Re: Time to throw in the towel?

[Guest guest]

I didn't mean that SCD food per se is bland, but I'm basically stuck on my intro :the meat. Chicken soup, cheesecake etc didn't agree with me so my intro ended up being meat patties and fried eggs and that's where I am, almost 4 months later. I think I may be especially distended and C'd right now because I've tried to advance, adding a small amt of veggies to every meal, or perhaps it's the DCCC I went back to trying, or whatever it is beyond the plain meat patties. I also stopped using honey, jello etc. SO that's why it's bland, not because of SCD. I have the cookbook and the recipes look delicious, but they affect me juts as badly as non-SCD food does.When I started out, I had delicious veggie/herb omelets every morning. Can you eat smoked salmon? That's yum, too. Well, I'm not much of a cook, could never produce a "delicious omelet", LOL. I just fry up some veggies/fresh herbs in butter first and then add scrambledup eggs - with grated cheese if you want some. And then scramblethem together - unless I am going for a more formal omelet if I amin the mood, or if there is company, etc. But I have fried eggs every morning, and putting cheese on makes them very good. BUt lately I've been avoiding cheese because of it's reputation as a constipator. I don't eat smoked salmon because of the salt content; one of my main symptoms is fluid retention that always goes hand in hand with the distention, so I avoid salt.Have you tried miralax? Does that work for you?Kim uses that. Myself, I'd probably be tempted to do occasionalenemas, if nothing else was working, until thingsnormalized more. The thing is, you are probablyhaving all kinds of toxins released into yoursystem by die off at this point, which are making you feel worse since you are not expelling them regularly.Are you feeling tired, and achy? Or having headaches?Those are signs of die off. Plus, the lingering C, itself can bea sign. But, you could say, C is not really my area of expertise,so I'll leave dealing with that to others. Mara

[Guest guest]

I didn't mean that SCD food per se is bland, but I'm basically stuck on my intro :the meat. Chicken soup, cheesecake etc didn't agree with me so my intro ended up being meat patties and fried eggs and that's where I am, almost 4 months later. I think I may be especially distended and C'd right now because I've tried to advance, adding a small amt of veggies to every meal, or perhaps it's the DCCC I went back to trying, or whatever it is beyond the plain meat patties. I also stopped using honey, jello etc. SO that's why it's bland, not because of SCD. I have the cookbook and the recipes look delicious, but they affect me juts as badly as non-SCD food does.When I started out, I had delicious veggie/herb omelets every morning. Can you eat smoked salmon? That's yum, too. Well, I'm not much of a cook, could never produce a "delicious omelet", LOL. I just fry up some veggies/fresh herbs in butter first and then add scrambledup eggs - with grated cheese if you want some. And then scramblethem together - unless I am going for a more formal omelet if I amin the mood, or if there is company, etc. But I have fried eggs every morning, and putting cheese on makes them very good. BUt lately I've been avoiding cheese because of it's reputation as a constipator. I don't eat smoked salmon because of the salt content; one of my main symptoms is fluid retention that always goes hand in hand with the distention, so I avoid salt.Have you tried miralax? Does that work for you?Kim uses that. Myself, I'd probably be tempted to do occasionalenemas, if nothing else was working, until thingsnormalized more. The thing is, you are probablyhaving all kinds of toxins released into yoursystem by die off at this point, which are making you feel worse since you are not expelling them regularly.Are you feeling tired, and achy? Or having headaches?Those are signs of die off. Plus, the lingering C, itself can bea sign. But, you could say, C is not really my area of expertise,so I'll leave dealing with that to others. Mara

[Guest guest]

looser. My problem is motility, it seems. Since SCD my stool has become very

hard, so I think that's what's increasing the C.

My symtoms seem consistent with low serotonin levels, but apart from recalled

meds that I'd be sacred to use I find it hard to find info on how to increase

intestinal levels on Serotonin. There is much more info on Serotonin and the

brain.

> Myself, I'd probably be tempted to do occasional

> enemas, if nothing else was working, until things

> normalized more.

Enemas never helped me either. I even tried one of those colonic irrigations

(mechanical enemas, really) once, and I reacted very badly to it (more bloating,

immediately). I've tried repeated enemas in the past, couldn't get things going

no matter what.

