into rock climbing. He wants

to learn to skate but that scares me.

My baby bro never crawled he rolled/scooted and he doesn't read. he

is the only person I know who has ever gotten a refund on the retainer

fee fro an attorney.

>

> What is the significance of these please?

>

[Guest guest]

I am still glad this kid is getting help. The kid spends a lot of

time strapped in a stroller. It could just be that.

Re: the athlete thing: someone on this list who is married to a

retired NFL player who is dyspraxic said that many dyspraics frm back

in the day wound up in professional sports...helped with

crosspatterning.

I'll be happy when I am no longer worried enough that bubble boy

could play ball:) I am kidding. is pretty active. The

therapists stressed challenging him and letting him be a kid. My

opinion is you can only be obsessive about so much or risk giving the

kid other issues. I do the diet stuff, the kids are so little they

really give me no grief, and with the rest they are free to be kids.

>

> Janice is 100% on the mark, but I just want to chime in that

scooting

> instead of crawling is not a GUARANTEE of future issues. My

husband

> never crawled, only scooted, walked late-average (15-16 months).

He

> is brilliant in every way with no development issues along the

way.

> He does have mediocre handwriting, but I think that might be a

leftie

> thing for him. (They teach it better for right-handers.) I had

one

> PT that said in the old days (before the huge increase in

> developmental issues), late walkers were usually better athletes

> because they didn't stress their bodies before they were ready to

> handle it. Allegedly, late walkers are disproportionately

> represented among professional athletes. While that's the good old

> days, if a child has no other discernible delays (communication,

fine

> motor, sensory, social, behaviorial, medical, etc.), scooting is

> something to discourage, but not panic over.

>

> Also, the back-to-sleep campaign has been so effective that the

> average for gross motor milestones is creeping later. I do think

> this will have long-term consequences, but they may be more subtle

> than the big-deal delays.

>

> in NJ

[Guest guest]

Liz,

It's not the same though..... you miss so much skill development along the way.

It is much better to intervene as early as possible for you risk permanent

damage.

Earlier the better.....

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Scooting and late crawling

So it does sound like the neural connections can be remade later

right? That is the NACD take anyway?

Re: the nonreader: Did you see 's recent post on many

dyspraxics becoming dyslexic? She mentions some videos and a program

she has done with her kids that is excellent. My cousin has kids

similar to 's description of her kids so I sent the contents

to her.

> >

> > What is the significance of these please?

> >

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