Can't stop eating!!! Help!!!

[Guest guest]

I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T

stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words

of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight

before surgery?

[Guest guest]

I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T

stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words

of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight

before surgery?

[Guest guest]

Trust me - we all do. Protein shakes helped me a lot - they made me not want to eat and even gave me energy!

Barbara

From: woobedo Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:22 PMTo: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: Can't stop eating!!! Help!!!

I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight before surgery?

[Guest guest]

Trust me - we all do. Protein shakes helped me a lot - they made me not want to eat and even gave me energy!

Barbara

From: woobedo Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:22 PMTo: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: Can't stop eating!!! Help!!!

I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight before surgery?

[Guest guest]

Have you seen your psych doctor already? You're up to the point of losing 10%? If this is where you are, you're probably scared of giving up foods you like, but this is a behavior problem that needs to be changed or this WLS won't work for you. Not sure where you are in you progress in this program, but you may need to see the psych doctor again to help figure out why you are doing this. Take care. Donnawoobedo wrote: I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight before

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Have you seen your psych doctor already? You're up to the point of losing 10%? If this is where you are, you're probably scared of giving up foods you like, but this is a behavior problem that needs to be changed or this WLS won't work for you. Not sure where you are in you progress in this program, but you may need to see the psych doctor again to help figure out why you are doing this. Take care. Donnawoobedo wrote: I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight before

surgery?Donna JordonDSJordon@...

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I am still having problems losing the 10%. The most I have been down

is 5% and I was approved in February, have had all the marathon appts,

second psych, ekg and labs. And here I sit. I have tried adjusting

medication with my doctor and extra labs looking for some reason why

my body won;t cooperate.

The only good thing is that I havn't gained and I eat really healthy,

very little fast food and lots of veggies. I have been substituting a

meal or two with protein shakes. I am just hoping one day kaiser will

wake up and see that they are failing all of us morbid obese people

and get us the surgery with different requirements. Each day that I

am still MO is a day closer to death and more meds that they can make

a profit on giving me.

Jeanne

>

> I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T

> stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

> appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

> Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some

words

> of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight

> before surgery?

>

[Guest guest]

I am still having problems losing the 10%. The most I have been down

is 5% and I was approved in February, have had all the marathon appts,

second psych, ekg and labs. And here I sit. I have tried adjusting

medication with my doctor and extra labs looking for some reason why

my body won;t cooperate.

The only good thing is that I havn't gained and I eat really healthy,

very little fast food and lots of veggies. I have been substituting a

meal or two with protein shakes. I am just hoping one day kaiser will

wake up and see that they are failing all of us morbid obese people

and get us the surgery with different requirements. Each day that I

am still MO is a day closer to death and more meds that they can make

a profit on giving me.

Jeanne

>

> I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T

> stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

> appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

> Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some

words

> of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight

> before surgery?

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanne I know it's hard but are you doing any thing for exercise and are you drinking all the water your suppose too? These really make a difference. Let us know. Take care. Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving. Donnatopazmisskitty wrote: I am still having problems losing the 10%. The most I have been down is 5% and I was approved in February, have had all the marathon appts, second psych, ekg and labs. And here I sit. I have tried adjusting medication with my doctor and extra labs looking for some reason why my body won;t cooperate. The only good thing is that I havn't gained and I eat really healthy, very little fast food and lots of veggies. I have been substituting a meal or two with protein shakes. I am just

hoping one day kaiser will wake up and see that they are failing all of us morbid obese people and get us the surgery with different requirements. Each day that I am still MO is a day closer to death and more meds that they can make a profit on giving me.Jeanne>> I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words > of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight > before surgery?> Donna JordonDSJordon@...

