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> Hi everyone:

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> Thanks for the responses. Just for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've

been off and on SCD for a few years now. I know it works. But all of the

cooking and preparation is frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a

wife. :)) No offence ladies.

Maybe you could hire someone locally to

help you with cooking? It might be less

stressful, if it is in your budget.

Mara

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> Hi everyone:

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> Thanks for the responses. Just for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've

been off and on SCD for a few years now. I know it works. But all of the

cooking and preparation is frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a

wife. :)) No offence ladies.

Maybe you could hire someone locally to

help you with cooking? It might be less

stressful, if it is in your budget.

Mara

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At 05:09 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Thanks for the responses. Just

for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

ladies.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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At 05:09 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Thanks for the responses. Just

for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

ladies.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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i think everyone thinks that way until you look back and pouf 2 years have gone

by and you're better (most of the time) LOL and so you love your scd life -minus

the cooking LOL - but the thought of going back isn't really there anymore and

I'd go back to sugar so I'm just asking for trouble if I do - as I'm still

filled with yeast on the candida scd diet!!

one taste woud make me want more, so since most often i don't want it - and

don't think about it -I don't when that will be - would like to recieve

communion (just the wine) at Mass someday though :-(

eileen

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> > By cured I mean gone back to a starchy ( " normal " ) diet without

> recurrence of symptoms. Any first-hand experiences?

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i think everyone thinks that way until you look back and pouf 2 years have gone

by and you're better (most of the time) LOL and so you love your scd life -minus

the cooking LOL - but the thought of going back isn't really there anymore and

I'd go back to sugar so I'm just asking for trouble if I do - as I'm still

filled with yeast on the candida scd diet!!

one taste woud make me want more, so since most often i don't want it - and

don't think about it -I don't when that will be - would like to recieve

communion (just the wine) at Mass someday though :-(

eileen

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> > By cured I mean gone back to a starchy ( " normal " ) diet without

> recurrence of symptoms. Any first-hand experiences?

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I was going to do that and I got quoted 50 dollars an hour! Where do you find personal chef's??-UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 5 pills a dayTo: BTVC-SCD From: LouisianaSCDLagniappe@...Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:58:09 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Had anybody ever been cured using SCD?

At 05:09 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Thanks for the responses. Just

for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

ladies.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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I was going to do that and I got quoted 50 dollars an hour! Where do you find personal chef's??-UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 5 pills a dayTo: BTVC-SCD From: LouisianaSCDLagniappe@...Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:58:09 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Had anybody ever been cured using SCD?

At 05:09 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Thanks for the responses. Just

for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

ladies.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Do you have a culinary school in the area? Post a sign there and I'm sure

you'll get a lot of responses from students who would be willing to

cook for a LOT less than that!

I hope you're feeling better.

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> for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

> few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

> frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

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> Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

> Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

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Do you have a culinary school in the area? Post a sign there and I'm sure

you'll get a lot of responses from students who would be willing to

cook for a LOT less than that!

I hope you're feeling better.

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> Thanks for the responses. Just

> for information's sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

> few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

> frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

> ladies.

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> Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

> Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

> diet.

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> Marilyn

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> New

> Orleans, Louisiana, USA

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> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

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> Darn Good SCD Cook

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> No Human Children

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> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Another idea might be to hire a high school or college kid to be

kitchen help, rather than a chef. They could wash, chop, etc, and

keep dishes cleaned up and even maybe cook under your direction. It

wouldn't be as good as a chef you could leave to his own devices

mostly, but it would be quite a bit of help and a lot cheaper.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

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Another idea might be to hire a high school or college kid to be

kitchen help, rather than a chef. They could wash, chop, etc, and

keep dishes cleaned up and even maybe cook under your direction. It

wouldn't be as good as a chef you could leave to his own devices

mostly, but it would be quite a bit of help and a lot cheaper.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

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,Do you have a university near by that has a hotel and restaurant management college? If so, try advertising there.AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: btvc-scd Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 1:36:38 AMSubject: RE:

Re: Had anybody ever been cured using SCD?

I was going to do that and I got quoted 50 dollars an hour! Where do you find personal chef's??-UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 5 pills a dayTo: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comFrom: LouisianaSCDLagniap pe (AT) gmail (DOT) comDate: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:58:09 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Had anybody ever been cured using SCD?

At 05:09 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Thanks for the responses. Just

for information' s sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

ladies.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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,Do you have a university near by that has a hotel and restaurant management college? If so, try advertising there.AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: btvc-scd Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 1:36:38 AMSubject: RE:

Re: Had anybody ever been cured using SCD?

