sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

[Guest guest]

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith,

I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again and that

Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one thing you don't have

to worry about!

I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a thing for you or

your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are there any other health issues?

Is he fussy after eating? Does he vomit as you said only when crying for a long

time or is this a common thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all

up to this point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith,

I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again and that

Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one thing you don't have

to worry about!

I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a thing for you or

your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are there any other health issues?

Is he fussy after eating? Does he vomit as you said only when crying for a long

time or is this a common thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all

up to this point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Faith

Based on the experience with my oldest daughter, the best way was controlled

crying. I know it sounds horrible but it can range from 3 days (what it took

me) to a couple of weeks of hell but they finally get. The vomiting is a

concern but the maternal nurse advised to walk in a wipe it up, reassure them

and then leave them again. What you can also do, to get him ready to sleep on

his own is by letting him fall asleep in your bed and then transferring him over

once he is fast asleep.

Anyway, this is what worked for me.

Cheers

andra

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take naps

with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a

night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm

still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any

of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I guarantee

there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I can't get

anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before onthe

subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Faith

Based on the experience with my oldest daughter, the best way was controlled

crying. I know it sounds horrible but it can range from 3 days (what it took

me) to a couple of weeks of hell but they finally get. The vomiting is a

concern but the maternal nurse advised to walk in a wipe it up, reassure them

and then leave them again. What you can also do, to get him ready to sleep on

his own is by letting him fall asleep in your bed and then transferring him over

once he is fast asleep.

Anyway, this is what worked for me.

Cheers

andra

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take naps

with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a

night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm

still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any

of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I guarantee

there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I can't get

anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before onthe

subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

GAbe is 13 months old now... Gabe has craniosynostosis (sagitall) which has

already been corrected and is no longer an issue and some mild hydronephrosis in

his left kidney( no big deal there). Other than that, no other issues. Also, the

vomiting is just a hypothetical scenario... I apparently HATED my crib as a

baby. My mom never could get me to sleep in one... every time she tried, I guess

I vomited all over it. So maybe abhorrence of cribs is genetic lol:) Also,

you'll have to explain a few terms for me: babywearing, ap parent and crunchy

parent?

wrote: Faith,

I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again and that

Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one thing you don't have

to worry about!

I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a thing for you or

your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are there any other health issues?

Is he fussy after eating? Does he vomit as you said only when crying for a long

time or is this a common thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all

up to this point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

GAbe is 13 months old now... Gabe has craniosynostosis (sagitall) which has

already been corrected and is no longer an issue and some mild hydronephrosis in

his left kidney( no big deal there). Other than that, no other issues. Also, the

vomiting is just a hypothetical scenario... I apparently HATED my crib as a

baby. My mom never could get me to sleep in one... every time she tried, I guess

I vomited all over it. So maybe abhorrence of cribs is genetic lol:) Also,

you'll have to explain a few terms for me: babywearing, ap parent and crunchy

parent?

wrote: Faith,

I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again and that

Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one thing you don't have

to worry about!

I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a thing for you or

your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are there any other health issues?

Is he fussy after eating? Does he vomit as you said only when crying for a long

time or is this a common thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all

up to this point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

LOL I have a tendency to think some of those kinds of attitudes are inherited.

I hate using a stroller. I didn't like it when I was a kid and I would rather

have her closer to me so of course my daughter hates the stroller as well. LOL

Perhaps Gabe isn't going to be a crib kid. And that certainly works.

Babywearing is using slings and such to keep them close to you instead of having

to use your arms to carry them everywhere. We use mei tais, slings, wraps and

I've recently discovered pouches. is 15 mos old and she knows that she

can be up where the action is as well as being close to momma whenever possible

so it makes her content to be alone when necessary. Does that make sense?

Crunch and AP are terms associated with attachment parenting. Just wondered

because my recommendations might be different if you were a bit crunchy.

So he's not fussy after eating? Never had issues there? Doesn't cough much?

No hiccups to speak of? I was wondering if his sleeping issues might have been

related to undiagnosed problems with gerd which can make a kid miserable even in

to their second and third year and can prevent peaceful sleep long before

someone finally notices and does something about it.