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Jeanne I know it's hard but are you doing any thing for exercise and are you drinking all the water your suppose too? These really make a difference. Let us know. Take care. Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving. Donnatopazmisskitty wrote: I am still having problems losing the 10%. The most I have been down is 5% and I was approved in February, have had all the marathon appts, second psych, ekg and labs. And here I sit. I have tried adjusting medication with my doctor and extra labs looking for some reason why my body won;t cooperate. The only good thing is that I havn't gained and I eat really healthy, very little fast food and lots of veggies. I have been substituting a meal or two with protein shakes. I am just

hoping one day kaiser will wake up and see that they are failing all of us morbid obese people and get us the surgery with different requirements. Each day that I am still MO is a day closer to death and more meds that they can make a profit on giving me.Jeanne>> I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some words > of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight > before surgery?> Donna JordonDSJordon@...

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Jeanne, I think that at some point Laurie W. posted to

the list that you could get the DMHC to override the

10% rule. I would give them a try. It is worth a

shot. Kaiser is withholding what even they consider

necessary medical treatment for you. Call them!

Like, today!

Laurie

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Jeanne, I think that at some point Laurie W. posted to

the list that you could get the DMHC to override the

10% rule. I would give them a try. It is worth a

shot. Kaiser is withholding what even they consider

necessary medical treatment for you. Call them!

Like, today!

Laurie

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[Guest guest]

I am also having a tough time with my weight, I try to exercise, but

I also keep eating. I want to lose the extra 25 punds I need to get

the surgery. but it is really hard. the closest I have come is 465,

and I need to be down to 440

> >

> > I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I

CAN'T

> > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

> > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

> > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some

> words

> > of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the

weight

> > before surgery?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am also having a tough time with my weight, I try to exercise, but

I also keep eating. I want to lose the extra 25 punds I need to get

the surgery. but it is really hard. the closest I have come is 465,

and I need to be down to 440

> >

> > I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I

CAN'T

> > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

> > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

> > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some

> words

> > of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the

weight

> > before surgery?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

....

You can do this !!! focus on your success to date and take it one day

at a time. stay the course on whatever eating program you are on and

stick to the exercise and it will come off.

Hang in there...keep your eyes on the prize !

Regards,

Gordy

> > >

> > > I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I

> CAN'T

> > > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

> > > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

> > > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some

> > words

> > > of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the

> weight

> > > before surgery?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

....

You can do this !!! focus on your success to date and take it one day

at a time. stay the course on whatever eating program you are on and

stick to the exercise and it will come off.

Hang in there...keep your eyes on the prize !

Regards,

Gordy

> > >

> > > I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I

> CAN'T

> > > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the

> > > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with

> > > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some

> > words

> > > of encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the

> weight

> > > before surgery?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It just ain't easy! I was good for a week, two weeks,

and kept falling off the wagon. I wish I were more

consistent.

Laurie

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It just ain't easy! I was good for a week, two weeks,

and kept falling off the wagon. I wish I were more

consistent.

Laurie

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[Guest guest]

Laurie,

At this point I am going to appeal it, and I even have my doctor's

blessing and she is going to write a letter either to the Bariatric

Dept or the DMHC. So, maybe I can get this surgery in the beginning

of the new year.

Jeanne

>

> Jeanne, I think that at some point Laurie W. posted to

> the list that you could get the DMHC to override the

> 10% rule. I would give them a try. It is worth a

> shot. Kaiser is withholding what even they consider

> necessary medical treatment for you. Call them!

> Like, today!

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________

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> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

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>

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

At this point I am going to appeal it, and I even have my doctor's

blessing and she is going to write a letter either to the Bariatric

Dept or the DMHC. So, maybe I can get this surgery in the beginning

of the new year.

Jeanne

>

> Jeanne, I think that at some point Laurie W. posted to

> the list that you could get the DMHC to override the

> 10% rule. I would give them a try. It is worth a

> shot. Kaiser is withholding what even they consider

> necessary medical treatment for you. Call them!

> Like, today!

