Re: I need some NACD moms to hold my hand

[Guest guest]

Hi Stephanee

I was just wondering if there is any duplication of the programs. Could you

possibly make any part of it something they do together. I know it is pricey to

buy another listening program, but if they could interpret it as something

" they " do rather than somthing " I " do, perhaps you might get more cooperation.

Hope things get better for you.

Sharon

Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

I would suggest that you locate a kids gym class or 'something' like that, put

one in the class and work with the other and vice versa. This is a very hard

time of year as our children really are stir crazy and long for the outdoors.

Possibly, get the child providing the distraction absorbed in a TV show for 1/2

hour that she really, really " likes " (something educational?) possibly with the

headphones on (connected to the TV) instead of an item that she wants to get out

of? Or get a second pair of headphones and have them do TLP at the same time (on

different discs) with you playing hall monitor to ensure that they do not get

into distracting one another.

At some point, you need to get compliance and agreeement; we often use a reward

system just as do 'such and such' elements of program and we will all go to the

park or we will take the dog for a walk, or we will play a game. Mark is pretty

easy.... one month of great compliance equals a new video game. A younger child

needs a more immediate reward system.

Your girls are 'playing' you and you know it! They've figured out how to get

around you (and out of program) and you are now the 'sucker'! (Showing their

incredible intelligence and wit....) Try to get their tacit agreement... bribery

does work! (I am certainly not above it) I don't need it anymore as Mark is very

aware that he NEEDS program and that it is making life better for him on all

fronts.

Believe me, at 13 and 15, we have trouble sometimes. My older daugher just has

this 'knack' of interupting program time and Mark just LOVES to be distracted by

her! Of course, I basicly verbally chase her out of the room so that she gives

us some peace during program time which inevitably makes both the kids openly

laugh at me and my consternation!

Anyway, those are some quick and dirty suggestions. I will ponder your dilema

further and if I come up with anything new, I'll let you know.

Janice

[sPAM][ ] I need some NACD moms to hold my hand

Ok NACD moms on this wonderful list, I need some hand holding, back

patting and consoling noises from you all.

I'm trying to do program with 2 children (5 yr old ADD and 6 yr old

PDD). They are home with mommy during the day. My problem is that I

can't focus and do program with one child while the other one is free

to do whatever.

Scenario #1

Technically, I have one doing The Listening Program (TLP) and I'm

working with the other one. The TLP kid will yell from the other

room " I'm done! " while I know it isn't true as it has only been 2-3

minutes since I got them set up. When I go check on the TLP kid, the

other one wanders off and plays with the kitten, or whatever. I go get

that one back to wherever we were working, and by that time, TLP kid

really is done.

Scenario #2

Digit spans/Auditory Object Sequence...Ok child #1, 3,5,2,7......child

#2 jumps in and repeats and child #1 stops talking. OR, they both

say " no! " and give me totally different digits or nothing at all. Or,

they argue with each other " it's my turn! "

I've tried them together and seperately, and I'm not finding my pace.

I can get the physical stuff done ie. hopping on 1 foot, cross march,

tug of war. I can't seem to get all the other programs done

effectively. I also get complete shut down when I've got the other one

occupied. It is almost as if they are sick of me...they're with me

almost constantly.

Hubby doing program is not an option - he's working 12-14 hour days and

isn't here to do it.

NACD suggests hiring help or using family. I don't have any family in

town.

I've had the WORST luck in hiring someone to help. They either don't

show for the interview (I'm glad I didn't hold my breath), lie about

their qualifications (Them: I love children! Me: what have you done in

the past with little kids? Them: Well, I haven't actually worked with

any little kids, but I think they like me. Me: Goodbye.), or they work

3 days and quit (Them: Wow - I don't think I'm the right person for the

job. Me: No kidding). I actually had a girl ask the kids " do you want

to hop on one foot? " The kids looked up and said " no " . Her

response? " ok " .

OK, I'm done whining. Just to let you know, I ran our home based ABA

program for 18 months and managed to average 36-40 hrs/wk. I was

nursing a newborn and had 3 kids under 2yrs old in the house. I'm not

a wimp but am in over my head right now.

Any suggestions as to how you all get multi-kid program done will be

greatly appreciated.

Stephanee

[Guest guest]

I would suggest that you locate a kids gym class or 'something' like that, put

one in the class and work with the other and vice versa. This is a very hard

time of year as our children really are stir crazy and long for the outdoors.

