Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?

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Hello,

I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I had

to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't

focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when

I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also

getting better from a flair.

Just did some blood work, and iron levels (except ferretin) are normal. Ferretin

is still low - makes sense if I am still recovering from very extreme anemia (up

from 1/2 hemoglobin I was supposed to have).

My leukocyte count was also still elevated. I just started watching the Food

Matters movie recommended by someone (sorry can't remember who!) a day or so

ago, and they mentioned that when you cook over half your food - not sure if

that is just veggies of meat too! - your body treats the incoming food as an

invasive substance and produces leukocyte white blood cells to attack it.

My thoughts are: am I cooking my food for too long? Will I lose more nutrition

by cooking longer? I still consume the juice/water left over by cooking it down

into the food again. Also, I am avoiding bananas and other high-carb carbs

because I had thrush, and I think I have had candidaitis for at least a few

years pretty severely, though no one would diagnose it. So my raw foods are

limited to avocado at this point.

Do others experienced elevated leukocyte counts on the diet? If so, do they

dwindle on their own after the body starts healing, or does it take the

re-introduction of raw foods later on before they go down?

Thanks everyone! All pieces to the puzzle....

Kat

27

dx UC June 2009

SCD Feb 2010

prednisone 5mg/day, rhodiola rosea, iron and other supplements

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Hello,

I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I had

to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't

focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when

I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also

getting better from a flair.

Just did some blood work, and iron levels (except ferretin) are normal. Ferretin

is still low - makes sense if I am still recovering from very extreme anemia (up

from 1/2 hemoglobin I was supposed to have).

My leukocyte count was also still elevated. I just started watching the Food

Matters movie recommended by someone (sorry can't remember who!) a day or so

ago, and they mentioned that when you cook over half your food - not sure if

that is just veggies of meat too! - your body treats the incoming food as an

invasive substance and produces leukocyte white blood cells to attack it.

My thoughts are: am I cooking my food for too long? Will I lose more nutrition

by cooking longer? I still consume the juice/water left over by cooking it down

into the food again. Also, I am avoiding bananas and other high-carb carbs

because I had thrush, and I think I have had candidaitis for at least a few

years pretty severely, though no one would diagnose it. So my raw foods are

limited to avocado at this point.

Do others experienced elevated leukocyte counts on the diet? If so, do they

dwindle on their own after the body starts healing, or does it take the

re-introduction of raw foods later on before they go down?

Thanks everyone! All pieces to the puzzle....

Kat

27

dx UC June 2009

SCD Feb 2010

prednisone 5mg/day, rhodiola rosea, iron and other supplements

[Guest guest]

My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing? Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?

"I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also getting better from a flair."

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My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing? Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?

"I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also getting better from a flair."

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I don't know that this is the same thing but I've suffered with Alice in

Wonderland Syndrome since I was young. It's not something that many

neurologists recognize yet and they don't know what causes it (though there are

theories - occular migraines being one of them). The main symptom for me is

essentially a hallucination where my perspective gets messed up. As in, I'll

see something and it will look like it's shrinking (as though it's been pulled

away from me). The reason I mention it is because one of the things that

happens when it acts up is that, because of that shrinking, I can't focus on any

one place. I have to constantly move my eyes around the room. And, although I

know that there's no reason to worry, I get really anxious. Well...terrified to

be honest. I don't know if it's the same thing but it sounds similar.

Unfortunately I couldn't give any advice about it though because, for me, diet

hasn't had any effect one way or the other. The only thing I notice is that

it's much, much worse if I'm overtired.

Stacey

>

> My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the

diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it

especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels

anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing?

Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?

>

> " I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I

had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't

focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when

I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also

getting better from a flair. "

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>  Darlene

> Intestinal Dysbiosis

> SCD 2 weeks

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[Guest guest]

I don't know that this is the same thing but I've suffered with Alice in

Wonderland Syndrome since I was young. It's not something that many

neurologists recognize yet and they don't know what causes it (though there are

theories - occular migraines being one of them). The main symptom for me is

essentially a hallucination where my perspective gets messed up. As in, I'll

see something and it will look like it's shrinking (as though it's been pulled

away from me). The reason I mention it is because one of the things that

happens when it acts up is that, because of that shrinking, I can't focus on any

one place. I have to constantly move my eyes around the room. And, although I

know that there's no reason to worry, I get really anxious. Well...terrified to

be honest. I don't know if it's the same thing but it sounds similar.

Unfortunately I couldn't give any advice about it though because, for me, diet

hasn't had any effect one way or the other. The only thing I notice is that

it's much, much worse if I'm overtired.

Stacey

>

> My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the

diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it

especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels

anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing?

Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?

