Re: Time to throw in the towel?

[Guest guest]

Lilian,I can't personally recommend any, but I hear this is a good brand http://www.houston-enzymes.com/ and it will at least give you information regarding the type of enzyme you would need for carbs.AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3mgTo:

BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 9:40:41 PMSubject: Re: Time to throw in the towel?

Amelia,

you may well be right. I have used enzymes without much success, but perhaps there's one you or someone else migth suggest that would specifically help w/carbs?

Thanks!

Lilian "IBS"-C, SCD 3 1/2 months

>

> > I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

> > your food diary for us to look at and see if we

> > can spot anything that might give a clue.

>

> Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of my post.

>

> > I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

> > my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

> > than three months to clear up.

>

> My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating. I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok :^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this. All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

>

> Since diarrhea and

> > constipation are opposite ends of the same

> > spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

>

> Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D, some cause C.

>

> > Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

> > stages, or in trying to add multiple other

> > interventions / limitations like yeast

> > prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

>

> This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out. Instead of "going to war" against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

>

> It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

>

> And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

>

> So here are my past 3 days:

>

> Saturday:

> B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

> L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after, suspect the youghurt)

> D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

> then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a loong time)

>

> Sunday:

> B: coffee, banana "pancake" (egg), applesauce, DCCC

> L: chicken soup

> D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

>

> Monday

> B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

> L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

> snack: small piece of Lara-bar

> D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2 teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

>

> The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

>

> For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

>

> Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to all who replied, I value your help more than you know!

>

> Lilian

> "IBS"-C

>

[Guest guest]

Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the time to

take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post) too see if you can

spot anything I'm doing wrong.

Feeling worse than ever (more C'd, more abdominal bloating) than ever. Now 3 1/2

months in on SCD.

Also, q question that's been on my mind. I received some comments on my low

vegetable intake, people questioning it or stating that they would feel very bad

without vegetables. I, too, am very concerned to be unable to tolerate fruit and

vegetables, but eating them causes my symptoms to increase. I thought the idea

was to try adding food gradually, and sticking with what is tolerated. For

example, I've largely given up on nut muffins (except for a slip-i-up on days

where it doesn't feel like it matters, since I'm constipated and bloated anyway)

.. So have I gotten this wrong, should I just press on with veggies even though I

don't seem to be digesting them?

Thanks for any help,

Lilian

" IBS " -C

> >

> > > I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

> > > your food diary for us to look at and see if we

> > > can spot anything that might give a clue.

> >

> > Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of my

post.

> >

> > > I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

> > > my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

> > > than three months to clear up.

> >

> > My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my

biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with

that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating.

I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has

been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but

basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while

running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok

:^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this.

All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

> >

> > Since diarrhea and

> > > constipation are opposite ends of the same

> > > spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

> >

> > Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D, some

cause C.

> >

> > > Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

> > > stages, or in trying to add multiple other

> > > interventions / limitations like yeast

> > > prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

> >

> > This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out.

Instead of " going to war " against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be

better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can

restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

> >

> > It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more and

more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the

healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

> >

> > And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of mentally/emotionall

y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are important for gut

health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during spring break; my

gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

> >

> > So here are my past 3 days:

> >

> > Saturday:

> > B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

> > L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after,

suspect the youghurt)

> > D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

> > then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut

muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a

loong time)

> >

> > Sunday:

> > B: coffee, banana " pancake " (egg), applesauce, DCCC

> > L: chicken soup

> > D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

> >

> > Monday

> > B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

> > L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

> > snack: small piece of Lara-bar

> > D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2

teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

> >

> > The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been

observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies

throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've

been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

> >

> > For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original

intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even

yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

> >

> > Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to all

who replied, I value your help more than you know!

> >

> > Lilian

> > " IBS " -C

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the time to

take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post) too see if you can

spot anything I'm doing wrong.

Feeling worse than ever (more C'd, more abdominal bloating) than ever. Now 3 1/2

months in on SCD.

Also, q question that's been on my mind. I received some comments on my low

vegetable intake, people questioning it or stating that they would feel very bad

without vegetables. I, too, am very concerned to be unable to tolerate fruit and

vegetables, but eating them causes my symptoms to increase. I thought the idea

was to try adding food gradually, and sticking with what is tolerated. For

example, I've largely given up on nut muffins (except for a slip-i-up on days

where it doesn't feel like it matters, since I'm constipated and bloated anyway)

.. So have I gotten this wrong, should I just press on with veggies even though I

don't seem to be digesting them?

