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How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I

would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as

adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long

time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying

to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's

sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is

not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top

of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes

place.

>

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>To: BTVC-SCD

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of

being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1 " . Being short means it all goes around the

middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel

ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal

I feel even heavier and " backed up " . But I'll give it time and let my gut do

some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is

adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive

myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now

I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk

everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it,

boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually

totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report

that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for

that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight,

but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too

much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes,

people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet --

usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I

wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you

will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food

sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people

freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that

normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting

more nutrients vs. the empty calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5'

4 " and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I

eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with

coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner

if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a

meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra

other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I

don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't

easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem

and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

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>

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How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I

would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as

adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long

time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying

to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's

sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is

not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top

of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes

place.

>

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>To: BTVC-SCD

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of

being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1 " . Being short means it all goes around the

middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel

ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal

I feel even heavier and " backed up " . But I'll give it time and let my gut do

some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is

adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive

myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now

I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk

everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it,

boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually

totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report

that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for

that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight,

but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too

much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes,

people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet --

usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I

wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you

will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food

sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people

freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that

normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting

more nutrients vs. the empty calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5'

4 " and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I

eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with

coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner

if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a

meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra

other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I

don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't

easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem

and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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,It depends on just what exactly going on I suppose. Sometimes it is just taking additional salt believe it or not, and other times you need to take dessicated adrenal cortex (like taking dessicated thyroid) or the actual bio-identical steroid -- whichever one is needed -- usually cortisol. There is a good book called "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome" which will cover all the basics of adrenal function, how to tell if you have adrenal fatigue, and what to do about it. Many of the supplements that might be needed can be sourced through online or healthfood stores as well.Basically a general indicator is if after a 'good' nights sleep you still feel exhausted, or if you do something a little more physically challenging one day it takes you

a day or two to recover, or if you have unexplained heart palpitations, or you are cold yet you are perspiring under your arms and/or your feet. There are many signs and those signs could also mean something else. Also, a lot of times adrenal fatigue goes with hypothyroid and they will have overlapping symptoms. Another good read is "Stop the Thyroid Madness." It will have info on thyroid as well as adrenal fatigue. The associated website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ has some suggestions that can help you determine if your adrenals are low.AmeliaTo: btvc-scd Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 4:31:43 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes place.

>

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ ___

>From: Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1". Being short means it all goes around the middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal I feel even heavier and "backed up". But I'll give it time and let my gut do some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it, boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ ___

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight, but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes, people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet -- usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting more nutrients vs. the empty

calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5' 4" and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ ___

>

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,It depends on just what exactly going on I suppose. Sometimes it is just taking additional salt believe it or not, and other times you need to take dessicated adrenal cortex (like taking dessicated thyroid) or the actual bio-identical steroid -- whichever one is needed -- usually cortisol. There is a good book called "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome" which will cover all the basics of adrenal function, how to tell if you have adrenal fatigue, and what to do about it. Many of the supplements that might be needed can be sourced through online or healthfood stores as well.Basically a general indicator is if after a 'good' nights sleep you still feel exhausted, or if you do something a little more physically challenging one day it takes you

a day or two to recover, or if you have unexplained heart palpitations, or you are cold yet you are perspiring under your arms and/or your feet. There are many signs and those signs could also mean something else. Also, a lot of times adrenal fatigue goes with hypothyroid and they will have overlapping symptoms. Another good read is "Stop the Thyroid Madness." It will have info on thyroid as well as adrenal fatigue. The associated website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ has some suggestions that can help you determine if your adrenals are low.AmeliaTo: btvc-scd Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 4:31:43 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes place.

>

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ ___

>From: Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1". Being short means it all goes around the middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal I feel even heavier and "backed up". But I'll give it time and let my gut do some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it, boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ ___

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight, but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes, people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet -- usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting more nutrients vs. the empty

calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5' 4" and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>___________ _________ _________ ___

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Holly,You might just have an 'apple' kind of shape. Some people just store their fat at that location, others with a 'pear' shape store it mostly on the lower stomach/hips/thighs. If you are hypo and tend towards the apple shape, you would gain there because being hypo means that you aren't using your energy properly and it is getting stored as fat (not to mention you feel too tired to exercise or hold any normal amount of activity that might use that energy).AmeliaP.S. I do have friend who was a strange and severe case in that she looked pregnant because it was only her stomach that was big. She went to many doctors to sort it out and they all decided she was just nuts, except one, who checked her out properly and found a massive internal

tumour. When that was removed (luckily the tumour was benign), her health returned and figure slimmed down to 'normal'. To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:55:59 AMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> ,

>

> It depends on just what exactly going on I suppose. Sometimes it is just taking additional salt believe it or not, and other times you need to take dessicated adrenal cortex (like taking dessicated thyroid) or the actual bio-identical steroid -- whichever one is needed -- usually cortisol. There is a good book called "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome" which will cover all the basics of adrenal function, how to tell if you have adrenal fatigue, and what to do about it. Many of the supplements that might be needed can be sourced through online or healthfood stores as well.

>

> Basically a general indicator is if after a 'good' nights sleep you still feel exhausted, or if you do something a little more physically challenging one day it takes you a day or two to recover, or if you have unexplained heart palpitations, or you are cold yet you are perspiring under your arms and/or your feet. There are many signs and those signs could also mean something else. Also, a lot of times adrenal fatigue goes with hypothyroid and they will have overlapping symptoms. Another good read is "Stop the Thyroid Madness." It will have info on thyroid as well as adrenal fatigue. The associated website www.stopthethyroidm adness.com/ adrenal-info/ has some suggestions that can help you determine if your adrenals are low.

>

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Holly,You might just have an 'apple' kind of shape. Some people just store their fat at that location, others with a 'pear' shape store it mostly on the lower stomach/hips/thighs. If you are hypo and tend towards the apple shape, you would gain there because being hypo means that you aren't using your energy properly and it is getting stored as fat (not to mention you feel too tired to exercise or hold any normal amount of activity that might use that energy).AmeliaP.S. I do have friend who was a strange and severe case in that she looked pregnant because it was only her stomach that was big. She went to many doctors to sort it out and they all decided she was just nuts, except one, who checked her out properly and found a massive internal

tumour. When that was removed (luckily the tumour was benign), her health returned and figure slimmed down to 'normal'. To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:55:59 AMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> ,

>

> It depends on just what exactly going on I suppose. Sometimes it is just taking additional salt believe it or not, and other times you need to take dessicated adrenal cortex (like taking dessicated thyroid) or the actual bio-identical steroid -- whichever one is needed -- usually cortisol. There is a good book called "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome" which will cover all the basics of adrenal function, how to tell if you have adrenal fatigue, and what to do about it. Many of the supplements that might be needed can be sourced through online or healthfood stores as well.

>

> Basically a general indicator is if after a 'good' nights sleep you still feel exhausted, or if you do something a little more physically challenging one day it takes you a day or two to recover, or if you have unexplained heart palpitations, or you are cold yet you are perspiring under your arms and/or your feet. There are many signs and those signs could also mean something else. Also, a lot of times adrenal fatigue goes with hypothyroid and they will have overlapping symptoms. Another good read is "Stop the Thyroid Madness." It will have info on thyroid as well as adrenal fatigue. The associated website www.stopthethyroidm adness.com/ adrenal-info/ has some suggestions that can help you determine if your adrenals are low.

>

> Amelia

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Holly,You might just have an 'apple' kind of shape. Some people just store their fat at that location, others with a 'pear' shape store it mostly on the lower stomach/hips/thighs. If you are hypo and tend towards the apple shape, you would gain there because being hypo means that you aren't using your energy properly and it is getting stored as fat (not to mention you feel too tired to exercise or hold any normal amount of activity that might use that energy).I think Eileen complained about the same thing. Generally skinny but with fat stores. She may have also been hypo and with a thyroid issue.Mara

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Holly,You might just have an 'apple' kind of shape. Some people just store their fat at that location, others with a 'pear' shape store it mostly on the lower stomach/hips/thighs. If you are hypo and tend towards the apple shape, you would gain there because being hypo means that you aren't using your energy properly and it is getting stored as fat (not to mention you feel too tired to exercise or hold any normal amount of activity that might use that energy).I think Eileen complained about the same thing. Generally skinny but with fat stores. She may have also been hypo and with a thyroid issue.Mara

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Holly,

In the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome" it says:

"The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a-beach-ball look)."

Now I'm not eating fast food, hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around my middle.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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Holly,

In the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome" it says:

"The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a-beach-ball look)."

Now I'm not eating fast food, hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around my middle.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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Holly,

You really need to get a adrenal test done before you start supps.

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Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08>> > Holly,> > In the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome" it says: > "The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a- beach-ball look)."> Now I'm not eating fast food,

hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around my middle.>   Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis/CFS> SCD 1 month > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ ...>> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AM> Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue> >  > I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke

uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.> > Holly> Crohn's> SCD 12/01/08> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now> http://ca.toolbar. yahoo.com.>

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You really need to get a adrenal test done before you start supps.

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To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 4:11:01 PMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08>> > Holly,> > In the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome" it says: > "The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a- beach-ball look)."> Now I'm not eating fast food,

hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around my middle.>   Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis/CFS> SCD 1 month > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ ...>> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AM> Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue> >  > I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke

uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.> > Holly> Crohn's> SCD 12/01/08> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now> http://ca.toolbar. yahoo.com.>

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I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/detoxing. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

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I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/detoxing. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

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complicated question, proper nutrition and rest. quality coconut oil (tblspoon per day) helps alot (jarrow makes a good cheap one). there are other interventions. detoxification can help, and rebuilding. also relief of psychological stressors, past and present. careful with sodium/potassium balancing, depending on the stage of depletion that your adrenals are in, they will be behaving differently. if you are eating salt at all, you might want to invest in sea salt (celtic is best). If you are severely ill, a colloidal mineral supplement might help. american longevity magestic earth helped me.

best,p.s. chlorine can make adrenals worse too if you're really sick, and caffeine is real bad

 

How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes place.

>

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>To: BTVC-SCD

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1 " . Being short means it all goes around the middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal I feel even heavier and " backed up " . But I'll give it time and let my gut do some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it, boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight, but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes, people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet -- usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting more nutrients vs. the empty calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5' 4 " and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>Yahoo! Canada Toolbar :Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now!

>

>

>

>

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complicated question, proper nutrition and rest. quality coconut oil (tblspoon per day) helps alot (jarrow makes a good cheap one). there are other interventions. detoxification can help, and rebuilding. also relief of psychological stressors, past and present. careful with sodium/potassium balancing, depending on the stage of depletion that your adrenals are in, they will be behaving differently. if you are eating salt at all, you might want to invest in sea salt (celtic is best). If you are severely ill, a colloidal mineral supplement might help. american longevity magestic earth helped me.

best,p.s. chlorine can make adrenals worse too if you're really sick, and caffeine is real bad

 

How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes place.

>

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>To: BTVC-SCD

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1 " . Being short means it all goes around the middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal I feel even heavier and " backed up " . But I'll give it time and let my gut do some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it, boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight, but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes, people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet -- usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting more nutrients vs. the empty calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5' 4 " and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>Yahoo! Canada Toolbar :Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now!

>

>

>

>

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Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)

best,

 

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/detoxing.

 DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

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Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

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Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)

best,

 

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/detoxing.

 DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

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Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

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Apples are fine. I am, in fact, on Day 2 of a liver cleanse, drinking lots of apple cider and water with Celtic sea salt, plus I am having daily sauna treatments in my sister's far infrared sauna. I just quit smoking and am hoping this will lighten the load on all my organs, especially my liver and adrenals. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:55:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)best,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com> wrote:

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/ detoxing.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ yahoo.com> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comSent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:11:01 AM Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

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Apples are fine. I am, in fact, on Day 2 of a liver cleanse, drinking lots of apple cider and water with Celtic sea salt, plus I am having daily sauna treatments in my sister's far infrared sauna. I just quit smoking and am hoping this will lighten the load on all my organs, especially my liver and adrenals. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:55:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)best,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com> wrote:

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/ detoxing.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ yahoo.com> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comSent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:11:01 AM Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

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yes, it's safe to do with stones. that's really what it's intended for. it should flush them. I don't know what a calcified stone is. You should really, really check out the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford, pg. 322-323 there is a lot of information and a full description and directions. Sorry, if I were healthier I would make an attempt to type it all up for you :(

best,

 

What is a gallbladder dextox?  Is it safe to do it with stones/calcified stones?

 

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yes, it's safe to do with stones. that's really what it's intended for. it should flush them. I don't know what a calcified stone is. You should really, really check out the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford, pg. 322-323 there is a lot of information and a full description and directions. Sorry, if I were healthier I would make an attempt to type it all up for you :(

best,

 

What is a gallbladder dextox?  Is it safe to do it with stones/calcified stones?

 

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OMG Darlene - Congratulations on being a NON-SMOKER!!!!!

I want to quit, but the more I think about quiting the more nervous I get and the more I smoke! Arggggh - it's so irrational!

My hat's off to you for a major accomplishment!!!!!

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 9:33:19 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

,

Apples are fine. I am, in fact, on Day 2 of a liver cleanse, drinking lots of apple cider and water with Celtic sea salt, plus I am having daily sauna treatments in my sister's far infrared sauna. I just quit smoking and am hoping this will lighten the load on all my organs, especially my liver and adrenals. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

From: Anonymous <scdquery (AT) gmail (DOT) com>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comSent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:55:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue

Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)best,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com> wrote:

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/ detoxing.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ yahoo.com> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comSent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:11:01 AM Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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