>

> " I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I

had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't

focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when

I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also

getting better from a flair. "

>

>

>

>  Darlene

> Intestinal Dysbiosis

> SCD 2 weeks

>

>

> __________________________________________________________________

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Thanks Stacey. I'll see if this compares with hers. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 15 days

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 7:15:56 PMSubject: Re: Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?

I don't know that this is the same thing but I've suffered with Alice in Wonderland Syndrome since I was young. It's not something that many neurologists recognize yet and they don't know what causes it (though there are theories - occular migraines being one of them). The main symptom for me is essentially a hallucination where my perspective gets messed up. As in, I'll see something and it will look like it's shrinking (as though it's been pulled away from me). The reason I mention it is because one of the things that happens when it acts up is that, because of that shrinking, I can't focus on any one place. I have to constantly move my eyes around the room. And, although I know that there's no reason to worry, I get really anxious. Well...terrified to be honest. I don't know if it's the same thing but it sounds similar. Unfortunately I couldn't give any advice about it though because, for me, diet hasn't had any effect one way or the other. The

only thing I notice is that it's much, much worse if I'm overtired. Stacey>> My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing? Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?> > "I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when I started upping my servings/day of

carbs. I started feeling better, also getting better from a flair."> > > > Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis> SCD 2 weeks> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads. yahoo.com/ ca/internetexplo rer/>

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Thanks Stacey. I'll see if this compares with hers. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 15 days

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 7:15:56 PMSubject: Re: Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?

I don't know that this is the same thing but I've suffered with Alice in Wonderland Syndrome since I was young. It's not something that many neurologists recognize yet and they don't know what causes it (though there are theories - occular migraines being one of them). The main symptom for me is essentially a hallucination where my perspective gets messed up. As in, I'll see something and it will look like it's shrinking (as though it's been pulled away from me). The reason I mention it is because one of the things that happens when it acts up is that, because of that shrinking, I can't focus on any one place. I have to constantly move my eyes around the room. And, although I know that there's no reason to worry, I get really anxious. Well...terrified to be honest. I don't know if it's the same thing but it sounds similar. Unfortunately I couldn't give any advice about it though because, for me, diet hasn't had any effect one way or the other. The

only thing I notice is that it's much, much worse if I'm overtired. Stacey>> My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing? Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?> > "I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when I started upping my servings/day of

carbs. I started feeling better, also getting better from a flair."> > > > Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis> SCD 2 weeks> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads. yahoo.com/ ca/internetexplo rer/>

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Thanks everybody - I think what I have going on is not the Alice in Wonderland

syndrome - that sounds really hard to deal with! My eyes just act like they are

tired, but all the time - going into and out of focus, blurry, can't really tell

what it is I'm looking at - like the shape is there, but it takes a while to

figure out what is going on. My mind wanders, can't feel " awake " and like I can

think logically about anything or hold a thought in my head for more than 2

seconds. Some lucidity every now and then. Very forgetful - difficult to conjure

up information, like names or words or what I was doing a hour earlier, etc.

This happened before - most of my symptoms have - as a result of a second car

accident, after which I had a lot of internal trauma that wasn't addressed for

several years. Possibly brain trauma, definitely stuff with my GI and

reproductive organs - a lot of nerve pain/numbness, headaches, muscle spasms,

arthritis, hair loss for 4 years, joint pain, skin issues like excema and

psoriasis. What helped most was yoga and some body work from a very very gentle

and knowledgable massage therapist that worked on the organs to release tension

rather than pushing on muscles. I think changing my diet earlier would have

gotten rid of the chronic distention I had developed from antibiotics

though...live and learn!

I have seen some other posts about body aches/ pain in back and feet, etc. That

all happened to me too - the longer I have not been able to do yoga/stretch out

to my fullest, the more my old aches and pains return, so I think they are all

related. My toothaches have even come back after going away for a couple years!

Good news is the vision stuff is gradually getting better. My flair has gone

back down. I have had one day w/o blood! I feel better overall, even though I am

still very fatigued. So it looks like maybe I just needed to heal up a bit.

We have had a few sunny days here in Seattle over the last week, and my vision

may have to do with the very low amount of sunlight getting in through the thick

cloud cover this time of year - every sunny day my health has gotten better!

Then on the really cloudy ones it gets worse again. I feel silly, but it seems

to have so much to do with it!

Kat

> >

> > My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the

diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it

especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels

anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing?

Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?

> >

> > " I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I

had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't

focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when

I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also

getting better from a flair. "

> >

> >

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> > SCD 2 weeks

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Thanks everybody - I think what I have going on is not the Alice in Wonderland

syndrome - that sounds really hard to deal with! My eyes just act like they are

tired, but all the time - going into and out of focus, blurry, can't really tell

what it is I'm looking at - like the shape is there, but it takes a while to

figure out what is going on. My mind wanders, can't feel " awake " and like I can

think logically about anything or hold a thought in my head for more than 2

seconds. Some lucidity every now and then. Very forgetful - difficult to conjure

up information, like names or words or what I was doing a hour earlier, etc.