Thanks for any help,

Lilian

" IBS " -C

> >

> > > I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

> > > your food diary for us to look at and see if we

> > > can spot anything that might give a clue.

> >

> > Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of my

post.

> >

> > > I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

> > > my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

> > > than three months to clear up.

> >

> > My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my

biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with

that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating.

I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has

been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but

basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while

running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok

:^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this.

All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

> >

> > Since diarrhea and

> > > constipation are opposite ends of the same

> > > spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

> >

> > Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D, some

cause C.

> >

> > > Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

> > > stages, or in trying to add multiple other

> > > interventions / limitations like yeast

> > > prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

> >

> > This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out.

Instead of " going to war " against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be

better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can

restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

> >

> > It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more and

more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the

healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

> >

> > And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of mentally/emotionall

y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are important for gut

health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during spring break; my

gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

> >

> > So here are my past 3 days:

> >

> > Saturday:

> > B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

> > L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after,

suspect the youghurt)

> > D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

> > then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut

muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a

loong time)

> >

> > Sunday:

> > B: coffee, banana " pancake " (egg), applesauce, DCCC

> > L: chicken soup

> > D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

> >

> > Monday

> > B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

> > L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

> > snack: small piece of Lara-bar

> > D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2

teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

> >

> > The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been

observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies

throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've

been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

> >

> > For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original

intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even

yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

> >

> > Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to all

who replied, I value your help more than you know!

> >

> > Lilian

> > " IBS " -C

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post) too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what stands out to me. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

[Guest guest]

Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post) too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what stands out to me. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Alyssa-

coffee is something I tolerate well, I have it every day and also on my " have to

not be mega-bloated so I'll only eat meat -patties " -days, and it works well for

me. I'd probably be more C'd without it, actually. But the DCCC is probably not

good; I accidentally had a bigger helping than usual yesterday and felt really

bad afterwards. I've suspected that and yoghurt for a while. If cheese is

supposed to be constipating, so should other forms of dairy too, right?

Lilian

>

> > Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the

> > time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post)

> > too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.

>

>

> The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with

> dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing

> I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like

> caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what

> stands out to me.

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Alyssa-

coffee is something I tolerate well, I have it every day and also on my " have to

not be mega-bloated so I'll only eat meat -patties " -days, and it works well for

me. I'd probably be more C'd without it, actually. But the DCCC is probably not

good; I accidentally had a bigger helping than usual yesterday and felt really

bad afterwards. I've suspected that and yoghurt for a while. If cheese is

supposed to be constipating, so should other forms of dairy too, right?

Lilian

>

> > Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the

> > time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post)

> > too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.

>

>

> The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with

> dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing

> I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like

> caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what

> stands out to me.

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

>

[Guest guest]

The dairy would explain it. Calcium is binding. The DCCC is helpful with intro

for people with D because it is binding, so I can see why it is giving you

trouble.

PJ

> >

> > > Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the

> > > time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post)

> > > too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.

> >

> >

> > The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with

> > dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing

> > I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like

> > caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what

> > stands out to me.

> >

> > Peace =)

> > Alyssa 15 yo

> > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The dairy would explain it. Calcium is binding. The DCCC is helpful with intro

for people with D because it is binding, so I can see why it is giving you

trouble.

PJ

> >

> > > Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the

> > > time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post)

> > > too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.

> >

> >

> > The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with

> > dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing

> > I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like

> > caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what

> > stands out to me.

> >

> > Peace =)

> > Alyssa 15 yo

> > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, yes it does look like I need to be more aware of the fact that intro SCD

seems a bit more geared towards D than C. So dairy would point towards why no

change in C. But why the continued bloating, no matter what I eat (SCD or not).

That's why I don't get. I don't expect to be cured by now :^), but I would have

hoped for, and frankly needed (in order to stay motivated) some little hint that

staying strict SCD is worth it for me.

Thanks!

Lilian

IBS-C

SCD 3 1/2 months

> > >

> > > > Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the

> > > > time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post)

> > > > too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.

> > >

> > >

> > > The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with

> > > dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing

> > > I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like

> > > caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what

> > > stands out to me.