I was going to do that and I got quoted 50 dollars an hour! Where do you find personal chef's??-UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 5 pills a dayTo: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comFrom: LouisianaSCDLagniap pe (AT) gmail (DOT) comDate: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:58:09 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Had anybody ever been cured using SCD?

At 05:09 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Thanks for the responses. Just

for information' s sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD for a

few years now. I know it works. But all of the cooking and preparation is

frustrating. I'm a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence

ladies.

Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to prepare meals for you.

Less expensive than eating out. Gives you the ability to stay on the

diet.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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I found SCD about 14 years ago after being diagnosed with Crohns and followed it religiously for about 6-7years, long after all my symptoms disappeared. I kept on it when I felt like hell, because there were no other options out there besides such awful meds. It turned out that I had Crohns under control earlier than I thought because the meds had severe side effects that mimiced the disease. This focus on when one can resume illegal foods is counterproductive. Why waste your time thinking about rewarding your recovery with things that have poisoned you over the years? Why not spend your time envisioning the healthy person you will become with adherence to SCD whenever you feel deprived ?

I admit I am not on SCD completely now, but it is always in my mind when I allow illegals into my diet and I feel GUILTY. I signed up on the list again just to keep myself focused on healthy eating.

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At 08:34 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

In BTVC, Elaine at the end of Ch. 9 says there may be a time (after say 1 or 2 years strictly on the diet) where you can reintroduce forbidden foods one at a time. So my question is simple, has anybody actually ever reached this stage of being able to bring back illegal foods into their diet???Yes. Elaine's daughter did, although she chooses to eat about 80-90% SCD.Yes. My niece did, after 2-3 years, although she eats gluten-free, and tries to keep the starch to a minimum.Yes. The lady who was my mentor did, after several years.Yes. Lots of people, who are now no longer on an SCD list because either (a) they have SCD down pat and have gotten on with their lives because IBD no longer rules their existence, or, (B) they have SCD down pat, have been able to add a few non-SCD foods back into their menus, and have gotten on with their lives because IBD no longer rules their existence.Me? I have SCD down pat, but I stay to teach. (And I'm tremendously grateful to our other long time people who help. And sometimes have better answers than I do!)

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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I found SCD about 14 years ago after being diagnosed with Crohns and followed it religiously for about 6-7years, long after all my symptoms disappeared. I kept on it when I felt like hell, because there were no other options out there besides such awful meds. It turned out that I had Crohns under control earlier than I thought because the meds had severe side effects that mimiced the disease. This focus on when one can resume illegal foods is counterproductive. Why waste your time thinking about rewarding your recovery with things that have poisoned you over the years? Why not spend your time envisioning the healthy person you will become with adherence to SCD whenever you feel deprived ?

I admit I am not on SCD completely now, but it is always in my mind when I allow illegals into my diet and I feel GUILTY. I signed up on the list again just to keep myself focused on healthy eating.

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At 08:34 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

In BTVC, Elaine at the end of Ch. 9 says there may be a time (after say 1 or 2 years strictly on the diet) where you can reintroduce forbidden foods one at a time. So my question is simple, has anybody actually ever reached this stage of being able to bring back illegal foods into their diet???Yes. Elaine's daughter did, although she chooses to eat about 80-90% SCD.Yes. My niece did, after 2-3 years, although she eats gluten-free, and tries to keep the starch to a minimum.Yes. The lady who was my mentor did, after several years.Yes. Lots of people, who are now no longer on an SCD list because either (a) they have SCD down pat and have gotten on with their lives because IBD no longer rules their existence, or, (B) they have SCD down pat, have been able to add a few non-SCD foods back into their menus, and have gotten on with their lives because IBD no longer rules their existence.Me? I have SCD down pat, but I stay to teach. (And I'm tremendously grateful to our other long time people who help. And sometimes have better answers than I do!)

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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I did hire a personal chef. She shopped for the groceries, spent 6 hours

cooking, and left me with 10 SCD meals (each for a family of 4)in the freezer.

It did cost me $300 for her time, but when I think of food as medicine, it made

me feel better about the expense. I like cooking, but I was feeling overwhelmed,

and this will give me some breathing room.

Calypso

> >Thanks for the responses. Just for information's

> >sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD

> >for a few years now. I know it works. But all of

> >the cooking and preparation is frustrating. I'm

> >a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence ladies.

