Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > >... I decided to battle my condition from the inside by taking 2 KAL's > Vitamins 'Vein Defense' a day (which contains Horsechestnut about 800 > megs of Vitamin C and other natural antioxidants and roots). It was > KEY in getting rid of ALL my pain and papules. After about 6 months > of non-stop viatmin intake, it reduced flush tremendously. It > strengthened my veins and immune system. I was hoping someone would jog my memory about the Horse Chestnut! I haven't started taking this yet (I was in no hurry to strengthen my facial blood vessels before my FotoFacial last week -- I wanted to be as red and 'leaky' as possible) but I plan to buy some in a few weeks, when my GNC discount kicks in at the beginning of the month. The 'active ingredient' in Horse Chestnut is escin, a substance that has allegedly been shown (in controlled studies) to treat 'Venous Insufficiency', specifically in people with varicose veins. However, given escin's supposed modus operandi, it could theoretically help any blood vessel in the body. Venous Insufficiency is believed to occur when the walls and/or valves of the vein don't perform like they should -- blood therefore`pools'inside of the vessel, preventing the flow of oxygen rich blood, which the cells lining the vessel need to make ATP, the cells `fuel'. When these endothelial cells are deprived of oxygen, they release a trio of substances which lead to inflammation and edema and stretched, clogged vessels, and ultimately excessive angiogenesis, in an effort to bring fresh blood and therefore ATP to the cells. Cells die of oxygen shortage, causing more inflammation. Escin is thought to stop this chain of events by slowing the metabolism of the endothelial cells -- they require less ATP in an oxygen-poor environment. Therefore, the substances activating inflammation and angiogenesis aren't released. Escin also has allegedly been shown to increase venous tone; in essence, how well the smooth muscles in the vessel contract and consequently increase the speed of the blood flow. So the vessels are more toned and less permeable. It almost sounds too good to be true! There is an interesting article on this: http://www.medfaq.com/venastatlong1.htm Don't know who Frick (the author of the article)is, so I don't know anything about the veracity of his sources or where his allegiance lies (and therefore how objective he can be.) But that's pretty much par for the course when it comes to reports such as this. I've no doubt that there is some microcirculation brainiac lurking in the Ivy League ready to pooh-pooh the supposed benefits of horse chestnut, but you never know... -- Jillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > >... I decided to battle my condition from the inside by taking 2 KAL's > Vitamins 'Vein Defense' a day (which contains Horsechestnut about 800 > megs of Vitamin C and other natural antioxidants and roots). It was > KEY in getting rid of ALL my pain and papules. After about 6 months > of non-stop viatmin intake, it reduced flush tremendously. It > strengthened my veins and immune system. I was hoping someone would jog my memory about the Horse Chestnut! I haven't started taking this yet (I was in no hurry to strengthen my facial blood vessels before my FotoFacial last week -- I wanted to be as red and 'leaky' as possible) but I plan to buy some in a few weeks, when my GNC discount kicks in at the beginning of the month. The 'active ingredient' in Horse Chestnut is escin, a substance that has allegedly been shown (in controlled studies) to treat 'Venous Insufficiency', specifically in people with varicose veins. However, given escin's supposed modus operandi, it could theoretically help any blood vessel in the body. Venous Insufficiency is believed to occur when the walls and/or valves of the vein don't perform like they should -- blood therefore`pools'inside of the vessel, preventing the flow of oxygen rich blood, which the cells lining the vessel need to make ATP, the cells `fuel'. When these endothelial cells are deprived of oxygen, they release a trio of substances which lead to inflammation and edema and stretched, clogged vessels, and ultimately excessive angiogenesis, in an effort to bring fresh blood and therefore ATP to the cells. Cells die of oxygen shortage, causing more inflammation. Escin is thought to stop this chain of events by slowing the metabolism of the endothelial cells -- they require less ATP in an oxygen-poor environment. Therefore, the substances activating inflammation and angiogenesis aren't released. Escin also has allegedly been shown to increase venous tone; in essence, how well the smooth muscles in the vessel contract and consequently increase the speed of the blood flow. So the vessels are more toned and less permeable. It almost sounds too good to be true! There is an interesting article on this: http://www.medfaq.com/venastatlong1.htm Don't know who Frick (the author of the article)is, so I don't know anything about the veracity of his sources or where his allegiance lies (and therefore how objective he can be.) But that's pretty much par for the course when it comes to reports such as this. I've no doubt that there is some microcirculation brainiac lurking in the Ivy League ready to pooh-pooh the supposed benefits of horse chestnut, but you never know... -- Jillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > >... I