Possibly, get the child providing the distraction absorbed in a TV show for 1/2

hour that she really, really " likes " (something educational?) possibly with the

headphones on (connected to the TV) instead of an item that she wants to get out

of? Or get a second pair of headphones and have them do TLP at the same time

(on different discs) with you playing hall monitor to ensure that they do not

get into distracting one another.

At some point, you need to get compliance and agreeement; we often use a reward

system just as do 'such and such' elements of program and we will all go to the

park or we will take the dog for a walk, or we will play a game. Mark is pretty

easy.... one month of great compliance equals a new video game. A younger child

needs a more immediate reward system.

Your girls are 'playing' you and you know it! They've figured out how to get

around you (and out of program) and you are now the 'sucker'! (Showing their

incredible intelligence and wit....) Try to get their tacit agreement...

bribery does work! (I am certainly not above it) I don't need it anymore as

Mark is very aware that he NEEDS program and that it is making life better for

him on all fronts.

Believe me, at 13 and 15, we have trouble sometimes. My older daugher just has

this 'knack' of interupting program time and Mark just LOVES to be distracted by

her! Of course, I basicly verbally chase her out of the room so that she gives

us some peace during program time which inevitably makes both the kids openly

laugh at me and my consternation!

Anyway, those are some quick and dirty suggestions. I will ponder your dilema

further and if I come up with anything new, I'll let you know.

Janice

[sPAM][ ] I need some NACD moms to hold my hand

Ok NACD moms on this wonderful list, I need some hand holding, back

patting and consoling noises from you all.

I'm trying to do program with 2 children (5 yr old ADD and 6 yr old

PDD). They are home with mommy during the day. My problem is that I

can't focus and do program with one child while the other one is free

to do whatever.

Scenario #1

Technically, I have one doing The Listening Program (TLP) and I'm

working with the other one. The TLP kid will yell from the other

room " I'm done! " while I know it isn't true as it has only been 2-3

minutes since I got them set up. When I go check on the TLP kid, the

other one wanders off and plays with the kitten, or whatever. I go get

that one back to wherever we were working, and by that time, TLP kid

really is done.

Scenario #2

Digit spans/Auditory Object Sequence...Ok child #1, 3,5,2,7......child

#2 jumps in and repeats and child #1 stops talking. OR, they both

say " no! " and give me totally different digits or nothing at all. Or,

they argue with each other " it's my turn! "

I've tried them together and seperately, and I'm not finding my pace.

I can get the physical stuff done ie. hopping on 1 foot, cross march,

tug of war. I can't seem to get all the other programs done

effectively. I also get complete shut down when I've got the other one

occupied. It is almost as if they are sick of me...they're with me

almost constantly.

Hubby doing program is not an option - he's working 12-14 hour days and

isn't here to do it.

NACD suggests hiring help or using family. I don't have any family in

town.

I've had the WORST luck in hiring someone to help. They either don't

show for the interview (I'm glad I didn't hold my breath), lie about

their qualifications (Them: I love children! Me: what have you done in

the past with little kids? Them: Well, I haven't actually worked with

any little kids, but I think they like me. Me: Goodbye.), or they work

3 days and quit (Them: Wow - I don't think I'm the right person for the

job. Me: No kidding). I actually had a girl ask the kids " do you want

to hop on one foot? " The kids looked up and said " no " . Her

response? " ok " .

OK, I'm done whining. Just to let you know, I ran our home based ABA

program for 18 months and managed to average 36-40 hrs/wk. I was

nursing a newborn and had 3 kids under 2yrs old in the house. I'm not

a wimp but am in over my head right now.

Any suggestions as to how you all get multi-kid program done will be

greatly appreciated.

Stephanee

[Guest guest]

Stephanee, You are definitely not whining!! This is probably the

most challenging time of life!! We hired a high school girl for 2

hours after school each day when my older three were young. She

could take the distractor out of the loop and let me work with

whoever else had 'work' to do. --Divide and conquer!!

It cost us only a few dollars per hour, signed that she did community

service for HS hours, and wrote college and work recommendations for

her. Its 9 years later, now she is a teacher for children on the

spectrum. I found help, and she found a career. Somewhere out there

is someone who needs you as much as you need them.

>

>

>

> I would suggest that you locate a kids gym class or 'something'

like that, put one in the class and work with the other and vice

versa. This is a very hard time of year as our children really are

stir crazy and long for the outdoors.

>

> Possibly, get the child providing the distraction absorbed in a TV

show for 1/2 hour that she really, really " likes " (something

educational?) possibly with the headphones on (connected to the TV)

instead of an item that she wants to get out of? Or get a second

pair of headphones and have them do TLP at the same time (on

different discs) with you playing hall monitor to ensure that they do

not get into distracting one another.