>

> Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to

> prepare meals for you. Less expensive than eating

> out. Gives you the ability to stay on the diet.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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I did hire a personal chef. She shopped for the groceries, spent 6 hours

cooking, and left me with 10 SCD meals (each for a family of 4)in the freezer.

It did cost me $300 for her time, but when I think of food as medicine, it made

me feel better about the expense. I like cooking, but I was feeling overwhelmed,

and this will give me some breathing room.

Calypso

> >Thanks for the responses. Just for information's

> >sake, I'm not a newbie, I've been off and on SCD

> >for a few years now. I know it works. But all of

> >the cooking and preparation is frustrating. I'm

> >a single guy. Boy do I need a wife. :)) No offence ladies.

>

> Consider the thought of hiring a personal chef to

> prepare meals for you. Less expensive than eating

> out. Gives you the ability to stay on the diet.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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I can't speak for others but I know that I probably would not have been able to

start the diet if I didn't originally think that I would eventually be able to

eat normally again. Having such a dramatic change in diet can be somewhat

traumatizing for people. And switching your diet literally overnight while

saying, " well, that's it. Remember all the stuff you love; all that stuff you

could eat yesterday? You're never going to be able to eat it ever again " isn't

going to help you stay strictly SCD. I think that it can actually be pretty

healthy to " envision the healthy person you will become with adherence to SCD "

so that you can be healthy enough to, for example, do something like be able to

go out with friends to dim sum every once in a while. I don't think I'll ever

go back to eating SAD again but I would give anything to be able to go out to

eat every once in a while with friends or add cacao back (they make this amazing

organic, pure cacao/honey drink in the Philippines that I have all the

ingredients and equipment for but am unable to use) occasionally.

I can't go 1 month without symptoms and I've been strict, strict, strictly SCD

for 4 years. It's depressing sometimes. I'm not planning on giving up but what

helps me stay strict actually is that hope that I'll be able to eat something

else some day. So I disagree, it's not counterproductive, it's inspiring. And

it's human nature. *Dwelling* on what you can't have and letting it depress you

is counterproductive. Some people are lucky, they don't crave it anymore. For

some people the smell disgusts them. That has never happened with me and I

suspect I'm not the only one.

:)

Stacey

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> This focus on when one can resume illegal foods is counterproductive. Why

waste your time thinking about rewarding your recovery with things that have

poisoned you over the years? Why not spend your time envisioning the healthy

person you will become with adherence to SCD whenever you feel deprived ?

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I can't speak for others but I know that I probably would not have been able to

start the diet if I didn't originally think that I would eventually be able to

eat normally again. Having such a dramatic change in diet can be somewhat

traumatizing for people. And switching your diet literally overnight while

saying, " well, that's it. Remember all the stuff you love; all that stuff you

could eat yesterday? You're never going to be able to eat it ever again " isn't

going to help you stay strictly SCD. I think that it can actually be pretty

healthy to " envision the healthy person you will become with adherence to SCD "

so that you can be healthy enough to, for example, do something like be able to

go out with friends to dim sum every once in a while. I don't think I'll ever

go back to eating SAD again but I would give anything to be able to go out to

eat every once in a while with friends or add cacao back (they make this amazing

organic, pure cacao/honey drink in the Philippines that I have all the

ingredients and equipment for but am unable to use) occasionally.

I can't go 1 month without symptoms and I've been strict, strict, strictly SCD

for 4 years. It's depressing sometimes. I'm not planning on giving up but what

helps me stay strict actually is that hope that I'll be able to eat something

else some day. So I disagree, it's not counterproductive, it's inspiring. And

it's human nature. *Dwelling* on what you can't have and letting it depress you

is counterproductive. Some people are lucky, they don't crave it anymore. For

some people the smell disgusts them. That has never happened with me and I

suspect I'm not the only one.

:)

Stacey

>

> This focus on when one can resume illegal foods is counterproductive. Why

waste your time thinking about rewarding your recovery with things that have

poisoned you over the years? Why not spend your time envisioning the healthy

person you will become with adherence to SCD whenever you feel deprived ?

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Pre SCD, my triglycerides were 162. After 10 months of SCD, they were 82. I'm

not even super low carb (I probably average 110 grams of carbs a day). My total

cholesterol is 268 (285 pre-SCD), HDL is 76 (61 pre-SCD) and my LDL is 176 (192

pre-SCD). Just goes to show how bad the SAD diet was for me.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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Carbs make for higher triglyceride values in the blood, too- and trigs are more

closely correlated with heart disease than cholesterol. (Cholesterol is not your

enemy. Embrace it. Eat an egg, please.)