> > >

> > > Peace =)

> > > Alyssa 15 yo

> > > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > > Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, yes it does look like I need to be more aware of the fact that intro SCD

seems a bit more geared towards D than C. So dairy would point towards why no

change in C. But why the continued bloating, no matter what I eat (SCD or not).

That's why I don't get. I don't expect to be cured by now :^), but I would have

hoped for, and frankly needed (in order to stay motivated) some little hint that

staying strict SCD is worth it for me.

Thanks!

Lilian

IBS-C

SCD 3 1/2 months

> > >

> > > > Reposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the

> > > > time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post)

> > > > too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.

> > >

> > >

> > > The DCCC stands out to me. I know many people don't do well with

> > > dairy, even with the lactose removed, so that would be the first thing

> > > I'd try to do without. Also the coffee, just because it seems like

> > > caffeine isn't really good for anything. But again, that's just what

> > > stands out to me.

> > >

> > > Peace =)

> > > Alyssa 15 yo

> > > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > > Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is resistant biofilms:http://www.fibroandfatigue.com/blog/Teasing the biofilm apart is an important component of a successful treatment program, especially in chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Lyme disease complex infections, autism, and other chronic conditions. If you are a patient and experience fevers, chills, or other chronic immune system activationsymptoms, or treatment-resistant intestinal symptoms ***********like bloating, gas, IBS, constipation alternating with diarrhea, or malabsorption************, I would highly recommend you speak with your local Fibro and Fatigue Center physician or integrated medicine doctor to address these issues—they are not likely to go away without focused treatment.____I'd keep the fruit and honey stuff low meanwhile, and no larabars - the dates in that is really bad for newbies. and cashew butter is not helping you - it's very sweet -and the bacteria/yeast etc. in those biofilms can absorb sugars from honey and dates and cashews very easily.try almond butter or pecan butter, if you have to. or maybe baking with coconutflour.Have you tried kale? Sauteed, for example. MaraReposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post) too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.Feeling worse than ever (more C'd, more abdominal bloating) than ever. Now 3 1/2 months in on SCD.Also, q question that's been on my mind. I received some comments on my low vegetable intake, people questioning it or stating that they would feel very bad without vegetables. I, too, am very concerned to be unable to tolerate fruit and vegetables, but eating them causes my symptoms to increase. I thought the idea was to try adding food gradually, and sticking with what is tolerated. For example, I've largely given up on nut muffins (except for a slip-i-up on days where it doesn't feel like it matters, since I'm constipated and bloated anyway) . So have I gotten this wrong, should I just press on with veggies even though I don't seem to be digesting them?Thanks for any help,Lilian"IBS"-CI'm going to suggest that you post a few days of your food diary for us to look at and see if we can spot anything that might give a clue.Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of my post.I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD, my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time than three months to clear up. My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating. I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok :^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this. All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C. Since diarrhea and constipation are opposite ends of the same spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D, some cause C.Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the stages, or in trying to add multiple other interventions / limitations like yeast prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out. Instead of "going to war" against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).So here are my past 3 days:Saturday:B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCCL: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after, suspect the youghurt)D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocadothen- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a loong time)Sunday:B: coffee, banana "pancake" (egg), applesauce, DCCCL: chicken soupD: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for tasteMondayB: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocadoL: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomatosnack: small piece of Lara-barD: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2 teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to all who replied, I value your help more than you know!Lilian"IBS"-C------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