This happened before - most of my symptoms have - as a result of a second car

accident, after which I had a lot of internal trauma that wasn't addressed for

several years. Possibly brain trauma, definitely stuff with my GI and

reproductive organs - a lot of nerve pain/numbness, headaches, muscle spasms,

arthritis, hair loss for 4 years, joint pain, skin issues like excema and

psoriasis. What helped most was yoga and some body work from a very very gentle

and knowledgable massage therapist that worked on the organs to release tension

rather than pushing on muscles. I think changing my diet earlier would have

gotten rid of the chronic distention I had developed from antibiotics

though...live and learn!

I have seen some other posts about body aches/ pain in back and feet, etc. That

all happened to me too - the longer I have not been able to do yoga/stretch out

to my fullest, the more my old aches and pains return, so I think they are all

related. My toothaches have even come back after going away for a couple years!

Good news is the vision stuff is gradually getting better. My flair has gone

back down. I have had one day w/o blood! I feel better overall, even though I am

still very fatigued. So it looks like maybe I just needed to heal up a bit.

We have had a few sunny days here in Seattle over the last week, and my vision

may have to do with the very low amount of sunlight getting in through the thick

cloud cover this time of year - every sunny day my health has gotten better!

Then on the really cloudy ones it gets worse again. I feel silly, but it seems

to have so much to do with it!

Kat

> >

> > My mother who has chronic intestinal problems and considering going on the

diet has started complaining about her eyes doing weird things. She notices it

especially when she's talking face to face with someone, she can't focus, feels

anxious and has to look away. Does this compare with what you're experiencing?

Does anyone else have weird things going on with their eyes?

> >

> > " I have been cooking my veggies/fruits for about 45 min to an hour because I

had to start adding higher quantities due to extreme fatigue. My eyes wouldn't

focus, hard to move, or think, etc. I also added an iron suppliment back in when

I started upping my servings/day of carbs. I started feeling better, also

getting better from a flair. "

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Kat,

I always feel better when I get lots of sun. I feel energized, calm and happy after laying outside soaking it up. Don't feel silly. Must be related to all the Vit D you're getting. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 9 days

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:12:10 PMSubject: Re: Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?

We have had a few sunny days here in Seattle over the last week, and my vision may have to do with the very low amount of sunlight getting in through the thick cloud cover this time of year - every sunny day my health has gotten better! Then on the really cloudy ones it gets worse again. I feel silly, but it seems to have so much to do with it!Kat>> Thanks Stacey. I'll see if this compares with hers.> Â Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis> SCD 15 days> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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Kat,

I always feel better when I get lots of sun. I feel energized, calm and happy after laying outside soaking it up. Don't feel silly. Must be related to all the Vit D you're getting. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 9 days

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:12:10 PMSubject: Re: Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?

We have had a few sunny days here in Seattle over the last week, and my vision may have to do with the very low amount of sunlight getting in through the thick cloud cover this time of year - every sunny day my health has gotten better! Then on the really cloudy ones it gets worse again. I feel silly, but it seems to have so much to do with it!Kat>> Thanks Stacey. I'll see if this compares with hers.> Â Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis> SCD 15 days> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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Get some vitamin D3 and start on a high dose - like 10,000 IUs for a week and thengo down to something like 5000 IUs. MaraKat,I always feel better when I get lots of sun. I feel energized, calm and happy after laying outside soaking it up. Don't feel silly. Must be related to all the Vit D you're getting. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 9 daysTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:12:10 PMSubject: Re: Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?We have had a few sunny days here in Seattle over the last week, and my vision may have to do with the very low amount of sunlight getting in through the thick cloud cover this time of year - every sunny day my health has gotten better! Then on the really cloudy ones it gets worse again. I feel silly, but it seems to have so much to do with it!Kat>> Thanks Stacey. I'll see if this compares with hers.> Â Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis> SCD 15 days> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now!

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Get some vitamin D3 and start on a high dose - like 10,000 IUs for a week and thengo down to something like 5000 IUs. MaraKat,I always feel better when I get lots of sun. I feel energized, calm and happy after laying outside soaking it up. Don't feel silly. Must be related to all the Vit D you're getting. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 9 daysTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:12:10 PMSubject: Re: Overcooking food - losing nutriets? high leukocyte count?We have had a few sunny days here in Seattle over the last week, and my vision may have to do with the very low amount of sunlight getting in through the thick cloud cover this time of year - every sunny day my health has gotten better! Then on the really cloudy ones it gets worse again. I feel silly, but it seems to have so much to do with it!Kat>> Thanks Stacey. I'll see if this compares with hers.> Â Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis> SCD 15 days> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now!