Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Don't some people think Crohn's could be from drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine. I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm the only one so have to make cow ;-). debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 At 03:46 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote: Don't some people think Crohn's could be from drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine. One theory is that it's from MAP. Elaine's primary concern was that we not introduce wild bacteria into our guts while we are healing. I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm the only one so have to make cow ;-). I like both cow and goat yogurt. I frequently use goat yogurt in recipes that call for buttermilk. Strangely, while I absolutely must sweeten cow yogurt, I can drink goat yogurt (which is WAY more tart) straight up. Go figure. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 At 03:46 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote: Don't some people think Crohn's could be from drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine. One theory is that it's from MAP. Elaine's primary concern was that we not introduce wild bacteria into our guts while we are healing. I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm the only one so have to make cow ;-). I like both cow and goat yogurt. I frequently use goat yogurt in recipes that call for buttermilk. Strangely, while I absolutely must sweeten cow yogurt, I can drink goat yogurt (which is WAY more tart) straight up. Go figure. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Harmony, the one time I experimented with making yogurt from raw unheated cow's milk I was sick for weeks. You have to figure that whatever stray bacteria might be in it are going to multiply when you ferment it for 24 hours. I still might try using raw milk (I only use goat's milk now) for yogurt but I definitely would heat it to 180 first, and, as you said, that would probably defeat the purpose of using raw. Debbie T (UC 29 yrs, SCD10/06, Lialda) > > thanks, Marilyn. > yep I re-read and discovered that I didn't overheat the milk. > I have been careful to get pastured cow's milk but didn't even think > of it for the goat milk. There was only one kind available at Trader > Joe's where I bought it, and I don't think it was pastured. I'll look > into that now. Whole foods carries a Goat Milk that I believe is > pastured. > > I bought some raw milk now to try. I understand that just > pasteurization can alter the casein protein molecule so much that it > can be hard(er) to digest. I've read that yogurt can be made with raw > milk (keeping it essentially raw) by heating it only to 110 degrees. > This does have the drawback of not killing the bacteria that is > native to the raw milk, so my starter would have to compete with, and > win out over that. The other possibility is to heat to 180 as usual, > but I think that would defeat the purpose of using raw? > > Anyway, has anyone played around with low temp raw milk yogurt > making? Results? > > Meantime, I guess I can look for pastured Goat milk and see if I get > a yogurt result that I can eat. > > ahhhhhhh the yogurt blues. > > harmony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Harmony, the one time I experimented with making yogurt from raw unheated cow's milk I was sick for weeks. You have to figure that whatever stray bacteria might be in it are going to multiply when you ferment it for 24 hours. I still might try using raw milk (I only use goat's milk now) for yogurt but I definitely would heat it to 180 first, and, as you said, that would probably defeat the purpose of using raw. Debbie T (UC 29 yrs, SCD10/06, Lialda) > > thanks, Marilyn. > yep I re-read and discovered that I didn't overheat the milk. > I have been careful to get pastured cow's milk but didn't even think > of it for the goat milk. There was only one kind available at Trader > Joe's where I bought it, and I don't think it was pastured. I'll look > into that now. Whole foods carries a Goat Milk that I believe is > pastured. > > I bought some raw milk now to try. I understand that just > pasteurization can alter the casein protein molecule so much that it > can be hard(er) to digest. I've read that yogurt can be made with raw > milk (keeping it essentially raw) by heating it only to 110 degrees. > This does have the drawback of not killing the bacteria that is > native to the raw milk, so my starter would have to compete with, and > win out over that. The other possibility is to heat to 180 as usual, > but I think that would defeat the purpose of using raw? > > Anyway, has anyone played around with low temp raw milk yogurt > making? Results? > > Meantime, I guess I can look for pastured Goat milk and see if I get > a yogurt result that I can eat. > > ahhhhhhh the yogurt blues. > > harmony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Speaking of MAP - there's a guy on another board who's giving out lots of information about how there's a new MAP vaccine that's being tested now. Anyone else hear about it? I'm not entirely sure what I think about it (especially given that I have UC, not Crohn's). Stacey > >Don't some people think Crohn's could be from > >drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now > >but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine. > > > > One theory is that it's from MAP. Elaine's > primary concern was that we not introduce wild > bacteria into our guts while we are healing. > > >I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm > >the only one so have to make cow ;-). > > I like both cow and goat yogurt. I frequently use > goat yogurt in recipes that call for buttermilk. > > Strangely, while I absolutely must sweeten cow > yogurt, I can drink goat yogurt (which is WAY > more tart) straight up. Go figure. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Speaking of MAP - there's a guy on another board who's giving out lots of information about how there's a new MAP vaccine that's being tested now. Anyone else hear about it? I'm not entirely sure what I think about it (especially given that I have UC, not Crohn's). Stacey > >Don't some people think Crohn's could be from > >drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now > >but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine. > > > > One theory is that it's from MAP. Elaine's > primary concern was that we not introduce wild > bacteria into our guts while we are healing. > > >I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm > >the only one so have to make cow ;-). > > I like both cow and goat yogurt. I frequently use > goat yogurt in recipes that call for buttermilk. > > Strangely, while I absolutely must sweeten cow > yogurt, I can drink goat yogurt (which is WAY > more tart) straight up. Go figure. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 > Speaking of MAP - there's a guy on another board who's giving out lots > of information about how there's a new MAP vaccine that's being tested > now. Anyone else hear about it? I'm not entirely sure what I think > about it (especially given that I have UC, not Crohn's).> StaceyThe problem is (re: Crohn's, anyway) that there's no definitive proof that MAP causes it. I suppose one could try the vaccine anyway, and hope it might help. But it's definitely not a sure thing.n>> >> >Don't some people think Crohn's could be from>> >drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now>> >but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine.>> >>>>> One theory is that it's from MAP. Elaine's>> primary concern was that we not introduce wild>> bacteria into our guts while we are healing.>>>> >I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm>> >the only one so have to make cow ;-).>>>> I like both cow and goat yogurt. I frequently use>> goat yogurt in recipes that call for buttermilk.>>>> Strangely, while I absolutely must sweeten cow>> yogurt, I can drink goat yogurt (which is WAY>> more tart) straight up. Go figure.>>>>>> — Marilyn>> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA>> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001>> Darn Good SCD Cook>> No Human Children>> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund>>>>-- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 > Speaking of MAP - there's a guy on another board who's giving out lots > of information about how there's a new MAP vaccine that's being tested > now. Anyone else hear about it? I'm not entirely sure what I think > about it (especially given that I have UC, not Crohn's).> StaceyThe problem is (re: Crohn's, anyway) that there's no definitive proof that MAP causes it. I suppose one could try the vaccine anyway, and hope it might help. But it's definitely not a sure thing.n>> >> >Don't some people think Crohn's could be from>> >drinking raw milk? Not sure I'd drink it now>> >but I loved it as a kid. My brother too and he's fine.>> >>>>> One theory is that it's from MAP. Elaine's>> primary concern was that we not introduce wild>> bacteria into our guts while we are healing.>>>> >I love the goat yogurt for some reason but I'm>> >the only one so have to make cow ;-).>>>> I like both cow and goat yogurt. I frequently use>> goat yogurt in recipes that call for buttermilk.>>>> Strangely, while I absolutely must sweeten cow>> yogurt, I can drink goat yogurt (which is WAY>> more tart) straight up. Go figure.>>>>>> — Marilyn>> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA>> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001>> Darn Good SCD Cook>> No Human Children>> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund>>>>-- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I've never heard of the vaccine, is it a clinical trial? Of course, just about everyone in my family has had fresh milk growing up (nothing better) and I'm the only one dx'd and/or with Crohn's symptoms. I have read something has to trigger it though. I'd probably take the vaccine just in case ;-). > Speaking of MAP - there's a guy on another board who's giving out lots > of information about how there's a new MAP vaccine that's being tested > now. Anyone else hear about it? I'm not entirely sure what I think > about it (especially given that I have UC, not Crohn's).> Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I've never heard of the vaccine, is it a clinical trial? Of course, just about everyone in my family has had fresh milk growing up (nothing better) and I'm the only one dx'd and/or with Crohn's symptoms. I have read something has to trigger it though. I'd probably take the vaccine just in case ;-). > Speaking of MAP - there's a guy on another board who's giving out lots > of information about how there's a new MAP vaccine that's being tested > now. Anyone else hear about it? I'm not entirely sure what I think > about it (especially given that I have UC, not Crohn's).> Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 The guy who mentioned this (and is very excited, and clearly certain it will work) cited these two websites: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0001229#pone.000122\ 9-Huntley1 and http://beehive.courier.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome & ID=9337 & PageID=83565 I'm not holding out any hope that it will work but wouldn't it be nice to completely get rid of these horrible diseases. Stacey > > The problem is (re: Crohn's, anyway) that there's no definitive proof that > MAP causes it. I suppose one could try the vaccine anyway, and hope it > might help. But it's definitely not a sure thing. > > n > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 The guy who mentioned this (and is very excited, and clearly certain it will work) cited these two websites: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0001229#pone.000122\ 9-Huntley1 and http://beehive.courier.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome & ID=9337 & PageID=83565 I'm not holding out any hope that it will work but wouldn't it be nice to completely get rid of these horrible diseases. Stacey > > The problem is (re: Crohn's, anyway) that there's no definitive proof that > MAP causes it. I suppose one could try the vaccine anyway, and hope it > might help. But it's definitely not a sure thing. > > n > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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