The problem is resistant biofilms:http://www.fibroandfatigue.com/blog/Teasing the biofilm apart is an important component of a successful treatment program, especially in chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Lyme disease complex infections, autism, and other chronic conditions. If you are a patient and experience fevers, chills, or other chronic immune system activationsymptoms, or treatment-resistant intestinal symptoms ***********like bloating, gas, IBS, constipation alternating with diarrhea, or malabsorption************, I would highly recommend you speak with your local Fibro and Fatigue Center physician or integrated medicine doctor to address these issues—they are not likely to go away without focused treatment.____I'd keep the fruit and honey stuff low meanwhile, and no larabars - the dates in that is really bad for newbies. and cashew butter is not helping you - it's very sweet -and the bacteria/yeast etc. in those biofilms can absorb sugars from honey and dates and cashews very easily.try almond butter or pecan butter, if you have to. or maybe baking with coconutflour.Have you tried kale? Sauteed, for example. MaraReposting my post from a while back, to see if anyone would have the time to take a look at my food diary (at the very end of the post) too see if you can spot anything I'm doing wrong.Feeling worse than ever (more C'd, more abdominal bloating) than ever. Now 3 1/2 months in on SCD.Also, q question that's been on my mind. I received some comments on my low vegetable intake, people questioning it or stating that they would feel very bad without vegetables. I, too, am very concerned to be unable to tolerate fruit and vegetables, but eating them causes my symptoms to increase. I thought the idea was to try adding food gradually, and sticking with what is tolerated. For example, I've largely given up on nut muffins (except for a slip-i-up on days where it doesn't feel like it matters, since I'm constipated and bloated anyway) . So have I gotten this wrong, should I just press on with veggies even though I don't seem to be digesting them?Thanks for any help,Lilian"IBS"-CI'm going to suggest that you post a few days of your food diary for us to look at and see if we can spot anything that might give a clue.Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of my post.I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD, my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time than three months to clear up. My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating. I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok :^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this. All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C. Since diarrhea and constipation are opposite ends of the same spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D, some cause C.Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the stages, or in trying to add multiple other interventions / limitations like yeast prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out. Instead of "going to war" against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).So here are my past 3 days:Saturday:B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCCL: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after, suspect the youghurt)D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocadothen- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a loong time)Sunday:B: coffee, banana "pancake" (egg), applesauce, DCCCL: chicken soupD: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for tasteMondayB: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocadoL: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomatosnack: small piece of Lara-barD: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2 teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to all who replied, I value your help more than you know!Lilian"IBS"-C------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tips and the info! What is the " focused treatment " mentioned

here? Clearly what I've been doing so far hasn't done the trick. Do antibiotics

do anything to the biofilm?

(still sitting on the prescription for that)

Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I could

eat when I'd like to taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of dark

chocolate after dinner.

I feel like my food is so d@#% bland and unsatisfying. I feel like I need

something more both nutritionally and emotionally. I guess if there'd be some

reward in terms of feeling better physically the sacrifices would be easier to

bear, but almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and small amts of mushy

veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste good would be good to

have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any other

non-responders out there and how you've handled it.

Lilian

> >>>

> >>>> I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

> >>>> your food diary for us to look at and see if we

> >>>> can spot anything that might give a clue.

> >>>

> >>> Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of

my post.

> >>>

> >>>> I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

> >>>> my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

> >>>> than three months to clear up.

> >>>

> >>> My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my

biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with

that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating.

I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has

been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but

basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while

running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok

:^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this.

All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

> >>>

> >>> Since diarrhea and

> >>>> constipation are opposite ends of the same

> >>>> spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

> >>>

> >>> Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D,

some cause C.

> >>>

> >>>> Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

> >>>> stages, or in trying to add multiple other

> >>>> interventions / limitations like yeast

> >>>> prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

> >>>

> >>> This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out.

Instead of " going to war " against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be

better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can

restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

> >>>

> >>> It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more

and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the

healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

> >>>

> >>> And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of

mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are

important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during

spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

> >>>

> >>> So here are my past 3 days:

> >>>

> >>> Saturday:

> >>> B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

> >>> L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after,

suspect the youghurt)

> >>> D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

> >>> then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut

muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a

loong time)

> >>>

> >>> Sunday:

> >>> B: coffee, banana " pancake " (egg), applesauce, DCCC

> >>> L: chicken soup

> >>> D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

> >>>

> >>> Monday

> >>> B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

> >>> L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

> >>> snack: small piece of Lara-bar

> >>> D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2

teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

> >>>

> >>> The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been

observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies

throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've

been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

> >>>

> >>> For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original

intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even

yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

> >>>

> >>> Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to

all who replied, I value your help more than you know!

> >>>

> >>> Lilian

> >>> " IBS " -C

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tips and the info! What is the " focused treatment " mentioned

here? Clearly what I've been doing so far hasn't done the trick. Do antibiotics

do anything to the biofilm?

(still sitting on the prescription for that)

Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I could

eat when I'd like to taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of dark

chocolate after dinner.

I feel like my food is so d@#% bland and unsatisfying. I feel like I need

something more both nutritionally and emotionally. I guess if there'd be some

reward in terms of feeling better physically the sacrifices would be easier to

bear, but almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and small amts of mushy

veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste good would be good to

have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any other

non-responders out there and how you've handled it.