> The thing is, you are probably

> having all kinds of toxins released into your

> system by die off at this point, which are making

> you feel worse since you are not expelling them

> regularly.

>

> Are you feeling tired, and achy? Or having headaches?

> Those are signs of die off. Plus, the lingering C, itself can be

> a sign.

No signs of die-off at all. A little more tired because of the season (live in

northern IL) and low-normal thyroid hormone levels, but absolutely nothing that

sounds/seems like die-off.

> But, you could say, C is not really my area of expertise,

> so I'll leave dealing with that to others.

Yeah, we tend to have " expertise " in either one or the other, don't we :^)?!

Thanks!

Lilian

IBS-C

[Guest guest]

looser. My problem is motility, it seems. Since SCD my stool has become very

hard, so I think that's what's increasing the C.

My symtoms seem consistent with low serotonin levels, but apart from recalled

meds that I'd be sacred to use I find it hard to find info on how to increase

intestinal levels on Serotonin. There is much more info on Serotonin and the

brain.

> Myself, I'd probably be tempted to do occasional

> enemas, if nothing else was working, until things

> normalized more.

Enemas never helped me either. I even tried one of those colonic irrigations

(mechanical enemas, really) once, and I reacted very badly to it (more bloating,

immediately). I've tried repeated enemas in the past, couldn't get things going

no matter what.

> The thing is, you are probably

> having all kinds of toxins released into your

> system by die off at this point, which are making

> you feel worse since you are not expelling them

> regularly.

>

> Are you feeling tired, and achy? Or having headaches?

> Those are signs of die off. Plus, the lingering C, itself can be

> a sign.

No signs of die-off at all. A little more tired because of the season (live in

northern IL) and low-normal thyroid hormone levels, but absolutely nothing that

sounds/seems like die-off.

> But, you could say, C is not really my area of expertise,

> so I'll leave dealing with that to others.

Yeah, we tend to have " expertise " in either one or the other, don't we :^)?!

Thanks!

Lilian

IBS-C

[Guest guest]

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> nner.

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>> Lemon meringue pie - or just the custard part.

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>> Since you can eat eggs and coconut milk:

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>> http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/coconut-milk/

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> This does look delic, thanks! Coconut flour made me very gassy when I tried

it, but maybe a smaller amount would work.

Also, get some cocoa butter and try that - it's very happy making.

SCD with cocoa butter is a whole different world:

http://shop.chocolatealchemy.com/collections/raw-ingredients

try the top one, if you are interested.

I add flakes of it to coffee with almond or coconut milk, and it makes it

like a mocha. I add it to other baking, too, but in place of butter or

coconut oil.

Mara

[Guest guest]

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> nner.

>>

>> Lemon meringue pie - or just the custard part.

>>

>> Since you can eat eggs and coconut milk:

>>

>> http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/coconut-milk/

>

> This does look delic, thanks! Coconut flour made me very gassy when I tried

it, but maybe a smaller amount would work.

Also, get some cocoa butter and try that - it's very happy making.

SCD with cocoa butter is a whole different world:

http://shop.chocolatealchemy.com/collections/raw-ingredients

try the top one, if you are interested.

I add flakes of it to coffee with almond or coconut milk, and it makes it

like a mocha. I add it to other baking, too, but in place of butter or

coconut oil.

Mara

[Guest guest]

> looser. My problem is motility, it seems. Since SCD my stool has become very

hard, so I think that's what's increasing the C.

Are you sure it is not a functional problem adding to the

difficulty?

What did you do before to increase motility?

Mara

[Guest guest]

> looser. My problem is motility, it seems. Since SCD my stool has become very

hard, so I think that's what's increasing the C.

Are you sure it is not a functional problem adding to the

difficulty?

What did you do before to increase motility?

Mara

[Guest guest]

At 06:59 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

I don't eat smoked salmon

because of the salt content; one of my main symptoms is fluid retention

that always goes hand in hand with the distention, so I avoid

salt.

Lilian,

As you may know, I battle with lymphedema because they removed a bunch of

lymph nodes during my cancer surgery in 2008.