>

> At some point, you need to get compliance and agreeement; we often

use a reward system just as do 'such and such' elements of program

and we will all go to the park or we will take the dog for a walk, or

we will play a game. Mark is pretty easy.... one month of great

compliance equals a new video game. A younger child needs a more

immediate reward system.

>

> Your girls are 'playing' you and you know it! They've figured out

how to get around you (and out of program) and you are now

the 'sucker'! (Showing their incredible intelligence and wit....)

Try to get their tacit agreement... bribery does work! (I am

certainly not above it) I don't need it anymore as Mark is very

aware that he NEEDS program and that it is making life better for him

on all fronts.

>

> Believe me, at 13 and 15, we have trouble sometimes. My older

daugher just has this 'knack' of interupting program time and Mark

just LOVES to be distracted by her! Of course, I basicly verbally

chase her out of the room so that she gives us some peace during

program time which inevitably makes both the kids openly laugh at me

and my consternation!

>

> Anyway, those are some quick and dirty suggestions. I will ponder

your dilema further and if I come up with anything new, I'll let you

know.

>

> Janice

>

>

> [sPAM][ ] I need some NACD moms to

hold my hand

>

>

> Ok NACD moms on this wonderful list, I need some hand holding,

back

> patting and consoling noises from you all.

>

> I'm trying to do program with 2 children (5 yr old ADD and 6 yr

old

> PDD). They are home with mommy during the day. My problem is that

I

> can't focus and do program with one child while the other one is

free

> to do whatever.

> Scenario #1

> Technically, I have one doing The Listening Program (TLP) and I'm

> working with the other one. The TLP kid will yell from the other

> room " I'm done! " while I know it isn't true as it has only been 2-

3

> minutes since I got them set up. When I go check on the TLP kid,

the

> other one wanders off and plays with the kitten, or whatever. I

go get

> that one back to wherever we were working, and by that time, TLP

kid

> really is done.

>

> Scenario #2

> Digit spans/Auditory Object Sequence...Ok child #1,

3,5,2,7......child

> #2 jumps in and repeats and child #1 stops talking. OR, they both

> say " no! " and give me totally different digits or nothing at all.

Or,

> they argue with each other " it's my turn! "

>

> I've tried them together and seperately, and I'm not finding my

pace.

> I can get the physical stuff done ie. hopping on 1 foot, cross

march,

> tug of war. I can't seem to get all the other programs done

> effectively. I also get complete shut down when I've got the

other one

> occupied. It is almost as if they are sick of me...they're with

me

> almost constantly.

>

> Hubby doing program is not an option - he's working 12-14 hour

days and

> isn't here to do it.

>

> NACD suggests hiring help or using family. I don't have any

family in

> town.

>

> I've had the WORST luck in hiring someone to help. They either

don't

> show for the interview (I'm glad I didn't hold my breath), lie

about

> their qualifications (Them: I love children! Me: what have you

done in

> the past with little kids? Them: Well, I haven't actually worked

with

> any little kids, but I think they like me. Me: Goodbye.), or they

work

> 3 days and quit (Them: Wow - I don't think I'm the right person

for the

> job. Me: No kidding). I actually had a girl ask the kids " do you

want

> to hop on one foot? " The kids looked up and said " no " . Her

> response? " ok " .

>

> OK, I'm done whining. Just to let you know, I ran our home based

ABA

> program for 18 months and managed to average 36-40 hrs/wk. I was

> nursing a newborn and had 3 kids under 2yrs old in the house. I'm

not

> a wimp but am in over my head right now.

>

> Any suggestions as to how you all get multi-kid program done will

be

> greatly appreciated.

>

> Stephanee

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How cool are all of you. I am afraid of our eval:)

> >

> >

> >

> > I would suggest that you locate a kids gym class or 'something'

> like that, put one in the class and work with the other and vice

> versa. This is a very hard time of year as our children really are

> stir crazy and long for the outdoors.

> >

> > Possibly, get the child providing the distraction absorbed in a

TV

> show for 1/2 hour that she really, really " likes " (something

> educational?) possibly with the headphones on (connected to the TV)

> instead of an item that she wants to get out of? Or get a second

> pair of headphones and have them do TLP at the same time (on

> different discs) with you playing hall monitor to ensure that they

do

> not get into distracting one another.

> >

> > At some point, you need to get compliance and agreeement; we

often

> use a reward system just as do 'such and such' elements of program

> and we will all go to the park or we will take the dog for a walk,

or

> we will play a game. Mark is pretty easy.... one month of great

> compliance equals a new video game. A younger child needs a more

> immediate reward system.