Lilian

> >>>

> >>>> I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

> >>>> your food diary for us to look at and see if we

> >>>> can spot anything that might give a clue.

> >>>

> >>> Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of

my post.

> >>>

> >>>> I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

> >>>> my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

> >>>> than three months to clear up.

> >>>

> >>> My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my

biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with

that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating.

I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has

been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but

basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while

running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok

:^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this.

All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

> >>>

> >>> Since diarrhea and

> >>>> constipation are opposite ends of the same

> >>>> spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

> >>>

> >>> Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D,

some cause C.

> >>>

> >>>> Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

> >>>> stages, or in trying to add multiple other

> >>>> interventions / limitations like yeast

> >>>> prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

> >>>

> >>> This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out.

Instead of " going to war " against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be

better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can

restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

> >>>

> >>> It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more

and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the

healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

> >>>

> >>> And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of

mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are

important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during

spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

> >>>

> >>> So here are my past 3 days:

> >>>

> >>> Saturday:

> >>> B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

> >>> L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after,

suspect the youghurt)

> >>> D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

> >>> then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut

muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a

loong time)

> >>>

> >>> Sunday:

> >>> B: coffee, banana " pancake " (egg), applesauce, DCCC

> >>> L: chicken soup

> >>> D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

> >>>

> >>> Monday

> >>> B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

> >>> L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

> >>> snack: small piece of Lara-bar

> >>> D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2

teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

> >>>

> >>> The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been

observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies

throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've

been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

> >>>

> >>> For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original

intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even

yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

> >>>

> >>> Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to

all who replied, I value your help more than you know!

> >>>

> >>> Lilian

> >>> " IBS " -C

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

At 10:33 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote:

Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and

cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I could eat when I'd like to

taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of dark chocolate after

dinner.

I take about three pecan halves and squish a pitted date around them. You

could do this with pecan butter if you don't think whole nuts are a good

idea just yet.

I feel like my food is so d@#%

bland and unsatisfying. I feel like I need something more both

nutritionally and emotionally. I guess if there'd be some reward in terms

of feeling better physically the sacrifices would be easier to bear, but

almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and small amts of mushy

veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste good would be

good to have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any

other non-responders out there and how you've handled

it.

What kinds of things di8d you like to eat before SCD that did not include

starch and sugar?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 10:33 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote:

Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and

cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I could eat when I'd like to

taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of dark chocolate after

dinner.

I take about three pecan halves and squish a pitted date around them. You

could do this with pecan butter if you don't think whole nuts are a good

idea just yet.

I feel like my food is so d@#%

bland and unsatisfying. I feel like I need something more both

nutritionally and emotionally. I guess if there'd be some reward in terms

of feeling better physically the sacrifices would be easier to bear, but

almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and small amts of mushy

veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste good would be

good to have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any

other non-responders out there and how you've handled

it.

What kinds of things di8d you like to eat before SCD that did not include

starch and sugar?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the tips and the info! What is the " focused treatment " mentioned

here? Clearly what I've been doing so far hasn't done the trick. Do antibiotics

do anything to the biofilm?

> (still sitting on the prescription for that)

>

> Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I

could eat when I'd like to taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of

dark chocolate after dinner.

Lemon meringue pie - or just the custard part.

Since you can eat eggs and coconut milk:

http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/coconut-milk/

The peach coconut custard is particularly delicious, and substitute

a fruit you can use, if there is a fruit you can eat - probably of the berry

variety or cherries are easiest with least fructose.

>

> I feel like my food is so d@#% bland and unsatisfying

It doesn't have to be bland - add herbs and spices and butter and make it really

good. SCD food

can be delicious. Can you eat onions and/or garlic?

When I started out, I had delicious veggie/herb omelets every morning.

Can you eat smoked salmon? That's yum, too.

> . I feel like I need something more both nutritionally and emotionally. I

guess if there'd be some reward in terms of feeling better physically the

sacrifices would be easier to bear, but almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and

small amts of mushy veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste

good would be good to have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there

are any other non-responders out there and how you've handled it.

Mara

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the tips and the info! What is the " focused treatment " mentioned

here? Clearly what I've been doing so far hasn't done the trick. Do antibiotics

do anything to the biofilm?

