sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

[Guest guest]

Routine is wonderful - for everyone. I have a whole system for the family

but I'm anal and that's a whole other email. ROFL!!!

AP/Crunchy - more letting children be children rather than small adults.

Accepting of them and molding/teaching them rather than forcing/drill sergeant.

(how's that for something you can relate to? LOL) More child focused rather

than expecting them to be something they aren't. There are some websites and

groups - note that you can be all the way or just part of the way. I'm not

exceedingly 'crunchy' in that I don't cloth diaper/eat tofu/etc. but I nursed

until she was ready to quit, I homeschooled preschool and will homeschool my

oldest again starting next year and we run our house taking children's needs in

to account and realizing that they are more important that any possession or

'have to' thing and so on. If you google " attachment parenting " you'll find a

lot of info. Some stuff a lot of parents do already. They just don't realize

it has a name.

Chris

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to

take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST

4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow! That sounds great... If all else fails... maybe then we'll have to try it.

I don't think it would be nearly as hard without the other sleep association

issues. He needs to suck something to fall asleep and won't take a pacifier. I

think the worst thing is, I could nurse him to sleep, but then after he's

asleep, he's such a light sleeper I can't move him! I can barely move a muscle

in bed without waking him. It's incredible...He just doesn;t seem to crash the

way other kids do. Most kids I've been around, once they're asleep , you can

just move them wherever.... not GAbe, he wakes up immediately.

Caroland wrote:

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have NEAR

the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few weeks

period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy could take

care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no sleep.. and she

had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down again.. my sister advised

the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy.. so another week and a half go

by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her to bed and she started screaming

her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the first time on the first night.. and then

again later for another 16 minutes and then again for another 12 and then 6...

that lasted 2 days... the third night she only woke once and cried for about 3

minutes and that was the last time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and

she's 18 months old now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she

was teething with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly out of

control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight.. she would die

down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4 minutes and so

forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night time, we put braces

on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when she feels like it.. lol

) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take naps

with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a

night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm

still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any

of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I guarantee

there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I can't get

anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before onthe

subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow! That sounds great... If all else fails... maybe then we'll have to try it.

I don't think it would be nearly as hard without the other sleep association

issues. He needs to suck something to fall asleep and won't take a pacifier. I

think the worst thing is, I could nurse him to sleep, but then after he's

asleep, he's such a light sleeper I can't move him! I can barely move a muscle

in bed without waking him. It's incredible...He just doesn;t seem to crash the

way other kids do. Most kids I've been around, once they're asleep , you can

just move them wherever.... not GAbe, he wakes up immediately.

Caroland wrote:

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have NEAR

the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few weeks

period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy could take

care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no sleep.. and she

had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down again.. my sister advised

the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy.. so another week and a half go

by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her to bed and she started screaming

her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the first time on the first night.. and then

again later for another 16 minutes and then again for another 12 and then 6...

that lasted 2 days... the third night she only woke once and cried for about 3

minutes and that was the last time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and

she's 18 months old now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she

was teething with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly out of

control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight.. she would die

down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4 minutes and so

forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night time, we put braces

on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when she feels like it.. lol

) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take naps

with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a

night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm

still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any

of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I guarantee

there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I can't get

anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before onthe

subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith,

I just thought of something else. If Gabe is used to having you all to himself

and now Daddy is back in the picture full time, it could be making him feel less

secure with you. You might consider that as you deal with this issue.

Chris

Re: sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

Wow! That sounds great... If all else fails... maybe then we'll have to try

it. I don't think it would be nearly as hard without the other sleep association

issues. He needs to suck something to fall asleep and won't take a pacifier. I

think the worst thing is, I could nurse him to sleep, but then after he's

asleep, he's such a light sleeper I can't move him! I can barely move a muscle

in bed without waking him. It's incredible...He just doesn;t seem to crash the

way other kids do. Most kids I've been around, once they're asleep , you can

just move them wherever.... not GAbe, he wakes up immediately.

Caroland wrote:

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have

NEAR the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few weeks

period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy could take

care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no sleep.. and she

had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down again.. my sister advised

the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy.. so another week and a half go

by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her to bed and she started screaming

her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the first time on the first night.. and then

again later for another 16 minutes and then again for another 12 and then 6...

that lasted 2 days... the third night she only woke once and cried for about 3

minutes and that was the last time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and

she's 18 months old now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she

was teething with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly out of

control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight.. she would die

down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4 minutes and so

forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night time, we put braces

on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when she feels like it.. lol

) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith,

I just thought of something else. If Gabe is used to having you all to himself

and now Daddy is back in the picture full time, it could be making him feel less

secure with you. You might consider that as you deal with this issue.

Chris

Re: sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

Wow! That sounds great... If all else fails... maybe then we'll have to try

it. I don't think it would be nearly as hard without the other sleep association

issues. He needs to suck something to fall asleep and won't take a pacifier. I

think the worst thing is, I could nurse him to sleep, but then after he's

asleep, he's such a light sleeper I can't move him! I can barely move a muscle

in bed without waking him. It's incredible...He just doesn;t seem to crash the

way other kids do. Most kids I've been around, once they're asleep , you can

just move them wherever.... not GAbe, he wakes up immediately.