Going on the assumption that he's perfectly healthy then you need to decide what

your limits are and what your final goal will be and take the baby steps to get

there. Do you want him in a crib in your room? His room? Are you going to

skip the crib and move him to a bed in his room? What bed time routine to you

want to establish? Is he on a normal sleep schedule at all or do you need to

start with that and go up from there? And so on. Then plan your steps

accordingly. Working on one goal at a time makes it easier and as you move

along, the later goals seem to just happen. Perhaps you can start with having

him sleep in your bed but move him to your floor when you come in for bed or

whatever and then go from there. But go with your gut on the CIO thing - it can

be done without Ferberizing your child. Even Dr. Ferber himself said that his

method is often misused and that he wouldn't put his own kids through that.

No matter what you do, a calming routine is absolutely necessary no matter how

old your kids are. It just sets the tone and is very comforting to them even

when they grow up. So if you don't have one, sit down and decide what it's

goign to be and start there assuming he has a normal sleep schedule. If not,

then you'd need to do both of these things at the same time. If you want more

info on that sleep schedule thing let me know.

Most of my kids have been very easy sleepers - probably because I'm a very

organized scheduled person and I keep us on consistent routines a lot. However

our second gave us pause... He had some reflux issues so he slept with us for

awhile. Getting him to go to the crib was not exactly easy so... I found a

trundle frame and purchased a bunkie board and a regular mattress. The total

height was much less than a normal twin or toddler bed and it could last awhile

so I thought it a good investment. We started by putting him to bed next to me

on the floor with the mattress only. He loved sleeping on his own big boy bed.

When that was successful, with times of night nursing still a part of our

routine, I put the bed on the frame and bunkie and moved it to the wall away

from my bed and used a rail to be sure he was safe. When we got through that we

started making space for a bed in his room. This was a big deal. Then on a

Friday night we moved the bed in there and we cuddled up on it and read his

favorite books. At bed time he headed for our room but I reminded him that his

new big boy bed was waiting in his room, with night light and music of course.

It took some time but he did make the transition. We did spend a few minutes

each night just holding him while he started to drift after his book and we

always played the heartbeat music for him. After a few weeks of him in his big

boy bed we came in to find him asleep in the crib that was still in his room.

Apparently he decided that it was okay on his own. So while we always put him

to sleep in his big boy bed, the crib was a favorite place for sleeping too. It

worked for us.

Anyway, there are several good books on sleeping that don't employ the ferber

method but are successful for many parents. " Sleeping through the Night " and

others. I'll look up that list somewhere in my files if you want it.

Hope something here or from someone else helps!

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

LOL I have a tendency to think some of those kinds of attitudes are inherited.

I hate using a stroller. I didn't like it when I was a kid and I would rather

have her closer to me so of course my daughter hates the stroller as well. LOL

Perhaps Gabe isn't going to be a crib kid. And that certainly works.

Babywearing is using slings and such to keep them close to you instead of having

to use your arms to carry them everywhere. We use mei tais, slings, wraps and

I've recently discovered pouches. is 15 mos old and she knows that she

can be up where the action is as well as being close to momma whenever possible

so it makes her content to be alone when necessary. Does that make sense?

Crunch and AP are terms associated with attachment parenting. Just wondered

because my recommendations might be different if you were a bit crunchy.

So he's not fussy after eating? Never had issues there? Doesn't cough much?

No hiccups to speak of? I was wondering if his sleeping issues might have been

related to undiagnosed problems with gerd which can make a kid miserable even in

to their second and third year and can prevent peaceful sleep long before

someone finally notices and does something about it.

Going on the assumption that he's perfectly healthy then you need to decide what

your limits are and what your final goal will be and take the baby steps to get

there. Do you want him in a crib in your room? His room? Are you going to

skip the crib and move him to a bed in his room? What bed time routine to you

want to establish? Is he on a normal sleep schedule at all or do you need to

start with that and go up from there? And so on. Then plan your steps

accordingly. Working on one goal at a time makes it easier and as you move

along, the later goals seem to just happen. Perhaps you can start with having

him sleep in your bed but move him to your floor when you come in for bed or

whatever and then go from there. But go with your gut on the CIO thing - it can

be done without Ferberizing your child. Even Dr. Ferber himself said that his

method is often misused and that he wouldn't put his own kids through that.