> (still sitting on the prescription for that)

>

> Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I

could eat when I'd like to taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of

dark chocolate after dinner.

Lemon meringue pie - or just the custard part.

Since you can eat eggs and coconut milk:

http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/coconut-milk/

The peach coconut custard is particularly delicious, and substitute

a fruit you can use, if there is a fruit you can eat - probably of the berry

variety or cherries are easiest with least fructose.

>

> I feel like my food is so d@#% bland and unsatisfying

It doesn't have to be bland - add herbs and spices and butter and make it really

good. SCD food

can be delicious. Can you eat onions and/or garlic?

When I started out, I had delicious veggie/herb omelets every morning.

Can you eat smoked salmon? That's yum, too.

> . I feel like I need something more both nutritionally and emotionally. I

guess if there'd be some reward in terms of feeling better physically the

sacrifices would be easier to bear, but almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and

small amts of mushy veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste

good would be good to have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there

are any other non-responders out there and how you've handled it.

Mara

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the tips and the info! What is the " focused treatment " mentioned

here?

Haven't gone. So I don't know. But if you look at the website,

you can get a sense that they target these kind of things through

whatever meds and therapies they have at their facilities.

> Clearly what I've been doing so far hasn't done the trick. Do antibiotics do

anything to the biofilm?

No, not yet. The biofilm pretty much protects them from the

antibiotics - or they go dormant or something, depending on

which one they are.

Depending if your problem is yeast or pathogenic bacteria, you need

an anti-biofilm agent. For yeast, people use candex or candidase and

s. boulardii, for pathogenic bacteria, I'm not sure. I saw one recently, but

I don't have the link at hand.

Read this:

http://pecanbread.com/new/yeast.html

particularly Sheila's thing at the end.

> (still sitting on the prescription for that)

>

> Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I

could eat when I'd like to taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of

dark chocolate after dinner.

>

> I feel like my food is so d@#% bland and unsatisfying. I feel like I need

something more both nutritionally and emotionally. I guess if there'd be some

reward in terms of feeling better physically the sacrifices would be easier to

bear, but almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and small amts of mushy

veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste good would be good to

have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any other

non-responders out there and how you've handled it.

> Lilian

>

>

>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

>>>>>> your food diary for us to look at and see if we

>>>>>> can spot anything that might give a clue.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of

my post.

>>>>>

>>>>>> I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

>>>>>> my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

>>>>>> than three months to clear up.

>>>>>

>>>>> My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my

biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with

that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating.

I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has

been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but

basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while

running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok

:^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this.

All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since diarrhea and

>>>>>> constipation are opposite ends of the same

>>>>>> spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D,

some cause C.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

>>>>>> stages, or in trying to add multiple other

>>>>>> interventions / limitations like yeast

>>>>>> prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

>>>>>

>>>>> This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out.

Instead of " going to war " against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be

better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can

restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

>>>>>

>>>>> It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more

and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the

healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

>>>>>

>>>>> And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of

mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are

important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during

spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

>>>>>

>>>>> So here are my past 3 days:

>>>>>

>>>>> Saturday:

>>>>> B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

>>>>> L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after,

suspect the youghurt)

>>>>> D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

>>>>> then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut

muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a

loong time)

>>>>>

>>>>> Sunday:

>>>>> B: coffee, banana " pancake " (egg), applesauce, DCCC

>>>>> L: chicken soup

>>>>> D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

>>>>>

>>>>> Monday

>>>>> B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

>>>>> L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

>>>>> snack: small piece of Lara-bar

>>>>> D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2

teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

>>>>>

>>>>> The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been

observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies

throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've

been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

>>>>>

>>>>> For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original

intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even

yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to

all who replied, I value your help more than you know!

>>>>>

>>>>> Lilian

>>>>> " IBS " -C

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the tips and the info! What is the " focused treatment " mentioned

here?

Haven't gone. So I don't know. But if you look at the website,

you can get a sense that they target these kind of things through

whatever meds and therapies they have at their facilities.

> Clearly what I've been doing so far hasn't done the trick. Do antibiotics do

anything to the biofilm?

No, not yet. The biofilm pretty much protects them from the

antibiotics - or they go dormant or something, depending on

which one they are.