Caroland wrote:

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have

NEAR the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few weeks

period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy could take

care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no sleep.. and she

had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down again.. my sister advised

the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy.. so another week and a half go

by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her to bed and she started screaming

her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the first time on the first night.. and then

again later for another 16 minutes and then again for another 12 and then 6...

that lasted 2 days... the third night she only woke once and cried for about 3

minutes and that was the last time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and

she's 18 months old now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she

was teething with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly out of

control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight.. she would die

down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4 minutes and so

forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night time, we put braces

on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when she feels like it.. lol

) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST 4

times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking about how Aleksander started sleeping through the

night, and it happened when I was out of town on business and he was

home alone with dad. He was just about 3 months old then, and hasn't

really woken up after he's been in bed since then. And now, at 6

months, he sleeps 10 - 12 hours every night without a peep, and when

he wakes up, he plays by himself for a good 30 minutes before we go

in to get him.

I was wondering if perhaps your husband could help by helping you put

your son in bed instead of you. Perhaps having him change the

current routine would help both you and your son. He may have more

success, even though I'm sure your boy will cry at first. He also

may be better at dealing with the crying. Although I think the only

reason Aleksander slept through the night when I got back was becuase

my husband is completely dead to the world when he sleeps and

Aleksander would have had to really scream to wake him up!

In any case, perhaps coupling the changes other posters have

mentioned with your husband putting him to bed would help.

Faith,

> > I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together

again

> and that Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one

> thing you don't have to worry about!

> >

> > I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a

> thing for you or your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are

> there any other health issues? Is he fussy after eating? Does he

> vomit as you said only when crying for a long time or is this a

common

> thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all up to this

> point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

> consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

> > Chris

> > sleeping issues (ready to take

> advice now)

> >

> >

> > OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born

in

> Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

> military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to

shove

> Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously didn't

work.

> Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to

live

> with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We wound up going

> straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and

> living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some

rather

> inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was

> transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE

> joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again,

but

> EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

> maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've

been

> literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious

sleep

> association problems. He has always nursed to

> > sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

> have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with

him...

> He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is

> constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right there.He's 13

> months old and is going through separation anxiety... HE uses my

body

> to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any of

> these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

> guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he

vomits,

> but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know

> I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

> breaking point...Help!

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking about how Aleksander started sleeping through the

night, and it happened when I was out of town on business and he was

home alone with dad. He was just about 3 months old then, and hasn't

really woken up after he's been in bed since then. And now, at 6

months, he sleeps 10 - 12 hours every night without a peep, and when

he wakes up, he plays by himself for a good 30 minutes before we go

in to get him.

I was wondering if perhaps your husband could help by helping you put

your son in bed instead of you. Perhaps having him change the

current routine would help both you and your son. He may have more

success, even though I'm sure your boy will cry at first. He also

may be better at dealing with the crying. Although I think the only

reason Aleksander slept through the night when I got back was becuase

my husband is completely dead to the world when he sleeps and

Aleksander would have had to really scream to wake him up!

In any case, perhaps coupling the changes other posters have

mentioned with your husband putting him to bed would help.

Faith,

> > I can so relate. I'm glad you hear you are all together

again

> and that Gabe's feet have had the touch of the Master. That's one

> thing you don't have to worry about!

> >

> > I think you are wise in wanting to avoid CIO. It doesn't do a

> thing for you or your son. Can I ask how old he is now? And are

> there any other health issues? Is he fussy after eating? Does he

> vomit as you said only when crying for a long time or is this a

common

> thing for no reason? Have you tried babywearing at all up to this

> point? (A challenge with FAB but it can be done! LOL) Would you

> consider yourself a 'crunchy' parent or perhaps an AP parent?

> > Chris

> > sleeping issues (ready to take

> advice now)

> >

> >

> > OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born

in

> Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

> military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to

shove

> Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously didn't

work.

> Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to

live

> with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We wound up going

> straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and

> living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some

rather

> inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was

> transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE

> joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again,

but

> EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

> maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've

been

> literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious

sleep

> association problems. He has always nursed to

> > sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

> have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with

him...

> He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is

> constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right there.He's 13

> months old and is going through separation anxiety... HE uses my

body

> to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to break any of

> these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

> guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he

vomits,

> but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know

> I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

> breaking point...Help!

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I feel for you! Yikes! I know how hard it is to be sleep deprived and so

frustrated. Weston, now 8 months, had some sleep issues. My husband or I

always held and rocked him to sleep. We were unsure if his foot was hurting

him so we thought we should comfort him as much as we could, which I am glad

we did. Anyways. I was spending about 4-5 hours a day holding him and

rocking him. I was getting nothing done and was so frustrated. Finally, I

read the book, " Solving Your Child's Sleep Problems " by Ferber. I

hated the idea of crying too but it worked! It took a few days and Weston

was putting himself to sleep. I can't tell you how liberating that was!!