No matter what you do, a calming routine is absolutely necessary no matter how

old your kids are. It just sets the tone and is very comforting to them even

when they grow up. So if you don't have one, sit down and decide what it's

goign to be and start there assuming he has a normal sleep schedule. If not,

then you'd need to do both of these things at the same time. If you want more

info on that sleep schedule thing let me know.

Most of my kids have been very easy sleepers - probably because I'm a very

organized scheduled person and I keep us on consistent routines a lot. However

our second gave us pause... He had some reflux issues so he slept with us for

awhile. Getting him to go to the crib was not exactly easy so... I found a

trundle frame and purchased a bunkie board and a regular mattress. The total

height was much less than a normal twin or toddler bed and it could last awhile

so I thought it a good investment. We started by putting him to bed next to me

on the floor with the mattress only. He loved sleeping on his own big boy bed.

When that was successful, with times of night nursing still a part of our

routine, I put the bed on the frame and bunkie and moved it to the wall away

from my bed and used a rail to be sure he was safe. When we got through that we

started making space for a bed in his room. This was a big deal. Then on a

Friday night we moved the bed in there and we cuddled up on it and read his

favorite books. At bed time he headed for our room but I reminded him that his

new big boy bed was waiting in his room, with night light and music of course.

It took some time but he did make the transition. We did spend a few minutes

each night just holding him while he started to drift after his book and we

always played the heartbeat music for him. After a few weeks of him in his big

boy bed we came in to find him asleep in the crib that was still in his room.

Apparently he decided that it was okay on his own. So while we always put him

to sleep in his big boy bed, the crib was a favorite place for sleeping too. It

worked for us.

Anyway, there are several good books on sleeping that don't employ the ferber

method but are successful for many parents. " Sleeping through the Night " and

others. I'll look up that list somewhere in my files if you want it.

Hope something here or from someone else helps!

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

's VERY busy when she's down. But up it seems to calm her and she just

goes with the flow. We use it a lot just before any nighty night time. You can

see her eyes getting heavier as time goes on.

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

's VERY busy when she's down. But up it seems to calm her and she just

goes with the flow. We use it a lot just before any nighty night time. You can

see her eyes getting heavier as time goes on.

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Got the babywearing thing figured out... HA! no, haven't tried that yet.. been

considering it though... I'm not sure how Gabe would tolerate it... He's a

pretty busy kid... not much of a bystander so to speak.

faith slattery wrote:

GAbe is 13 months old now... Gabe has craniosynostosis (sagitall) which has

already been corrected and is no longer an issue and some mild hydronephrosis in

his left kidney( no big deal there). Other than that, no other issues. Also, the

vomiting is just a hypothetical scenario... I apparently HATED my crib as a

baby. My mom never could get me to sleep in one... every time she tried, I guess

I vomited all over it. So maybe abhorrence of cribs is genetic lol:) Also,

you'll have to explain a few terms for me: babywearing, ap parent and crunchy

parent?

wrote: Faith,

I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again and that

Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one thing you don't have

to worry about!

I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a thing for you or

your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are there any other health issues?

Is he fussy after eating? Does he vomit as you said only when crying for a long

time or is this a common thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all

up to this point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Got the babywearing thing figured out... HA! no, haven't tried that yet.. been

considering it though... I'm not sure how Gabe would tolerate it... He's a

pretty busy kid... not much of a bystander so to speak.

faith slattery wrote:

GAbe is 13 months old now... Gabe has craniosynostosis (sagitall) which has

already been corrected and is no longer an issue and some mild hydronephrosis in

his left kidney( no big deal there). Other than that, no other issues. Also, the

vomiting is just a hypothetical scenario... I apparently HATED my crib as a

baby. My mom never could get me to sleep in one... every time she tried, I guess

I vomited all over it. So maybe abhorrence of cribs is genetic lol:) Also,

you'll have to explain a few terms for me: babywearing, ap parent and crunchy

parent?

wrote: Faith,

I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again and that

Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one thing you don't have

to worry about!

