Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 elidel ingredients...aaack! aaack i just picked up my elidel and look at the ingredients: " each tube also contains benzyl alcohol,cetyl alcohol, CITRIC ACID (ouchouchouch-maybe thats why the brochure warns that 25% of the people will feel burning upon application), mono-and di- glycerides, oleyl alcohol, propylene glycol, sodium cetostearyl sulphate, sodium hydroxide, stearyl alcohol, triglycerides, and water. aghhhh why must every topical contain billions of irritants that probably end up counter-effecting the " good " active ingredient? i think more rosaceans should study chemistry so we can formulate our own products with nice, soothing gentle ingredients. I am a chemist and I'd love to do this! The group has built up an informal list of " things we don't like in our products " over the time I've been lurking, but unfortunately this list is almost exactly the same as the list of " things we are allowed to use in pharmaceutical creams etc " . I exaggerate of course - but not by a lot. If we black-list every ingredient which has apparently caused a reaction at some time in some person we don't have a lot left. I think the Keep it Simple concept applies here - the fewer ingredients the less likelihood of a reaction. If you have any specific ingredients you would like to see included in the product I'm all ears, so to speak (how's that for mixed metaphors <g>). Barry Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 elidel ingredients...aaack! aaack i just picked up my elidel and look at the ingredients: " each tube also contains benzyl alcohol,cetyl alcohol, CITRIC ACID (ouchouchouch-maybe thats why the brochure warns that 25% of the people will feel burning upon application), mono-and di- glycerides, oleyl alcohol, propylene glycol, sodium cetostearyl sulphate, sodium hydroxide, stearyl alcohol, triglycerides, and water. aghhhh why must every topical contain billions of irritants that probably end up counter-effecting the " good " active ingredient? i think more rosaceans should study chemistry so we can formulate our own products with nice, soothing gentle ingredients. I am a chemist and I'd love to do this! The group has built up an informal list of " things we don't like in our products " over the time I've been lurking, but unfortunately this list is almost exactly the same as the list of " things we are allowed to use in pharmaceutical creams etc " . I exaggerate of course - but not by a lot. If we black-list every ingredient which has apparently caused a reaction at some time in some person we don't have a lot left. I think the Keep it Simple concept applies here - the fewer ingredients the less likelihood of a reaction. If you have any specific ingredients you would like to see included in the product I'm all ears, so to speak (how's that for mixed metaphors <g>). Barry Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 OK, Barry, formulate this for me: a product that mimics the " natural protective barrier " -- in other words, keeps moisture in and prevents anything placed on top of it (like sunblock) from being absorbed -- that won't clog pores and won't cause inflammation. To avoid inflammation, I presume this means no emulsifiers, which would be unique as far as I can tell though I don't understand why. Just something that lies on top of the skin, protects it, but without clogging pores. To avoid sensitization, we specifically don't want anything absorbed, right? Or is it impossible to avoid any kind of absorption -- or for some reason not desirable? I assume some kind or combination of silicone is the key, no? I'm not looking for anything medicinal -- no anti-oxidants, no moisturizing agents, just an inert barrier. Second, I'd like the above but with a touch of " moisturizer " added to help minimize lines, which I can use under foundation or alone. But no emulsifiers. Third, I'd like the formula with titanium dioxide sunblock (no absorbing sunscreen) and tinted, so it's the only thing I need to put on my face in the morning. OK, let's see what magic you can work with those dream products. Next, we can talk cleansers. <g> Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > elidel ingredients...aaack! > > > aaack i just picked up my elidel and look at the ingredients: > > " each tube also contains benzyl alcohol,cetyl alcohol, CITRIC ACID > (ouchouchouch-maybe thats why the brochure warns that 25% of the > people will feel burning upon application), mono-and di- glycerides, > oleyl alcohol, propylene glycol, sodium cetostearyl sulphate, sodium > hydroxide, stearyl alcohol, triglycerides, and water. > > aghhhh why must every topical contain billions of irritants that > probably end up counter-effecting the " good " active ingredient? i > think more rosaceans should study chemistry so we can formulate our > own products with nice, soothing gentle ingredients. > > > > I am a chemist and I'd love to do this! > > The group has built up an informal list of " things we don't like in our > products " over the time I've been lurking, but unfortunately this list is > almost exactly the same as the list of " things we are allowed to use in > pharmaceutical creams etc " . > > I exaggerate of course - but not by a lot. If we black-list every ingredient > which has apparently caused a reaction at some time in some person we don't > have a lot left. > > I think the Keep it Simple concept applies here - the fewer ingredients the > less likelihood of a reaction. If you have any specific ingredients you > would like to see included in the product I'm all ears, so to speak (how's > that for mixed metaphors <g>). > > Barry Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 OK, Barry, formulate this for me: a product that mimics the " natural protective barrier " -- in other words, keeps moisture in and prevents anything placed on top of it (like sunblock) from being absorbed -- that won't clog pores and won't cause inflammation. To avoid inflammation, I presume this means no emulsifiers, which would be unique as far as I can tell though I don't understand why. Just something that lies on top of the skin, protects it, but without clogging pores. To avoid sensitization, we specifically don't want anything absorbed, right? Or is it impossible to avoid any kind of absorption -- or for some reason not desirable? I assume some kind or combination of silicone is the key, no? I'm not looking for anything medicinal -- no anti-oxidants, no moisturizing agents, just an inert barrier. Second, I'd like the above but with a touch of " moisturizer " added to help minimize lines, which I can use under foundation or alone. But no emulsifiers. Third, I'd like the formula with titanium dioxide sunblock (no absorbing sunscreen) and tinted, so it's the only thing I need to put on my face in the morning. OK, let's see what magic you can work with those dream products. Next, we can talk cleansers. <g> Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > elidel ingredients...aaack! > > > aaack i just picked up my elidel and look at the ingredients: > > " each tube also contains benzyl alcohol,cetyl alcohol, CITRIC ACID > (ouchouchouch-maybe thats why the brochure warns that 25% of the > people will feel burning upon application), mono-and di- glycerides, > oleyl alcohol, propylene glycol, sodium cetostearyl sulphate, sodium > hydroxide, stearyl alcohol, triglycerides, and water. > > aghhhh why must every topical contain billions of irritants that > probably end up counter-effecting the " good " active ingredient? i > think more rosaceans should study chemistry so we can formulate our > own products with nice, soothing gentle ingredients. > > > > I am a chemist and I'd love to do this! > > The group has built up an informal list of " things we don't like in our > products " over the time I've been lurking, but unfortunately this list is > almost exactly the same as the list of " things we are allowed to use in > pharmaceutical creams etc " . > > I exaggerate of course - but not by a lot. If we black-list every ingredient > which has apparently caused a reaction at some time in some person we don't > have a lot left. > > I think the Keep it Simple concept applies here - the fewer ingredients the > less likelihood of a reaction. If you have any specific ingredients you > would like to see included in the product I'm all ears, so to speak (how's > that for mixed metaphors <g>). > > Barry Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.