> >

> > Your girls are 'playing' you and you know it! They've figured

out

> how to get around you (and out of program) and you are now

> the 'sucker'! (Showing their incredible intelligence and wit....)

> Try to get their tacit agreement... bribery does work! (I am

> certainly not above it) I don't need it anymore as Mark is very

> aware that he NEEDS program and that it is making life better for

him

> on all fronts.

> >

> > Believe me, at 13 and 15, we have trouble sometimes. My older

> daugher just has this 'knack' of interupting program time and Mark

> just LOVES to be distracted by her! Of course, I basicly verbally

> chase her out of the room so that she gives us some peace during

> program time which inevitably makes both the kids openly laugh at

me

> and my consternation!

> >

> > Anyway, those are some quick and dirty suggestions. I will

ponder

> your dilema further and if I come up with anything new, I'll let

you

> know.

> >

> > Janice

> >

> >

> > [sPAM][ ] I need some NACD moms to

> hold my hand

> >

> >

> > Ok NACD moms on this wonderful list, I need some hand holding,

> back

> > patting and consoling noises from you all.

> >

> > I'm trying to do program with 2 children (5 yr old ADD and 6 yr

> old

> > PDD). They are home with mommy during the day. My problem is

that

> I

> > can't focus and do program with one child while the other one

is

> free

> > to do whatever.

> > Scenario #1

> > Technically, I have one doing The Listening Program (TLP) and

I'm

> > working with the other one. The TLP kid will yell from the

other

> > room " I'm done! " while I know it isn't true as it has only been

2-

> 3

> > minutes since I got them set up. When I go check on the TLP

kid,

> the

> > other one wanders off and plays with the kitten, or whatever. I

> go get

> > that one back to wherever we were working, and by that time,

TLP

> kid

> > really is done.

> >

> > Scenario #2

> > Digit spans/Auditory Object Sequence...Ok child #1,

> 3,5,2,7......child

> > #2 jumps in and repeats and child #1 stops talking. OR, they

both

> > say " no! " and give me totally different digits or nothing at

all.

> Or,

> > they argue with each other " it's my turn! "

> >

> > I've tried them together and seperately, and I'm not finding my

> pace.

> > I can get the physical stuff done ie. hopping on 1 foot, cross

> march,

> > tug of war. I can't seem to get all the other programs done

> > effectively. I also get complete shut down when I've got the

> other one

> > occupied. It is almost as if they are sick of me...they're with

> me

> > almost constantly.

> >

> > Hubby doing program is not an option - he's working 12-14 hour

> days and

> > isn't here to do it.

> >

> > NACD suggests hiring help or using family. I don't have any

> family in

> > town.

> >

> > I've had the WORST luck in hiring someone to help. They either

> don't

> > show for the interview (I'm glad I didn't hold my breath), lie

> about

> > their qualifications (Them: I love children! Me: what have you

> done in

> > the past with little kids? Them: Well, I haven't actually

worked

> with

> > any little kids, but I think they like me. Me: Goodbye.), or

they

> work

> > 3 days and quit (Them: Wow - I don't think I'm the right person

> for the

> > job. Me: No kidding). I actually had a girl ask the kids " do

you

> want

> > to hop on one foot? " The kids looked up and said " no " . Her

> > response? " ok " .

> >

> > OK, I'm done whining. Just to let you know, I ran our home

based

> ABA

> > program for 18 months and managed to average 36-40 hrs/wk. I

was

> > nursing a newborn and had 3 kids under 2yrs old in the house.

I'm

> not

> > a wimp but am in over my head right now.

> >

> > Any suggestions as to how you all get multi-kid program done

will

> be

> > greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Stephanee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for replying. I'm breathing again and we'll be back

on track soon.

Liz - no worries on the eval - this stuff isn't hard, but it is

repetitive and to a certain degree, boring. Plus, at least in my

house, my kids tend to not be as compliant with the programs that are

hard for them. Catch 22 - the program is 'hard' for them because

this is where they need the most work! Aaarrrgggg.....

I'm still looking for someone to help out but am not making any plans

around such person. The only person I can count on is me...

cheers to ya'll!

Stephanee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would suggest that you locate a kids gym class or 'something'

> > like that, put one in the class and work with the other and vice

> > versa. This is a very hard time of year as our children really

are

> > stir crazy and long for the outdoors.