I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a thing for you or

your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are there any other health issues?

Is he fussy after eating? Does he vomit as you said only when crying for a long

time or is this a common thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all

up to this point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith,

I don't know if I have the answer for you but I wanted you to know I

certainly feel for you. It sounds like you have been through so much

already, just remember that it can only get better. You've been a

GREAT mom and done all the right things to make sure Gabe is taken

care of. Now, what about you? Here is a suggestion: Get him a

regular bed instead of a crib, put safety bars on the side. Start by

lying down with him just like you normally do then gradually start

leaving him, i.e. once he falls asleep stay for 10 minutes, then get

up. If he wakes up, wait 4-5 minutes before you go to him, gradually

increase this time. Whenever you lie down with him again stay until

he falls asleep and then leave, gradually decreasing the time you stay

with him. Eventually you will be able to leave before he falls asleep

(if this works). Now when I say " gradually " I mean like this could

take a 2-3 weeks or more. If you can do it you will be *more* sleep

deprived than ever for a while (i.e. it will require you to get up

multiple times during the night) but in the end you should have a

happy baby who sleeps through the night.

Other ideas: get him a propping pillow that he can use to side sleep

in the bar, play a CD of lullaby music, nature sounds, or water

sounds. Record yourself sleeping (breathing) and play that for him.

Experiment with different music or sounds to see what works. Most

babies and children love music, you just have to find what works for

him. My son sleeps through the night almost all the time but if he

ever wakes and can't get himself back to sleep I just have to turn on

his music and he falls back to sleep instantly.

Hope this is of some help to you,

-- In nosurgery4clubfoot , faith slattery

<simone057@y...> wrote:

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to shove

Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously didn't work.

Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to live

with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We wound up going

straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides, and

living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was

transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE

joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again, but

EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've been

literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious sleep

association problems. He has always nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have

to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He

wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is

constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right there.He's 13

months old and is going through separation anxiety... HE uses my body

to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any of

these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits,

but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know

I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Faith,

I don't know if I have the answer for you but I wanted you to know I

certainly feel for you. It sounds like you have been through so much

already, just remember that it can only get better. You've been a

GREAT mom and done all the right things to make sure Gabe is taken

care of. Now, what about you? Here is a suggestion: Get him a

regular bed instead of a crib, put safety bars on the side. Start by

lying down with him just like you normally do then gradually start

leaving him, i.e. once he falls asleep stay for 10 minutes, then get

up. If he wakes up, wait 4-5 minutes before you go to him, gradually

increase this time. Whenever you lie down with him again stay until

he falls asleep and then leave, gradually decreasing the time you stay

with him. Eventually you will be able to leave before he falls asleep

(if this works). Now when I say " gradually " I mean like this could

take a 2-3 weeks or more. If you can do it you will be *more* sleep

deprived than ever for a while (i.e. it will require you to get up

multiple times during the night) but in the end you should have a

happy baby who sleeps through the night.

Other ideas: get him a propping pillow that he can use to side sleep

in the bar, play a CD of lullaby music, nature sounds, or water

sounds. Record yourself sleeping (breathing) and play that for him.

Experiment with different music or sounds to see what works. Most

babies and children love music, you just have to find what works for

him. My son sleeps through the night almost all the time but if he

ever wakes and can't get himself back to sleep I just have to turn on

his music and he falls back to sleep instantly.

Hope this is of some help to you,

-- In nosurgery4clubfoot , faith slattery

<simone057@y...> wrote:

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to shove

Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously didn't work.

Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to live

with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We wound up going

straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides, and

living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was

transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE

joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again, but

EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've been

literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious sleep

association problems. He has always nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have

to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He

wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is

constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right there.He's 13

months old and is going through separation anxiety... HE uses my body

to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any of

these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits,

but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know

I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have NEAR

the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few weeks

period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy could take

care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no sleep.. and she

had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down again.. my sister advised

the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy.. so another week and a half go

by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her to bed and she started screaming

her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the first time on the first night.. and then

again later for another 16 minutes and then again for another 12 and then 6...

that lasted 2 days... the third night she only woke once and cried for about 3

minutes and that was the last time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and

she's 18 months old now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she

was teething with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly out of

control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight.. she would die

down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4 minutes and so

forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night time, we put braces

on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when she feels like it.. lol

) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take naps

with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a

night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm

still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any

of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I guarantee

there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I can't get

anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before onthe

subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have NEAR

the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few weeks

period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy could take

care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no sleep.. and she

had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down again.. my sister advised

the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy.. so another week and a half go

by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her to bed and she started screaming

her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the first time on the first night.. and then

again later for another 16 minutes and then again for another 12 and then 6...

that lasted 2 days... the third night she only woke once and cried for about 3

minutes and that was the last time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and

she's 18 months old now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she

was teething with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly out of

control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight.. she would die

down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4 minutes and so

forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night time, we put braces

on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when she feels like it.. lol

) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take naps

with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a

night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm

still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any

of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I guarantee

there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I can't get

anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before onthe

subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

i do have to agree on the routine part.. they need a routine more than

anything.. i have grace on a very strict schedule.. not as bad as i used to be..

her nap, snacks, meals, blah blah blah... all at the same exact time of day

every day.. now that she's getting older and a little more independent i let her

tell me when she's ready for a nap.. and some times that's earlier than others..

but i still keep her to a routine... that may help to get a bed time routine...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

wrote:

's VERY busy when she's down. But up it seems to calm her and she just

goes with the flow. We use it a lot just before any nighty night time. You can

see her eyes getting heavier as time goes on.

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

i do have to agree on the routine part.. they need a routine more than

anything.. i have grace on a very strict schedule.. not as bad as i used to be..

her nap, snacks, meals, blah blah blah... all at the same exact time of day

every day.. now that she's getting older and a little more independent i let her

tell me when she's ready for a nap.. and some times that's earlier than others..

but i still keep her to a routine... that may help to get a bed time routine...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

wrote:

's VERY busy when she's down. But up it seems to calm her and she just

goes with the flow. We use it a lot just before any nighty night time. You can

see her eyes getting heavier as time goes on.

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes, I do think that is a lot of our problem... Lack of a routine. I've been

trying to establish one, but the kid seems to hate sleep sometimes... About

every two days he goes on a no-sleep rampage where we're up til 4AM... then he

wants to sleep all day. He's never had any reflux associated stuff going on.

He's never spit up much.... I think the one time he did do a lot of spitting up

was after his cranio surgery. He used to have hippups a lot, but certainly not

recently. I 've never noticed any fussiness after eating... I 'll be showing

this email to my hubby tonight. He's been pretty understanding about everything,

but this will help validate my actions... DEal with Gabe first... house second.

Sometimes he forgets that I separated the Air Force to be a full time mom, not a

house keeper. I've been telling him for a few weeks now that I need to start

scheduling Gabe's day.... Breakfast at a certain hour... time outside...

walks.... baths... bedtime, but that initailly will leave

little time for unpacking... cooking... stripping the world ugliest wall paper

of our living room wall.... Thanks for your suggestions! I'm still curious about

what AP and crunchy parenting is:)

wrote:LOL I have a tendency to think some of

those kinds of attitudes are inherited. I hate using a stroller. I didn't like

it when I was a kid and I would rather have her closer to me so of course my

daughter hates the stroller as well. LOL Perhaps Gabe isn't going to be a

crib kid. And that certainly works.

Babywearing is using slings and such to keep them close to you instead of having

to use your arms to carry them everywhere. We use mei tais, slings, wraps and

I've recently discovered pouches. is 15 mos old and she knows that she

can be up where the action is as well as being close to momma whenever possible

so it makes her content to be alone when necessary. Does that make sense?

Crunch and AP are terms associated with attachment parenting. Just wondered

because my recommendations might be different if you were a bit crunchy.

So he's not fussy after eating? Never had issues there? Doesn't cough much?

No hiccups to speak of? I was wondering if his sleeping issues might have been

related to undiagnosed problems with gerd which can make a kid miserable even in

to their second and third year and can prevent peaceful sleep long before

someone finally notices and does something about it.

Going on the assumption that he's perfectly healthy then you need to decide what

your limits are and what your final goal will be and take the baby steps to get

there. Do you want him in a crib in your room? His room? Are you going to

skip the crib and move him to a bed in his room? What bed time routine to you

want to establish? Is he on a normal sleep schedule at all or do you need to

start with that and go up from there? And so on. Then plan your steps

accordingly. Working on one goal at a time makes it easier and as you move

along, the later goals seem to just happen. Perhaps you can start with having

him sleep in your bed but move him to your floor when you come in for bed or

whatever and then go from there. But go with your gut on the CIO thing - it can

be done without Ferberizing your child. Even Dr. Ferber himself said that his

method is often misused and that he wouldn't put his own kids through that.

No matter what you do, a calming routine is absolutely necessary no matter how

old your kids are. It just sets the tone and is very comforting to them even

when they grow up. So if you don't have one, sit down and decide what it's

goign to be and start there assuming he has a normal sleep schedule. If not,

then you'd need to do both of these things at the same time. If you want more

info on that sleep schedule thing let me know.

Most of my kids have been very easy sleepers - probably because I'm a very

organized scheduled person and I keep us on consistent routines a lot. However

our second gave us pause... He had some reflux issues so he slept with us for

awhile. Getting him to go to the crib was not exactly easy so... I found a

trundle frame and purchased a bunkie board and a regular mattress. The total

height was much less than a normal twin or toddler bed and it could last awhile

so I thought it a good investment. We started by putting him to bed next to me

on the floor with the mattress only. He loved sleeping on his own big boy bed.

When that was successful, with times of night nursing still a part of our

routine, I put the bed on the frame and bunkie and moved it to the wall away

from my bed and used a rail to be sure he was safe. When we got through that we

started making space for a bed in his room. This was a big deal. Then on a

Friday night we moved the bed in there and we cuddled up

on it and read his favorite books. At bed time he headed for our room but I

reminded him that his new big boy bed was waiting in his room, with night light

and music of course. It took some time but he did make the transition. We did

spend a few minutes each night just holding him while he started to drift after

his book and we always played the heartbeat music for him. After a few weeks of

him in his big boy bed we came in to find him asleep in the crib that was still

in his room. Apparently he decided that it was okay on his own. So while we

always put him to sleep in his big boy bed, the crib was a favorite place for

sleeping too. It worked for us.

Anyway, there are several good books on sleeping that don't employ the ferber

method but are successful for many parents. " Sleeping through the Night " and

others. I'll look up that list somewhere in my files if you want it.

Hope something here or from someone else helps!

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes, I do think that is a lot of our problem... Lack of a routine. I've been

trying to establish one, but the kid seems to hate sleep sometimes... About

every two days he goes on a no-sleep rampage where we're up til 4AM... then he

wants to sleep all day. He's never had any reflux associated stuff going on.

He's never spit up much.... I think the one time he did do a lot of spitting up

was after his cranio surgery. He used to have hippups a lot, but certainly not

recently. I 've never noticed any fussiness after eating... I 'll be showing

this email to my hubby tonight. He's been pretty understanding about everything,

but this will help validate my actions... DEal with Gabe first... house second.

Sometimes he forgets that I separated the Air Force to be a full time mom, not a

house keeper. I've been telling him for a few weeks now that I need to start

scheduling Gabe's day.... Breakfast at a certain hour... time outside...

walks.... baths... bedtime, but that initailly will leave

little time for unpacking... cooking... stripping the world ugliest wall paper

of our living room wall.... Thanks for your suggestions! I'm still curious about

what AP and crunchy parenting is:)

wrote:LOL I have a tendency to think some of

those kinds of attitudes are inherited. I hate using a stroller. I didn't like

it when I was a kid and I would rather have her closer to me so of course my

daughter hates the stroller as well. LOL Perhaps Gabe isn't going to be a

crib kid. And that certainly works.

Babywearing is using slings and such to keep them close to you instead of having

to use your arms to carry them everywhere. We use mei tais, slings, wraps and

I've recently discovered pouches. is 15 mos old and she knows that she

can be up where the action is as well as being close to momma whenever possible

so it makes her content to be alone when necessary. Does that make sense?

Crunch and AP are terms associated with attachment parenting. Just wondered

because my recommendations might be different if you were a bit crunchy.

So he's not fussy after eating? Never had issues there? Doesn't cough much?

No hiccups to speak of? I was wondering if his sleeping issues might have been

related to undiagnosed problems with gerd which can make a kid miserable even in

to their second and third year and can prevent peaceful sleep long before

someone finally notices and does something about it.

Going on the assumption that he's perfectly healthy then you need to decide what

your limits are and what your final goal will be and take the baby steps to get

there. Do you want him in a crib in your room? His room? Are you going to

skip the crib and move him to a bed in his room? What bed time routine to you

want to establish? Is he on a normal sleep schedule at all or do you need to

start with that and go up from there? And so on. Then plan your steps

accordingly. Working on one goal at a time makes it easier and as you move

along, the later goals seem to just happen. Perhaps you can start with having

him sleep in your bed but move him to your floor when you come in for bed or

whatever and then go from there. But go with your gut on the CIO thing - it can

be done without Ferberizing your child. Even Dr. Ferber himself said that his

method is often misused and that he wouldn't put his own kids through that.

No matter what you do, a calming routine is absolutely necessary no matter how

old your kids are. It just sets the tone and is very comforting to them even

when they grow up. So if you don't have one, sit down and decide what it's

goign to be and start there assuming he has a normal sleep schedule. If not,

then you'd need to do both of these things at the same time. If you want more

info on that sleep schedule thing let me know.

Most of my kids have been very easy sleepers - probably because I'm a very

organized scheduled person and I keep us on consistent routines a lot. However

our second gave us pause... He had some reflux issues so he slept with us for

awhile. Getting him to go to the crib was not exactly easy so... I found a

trundle frame and purchased a bunkie board and a regular mattress. The total

height was much less than a normal twin or toddler bed and it could last awhile

so I thought it a good investment. We started by putting him to bed next to me

on the floor with the mattress only. He loved sleeping on his own big boy bed.

When that was successful, with times of night nursing still a part of our

routine, I put the bed on the frame and bunkie and moved it to the wall away

from my bed and used a rail to be sure he was safe. When we got through that we

started making space for a bed in his room. This was a big deal. Then on a

Friday night we moved the bed in there and we cuddled up

on it and read his favorite books. At bed time he headed for our room but I

reminded him that his new big boy bed was waiting in his room, with night light

and music of course. It took some time but he did make the transition. We did

spend a few minutes each night just holding him while he started to drift after

his book and we always played the heartbeat music for him. After a few weeks of

him in his big boy bed we came in to find him asleep in the crib that was still

in his room. Apparently he decided that it was okay on his own. So while we

always put him to sleep in his big boy bed, the crib was a favorite place for

sleeping too. It worked for us.

Anyway, there are several good books on sleeping that don't employ the ferber

method but are successful for many parents. " Sleeping through the Night " and

others. I'll look up that list somewhere in my files if you want it.

Hope something here or from someone else helps!

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith,

Chris' mention of GERD reminded me of a couple other things I wanted

to suggest. Have you tried a different sleeping location or position?

Some babies prefer to sleep more upright -- some parents I know have

luck with getting them to sleep in bouncy seats or reclined car seats.

They just put the seat in the crib (with mattress on lowest setting)

and baby sleeps comfortably. Possibly just a simple incline to the

mattress would help him if it is reflux related. Has he had any

trouble with his ears? I know lying down flat can be bothersome if

they have ear aches. What about location, is there too much noise or

light or anything unusual about the airflow in his room? Try letting

him sleep in a different room, either in the crib or any other make

shift bed you can come up with. I think if you can solve the

attachment thing and get him to sleep on his own then it should be

easier to gradually get him to a bed in his own room. When I was on

maternity leave w/ Sammy I had the hardest time getting him to take

naps, he could fall asleep nursing and be totally out, but as soon as

I would lay him down he would wake right up, wanting to nurse more.

The first week I went back to work he had to take a bottle of breast

milk (which of course we had practiced before), but he did not fall

asleep taking it so then my husband was there with a full-tummied,

sleepy but wide-awake baby -- he just put him in bed, turned on him

mobile and Sammy fell asleep watching it. I always thought he had to

be asleep before I could put him in bed but he totally surprised me by

being able to fall asleep during the day with us making noise in the

next room (maybe this comforted him knowing we were close by). Now I

put him down to sleep awake all the time and he falls off to sleep by

himself.

Again, hope this helps a little,

Faith,

> I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again

and that Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one

thing you don't have to worry about!

>

> I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a

thing for you or your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are

there any other health issues? Is he fussy after eating? Does he

vomit as you said only when crying for a long time or is this a common

thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all up to this

point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

> Chris

> sleeping issues (ready to take

advice now)

>

>

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to shove

Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously didn't work.

Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to live

with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We wound up going

straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides, and

living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was

transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE

joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again, but

EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've been

literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious sleep

association problems. He has always nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him...

He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is

constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right there.He's 13

months old and is going through separation anxiety... HE uses my body

to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any of

these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits,

but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know

I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Faith,

Chris' mention of GERD reminded me of a couple other things I wanted

to suggest. Have you tried a different sleeping location or position?

Some babies prefer to sleep more upright -- some parents I know have

luck with getting them to sleep in bouncy seats or reclined car seats.

They just put the seat in the crib (with mattress on lowest setting)

and baby sleeps comfortably. Possibly just a simple incline to the

mattress would help him if it is reflux related. Has he had any

trouble with his ears? I know lying down flat can be bothersome if

they have ear aches. What about location, is there too much noise or

light or anything unusual about the airflow in his room? Try letting

him sleep in a different room, either in the crib or any other make

shift bed you can come up with. I think if you can solve the

attachment thing and get him to sleep on his own then it should be

easier to gradually get him to a bed in his own room. When I was on

maternity leave w/ Sammy I had the hardest time getting him to take

naps, he could fall asleep nursing and be totally out, but as soon as

I would lay him down he would wake right up, wanting to nurse more.

The first week I went back to work he had to take a bottle of breast

milk (which of course we had practiced before), but he did not fall

asleep taking it so then my husband was there with a full-tummied,

sleepy but wide-awake baby -- he just put him in bed, turned on him

mobile and Sammy fell asleep watching it. I always thought he had to

be asleep before I could put him in bed but he totally surprised me by

being able to fall asleep during the day with us making noise in the

next room (maybe this comforted him knowing we were close by). Now I

put him down to sleep awake all the time and he falls off to sleep by

himself.

Again, hope this helps a little,

Faith,

> I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together again

and that Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one

thing you don't have to worry about!

>

> I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a

thing for you or your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are

there any other health issues? Is he fussy after eating? Does he

vomit as you said only when crying for a long time or is this a common

thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all up to this

point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

> Chris

> sleeping issues (ready to take

advice now)

>

>

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to shove

Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously didn't work.

Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to live

with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We wound up going

straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides, and

living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was

transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE

joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again, but

EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've been

literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious sleep

association problems. He has always nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him...

He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is

constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right there.He's 13

months old and is going through separation anxiety... HE uses my body

to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any of

these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits,

but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know

I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Routine is wonderful - for everyone. I have a whole system for the family

but I'm anal and that's a whole other email. ROFL!!!

AP/Crunchy - more letting children be children rather than small adults.

Accepting of them and molding/teaching them rather than forcing/drill sergeant.

(how's that for something you can relate to? LOL) More child focused rather

than expecting them to be something they aren't. There are some websites and

groups - note that you can be all the way or just part of the way. I'm not

exceedingly 'crunchy' in that I don't cloth diaper/eat tofu/etc. but I nursed

until she was ready to quit, I homeschooled preschool and will homeschool my

oldest again starting next year and we run our house taking children's needs in

to account and realizing that they are more important that any possession or

'have to' thing and so on. If you google " attachment parenting " you'll find a

lot of info. Some stuff a lot of parents do already. They just don't realize

it has a name.

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to

take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST

4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________