decided to battle my condition from the inside by taking 2 KAL's > Vitamins 'Vein Defense' a day (which contains Horsechestnut about 800 > megs of Vitamin C and other natural antioxidants and roots). It was > KEY in getting rid of ALL my pain and papules. After about 6 months > of non-stop viatmin intake, it reduced flush tremendously. It > strengthened my veins and immune system. I was hoping someone would jog my memory about the Horse Chestnut! I haven't started taking this yet (I was in no hurry to strengthen my facial blood vessels before my FotoFacial last week -- I wanted to be as red and 'leaky' as possible) but I plan to buy some in a few weeks, when my GNC discount kicks in at the beginning of the month. The 'active ingredient' in Horse Chestnut is escin, a substance that has allegedly been shown (in controlled studies) to treat 'Venous Insufficiency', specifically in people with varicose veins. However, given escin's supposed modus operandi, it could theoretically help any blood vessel in the body. Venous Insufficiency is believed to occur when the walls and/or valves of the vein don't perform like they should -- blood therefore`pools'inside of the vessel, preventing the flow of oxygen rich blood, which the cells lining the vessel need to make ATP, the cells `fuel'. When these endothelial cells are deprived of oxygen, they release a trio of substances which lead to inflammation and edema and stretched, clogged vessels, and ultimately excessive angiogenesis, in an effort to bring fresh blood and therefore ATP to the cells. Cells die of oxygen shortage, causing more inflammation. Escin is thought to stop this chain of events by slowing the metabolism of the endothelial cells -- they require less ATP in an oxygen-poor environment. Therefore, the substances activating inflammation and angiogenesis aren't released. Escin also has allegedly been shown to increase venous tone; in essence, how well the smooth muscles in the vessel contract and consequently increase the speed of the blood flow. So the vessels are more toned and less permeable. It almost sounds too good to be true! There is an interesting article on this: http://www.medfaq.com/venastatlong1.htm Don't know who Frick (the author of the article)is, so I don't know anything about the veracity of his sources or where his allegiance lies (and therefore how objective he can be.) But that's pretty much par for the course when it comes to reports such as this. I've no doubt that there is some microcirculation brainiac lurking in the Ivy League ready to pooh-pooh the supposed benefits of horse chestnut, but you never know... -- Jillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > >... I decided to battle my condition from the inside by taking 2 KAL's > Vitamins 'Vein Defense' a day (which contains Horsechestnut about 800 > megs of Vitamin C and other natural antioxidants and roots). It was > KEY in getting rid of ALL my pain and papules. After about 6 months > of non-stop viatmin intake, it reduced flush tremendously. It > strengthened my veins and immune system. I was hoping someone would jog my memory about the Horse Chestnut! I haven't started taking this yet (I was in no hurry to strengthen my facial blood vessels before my FotoFacial last week -- I wanted to be as red and 'leaky' as possible) but I plan to buy some in a few weeks, when my GNC discount kicks in at the beginning of the month. The 'active ingredient' in Horse Chestnut is escin, a substance that has allegedly been shown (in controlled studies) to treat 'Venous Insufficiency', specifically in people with varicose veins. However, given escin's supposed modus operandi, it could theoretically help any blood vessel in the body. Venous Insufficiency is believed to occur when the walls and/or valves of the vein don't perform like they should -- blood therefore`pools'inside of the vessel, preventing the flow of oxygen rich blood, which the cells lining the vessel need to make ATP, the cells `fuel'. When these endothelial cells are deprived of oxygen, they release a trio of substances which lead to inflammation and edema and stretched, clogged vessels, and ultimately excessive angiogenesis, in an effort to bring fresh blood and therefore ATP to the cells. Cells die of oxygen shortage, causing more inflammation. Escin is thought to stop this chain of events by slowing the metabolism of the endothelial cells -- they require less ATP in an oxygen-poor environment. Therefore, the substances activating inflammation and angiogenesis aren't released. Escin also has allegedly been shown to increase venous tone; in essence, how well the smooth muscles in the vessel contract and consequently increase the speed of the blood flow. So the vessels are more toned and less permeable. It almost sounds too good to be true! There is an interesting article on this: http://www.medfaq.com/venastatlong1.htm Don't know who Frick (the author of the article)is, so I don't know anything about the veracity of his sources or where his allegiance lies (and therefore how objective he can be.) But that's pretty much par for the course when it comes to reports such as this. I've no doubt that there is some microcirculation brainiac lurking in the Ivy League ready to pooh-pooh the supposed benefits of horse chestnut, but you never know... -- Jillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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