Depending if your problem is yeast or pathogenic bacteria, you need

an anti-biofilm agent. For yeast, people use candex or candidase and

s. boulardii, for pathogenic bacteria, I'm not sure. I saw one recently, but

I don't have the link at hand.

Read this:

http://pecanbread.com/new/yeast.html

particularly Sheila's thing at the end.

> (still sitting on the prescription for that)

>

> Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I

could eat when I'd like to taste something good? Pre-SCD I'd have a piece of

dark chocolate after dinner.

>

> I feel like my food is so d@#% bland and unsatisfying. I feel like I need

something more both nutritionally and emotionally. I guess if there'd be some

reward in terms of feeling better physically the sacrifices would be easier to

bear, but almost 4 months of eggs, ground beef and small amts of mushy

veggies...it's getting old. SOme small treat that taste good would be good to

have when cravings set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any other

non-responders out there and how you've handled it.

> Lilian

>

>

>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm going to suggest that you post a few days of

>>>>>> your food diary for us to look at and see if we

>>>>>> can spot anything that might give a clue.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thank you so much for offering to do this, I'll pots 3 day at the end of

my post.

>>>>>

>>>>>> I can tell you that while I felt better on SCD,

>>>>>> my soft, mushy stool took quite a bit more time

>>>>>> than three months to clear up.

>>>>>

>>>>> My concern is, I haven't really felt better. To be clear, the C isn't my

biggest concern, since at least I can use some form of laxative to help with

that. What bothers me the most is the abdominal distention I get after eating.

I'm happy to report that the stomach discomfort and out-of-control burping has

been all but eliminated since I've been taking HCl before eating (yeah!), but

basically eating makes me look (and feel, to the point of incontinence while

running (sorry abt the TMI, but somehow I suspect on this list details are ok

:^) ) very pregnant. And the fluid retention that goes hand in hand with this.

All in all adding about 6 or more pounds of fluid, gas and C.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since diarrhea and

>>>>>> constipation are opposite ends of the same

>>>>>> spectrum, one might expect the same to be true of it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Absolutely. Pimentel's theory of course is that some bacteria cause D,

some cause C.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Sometimes I think that in trying to follow the

>>>>>> stages, or in trying to add multiple other

>>>>>> interventions / limitations like yeast

>>>>>> prevention, we actually continue the imbalance in our guts.

>>>>>

>>>>> This makes so much sense to me, thank you so much for pointing it out.

Instead of " going to war " against symptoms of imbalance one would perhaps be

better off helping elevate the level of health in the body so that it can

restore its homeostasis, including its microbial balance.

>>>>>

>>>>> It feels like a relief not to think in terms of limiting one's diet more

and more and more, but rather gently lead it towards greater tolerance of the

healthful foods it needs in order to thrive.

>>>>>

>>>>> And I know that for me, meditation and the other ways of

mentally/emotionall y/spiritually feeling better I mentioned previously are

important for gut health. I'm looking forward to a trip to the Caribbean during

spring break; my gut are always so happy when I spend time in the sun :^).

>>>>>

>>>>> So here are my past 3 days:

>>>>>

>>>>> Saturday:

>>>>> B; coffee with home-made coconut milk, 2 fried eggs, DCCC

>>>>> L: leftover coffee (1/4 cup), yoghurt, apple sauce (felt worse after,

suspect the youghurt)

>>>>> D: pork rib tips, squash, well cooked tomato, avocado

>>>>> then- in a moment of despair and seized by cravings: one almond flour nut

muffin and cashew butter, scotch on the rocks (haven't had nut muffins in a

loong time)

>>>>>

>>>>> Sunday:

>>>>> B: coffee, banana " pancake " (egg), applesauce, DCCC

>>>>> L: chicken soup

>>>>> D: ground beef patty, 1/2 avocado, 1/2 tomato, DCCC for taste

>>>>>

>>>>> Monday

>>>>> B: coffe, fried eggs, tomato, avocado

>>>>> L: ground beef patty w/ legal mustard, squash, tomato

>>>>> snack: small piece of Lara-bar

>>>>> D: oven-baked chicken, eggplant, tomato, a few stalks of asparagus, 1/2

teaspoon of cashew-butter (craving something good, some kind of dessert)

>>>>>

>>>>> The above represents my departure from the candida-precautions I've been

observing lately, as well as my attempt to add a small amount of veggies

throughout the day. Other than that, it's fairly representative of what I've

been eating; meat, eggs, squash forming the bulk of the diet.