I do exercises to get the fluid circulating. But even that wasn't helping

my feet and lower legs. (When your feet are so puffy you can't get them

into a pair of open-toed sandals...!)

Literally, just this week, I was messing around with when and how much of

what supplement I was taking, trying to find something which would work,

and I stumbled on l-taurine, an amino acid which I have used for years.

The recommendation was to take taurine on an empty stomach, so I did. And

discovered that one of the things taurine does is help you to retain

potassium and magnesium in your cells, and to excrete sodium.

My feet and legs still swell, but not nearly so much. (They have been, on

multiple occasions, so swollen the skin was painfully

stretched.)

You might check with a health care practitioner about getting training in

handling the fluid retention, ie, circulating it past the gut area so it

can be disposed of.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 06:59 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

I don't eat smoked salmon

because of the salt content; one of my main symptoms is fluid retention

that always goes hand in hand with the distention, so I avoid

salt.

Lilian,

As you may know, I battle with lymphedema because they removed a bunch of

lymph nodes during my cancer surgery in 2008.

I do exercises to get the fluid circulating. But even that wasn't helping

my feet and lower legs. (When your feet are so puffy you can't get them

into a pair of open-toed sandals...!)

Literally, just this week, I was messing around with when and how much of

what supplement I was taking, trying to find something which would work,

and I stumbled on l-taurine, an amino acid which I have used for years.

The recommendation was to take taurine on an empty stomach, so I did. And

discovered that one of the things taurine does is help you to retain

potassium and magnesium in your cells, and to excrete sodium.

My feet and legs still swell, but not nearly so much. (They have been, on

multiple occasions, so swollen the skin was painfully

stretched.)

You might check with a health care practitioner about getting training in

handling the fluid retention, ie, circulating it past the gut area so it

can be disposed of.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

> What did you do before to increase motility?

>

> Mara

With 2 Aloe capsules a day I was able to have one BM per day, almost every day.

Since starting SCD stool is harder, and with the aforementioned ALoe capsules +

one cup of SEnna tea per day, still very C'd BM perhaps every 3 days now.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

> What did you do before to increase motility?

>

> Mara

With 2 Aloe capsules a day I was able to have one BM per day, almost every day.

Since starting SCD stool is harder, and with the aforementioned ALoe capsules +

one cup of SEnna tea per day, still very C'd BM perhaps every 3 days now.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

At 07:04 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Meat, eggs, fish. I can still

eat those. It's the non-SCD foods that used to add some flavor to my day,

I guess.

Then what you need to do is find a way to recreate the taste sensations

without the junk.

What spices and herbs do you enjoy? Any ethnic cuisines?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 07:04 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Meat, eggs, fish. I can still

eat those. It's the non-SCD foods that used to add some flavor to my day,

I guess.

Then what you need to do is find a way to recreate the taste sensations

without the junk.

What spices and herbs do you enjoy? Any ethnic cuisines?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

>

> l-taurine, an amino acid

> which I have used for years. The recommendation

> was to take taurine on an empty stomach, so I

> did. And discovered that one of the things

> taurine does is help you to retain potassium and

> magnesium in your cells, and to excrete sodium.

Marilyn, I'm very happy for you, first of all, and thank you for sharing this,

it's like music to my ears :^)! Will try it immediately!

Lilian

IBS-C

[Guest guest]

>

> l-taurine, an amino acid

> which I have used for years. The recommendation

> was to take taurine on an empty stomach, so I

> did. And discovered that one of the things

> taurine does is help you to retain potassium and

> magnesium in your cells, and to excrete sodium.

Marilyn, I'm very happy for you, first of all, and thank you for sharing this,

it's like music to my ears :^)! Will try it immediately!

Lilian

IBS-C

[Guest guest]

I like anything really, spicy food being a favorite. Thai, indian etc. My sense

is, and I may be wrong, that I'm craving greater variety for nutritional

reasons, and carbs to get serotonin levels up. And since I'm " stuck on intro " in

terms of tolerance I haven't been able to introduce more veggies and fruits to

get more carbohydrates.

Lilian

> >Meat, eggs, fish. I can still eat those. It's

> >the non-SCD foods that used to add some flavor to my day, I guess.