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Pre SCD, my triglycerides were 162. After 10 months of SCD, they were 82. I'm

not even super low carb (I probably average 110 grams of carbs a day). My total

cholesterol is 268 (285 pre-SCD), HDL is 76 (61 pre-SCD) and my LDL is 176 (192

pre-SCD). Just goes to show how bad the SAD diet was for me.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

Carbs make for higher triglyceride values in the blood, too- and trigs are more

closely correlated with heart disease than cholesterol. (Cholesterol is not your

enemy. Embrace it. Eat an egg, please.)

>

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I think this is a great question for lots of reasons. I was under the

impression that " lots " of people fully recovered after several years of SCD, and

by recovered I mean, go back to SAD.

I have all of my kids on SCD, two who really, really need it since they have had

digestive isues from birth. But I wonder often if they will be able to tolerate

going out to eat with friends as teeenagers, etc.

I also wonder WHY...what is the root cause of these digestive disorders. Yes, I

understand genetics play an enormous role ( you should see my kids, the two with

digestive problems look so much alike!)...but are there other fundamental

problems...mineral defidiencies, microbial changes in the environement, GMO's,

metals, etc.?

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> > I appreciate the comment on cholesterol. I am one of those people who has

high good cholesterol. It's been that way since I was young. I feel blessed, but

my total cholesterol number always gets attention.

> > After reading Good Calories, Bad Calories, Life Without Bread, and others, I

feel we are on the wrong path with cholesterol. It's high carbs that got our

country in this mess.

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> If you are unafraid of cholesterol, then I recommend the Ultimate Snack Food

for SCD'ers: pemmican. You take meat, and dry it- no higher than 120F so as to

keep the vitamin C intact (yes, there's some vitamin C in meat). Take it to

complete dryness, then powder it in the blender.

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> Then you take fat scraps- the butcher store saves them for me- and render

them. Mix the fat with the powdered meat, 50/50 mix by weight, and let it cool.

3/4 of a pound of the stuff is enough for most people for an entire day.

>

> http://www.traditionaltx.us/images/PEMMICAN.pdf

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> The taste takes a little getting used to, but it's very good, very nutritious-

and completely SCD compatible.

>

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I think this is a great question for lots of reasons. I was under the

impression that " lots " of people fully recovered after several years of SCD, and

by recovered I mean, go back to SAD.

I have all of my kids on SCD, two who really, really need it since they have had

digestive isues from birth. But I wonder often if they will be able to tolerate

going out to eat with friends as teeenagers, etc.

I also wonder WHY...what is the root cause of these digestive disorders. Yes, I

understand genetics play an enormous role ( you should see my kids, the two with

digestive problems look so much alike!)...but are there other fundamental

problems...mineral defidiencies, microbial changes in the environement, GMO's,

metals, etc.?

> >

> > amen!!!!

> >

> > I appreciate the comment on cholesterol. I am one of those people who has

high good cholesterol. It's been that way since I was young. I feel blessed, but

my total cholesterol number always gets attention.

> > After reading Good Calories, Bad Calories, Life Without Bread, and others, I

feel we are on the wrong path with cholesterol. It's high carbs that got our

country in this mess.

>

> If you are unafraid of cholesterol, then I recommend the Ultimate Snack Food

for SCD'ers: pemmican. You take meat, and dry it- no higher than 120F so as to

keep the vitamin C intact (yes, there's some vitamin C in meat). Take it to

complete dryness, then powder it in the blender.

>

> Then you take fat scraps- the butcher store saves them for me- and render

them. Mix the fat with the powdered meat, 50/50 mix by weight, and let it cool.

3/4 of a pound of the stuff is enough for most people for an entire day.

>

> http://www.traditionaltx.us/images/PEMMICAN.pdf

>

> The taste takes a little getting used to, but it's very good, very nutritious-

and completely SCD compatible.

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I have all of my kids on SCD, two who really, really need it since they have had digestive isues from birth.Just curious: were your two kids who have had digestive issues from birth natural birth or C-section? I was C-section, and I read somewhere that the baby first encounters beneficial bacteria during birth through the mother's vagina. So C-section babies might already be lacking in the good guys, leaving the baddies room to take over. I had colic as a baby, I guess a sign of things to come and possibly as a result of not being natural birth.. can never be sure though! It all seems very connected. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

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