>>>>>

>>>>> For some reason I didn't react well to most of the foods on the original

intro diet (cheesecake, even without honey), chicken soup, carrots, even

yoghurt. Ground beef patties and eggs are the safest bets for me.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thank you so much for offering to take a look at this, thank so much to

all who replied, I value your help more than you know!

>>>>>

>>>>> Lilian

>>>>> " IBS " -C

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

nner.

>

> Lemon meringue pie - or just the custard part.

>

> Since you can eat eggs and coconut milk:

>

> http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/coconut-milk/

This does look delic, thanks! Coconut flour made me very gassy when I tried it,

but maybe a smaller amount would work.

> It doesn't have to be bland - add herbs and spices and butter and make it

really good. SCD food

> can be delicious. Can you eat onions and/or garlic?

I didn't mean that SCD food per se is bland, but I'm basically stuck on my intro

:the meat. Chicken soup, cheesecake etc didn't agree with me so my intro ended

up being meat patties and fried eggs and that's where I am, almost 4 months

later. I think I may be especially distended and C'd right now because I've

tried to advance, adding a small amt of veggies to every meal, or perhaps it's

the DCCC I went back to trying, or whatever it is beyond the plain meat patties.

I also stopped using honey, jello etc. SO that's why it's bland, not because of

SCD. I have the cookbook and the recipes look delicious, but they affect me juts

as badly as non-SCD food does.

> When I started out, I had delicious veggie/herb omelets every morning.

> Can you eat smoked salmon? That's yum, too.

Well, I'm not much of a cook, could never produce a " delicious omelet " , LOL. But

I have fried eggs every morning, and putting cheese on makes them very good. BUt

lately I've been avoiding cheese because of it's reputation as a constipator. I

don't eat smoked salmon because of the salt content; one of my main symptoms is

fluid retention that always goes hand in hand with the distention, so I avoid

salt.

Thank you so much for the input!

Lilian

[Guest guest]

nner.

>

> Lemon meringue pie - or just the custard part.

>

> Since you can eat eggs and coconut milk:

>

> http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/coconut-milk/

This does look delic, thanks! Coconut flour made me very gassy when I tried it,

but maybe a smaller amount would work.

> It doesn't have to be bland - add herbs and spices and butter and make it

really good. SCD food

> can be delicious. Can you eat onions and/or garlic?

I didn't mean that SCD food per se is bland, but I'm basically stuck on my intro

:the meat. Chicken soup, cheesecake etc didn't agree with me so my intro ended

up being meat patties and fried eggs and that's where I am, almost 4 months

later. I think I may be especially distended and C'd right now because I've

tried to advance, adding a small amt of veggies to every meal, or perhaps it's

the DCCC I went back to trying, or whatever it is beyond the plain meat patties.

I also stopped using honey, jello etc. SO that's why it's bland, not because of

SCD. I have the cookbook and the recipes look delicious, but they affect me juts

as badly as non-SCD food does.

> When I started out, I had delicious veggie/herb omelets every morning.

> Can you eat smoked salmon? That's yum, too.

Well, I'm not much of a cook, could never produce a " delicious omelet " , LOL. But

I have fried eggs every morning, and putting cheese on makes them very good. BUt

lately I've been avoiding cheese because of it's reputation as a constipator. I

don't eat smoked salmon because of the salt content; one of my main symptoms is

fluid retention that always goes hand in hand with the distention, so I avoid

salt.

Thank you so much for the input!

Lilian

[Guest guest]

>

> What kinds of things di8d you like to eat before

> SCD that did not include starch and sugar?

Meat, eggs, fish. I can still eat those. It's the non-SCD foods that used to add

some flavor to my day, I guess.

My diet pre-SCD was not a typical SAD diet, but I did eat brown rice products,

chocolate and didn't peruse labels about small amts of sugar and other illegals.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

>

> What kinds of things di8d you like to eat before

> SCD that did not include starch and sugar?

Meat, eggs, fish. I can still eat those. It's the non-SCD foods that used to add

some flavor to my day, I guess.

My diet pre-SCD was not a typical SAD diet, but I did eat brown rice products,

chocolate and didn't peruse labels about small amts of sugar and other illegals.

Lilian