> > >

> > > Possibly, get the child providing the distraction absorbed in a

> TV

> > show for 1/2 hour that she really, really " likes " (something

> > educational?) possibly with the headphones on (connected to the

TV)

> > instead of an item that she wants to get out of? Or get a second

> > pair of headphones and have them do TLP at the same time (on

> > different discs) with you playing hall monitor to ensure that

they

> do

> > not get into distracting one another.

> > >

> > > At some point, you need to get compliance and agreeement; we

> often

> > use a reward system just as do 'such and such' elements of

program

> > and we will all go to the park or we will take the dog for a

walk,

> or

> > we will play a game. Mark is pretty easy.... one month of great

> > compliance equals a new video game. A younger child needs a more

> > immediate reward system.

> > >

> > > Your girls are 'playing' you and you know it! They've figured

> out

> > how to get around you (and out of program) and you are now

> > the 'sucker'! (Showing their incredible intelligence and

wit....)

> > Try to get their tacit agreement... bribery does work! (I am

> > certainly not above it) I don't need it anymore as Mark is very

> > aware that he NEEDS program and that it is making life better for

> him

> > on all fronts.

> > >

> > > Believe me, at 13 and 15, we have trouble sometimes. My older

> > daugher just has this 'knack' of interupting program time and

Mark

> > just LOVES to be distracted by her! Of course, I basicly

verbally

> > chase her out of the room so that she gives us some peace during

> > program time which inevitably makes both the kids openly laugh at

> me

> > and my consternation!

> > >

> > > Anyway, those are some quick and dirty suggestions. I will

> ponder

> > your dilema further and if I come up with anything new, I'll let

> you

> > know.

> > >

> > > Janice

> > >

> > >

> > > [sPAM][ ] I need some NACD moms to

> > hold my hand

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok NACD moms on this wonderful list, I need some hand

holding,

> > back

> > > patting and consoling noises from you all.

> > >

> > > I'm trying to do program with 2 children (5 yr old ADD and 6

yr

> > old

> > > PDD). They are home with mommy during the day. My problem is

> that

> > I

> > > can't focus and do program with one child while the other one

> is

> > free

> > > to do whatever.

> > > Scenario #1

> > > Technically, I have one doing The Listening Program (TLP) and

> I'm

> > > working with the other one. The TLP kid will yell from the

> other

> > > room " I'm done! " while I know it isn't true as it has only

been

> 2-

> > 3

> > > minutes since I got them set up. When I go check on the TLP

> kid,

> > the

> > > other one wanders off and plays with the kitten, or whatever.

I

> > go get

> > > that one back to wherever we were working, and by that time,

> TLP

> > kid

> > > really is done.

> > >

> > > Scenario #2

> > > Digit spans/Auditory Object Sequence...Ok child #1,

> > 3,5,2,7......child

> > > #2 jumps in and repeats and child #1 stops talking. OR, they

> both

> > > say " no! " and give me totally different digits or nothing at

> all.

> > Or,

> > > they argue with each other " it's my turn! "

> > >

> > > I've tried them together and seperately, and I'm not finding

my

> > pace.

> > > I can get the physical stuff done ie. hopping on 1 foot,

cross

> > march,

> > > tug of war. I can't seem to get all the other programs done

> > > effectively. I also get complete shut down when I've got the

> > other one

> > > occupied. It is almost as if they are sick of me...they're

with

> > me

> > > almost constantly.

> > >

> > > Hubby doing program is not an option - he's working 12-14

hour

> > days and

> > > isn't here to do it.

> > >

> > > NACD suggests hiring help or using family. I don't have any

> > family in

> > > town.

> > >

> > > I've had the WORST luck in hiring someone to help. They

either

> > don't

> > > show for the interview (I'm glad I didn't hold my breath),

lie

> > about

> > > their qualifications (Them: I love children! Me: what have

you

> > done in

> > > the past with little kids? Them: Well, I haven't actually

> worked

> > with

> > > any little kids, but I think they like me. Me: Goodbye.), or

> they

> > work

> > > 3 days and quit (Them: Wow - I don't think I'm the right

person

> > for the

> > > job. Me: No kidding). I actually had a girl ask the kids " do

> you

> > want

> > > to hop on one foot? " The kids looked up and said " no " . Her

> > > response? " ok " .

> > >

> > > OK, I'm done whining. Just to let you know, I ran our home

> based

> > ABA

> > > program for 18 months and managed to average 36-40 hrs/wk. I

> was

> > > nursing a newborn and had 3 kids under 2yrs old in the house.

> I'm

> > not

> > > a wimp but am in over my head right now.

> > >

> > > Any suggestions as to how you all get multi-kid program done

> will

> > be

> > > greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Stephanee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >