Re: visual perception issues

[Guest guest]

What are you referring to when you say " visual perception issues " ? We

are considering taking to a pediatric opthamologist because

NACD says he has " mixed visual dominance " . Part of our new program is

occlusion of the left eye for four hours a day. (We haven't started

yet, as we are waiting for a shipment of clings to accomplish this

goal.)

in NJ

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> Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> schoolager apraxic child?

> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Hi -

Our 7 yr old second grader had severe tracking issues and some visual

perceptual issues. We started seeing a vision therapist in July.

Honestly, it is one of the better things we have done! He worked first

on the tracking issues, and they are greatly improved. She can now

read in a chapter book and keep her place most of the time. We are

working the perceptual piece now, and improvement is slower, but we

are getting there!

Wendi

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> Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> schoolager apraxic child?

> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Engel, East Brunswick, NJ, best there is

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> > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > schoolager apraxic child?

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[Guest guest]

We had different visual issues. On our NACD program we did pleoptics using a

flashlight for 3 months to work his central vision and we also used pinhole

glasses for 3 months to work his vision. My memory is beginning to fail and I

would need to look up the specifics of what the name for what he was doing but

it had something to do with looking where he was going rather than just using

his peripheral vision and peering out from the side of his eyes (and then of

course, walking straight into the wall or falling down the stairs!) We needed

to stimulate his macula. Anyway, whatever we did worked and he is okay now.

, I had a 'lazy' left eye as a kid and had to wear a patch on my eye 24/7

for about a month. I survived and never had a problem since (well, I notice it

an itty bitty bit as I age) but.... had this not been picked up, I would have

ended up learning disabled! I was probably in grade 3 or 4 at the time and can

barely remember it. I do remember being patched over the summer months but that

is about it. So, don't fear the occlusion! I actually forgot all about it

until my sisters kids developed a similiar issue with his binocular vision and

had to oclude for part of the day and do special activities while occluding one

eye.... Better to do it and do it young than not at all.

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: visual perception issues

What are you referring to when you say " visual perception issues " ? We

are considering taking to a pediatric opthamologist because

NACD says he has " mixed visual dominance " . Part of our new program is

occlusion of the left eye for four hours a day. (We haven't started

yet, as we are waiting for a shipment of clings to accomplish this

goal.)

in NJ

>

> Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> schoolager apraxic child?

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I have had him in to see the ped opthamologist. He has " perfect " vision.

I mean you ask your child to pick up a toy from a mix of toys and the

child says " where? I no see it? " and from your vantage point is is

very obvious where the toy/item is.

finding items on a cluttered background, putting together 2

dimensional puzzles etc.

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> > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > schoolager apraxic child?

> > Thanks

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[Guest guest]

My daughter has significant visual perception issues... We recieve

vision therapy thru the school. When she started she would trip and

fall over everything, bump into walls, if you asked her to put her

finger on the dot on the page she would miss it by an inch. Now she

has a much better idea of spacial relationships, still falls some but

usually due to clumsiness, not misjudging the distance, she can trace

things well, and her tracking is much better, and her visual

discrimination is better. We still have some work to do, but I feel it

has really helped, but be very cautious about what therepist you go to -

makes a big difference!

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> Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> schoolager apraxic child?

> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Just to be clear, he checks more than just regular eyesight and eye

health issues?

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> > > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > > schoolager apraxic child?

> > > Thanks

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[Guest guest]

This is one of those things that needs to be pointed out to me by

experts. I would never pick that up on my own. He does OK on school

papers where he's supposed to find hidden objects, but he rarely

finds all of them. I'll have to find some worksheets to try out on

him.

Thanks for the description! It's always best to have a parent give

you a real-world example.

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> > > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > > schoolager apraxic child?

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[Guest guest]

What specifically do you want him to check for?

I think you need to call the office. He is pretty thorough, amswered

all my questions. My kid's thing was an eye shape thing though and

was pretty straightforward. Still, he tests a multitude of things,

weay more than my eye dr ever did. Still the office staff is good. I

would call and ask about specifics. If he can't help you they'd

likely know who could.

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> > > > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in

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> > > > schoolager apraxic child?

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[Guest guest]

I think Engel does cover this but check with the office.

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[Guest guest]

My daughter's acuity it fine; she has no vision issues either, but if you give

her a worksheet with the letters a and d on it and have her go item by item

trying to differentiate the ds, it is very difficult for her to follow and track

each line.

We are having to use sight words for reading rather than phonics due to vt

issues. I checked out a book on interlibrary loan that was just fabulous on

this topic; it had lots of home exercises like using two flashlights and having

the child follow your light etc. I can not remember the book, though, but I am

sure if you did a google search on vt, you could find it .

I hope that helps, it has nothing to do with eye sight itself.

sharon

mommyz7 <t_r_z@...> wrote:

I have had him in to see the ped opthamologist. He has " perfect "

vision.

I mean you ask your child to pick up a toy from a mix of toys and the

child says " where? I no see it? " and from your vantage point is is

very obvious where the toy/item is.

finding items on a cluttered background, putting together 2

dimensional puzzles etc.

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> > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > schoolager apraxic child?

> > Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Funny this was the exact issue when we started EI.

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[Guest guest]

My son has some visual perceptual issues. He can do missing pictures fine,

can do I Spy books too, but he can't " see " the difference between b and d

and p, M and N, etc. If I have him trace the letter he knows the

difference, but just looking he can't. I'm not sure what his other

visual-perceptual things are. It doesn't impact his finding objects in a

cluttered drawer, but it seems to impact academics and is something his OT

picked up on. His vision is perfect. He uses both eyes and sees fine.

Visual-perceptual issues are not just vision as in near or far sighted or

astigmatism.

Miche

On 1/17/08, Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

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> I would bet any day.... that he has trouble with 'Where's Waldo' Ever

> tried it? Also those books, Eye Spy where there are pages of 'cluttered'

> items that you must visually sort through and find the 10 rolling pins, 8

> buttons and 14 ducks, etc.

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> At any rate, if there is a lot of clutter on a desk, Mark could be looking

> straight at the desk and not 'see' the item he was looking for. This has to

> do with his wide peripheral vision and we remediated it via pleoptics at

> NACD. Note, that this issue contributes to amazing reading speeds so where

> there is a bad, there can also be a good! ....or a gifted!

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> Mark has not had an issue with it any more that I have noticed but I will

> test him tonight if I can remember and see if the pleoptics did the trick or

> not.

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> A book that EVERYONE should buy that addresses all of this stuff and

> includes exercises and such is called " The Mislabled Child " by Brock Eide

> and Fernadette Eide. To look up issues and problems in our

> 'mulit-dimensionally' affected children.... this book is a must! It gets

> right to the core issue. This is where I first began to understand this

> issue in Mark. This book goes into extreme depth and addresses APD issues,

> Vision issues, hand-eye issues, language processing, Sensory Processing,

> dysgraphia, dyslexia.... you name it, it covers it from a therapy

> perspective and gives you direction as to what is actually happening inside

> the childs mind.

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

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> [sPAM][ ] Re: visual perception issues

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> I have had him in to see the ped opthamologist. He has " perfect " vision.

>

> I mean you ask your child to pick up a toy from a mix of toys and the

> child says " where? I no see it? " and from your vantage point is is

> very obvious where the toy/item is.

>

> finding items on a cluttered background, putting together 2

> dimensional puzzles etc.

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> > >

> > > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > > schoolager apraxic child?

> > > Thanks

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[Guest guest]

I would bet any day.... that he has trouble with 'Where's Waldo' Ever tried it?

Also those books, Eye Spy where there are pages of 'cluttered' items that you

must visually sort through and find the 10 rolling pins, 8 buttons and 14 ducks,

etc.

At any rate, if there is a lot of clutter on a desk, Mark could be looking

straight at the desk and not 'see' the item he was looking for. This has to do

with his wide peripheral vision and we remediated it via pleoptics at NACD.

Note, that this issue contributes to amazing reading speeds so where there is a

bad, there can also be a good! ....or a gifted!

Mark has not had an issue with it any more that I have noticed but I will test

him tonight if I can remember and see if the pleoptics did the trick or not.

A book that EVERYONE should buy that addresses all of this stuff and includes

exercises and such is called " The Mislabled Child " by Brock Eide and Fernadette

Eide. To look up issues and problems in our 'mulit-dimensionally' affected

children.... this book is a must! It gets right to the core issue. This is

where I first began to understand this issue in Mark. This book goes into

extreme depth and addresses APD issues, Vision issues, hand-eye issues, language

processing, Sensory Processing, dysgraphia, dyslexia.... you name it, it covers

it from a therapy perspective and gives you direction as to what is actually

happening inside the childs mind.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: visual perception issues

I have had him in to see the ped opthamologist. He has " perfect " vision.

I mean you ask your child to pick up a toy from a mix of toys and the

child says " where? I no see it? " and from your vantage point is is

very obvious where the toy/item is.

finding items on a cluttered background, putting together 2

dimensional puzzles etc.

> >

> > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > schoolager apraxic child?

> > Thanks

> >

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[Guest guest]

For an intro eg of what some of the issues in visual perception are I think this

is quite helpful. http://www.eyecanlearn.com/#Figure%20Ground

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[Guest guest]

I love NACD, but one of the downsides is that they don't do the

official, scored evaluation that the less-useful experts do. Ellen

observed 's mixed visual dominance and added the left eye

occlusion to our program. That's fine with me, but now I want to

know more about his vision. Is that the only problem? etc. Also,

Tyler's OT didn't like the occlusion thing at all, so I thought a

more full evaluation would help me understand the vision problem (or

lack thereof). The OT understands dominance, but she didn't have any

problem with having left side dominance for vision in a right handed

person. NACD is pretty big on consistent dominance: right ear,

right eye, right hand, etc.

Amusingly, this program activity bugs my husband because he is a

proud lefty. He said it smacks of the days when they tried to make

lefties use their right hands. I THINK he is just joking around.

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> > > > > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in

> their

> > > > > schoolager apraxic child?

> > > > > Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Janice,

There is seriously no limit to what you know! It's been said before,

but it bears repeating -- you are a godsend!!! I never would have

discovered NACD without you, and neither would the dozen people that I

have told about it since then.

Thank you from all of of your American fans!

[Guest guest]

Another good book on this topic is " Seeing Through New Eyes " by Dr. Melvin

Kaplan. You can read a sample chapter on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Through-New-Eyes-Developmental/dp/1843108003

My daughter currently receives vision therapy at Dr. Kaplan's practice. She

always had difficulty finding objects in the distance. Also, she got motion

sick every time we went on the highway (too much visual info coming too fast to

process).

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[Guest guest]

That is a very dyslexic thing to do... How about having him form letters out of

clay like they do at the Dyslexia institute?

A book you may want to try with exercises for visual is called " Developing

Ocular Motor and Visual Perceptual Skills " by A. Lane.

It has a lot of varied exercises in it designed to work a wide range of visual

issues. He has an entire series of 'visual scanning' exercises using just the

letters you were speaking about. I'm guessing this could be a common issue

amongst many children.

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: visual perception issues

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> I have had him in to see the ped opthamologist. He has " perfect " vision.

>

> I mean you ask your child to pick up a toy from a mix of toys and the

> child says " where? I no see it? " and from your vantage point is is

> very obvious where the toy/item is.

>

> finding items on a cluttered background, putting together 2

> dimensional puzzles etc.

>

> > >

> > > Has anyone noticed/remediated visual perception issues in their

> > > schoolager apraxic child?

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

This son is just in K now. I did a lot of fun letter stuff homeschooling

him and he also did that in OT. He's in half day K now in public school

since we moved to a place with good schools and figured we'd give it a try

and see what supports they have. All he needs to do with a letter is trace

it with his finger and he knows the difference. I have him draw a lot of

letters big in the air and that helps him. He also loves doing " pins " in

stations in class. He traces letters by making holes in the printed letter

with a pin. He knows his letters pretty well and phonological awareness is

a bigger issue unfortunately.

Now my 8 yr old who doesn't have apraxia is more of a concern for me. He is

clearly bright, but spells and reads at a lower level than other tasks. In

school (he was always homeschooled until two weeks ago) he did a

computerized reading comp test and he scored right in the middle for his

grade level so the one teacher said he's doing fine. But he gets consistent

low marks on his papers because he is misreading directions. He gets the

gist of what is said, but I think his intelligence and problem solving is

masking another problem. An example was when he was asked to " name at least

four things... " He read it as " name a lits of four things... " He wrote a

list and got docked five percent on the test for not using a full sentence.

He was confused and said he followed the instructions and it said a list! I

was hoping the schools would test him and get him help, but I might have to

fight to show why I see a problem!

Thanks for the book recommendation! I will definitely look into it. I have

a hunch we'll be homeschooling again. I'm not thrilled with my third

grader's curriculum and I am not convinced that my K student is getting

anything out of school either. He has fun, and they both love being with

kids, but I keep getting reports that " listened attentively to the

story today " but when I ask him what the story was about he said, " I dough

know. " I pointed this out to his para today and she said she will start

asking him comprehension questions and get discussion after the story, but

she THOUGHT he was understanding too. I hope she realizes he isn't. We

haven't had an IEP yet and I don't know if the schools will consider him

eligible for OT. His handwriting is beautiful. At this point they aren't

sure he qualifies for a para. Ugh! He is getting 1 hr of speech in the

meantime and the para was already in his class for another student (or maybe

a few?) so she is working with him because she's there.

Miche

On 1/17/08, Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

>

> That is a very dyslexic thing to do... How about having him form letters

> out of clay like they do at the Dyslexia institute?

>

A book you may want to try with exercises for visual is called " Developing

> Ocular Motor and Visual Perceptual Skills " by A. Lane.

>

> It has a lot of varied exercises in it designed to work a wide range of

> visual issues. He has an entire series of 'visual scanning' exercises using

> just the letters you were speaking about. I'm guessing this could be a

> common issue amongst many children.

>

> Janice

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Janice. is or was growing into this. We have some

letter recognition now so maybe it was just the glasses but still

good to have a plan B. This reading issue later has been seen

throughout my family in the older kids. They grow into some of this

while I grew out of it. I am not kidding when I say ying and yang.

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> > That is a very dyslexic thing to do... How about having him

form letters

> > out of clay like they do at the Dyslexia institute?

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> A book you may want to try with exercises for visual is

called " Developing

> > Ocular Motor and Visual Perceptual Skills " by A. Lane.

> >

> > It has a lot of varied exercises in it designed to work a wide

range of

> > visual issues. He has an entire series of 'visual scanning'

exercises using

> > just the letters you were speaking about. I'm guessing this could

be a

> > common issue amongst many children.

> >

> > Janice

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