Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Could someone tell/explain the meaning of exfoliate and the pros and cons? Thanks! emarjency wrote: A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are describing. But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest things on my face that I've ever seen. I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Could someone tell/explain the meaning of exfoliate and the pros and cons? Thanks! emarjency wrote: A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are describing. But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest things on my face that I've ever seen. I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi guys, I had some flakiness and it cleared up with Nizoral.... has anyone tried this. Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi guys, I had some flakiness and it cleared up with Nizoral.... has anyone tried this. Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi guys, I had some flakiness and it cleared up with Nizoral.... has anyone tried this. Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi guys, I had some flakiness and it cleared up with Nizoral.... has anyone tried this. Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 << Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. >> the big flare that i had mid april that prompted me to join this board saw my skin peeling off in sheets continual flakiness i didn't try to exfoliate because the skin was raw and oozing. i just layered on as much moisturizer as i could as often as i could throughout the day and as the skin recovered and became un-raw (but not cooked) the flaking went away ... stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 << Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. >> the big flare that i had mid april that prompted me to join this board saw my skin peeling off in sheets continual flakiness i didn't try to exfoliate because the skin was raw and oozing. i just layered on as much moisturizer as i could as often as i could throughout the day and as the skin recovered and became un-raw (but not cooked) the flaking went away ... stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 << Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. >> the big flare that i had mid april that prompted me to join this board saw my skin peeling off in sheets continual flakiness i didn't try to exfoliate because the skin was raw and oozing. i just layered on as much moisturizer as i could as often as i could throughout the day and as the skin recovered and became un-raw (but not cooked) the flaking went away ... stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 << Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. >> the big flare that i had mid april that prompted me to join this board saw my skin peeling off in sheets continual flakiness i didn't try to exfoliate because the skin was raw and oozing. i just layered on as much moisturizer as i could as often as i could throughout the day and as the skin recovered and became un-raw (but not cooked) the flaking went away ... stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > I would think any > kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since > exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Hi Marjorie --- You actually meant to write " more permeable " , yes? Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > I would think any > kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since > exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Hi Marjorie --- You actually meant to write " more permeable " , yes? Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Dr Marjorie you have mentioned " impaired barrier " several time and I have to agree with you. I've never formed those words but as soon as I read them (lots of post ago) I realized how true that concept is. When my face hates me the more I do the more my face reacts. When I'm in the really bad stages (for me really bad is the rough texture " chemical burn " look) everything that touches my face is bad for it including water. My inclination is to put anything and everything on it but I have to resist. I've had rosacea for 20+ years and no matter what I do (within reason) it seems that there is " cycles " . Last year I had the worst stress I've every had and my face didn't get worse. Right now I'm happy and content and my face is trying to not like me (not to hate yet!). It seems no matter what I do (except stupid things like eating oranges and bananas) I have cycles that often defy explanations. kb Flakiness > A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if > everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when > my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- > dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've > never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without > first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- > up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are > describing. > > But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an > hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more > traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got > better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest > things on my face that I've ever seen. <g> > > I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier > function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any > kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since > exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. > > Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, > leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that > make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin > hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and > moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but > that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Dr Marjorie you have mentioned " impaired barrier " several time and I have to agree with you. I've never formed those words but as soon as I read them (lots of post ago) I realized how true that concept is. When my face hates me the more I do the more my face reacts. When I'm in the really bad stages (for me really bad is the rough texture " chemical burn " look) everything that touches my face is bad for it including water. My inclination is to put anything and everything on it but I have to resist. I've had rosacea for 20+ years and no matter what I do (within reason) it seems that there is " cycles " . Last year I had the worst stress I've every had and my face didn't get worse. Right now I'm happy and content and my face is trying to not like me (not to hate yet!). It seems no matter what I do (except stupid things like eating oranges and bananas) I have cycles that often defy explanations. kb Flakiness > A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if > everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when > my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- > dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've > never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without > first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- > up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are > describing. > > But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an > hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more > traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got > better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest > things on my face that I've ever seen. <g> > > I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier > function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any > kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since > exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. > > Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, > leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that > make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin > hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and > moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but > that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I just got vita oil and ZincO in the mail yesterday. Since I've read some other folks say that vita oil just made it worse, I'm not sure if I should use it. Has vita oil helped anyone out there with the flakeys?? Also, does it cause breakouts? I'm a little nervous about putting straight oil on my face..... I don't have much redness - I have papules, red bumps mostly in my cheek area under the eyes. What's the word about ZincO and flakiness? My feeling is that mosturizing is the answer. I'm hoping to speak with my derm about it today, so I'll pass on any knowledge, if any, I get from him. emarjency wrote:A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are describing. But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest things on my face that I've ever seen. I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I just got vita oil and ZincO in the mail yesterday. Since I've read some other folks say that vita oil just made it worse, I'm not sure if I should use it. Has vita oil helped anyone out there with the flakeys?? Also, does it cause breakouts? I'm a little nervous about putting straight oil on my face..... I don't have much redness - I have papules, red bumps mostly in my cheek area under the eyes. What's the word about ZincO and flakiness? My feeling is that mosturizing is the answer. I'm hoping to speak with my derm about it today, so I'll pass on any knowledge, if any, I get from him. emarjency wrote:A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are describing. But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest things on my face that I've ever seen. I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I just got vita oil and ZincO in the mail yesterday. Since I've read some other folks say that vita oil just made it worse, I'm not sure if I should use it. Has vita oil helped anyone out there with the flakeys?? Also, does it cause breakouts? I'm a little nervous about putting straight oil on my face..... I don't have much redness - I have papules, red bumps mostly in my cheek area under the eyes. What's the word about ZincO and flakiness? My feeling is that mosturizing is the answer. I'm hoping to speak with my derm about it today, so I'll pass on any knowledge, if any, I get from him. emarjency wrote:A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are describing. But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest things on my face that I've ever seen. I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I just got vita oil and ZincO in the mail yesterday. Since I've read some other folks say that vita oil just made it worse, I'm not sure if I should use it. Has vita oil helped anyone out there with the flakeys?? Also, does it cause breakouts? I'm a little nervous about putting straight oil on my face..... I don't have much redness - I have papules, red bumps mostly in my cheek area under the eyes. What's the word about ZincO and flakiness? My feeling is that mosturizing is the answer. I'm hoping to speak with my derm about it today, so I'll pass on any knowledge, if any, I get from him. emarjency wrote:A number of posters are discussing flakes. Though I'm not certain if everyone is talking about the same phenomenon, I've noticed that when my cheeks are most irritated/inflammed they tend to develop a half- dozen white tissue-thin whisps that respond to moisturizering. I've never tried to put foundation or tinted sunblock over them without first moisturizing, and I've never noticed them in response to make- up or other topicals, esp not immediately as some posters are describing. But I did get a surprise entire faceful of these little flakers an hour or so after applying Dr. Sy's VitaOil; I also had a more traditional reaction, with itching and breakout. Each day it got better, but it took days to completely clear. One of the weirdest things on my face that I've ever seen. I believe that my flakiness is somehow related to impaired barrier function, since it clears up as my skin normalizes. I would think any kind of exfoliation would win the battle but lose the war, since exfoliation would make the barrier more impermiable. Has anyone with this problem tried ignoring them for the moment, leaving them on the face if need be though avoiding those things that make them visually worse, while concentrating instead on good skin hygiene for several weeks (Less is More daily cleansing and moisturizing, nothing else)? I don't know if that's the answer, but that would be the treatment for repairing an impaired barrier. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 oh no ee stacee! you've done it again! you've inspired another haiku (and this one has a season in it just for you) continual flakes settle like the Christmas snow on Santa's red nose ee marjoree > the big flare that i had > mid april > that prompted me to join this board > saw my skin peeling off in sheets > continual flakiness > i didn't try to exfoliate > because the skin was > raw > and > oozing. > i just layered on as much > moisturizer > as i could > as often as i could throughout the day > and > as the skin recovered > and became > un-raw (but not cooked) > the flaking went away ... > > stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 oh no ee stacee! you've done it again! you've inspired another haiku (and this one has a season in it just for you) continual flakes settle like the Christmas snow on Santa's red nose ee marjoree > the big flare that i had > mid april > that prompted me to join this board > saw my skin peeling off in sheets > continual flakiness > i didn't try to exfoliate > because the skin was > raw > and > oozing. > i just layered on as much > moisturizer > as i could > as often as i could throughout the day > and > as the skin recovered > and became > un-raw (but not cooked) > the flaking went away ... > > stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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