>

> Then what you need to do is find a way to

> recreate the taste sensations without the junk.

>

> What spices and herbs do you enjoy? Any ethnic cuisines?

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

I like anything really, spicy food being a favorite. Thai, indian etc. My sense

is, and I may be wrong, that I'm craving greater variety for nutritional

reasons, and carbs to get serotonin levels up. And since I'm " stuck on intro " in

terms of tolerance I haven't been able to introduce more veggies and fruits to

get more carbohydrates.

Lilian

> >Meat, eggs, fish. I can still eat those. It's

> >the non-SCD foods that used to add some flavor to my day, I guess.

>

> Then what you need to do is find a way to

> recreate the taste sensations without the junk.

>

> What spices and herbs do you enjoy? Any ethnic cuisines?

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Lillian,

I have always loved spicy foods and I was thrilled to find I could grind up my own dried hot peppers that I found in the store and add them to intro foods and it really helped with the boredom factor.

I used to sautee ground meat and add tomatoes and zucchini and add grated cheddar cheese and the hot peppers at the end. I could eat that 'till the cows came home. It felt like spaghetti without the pasta.

Elaine allows peppers, that includes dried hot peppers. In fact, I believe mara wrote they have been shown to help with IBD--the capsaicin in the hot peppers is shown to be beneficial.

Terry

[Guest guest]

Lillian,

I have always loved spicy foods and I was thrilled to find I could grind up my own dried hot peppers that I found in the store and add them to intro foods and it really helped with the boredom factor.

I used to sautee ground meat and add tomatoes and zucchini and add grated cheddar cheese and the hot peppers at the end. I could eat that 'till the cows came home. It felt like spaghetti without the pasta.

Elaine allows peppers, that includes dried hot peppers. In fact, I believe mara wrote they have been shown to help with IBD--the capsaicin in the hot peppers is shown to be beneficial.

Terry

[Guest guest]

Lillian,

I'm sure you've done this but just in case.... have you tried cooking

the mildest of veggies a lot...very soft... and then pureeing? This

really does help in a lot of cases where you are having trouble

breaking them down. Same with fruit. Or, how about smoothies to get

some veggies and fruits in? Alyssa has some neat smoothie ideas she uses.

And I would second, or third, seeing how you do without dairy. I'd

be horribly C if I were eating milk products of any kind.

[Guest guest]

Lillian,

I'm sure you've done this but just in case.... have you tried cooking

the mildest of veggies a lot...very soft... and then pureeing? This

really does help in a lot of cases where you are having trouble

breaking them down. Same with fruit. Or, how about smoothies to get

some veggies and fruits in? Alyssa has some neat smoothie ideas she uses.

And I would second, or third, seeing how you do without dairy. I'd

be horribly C if I were eating milk products of any kind.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is nice to think of a little treat. Eventually you should

get there. Have you tried banana? I know some people can't handle

them (like anything else) but I'm remembering my last colonoscopy

prep, the three days of modified diet before the real prep day. I

was told no fruits or veggies that weren't cooked. Except banana.

They said that was nearly pre-digested anyhow. And of course we are

only eating ripe bananas anyhow here.

SOme small treat that taste good would be good to have when cravings

set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any other non-responders

out there and how you've handled it.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is nice to think of a little treat. Eventually you should

get there. Have you tried banana? I know some people can't handle

them (like anything else) but I'm remembering my last colonoscopy

prep, the three days of modified diet before the real prep day. I

was told no fruits or veggies that weren't cooked. Except banana.

They said that was nearly pre-digested anyhow. And of course we are

only eating ripe bananas anyhow here.

SOme small treat that taste good would be good to have when cravings

set in.WOuld be great to hear if there are any other non-responders

out there and how you've handled it.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Skipping Larabars, yoghurt and cashew butter; is there *anything* at all I could eat when I'd like to taste something good?Fruit smoothie? Those are basically my dessert, since I'm not eating honey =) Also, I made a whole chicken from scratch the other day (aren't you guys proud of me??) and the skin got super crispy and it was AMAZING. I put butter and marjoram and salt on it, and baked it at 350 (I think) for a little over an hour. Super greasy goodness =D Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)