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________

> Yahoo! Music Unlimited

> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

>

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You just need to get tough with yourself...that's wht I finally did. No more "situational ethics"...you know the drill: "Oh, this ONE eensy bit of cake won't hurt"...or "Well, I'm at a restaurant, of course I can have a glass of wine (and an appetizer and some dessert)". You know, your diet depends upon the situation. Your focus on your weightloss goals falter. And that's why you go up a lb. or two, and then down a lb. or two, but wind up hovering hovering hovering at the same weight.

I'm actually going through that a bit now, and I'm POST. I'm nearly at six months..I have lost down to 167, and I keep jumping back and forth between 164 and 167. ANd it has everything to do with my focus. Am I exercising routinely? Am I drinking my water? (a big factor) Am I snacking between meals? Am I eating too many carbs that aren't simply veggies and fruit?

The thing is, it requires mindfulness. Think of your body like a bank account. The exercise you do, along with the basic caloric requirements your body needs to survive are your deposits. Your BMR (usually your current weight times a factor for your age, times your activity level) is like your automatic deposit of your salary. The exercise deposits are the little extra cash you get here and there...insurance reimbursements...moonlighting...that kind of thing.

And your food that you consume are like the checks that you draw off of that account. ANd the little nibbles here and there during the day are like the ATM withdrawals that you forget to write down...or the little things you buy on point of service (because you are in the moment and you just HAVE to buy the little something that you really don't need).

It's about balancing your checkbook everyday. It's about creating a savings account. You know, eating far less than what you really need...and adding to that account with exercise. As you watch it grow (and you shrink), you become more committed to continuing on.

If you go out and blow a wad on some frivolous thing...and you've been saving up for a vacation...it isn't just the fact that now you've blown cash. It's also that you have to replace the cash you blew....just to break even. ANd then, you need to do more to get your account back to where you were. It's a waste of time. You lose interest.

ANd with weightloss...when you kind of piddle around, you also lose interest. You start to feel hopeless, like it doesn't work, nothing ever works, nothing ever will. But the reality is that you need to make it your top focus, just as you would saving money for a down payment for a house you want. Figure out the little things you can cut out...the stuff that doesn't matter to you that much. Do you drink coffee with cream? Change to lowfat, and then nonfat...and then to black. You can save 10 lbs. a year with that little trick.

Make a point to walk every single a.m., even if you don't have a lot of time, and you decide that you'll just get out there for 20 minutes. That gives you a little extra cushion in your account in case you take a couple of bites too much...and if you don't? Hey,, you'll be that much closer to your goal.

It requires focused vigilence. Focused. Try not to focus on the deprivation, but on what you are gaining (or in your case, losing!)...for example, if financially you decide to save money by cutting out your daily Starbucks...if you focus on the deprivation, you'll be right back doing it. Now, three dollars may not seem much (actually, it's slightly more than $3) but in a year, you've saved $1095. Right? It adds up. SO, think upon the goal.

If you are 100 lbs. overweight, all it takes is 96 extra calories more than you require each day over the span of 10 years to gain that weight. 96 calories ain't much. So, you can see...it's the little things that may make all of the difference. The extra bagel half. The piece of bread. Two pats of butter instead of one. A couple of bites too many.

It's easy to think these little things don't matter...but they do.

I'm in the process of doing both a financial and a calorie inventory. And I find the analogy useful. When you cut out certain expenditures, you find they don't matter after a while. You don't miss them. SImilar to little habits that you develop in your eating.

I made a lit of all of the money I waste on little things: I live in the City, so if I don't have enough quarters on me...my meter runs out and I get a ticket. This happens frequently. ANd then I don't pay the ticket right away. So it goes from $35 to $70 in a shake. All because I failed to put in an extra 50 cents. SO, now I am prepared. I keep a role of quarters with me. Just like I keep certain foods with me.

I spend between $4 and $10 dollars a day for lunch. I throw most of it away, because the portion sizes are huge. During the week day, assuming an average of $6 a day, and discounting weekends, that's $1566 a year. Over 10 years, that's $15,660. Add that to ten years worth of cofee, and that's about $27,000! Calories are similar. The little things add up.

So , others, myself...just remember, if you overdraw your account, you won't make progress towards your goals. I ate a bit more than I should (yes, much much much less than in the past...but still, too much for me now) yesterday. So I walked for 2 hours, and today I'm going to the gym to work out. I will put in extra time and work out every day this weekend to try and make up for the extra calories I ate.

And let me tell you: it's much easier to limit the calories you eat then it is work off extra calories. Just like it is much easier to curb your spending than it is to go out and moonlight and "find" extra money here and there. The best thing to do is a combination of both. Then you will make real progress. And put off that splurge. A moment of satisfaction will never make up for the joy of your ultimate goal: having the surgery and starting a new life.

With calories, I get into the "was that worth it mode". If I take a bite of something, and it just doesn't taste good enough to justify the calories (I generally apply this theory to "extra eating") I stop and think, "Is this worth the calories? Is this worth an extra hour on the elliptical? Will I be glad that I ate this?" If not,well, I spit it out. Really. I spit out food that I realize isn't worth it.

ANd I don't put off exercising, either...or I try not to. Think of it this way: if you write a bad check, and you realize that you don't have enough in your account to cover it...you scoot down to the bank and put in a deposit, or transfer funds from your savings ASAP. Now, failing to exercise to pay for your "overdraft" means that you have no deposit to make. So, then you have to rely up on your "savings" from the past few days. But that takes money away from your goal to buy that house. And doing it with the calories means that you will be slowed down in your achievement of the weightloss goal.

So, think about whether you are "overdrawing" your account when you reach for something. And the only way to really know where you are is to keep a balanced checkbook that includes EVERYTHING, including the little ATM transactions and the transaction fees. SO, if you have a pedometer, and you try to do 10,000 steps a day, and you notice that one day you only did 5,000...well...that's a major difference in the balance you have to spend for that day. SO, you need to either get out there and walk for that 10,000 more...or you need to tighten your belt for the rest of the day.

Write everything down for a while. ANd periodically do it again if you don't see your weight moving in the right direction. Get a real snapshot of where you are. Be honest about the little things. The bites here and there as you cook. The little piece of candy that you pop in your mouth. Maybe it's only 60 calories, or even 30. But if you eat that...and then you add some half and half to your coffee once that day...you've just gone over your "budget". ANd you can recover. But, if you keep doing that on a consistent basis...you are going to have troubles.

OK guys!!! We can do this! We are smart, competent, mindful, capable...and darn it, people like us!!

Robynn wrote:

I am also having a tough time with my weight, I try to exercise, but I also keep eating. I want to lose the extra 25 punds I need to get the surgery. but it is really hard. the closest I have come is 465, and I need to be down to 440> >> > I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T > > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the > > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with > > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some > words > > of

encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight > > before surgery?> >>

[Guest guest]

You just need to get tough with yourself...that's wht I finally did. No more "situational ethics"...you know the drill: "Oh, this ONE eensy bit of cake won't hurt"...or "Well, I'm at a restaurant, of course I can have a glass of wine (and an appetizer and some dessert)". You know, your diet depends upon the situation. Your focus on your weightloss goals falter. And that's why you go up a lb. or two, and then down a lb. or two, but wind up hovering hovering hovering at the same weight.

I'm actually going through that a bit now, and I'm POST. I'm nearly at six months..I have lost down to 167, and I keep jumping back and forth between 164 and 167. ANd it has everything to do with my focus. Am I exercising routinely? Am I drinking my water? (a big factor) Am I snacking between meals? Am I eating too many carbs that aren't simply veggies and fruit?

The thing is, it requires mindfulness. Think of your body like a bank account. The exercise you do, along with the basic caloric requirements your body needs to survive are your deposits. Your BMR (usually your current weight times a factor for your age, times your activity level) is like your automatic deposit of your salary. The exercise deposits are the little extra cash you get here and there...insurance reimbursements...moonlighting...that kind of thing.

And your food that you consume are like the checks that you draw off of that account. ANd the little nibbles here and there during the day are like the ATM withdrawals that you forget to write down...or the little things you buy on point of service (because you are in the moment and you just HAVE to buy the little something that you really don't need).

It's about balancing your checkbook everyday. It's about creating a savings account. You know, eating far less than what you really need...and adding to that account with exercise. As you watch it grow (and you shrink), you become more committed to continuing on.

If you go out and blow a wad on some frivolous thing...and you've been saving up for a vacation...it isn't just the fact that now you've blown cash. It's also that you have to replace the cash you blew....just to break even. ANd then, you need to do more to get your account back to where you were. It's a waste of time. You lose interest.

ANd with weightloss...when you kind of piddle around, you also lose interest. You start to feel hopeless, like it doesn't work, nothing ever works, nothing ever will. But the reality is that you need to make it your top focus, just as you would saving money for a down payment for a house you want. Figure out the little things you can cut out...the stuff that doesn't matter to you that much. Do you drink coffee with cream? Change to lowfat, and then nonfat...and then to black. You can save 10 lbs. a year with that little trick.

Make a point to walk every single a.m., even if you don't have a lot of time, and you decide that you'll just get out there for 20 minutes. That gives you a little extra cushion in your account in case you take a couple of bites too much...and if you don't? Hey,, you'll be that much closer to your goal.

It requires focused vigilence. Focused. Try not to focus on the deprivation, but on what you are gaining (or in your case, losing!)...for example, if financially you decide to save money by cutting out your daily Starbucks...if you focus on the deprivation, you'll be right back doing it. Now, three dollars may not seem much (actually, it's slightly more than $3) but in a year, you've saved $1095. Right? It adds up. SO, think upon the goal.

If you are 100 lbs. overweight, all it takes is 96 extra calories more than you require each day over the span of 10 years to gain that weight. 96 calories ain't much. So, you can see...it's the little things that may make all of the difference. The extra bagel half. The piece of bread. Two pats of butter instead of one. A couple of bites too many.

It's easy to think these little things don't matter...but they do.

I'm in the process of doing both a financial and a calorie inventory. And I find the analogy useful. When you cut out certain expenditures, you find they don't matter after a while. You don't miss them. SImilar to little habits that you develop in your eating.

I made a lit of all of the money I waste on little things: I live in the City, so if I don't have enough quarters on me...my meter runs out and I get a ticket. This happens frequently. ANd then I don't pay the ticket right away. So it goes from $35 to $70 in a shake. All because I failed to put in an extra 50 cents. SO, now I am prepared. I keep a role of quarters with me. Just like I keep certain foods with me.

I spend between $4 and $10 dollars a day for lunch. I throw most of it away, because the portion sizes are huge. During the week day, assuming an average of $6 a day, and discounting weekends, that's $1566 a year. Over 10 years, that's $15,660. Add that to ten years worth of cofee, and that's about $27,000! Calories are similar. The little things add up.

So , others, myself...just remember, if you overdraw your account, you won't make progress towards your goals. I ate a bit more than I should (yes, much much much less than in the past...but still, too much for me now) yesterday. So I walked for 2 hours, and today I'm going to the gym to work out. I will put in extra time and work out every day this weekend to try and make up for the extra calories I ate.

And let me tell you: it's much easier to limit the calories you eat then it is work off extra calories. Just like it is much easier to curb your spending than it is to go out and moonlight and "find" extra money here and there. The best thing to do is a combination of both. Then you will make real progress. And put off that splurge. A moment of satisfaction will never make up for the joy of your ultimate goal: having the surgery and starting a new life.

With calories, I get into the "was that worth it mode". If I take a bite of something, and it just doesn't taste good enough to justify the calories (I generally apply this theory to "extra eating") I stop and think, "Is this worth the calories? Is this worth an extra hour on the elliptical? Will I be glad that I ate this?" If not,well, I spit it out. Really. I spit out food that I realize isn't worth it.

ANd I don't put off exercising, either...or I try not to. Think of it this way: if you write a bad check, and you realize that you don't have enough in your account to cover it...you scoot down to the bank and put in a deposit, or transfer funds from your savings ASAP. Now, failing to exercise to pay for your "overdraft" means that you have no deposit to make. So, then you have to rely up on your "savings" from the past few days. But that takes money away from your goal to buy that house. And doing it with the calories means that you will be slowed down in your achievement of the weightloss goal.

So, think about whether you are "overdrawing" your account when you reach for something. And the only way to really know where you are is to keep a balanced checkbook that includes EVERYTHING, including the little ATM transactions and the transaction fees. SO, if you have a pedometer, and you try to do 10,000 steps a day, and you notice that one day you only did 5,000...well...that's a major difference in the balance you have to spend for that day. SO, you need to either get out there and walk for that 10,000 more...or you need to tighten your belt for the rest of the day.

Write everything down for a while. ANd periodically do it again if you don't see your weight moving in the right direction. Get a real snapshot of where you are. Be honest about the little things. The bites here and there as you cook. The little piece of candy that you pop in your mouth. Maybe it's only 60 calories, or even 30. But if you eat that...and then you add some half and half to your coffee once that day...you've just gone over your "budget". ANd you can recover. But, if you keep doing that on a consistent basis...you are going to have troubles.

OK guys!!! We can do this! We are smart, competent, mindful, capable...and darn it, people like us!!

Robynn wrote:

I am also having a tough time with my weight, I try to exercise, but I also keep eating. I want to lose the extra 25 punds I need to get the surgery. but it is really hard. the closest I have come is 465, and I need to be down to 440> >> > I have my appointment on December 2nd with Beth Goodridge. I CAN'T > > stop eating everything in site. I am so scared to go to the > > appointment because I know I haven't lost weight. And then with > > Thanksgiving coming, I'll really be in big trouble. I need some > words > > of

encouragement! Did any of you have any problems losing the weight > > before surgery?> >>

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That's one approach...challenging it through the regulators. However, keep in mind that the first 10 percent you lose comes off your internal organs, and helps your liver to become less enlarged. (Most obese people have enlarged livers). Hence your surgery will be less dangerous. And, depending upon your starting weight, it may make the difference between an open surgery and a LAP surgery. The 10 percent serves 4 purposes: 1. making you a safer candidate, whatever your starting weight, for the surgery. 2. the less subcutaneous fat you have, the better the scars will be. 3. following a regimen for a period of time during your weight loss can help you adapt some habits that you will need to have down pat during your post surgery time and 4. It gives you time to think about the step you are taking...and you have to do it in a practical way. Because you are limiting your food intake, and guess what?

You will still have to do that post surgery and for the rest of your life.

Here's the thing. Yes, in the first few months it is easy as pie. (bad metaphor). Easy in the sense that you aren't typically very hungry, you can't consume much...and you may have aversions to certain high fat, high sugar foods. Thta makes you lose weight quickly, and you think it will always be so so easy.

But, then your habits (good ones) need to kick in to get you the rest of the way, and to help you maintain. Right now, I'm hovering. I need to lose between 10 and 12 lbs. to be at a "normal" weight according to the BMI scale. I need to lose close to 20 lbs. to reach the goal weigh Dr. Fisher and I originally came up with. ANd to meet my own goal, I need to lose nerly 30 lbs.

Things have slowed down. ANd I can eat more. And I crave certain things from time to time. ANd even when I'm NOT hungry, I find myself still having the instinct to eat for emotional reasons.

These are habits I still struggle with. WHile I'm not eating an exorbitant amount, I think that if I focused more on some of the patterns and habits, etc...my weight loss wouldn't have slowed down quite this much. (some of it is natural, the closer you get to goal, the fewer calories per day you NEED to sustain your weight, thus you must limit your calories a lot more in order to shed the weight. But that requires greater mindfulness.)

It amazes me that six months out, there are days when I am eating close to 1200 calories. I think I'm "barely eating anything" but when I calculate it all out...it turns out that "nothing" is 1200. So, I wonder what it is when I know I've eaten too much? It hearkens back to my pre-surgery days...I think I often fooled myself about how much I ate. And remember (if you read my other long post) it doesn't require that you eat three buckets of KFC a day to be fat. Only 96 extra calories a day over a period of time.

SO...in my humble opinion...don't simply fight the decision that is based upon an indicator of success that has been studied over time (Kaiser is NOT the only place that requires the 10% weightloss...and it is NOT just an issue of insurance. There are many private pay surgeons that require the same exact thing. For health reasons, not because they are mean and are trying to deny you necessary care.)

I grumbled and cussed and moaned during my pre-surgery weightloss period. But now, I am glad I did that. Because I needed to get in the mode...and frankly, I probably could have used a little more time to really get these habits down. You see, in the beginning, when things are easy..you can get away with little cheats, etc.. and still lose weight. Plus, there is no challenge required to not eat a lot. your body simply won't let you. After a period of time, it still comes down to some discipline and focuse. That's just the simple truth.

We've all failed on countless diets, and so we are frustrated because we go in being certain we are going to fail at losing the 10 percent. But here's the thing: the surgery will zip us by a lot of the weightloss quickly. The instant gratification of seeing the scale zoom down is enough to keep you on track. But, when things slow up a bit, and you need to focus more, exercise more...well...then you will be glad that you practiced all of that before the surgery.

You are not being asked to lose 200 lbs. by your self. You are being asked to get your stuff together enough to lose 10 percent (some people have to lose a little more for health reasons), and then you will be given great assistance for the rest of the ride.

Use the resources available. Talk to the psych folks that are connected with the bariatric program. Read books. Find a walking buddy who is ruthless. Get a pedometer so that you can be honest about how much you are moving each day. Get an old checkbook register (unused) and start a calorie in/calorie out log, much like you would do your money in the checkbook. Be honest with yourself. Figure out the calories you've consumed up to dinnertime. That way you have a good read and you won't fool yourself into believing you can eat a bunch because, "I really didn't eat that much today." And before you put something in your mouth (something that is gonig beyond your 1200 calories) think about whether it is worth it. Whether it is going to overdraw your account. Whether it is gonig to push you off one more day from reaching the other side.

Trite but true: NOTHING tastes as good as being thin feels. And that's the truth.

Robynn LLLORY@... wrote:

Jeanne, I think that at some point Laurie W. posted tothe list that you could get the DMHC to override the10% rule. I would give them a try. It is worth ashot. Kaiser is withholding what even they considernecessary medical treatment for you. Call them! Like, today!Laurie __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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That's one approach...challenging it through the regulators. However, keep in mind that the first 10 percent you lose comes off your internal organs, and helps your liver to become less enlarged. (Most obese people have enlarged livers). Hence your surgery will be less dangerous. And, depending upon your starting weight, it may make the difference between an open surgery and a LAP surgery. The 10 percent serves 4 purposes: 1. making you a safer candidate, whatever your starting weight, for the surgery. 2. the less subcutaneous fat you have, the better the scars will be. 3. following a regimen for a period of time during your weight loss can help you adapt some habits that you will need to have down pat during your post surgery time and 4. It gives you time to think about the step you are taking...and you have to do it in a practical way. Because you are limiting your food intake, and guess what?

You will still have to do that post surgery and for the rest of your life.

Here's the thing. Yes, in the first few months it is easy as pie. (bad metaphor). Easy in the sense that you aren't typically very hungry, you can't consume much...and you may have aversions to certain high fat, high sugar foods. Thta makes you lose weight quickly, and you think it will always be so so easy.

But, then your habits (good ones) need to kick in to get you the rest of the way, and to help you maintain. Right now, I'm hovering. I need to lose between 10 and 12 lbs. to be at a "normal" weight according to the BMI scale. I need to lose close to 20 lbs. to reach the goal weigh Dr. Fisher and I originally came up with. ANd to meet my own goal, I need to lose nerly 30 lbs.

Things have slowed down. ANd I can eat more. And I crave certain things from time to time. ANd even when I'm NOT hungry, I find myself still having the instinct to eat for emotional reasons.

These are habits I still struggle with. WHile I'm not eating an exorbitant amount, I think that if I focused more on some of the patterns and habits, etc...my weight loss wouldn't have slowed down quite this much. (some of it is natural, the closer you get to goal, the fewer calories per day you NEED to sustain your weight, thus you must limit your calories a lot more in order to shed the weight. But that requires greater mindfulness.)

It amazes me that six months out, there are days when I am eating close to 1200 calories. I think I'm "barely eating anything" but when I calculate it all out...it turns out that "nothing" is 1200. So, I wonder what it is when I know I've eaten too much? It hearkens back to my pre-surgery days...I think I often fooled myself about how much I ate. And remember (if you read my other long post) it doesn't require that you eat three buckets of KFC a day to be fat. Only 96 extra calories a day over a period of time.

SO...in my humble opinion...don't simply fight the decision that is based upon an indicator of success that has been studied over time (Kaiser is NOT the only place that requires the 10% weightloss...and it is NOT just an issue of insurance. There are many private pay surgeons that require the same exact thing. For health reasons, not because they are mean and are trying to deny you necessary care.)

I grumbled and cussed and moaned during my pre-surgery weightloss period. But now, I am glad I did that. Because I needed to get in the mode...and frankly, I probably could have used a little more time to really get these habits down. You see, in the beginning, when things are easy..you can get away with little cheats, etc.. and still lose weight. Plus, there is no challenge required to not eat a lot. your body simply won't let you. After a period of time, it still comes down to some discipline and focuse. That's just the simple truth.

We've all failed on countless diets, and so we are frustrated because we go in being certain we are going to fail at losing the 10 percent. But here's the thing: the surgery will zip us by a lot of the weightloss quickly. The instant gratification of seeing the scale zoom down is enough to keep you on track. But, when things slow up a bit, and you need to focus more, exercise more...well...then you will be glad that you practiced all of that before the surgery.

You are not being asked to lose 200 lbs. by your self. You are being asked to get your stuff together enough to lose 10 percent (some people have to lose a little more for health reasons), and then you will be given great assistance for the rest of the ride.

Use the resources available. Talk to the psych folks that are connected with the bariatric program. Read books. Find a walking buddy who is ruthless. Get a pedometer so that you can be honest about how much you are moving each day. Get an old checkbook register (unused) and start a calorie in/calorie out log, much like you would do your money in the checkbook. Be honest with yourself. Figure out the calories you've consumed up to dinnertime. That way you have a good read and you won't fool yourself into believing you can eat a bunch because, "I really didn't eat that much today." And before you put something in your mouth (something that is gonig beyond your 1200 calories) think about whether it is worth it. Whether it is going to overdraw your account. Whether it is gonig to push you off one more day from reaching the other side.

Trite but true: NOTHING tastes as good as being thin feels. And that's the truth.

Robynn LLLORY@... wrote:

Jeanne, I think that at some point Laurie W. posted tothe list that you could get the DMHC to override the10% rule. I would give them a try. It is worth ashot. Kaiser is withholding what even they considernecessary medical treatment for you. Call them! Like, today!Laurie __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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Laurie It isn't easy and after WLS a major surgery it isn't easy either. That is why you need to make it a success before surgery so you don't mess it up after. These rules are there not to hurt any one but to help you be prepared for the rest of your life. Take care, you can do it. DonnaLLLORY@... wrote: It just ain't easy! I was good for a week, two weeks,and kept falling off the wagon. I wish I were moreconsistent.Laurie __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Donna

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