Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hey Eileen, Did you get die off symptoms with nystatin? Tiredness, achiness, etc. > I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI (the only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal corrosion based on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns and I never really had crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I speak - so sick of this!! guessing it's yeast related but ??? > also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for him to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well > Eileen 2 years scd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 At 04:23 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: then what is the answer? How do you fight it? , Long term, the answer, I believe, is SCD. SCD starves the bad bacteria and makes them die. Yes, it may also starve some of the good bacteria, which is why we eat out yogurt and/or take probiotics, to replenish the supply of good bacteria. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 At 04:23 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: then what is the answer? How do you fight it? , Long term, the answer, I believe, is SCD. SCD starves the bad bacteria and makes them die. Yes, it may also starve some of the good bacteria, which is why we eat out yogurt and/or take probiotics, to replenish the supply of good bacteria. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 This may be OT to SCD but my old GYN doc (retired now) said because the region we live in (Houston) is so humid that every female has yeast issues. Does that sound right? He mentioned not sleeping in sweats, taking off pantyhose as soon as I got home--that type of thing. Completely drying off after swimming or showering. Any other ideas? Debbie 40 cd > Hey Eileen, > > Did you get die off symptoms with nystatin? Tiredness, achiness, etc. > > > > >> I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI >> (the only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal >> corrosion based on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns >> and I never really had crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I >> speak - so sick of this!! guessing it's yeast related but ??? >> also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for >> him to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well >> Eileen 2 years scd > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 This may be OT to SCD but my old GYN doc (retired now) said because the region we live in (Houston) is so humid that every female has yeast issues. Does that sound right? He mentioned not sleeping in sweats, taking off pantyhose as soon as I got home--that type of thing. Completely drying off after swimming or showering. Any other ideas? Debbie 40 cd > Hey Eileen, > > Did you get die off symptoms with nystatin? Tiredness, achiness, etc. > > > > >> I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI >> (the only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal >> corrosion based on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns >> and I never really had crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I >> speak - so sick of this!! guessing it's yeast related but ??? >> also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for >> him to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well >> Eileen 2 years scd > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 This is not vaginal yeast - it's intestinal yeast. Mara > This may be OT to SCD but my old GYN doc (retired now) said because > the region we live in (Houston) is so humid that every female has > yeast issues. > > Does that sound right? He mentioned not sleeping in sweats, taking off > pantyhose as soon as I got home--that type of thing. Completely > drying off after swimming or showering. > > Any other ideas? > > Debbie 40 cd > > >> Hey Eileen, >> >> Did you get die off symptoms with nystatin? Tiredness, achiness, etc. >> >> >> >> >>> I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI >>> (the only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal >>> corrosion based on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns >>> and I never really had crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I >>> speak - so sick of this!! guessing it's yeast related but ??? >>> also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for >>> him to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well >>> Eileen 2 years scd >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 This is not vaginal yeast - it's intestinal yeast. Mara > This may be OT to SCD but my old GYN doc (retired now) said because > the region we live in (Houston) is so humid that every female has > yeast issues. > > Does that sound right? He mentioned not sleeping in sweats, taking off > pantyhose as soon as I got home--that type of thing. Completely > drying off after swimming or showering. > > Any other ideas? > > Debbie 40 cd > > >> Hey Eileen, >> >> Did you get die off symptoms with nystatin? Tiredness, achiness, etc. >> >> >> >> >>> I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI >>> (the only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal >>> corrosion based on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns >>> and I never really had crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I >>> speak - so sick of this!! guessing it's yeast related but ??? >>> also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for >>> him to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well >>> Eileen 2 years scd >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Andy,He is doing o.k. The number of areas are increasing, but the severity isn't. Topically he is using Tea Tree oil lotion (just a good lotion containing 5% tea tree oil) and good quality coconut oil alternately. It seems to help it some. He is using coal tar shampoo (Neutrogena brand) for his scalp and it is helping a bit as well. He is taking s. boulardii and l. acidophilus capsules too. I think he will just have to work through this. At least he is keeping it at bay and is able to work and interact normally for now.Antibiotics are not going to help a fungal infection and will actually make it worse. The only time you would need the antibiotics is if you were to get a skin infection due to scratching too much. There are some good over the counter creams to help with fungal infections -- basically anything labelled to help with 'jock itch' or 'athlete's foot' will help. I would try those and rotate with oil of oregano (mixed with a carrier oil like olive oil or almond oil) and grapefruit seed extract (again I think it needs to be in a carrier oil). Both are supposed to be very good both internally and externally for antimicrobial, yeast, parasites, etc. If taken internally, the extracts/oil can be mixed with edible oil or water/juice. I am so glad to hear that your colitis is under control! What great news!Progress may feel slow, but at least you are making it.AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 5:41:29 AMSubject: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast Amelia- Sorry to hear about Sanjay. I hope he gets better. Has anything that you tried worked? I didn't visit the forum but was following up the mails for a month. Because I didn't want to think about my illness, and just deal with it everyday. I still have Prostatitis issues -- didn't take antibiotics. I had fungal infection, which went away for after taking antibiotics but its back again now. Its on my genitals again. I don't know how to deal with it. My colitis is under control, and I am able to eat more foods. Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed? And how? -Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Andy,He is doing o.k. The number of areas are increasing, but the severity isn't. Topically he is using Tea Tree oil lotion (just a good lotion containing 5% tea tree oil) and good quality coconut oil alternately. It seems to help it some. He is using coal tar shampoo (Neutrogena brand) for his scalp and it is helping a bit as well. He is taking s. boulardii and l. acidophilus capsules too. I think he will just have to work through this. At least he is keeping it at bay and is able to work and interact normally for now.Antibiotics are not going to help a fungal infection and will actually make it worse. The only time you would need the antibiotics is if you were to get a skin infection due to scratching too much. There are some good over the counter creams to help with fungal infections -- basically anything labelled to help with 'jock itch' or 'athlete's foot' will help. I would try those and rotate with oil of oregano (mixed with a carrier oil like olive oil or almond oil) and grapefruit seed extract (again I think it needs to be in a carrier oil). Both are supposed to be very good both internally and externally for antimicrobial, yeast, parasites, etc. If taken internally, the extracts/oil can be mixed with edible oil or water/juice. I am so glad to hear that your colitis is under control! What great news!Progress may feel slow, but at least you are making it.AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 5:41:29 AMSubject: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast Amelia- Sorry to hear about Sanjay. I hope he gets better. Has anything that you tried worked? I didn't visit the forum but was following up the mails for a month. Because I didn't want to think about my illness, and just deal with it everyday. I still have Prostatitis issues -- didn't take antibiotics. I had fungal infection, which went away for after taking antibiotics but its back again now. Its on my genitals again. I don't know how to deal with it. My colitis is under control, and I am able to eat more foods. Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed? And how? -Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 My suspicion is that we all have gut dysbiosis of one kind or another and that this allows the yeasties to get too much of a foothold, too, since we are out of balance. Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 My suspicion is that we all have gut dysbiosis of one kind or another and that this allows the yeasties to get too much of a foothold, too, since we are out of balance. Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Celiac alone would make sense because the intestinal corrosion would be a result of the celiac. I hope the rest of the issues clear up soon for you. PJ > > > > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > > > > As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off. > > > > > > > > > > There, justification not to deny your little pleasures! > > > > > > > > > > Amelia > > > > > Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months > > > > > LDN 3mg > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Celiac alone would make sense because the intestinal corrosion would be a result of the celiac. I hope the rest of the issues clear up soon for you. PJ > > > > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > > > > As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off. > > > > > > > > > > There, justification not to deny your little pleasures! > > > > > > > > > > Amelia > > > > > Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months > > > > > LDN 3mg > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Long term meaning years, months? Re: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast At 04:23 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: then what is the answer? How do you fight it? , Long term, the answer, I believe, is SCD. SCD starves the bad bacteria and makes them die. Yes, it may also starve some of the good bacteria, which is why we eat out yogurt and/or take probiotics, to replenish the supply of good bacteria. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Long term meaning years, months? Re: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast At 04:23 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: then what is the answer? How do you fight it? , Long term, the answer, I believe, is SCD. SCD starves the bad bacteria and makes them die. Yes, it may also starve some of the good bacteria, which is why we eat out yogurt and/or take probiotics, to replenish the supply of good bacteria. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 At 02:00 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote: Long term meaning years, months? Months, yes. Could be longer. I can tell you that while I'm still very careful, I have more latitude in terms of eating out than I once did. I have no real interest in going back to the way I ate pre-SCD. SO for me, long-term may mean forever. OTOH, I sat and watched a lady who had had very bad Crohn's, and who healed with SCD, chow down on a N'Awlins po-boy and other things I wouldn't have thought possible. She said she could now have illegals once in awhile, and she would need to be extra strict after her vacation, but she could now occasionally have grains and potatoes. My niece, who was strict SCD for two years is now able to eat potatoes a couple times a week, and rice occasionally. How long " long term " is depends on the individual. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 At 02:00 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote: Long term meaning years, months? Months, yes. Could be longer. I can tell you that while I'm still very careful, I have more latitude in terms of eating out than I once did. I have no real interest in going back to the way I ate pre-SCD. SO for me, long-term may mean forever. OTOH, I sat and watched a lady who had had very bad Crohn's, and who healed with SCD, chow down on a N'Awlins po-boy and other things I wouldn't have thought possible. She said she could now have illegals once in awhile, and she would need to be extra strict after her vacation, but she could now occasionally have grains and potatoes. My niece, who was strict SCD for two years is now able to eat potatoes a couple times a week, and rice occasionally. How long " long term " is depends on the individual. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 At 11:41 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed? And how? Andy, Was wondering where you'd gotten too -- and sorry to hear that some issues are continuing. SCD is a fully balanced diet. Sometimes there are things which need to be modified about the way a given individual implements the diet. Most of us have yeast issues because of a disturbed gut ecology. When we start rearranging their comfortable existence by changing that ecology, the yeastie-beasties tend to object. Violently. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 At 11:41 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed? And how? Andy, Was wondering where you'd gotten too -- and sorry to hear that some issues are continuing. SCD is a fully balanced diet. Sometimes there are things which need to be modified about the way a given individual implements the diet. Most of us have yeast issues because of a disturbed gut ecology. When we start rearranging their comfortable existence by changing that ecology, the yeastie-beasties tend to object. Violently. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Marilyn- Yeah, I didn't want to think about my disease. Yeast seems to be a problem. I don't know if that's what has caused my prostatitis too. Will taking S. bourlardii help with yeast problems? I don't take honey but I am concerned about cutting down on fruits because of the calorie issue. I have been taking some Oil of Oregano (legal) -- not sure how helpful it is. Thanks, Anand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Marilyn- Yeah, I didn't want to think about my disease. Yeast seems to be a problem. I don't know if that's what has caused my prostatitis too. Will taking S. bourlardii help with yeast problems? I don't take honey but I am concerned about cutting down on fruits because of the calorie issue. I have been taking some Oil of Oregano (legal) -- not sure how helpful it is. Thanks, Anand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Actually it is the same critter. Candida albicans is one of the fungal species (there are 3 or 4 in the human body) that inhabit moist and warm places in our body. This means inside the intestinal tract, in the mouth, in the genitourinary region. My gynecologist said much the same thing, Debbie, when I talked to him about my being diagnosed with a candida overgrowth. We both agreed, though, that food choices and how efficient our digestion is have a greater impact on yeast infections. But it also helps to avoid encouraging yeast in all the warm and moist places [grin]. Kim M. SCD 6 years >>>>>>>>>>> This is not vaginal yeast - it's intestinal yeast. Mara> This may be OT to SCD but my old GYN doc (retired now) said because> the region we live in (Houston) is so humid that every female has> yeast issues.> > Does that sound right? He mentioned not sleeping in sweats, taking off> pantyhose as soon as I got home--that type of thing. Completely> drying off after swimming or showering.> > Any other ideas?> > Debbie 40 cd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Actually it is the same critter. Candida albicans is one of the fungal species (there are 3 or 4 in the human body) that inhabit moist and warm places in our body. This means inside the intestinal tract, in the mouth, in the genitourinary region. My gynecologist said much the same thing, Debbie, when I talked to him about my being diagnosed with a candida overgrowth. We both agreed, though, that food choices and how efficient our digestion is have a greater impact on yeast infections. But it also helps to avoid encouraging yeast in all the warm and moist places [grin]. Kim M. SCD 6 years >>>>>>>>>>> This is not vaginal yeast - it's intestinal yeast. Mara> This may be OT to SCD but my old GYN doc (retired now) said because> the region we live in (Houston) is so humid that every female has> yeast issues.> > Does that sound right? He mentioned not sleeping in sweats, taking off> pantyhose as soon as I got home--that type of thing. Completely> drying off after swimming or showering.> > Any other ideas?> > Debbie 40 cd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi Mara, I'm curious because you know so much about health, treatments, and alternative treatments. Do you take any other UC meds besides LDN? I'm just trying to weigh the pros and cons of all of them for myself. Thanks, PJ > > > Hey Kim, I guess I'm just realizing this. How do you know if you have > > intestinal yeast? > > > > Have been treated for thrush when I was on pred all the time pre-SCD. > > Had cultures done but nobody (MD) has ever mentioned intestinal yeast. > > Snort. They don't, unless it's a doctor who > does some homeopathic stuff as well as > conventional. > > > > > I wondered if it was somehow worse for those of us in humid areas--no > > offensive meant to anyone. > > Hmm - I'm wondering if my humidifier is encouraging my > sinusitis yeast (if that is what I have.) > > The other day, after coming home from a few days away, I definitely > noticed some pressure in my head. > > But I feel worse without it. > > Mara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi Mara, I'm curious because you know so much about health, treatments, and alternative treatments. Do you take any other UC meds besides LDN? I'm just trying to weigh the pros and cons of all of them for myself. Thanks, PJ > > > Hey Kim, I guess I'm just realizing this. How do you know if you have > > intestinal yeast? > > > > Have been treated for thrush when I was on pred all the time pre-SCD. > > Had cultures done but nobody (MD) has ever mentioned intestinal yeast. > > Snort. They don't, unless it's a doctor who > does some homeopathic stuff as well as > conventional. > > > > > I wondered if it was somehow worse for those of us in humid areas--no > > offensive meant to anyone. > > Hmm - I'm wondering if my humidifier is encouraging my > sinusitis yeast (if that is what I have.) > > The other day, after coming home from a few days away, I definitely > noticed some pressure in my head. > > But I feel worse without it. > > Mara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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