Weston did not sleep through the night until he was 7 months old. I did not

make him cry it out during the night because I figured he needed the extra

calories carrying that bar around all day. Your son is older.. so I don't

know. One thing that helped was my husband got up with him and gave him his

binky when he would get up in the night and Weston would go back to sleep.

This is how we weaned him from night feedings and it worked great. Just do

what feels right. I think there are some " no cry " methods for sleep

training as well. Hope this helps. Take Care. Lori

_____

From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of faith slattery

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:35 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

Wow! That sounds great... If all else fails... maybe then we'll have to try

it. I don't think it would be nearly as hard without the other sleep

association issues. He needs to suck something to fall asleep and won't take

a pacifier. I think the worst thing is, I could nurse him to sleep, but then

after he's asleep, he's such a light sleeper I can't move him! I can barely

move a muscle in bed without waking him. It's incredible...He just doesn;t

seem to crash the way other kids do. Most kids I've been around, once

they're asleep , you can just move them wherever.... not GAbe, he wakes up

immediately.

Caroland wrote:

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have

NEAR the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few

weeks period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy

could take care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no

sleep.. and she had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down

again.. my sister advised the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy..

so another week and a half go by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her

to bed and she started screaming her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the

first time on the first night.. and then again later for another 16 minutes

and then again for another 12 and then 6... that lasted 2 days... the third

night she only woke once and cried for about 3 minutes and that was the last

time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and she's 18 months old

now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she was teething

with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly

out of control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight..

she would die down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4

minutes and so forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night

time, we put braces on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when

she feels like it.. lol ) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word

till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to

Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into

some MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only

option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve

wrecking 7 months. We wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all

the hotels and plane rides, and living out of a single room till April, Gabe

has developed some rather inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my

problem:My hubby was transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a

house. WE joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again,

but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've been

literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious sleep

association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST

4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to

make sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through

separation anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is

there anyway to break any of these habits without letting him cry it out?

He's so stubborn... I guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying

till he vomits, but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep.

I know I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I feel for you! Yikes! I know how hard it is to be sleep deprived and so

frustrated. Weston, now 8 months, had some sleep issues. My husband or I

always held and rocked him to sleep. We were unsure if his foot was hurting

him so we thought we should comfort him as much as we could, which I am glad

we did. Anyways. I was spending about 4-5 hours a day holding him and

rocking him. I was getting nothing done and was so frustrated. Finally, I

read the book, " Solving Your Child's Sleep Problems " by Ferber. I

hated the idea of crying too but it worked! It took a few days and Weston

was putting himself to sleep. I can't tell you how liberating that was!!

Weston did not sleep through the night until he was 7 months old. I did not

make him cry it out during the night because I figured he needed the extra

calories carrying that bar around all day. Your son is older.. so I don't

know. One thing that helped was my husband got up with him and gave him his

binky when he would get up in the night and Weston would go back to sleep.

This is how we weaned him from night feedings and it worked great. Just do

what feels right. I think there are some " no cry " methods for sleep

training as well. Hope this helps. Take Care. Lori

_____

From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of faith slattery

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:35 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

Wow! That sounds great... If all else fails... maybe then we'll have to try

it. I don't think it would be nearly as hard without the other sleep

association issues. He needs to suck something to fall asleep and won't take

a pacifier. I think the worst thing is, I could nurse him to sleep, but then

after he's asleep, he's such a light sleeper I can't move him! I can barely

move a muscle in bed without waking him. It's incredible...He just doesn;t

seem to crash the way other kids do. Most kids I've been around, once

they're asleep , you can just move them wherever.... not GAbe, he wakes up

immediately.

Caroland wrote:

faith..

i know this is not what you will want to hear.. and my daughter didn't have

NEAR the problem you are having with sleeping.. but she went through a few

weeks period where she woke up several times a night and no one but mommy

could take care of her.. (that's always been that way) and i was getting no

sleep.. and she had to be unconcious before i could lay her back down

again.. my sister advised the cry it out thing and i thought she was crazy..

so another week and a half go by and less sleep.. so i tried it.. i put her

to bed and she started screaming her head off.. it lasted 24 minutes the

first time on the first night.. and then again later for another 16 minutes

and then again for another 12 and then 6... that lasted 2 days... the third

night she only woke once and cried for about 3 minutes and that was the last

time.. she was about 12 months old at the time and she's 18 months old

now... she has woke up i think just once since then (but she was teething

with all four molars at

once).. i know it sounds horrible.. and i could have never done taht to a

smaller child.. 12 months old was hard... but some times that's the only

choice... and she didn't cry so hard she threw up.. but she was definatly

out of control... and she wasn't out of control for 20 minutes straight..

she would die down to a whine for 2-3 minutes and then start again for 3-4

minutes and so forth... but it worked... now i tell her it's night night

time, we put braces on, she hugs me and gives me a kiss (on most nights when

she feels like it.. lol ) and i put her in bed and don't hear another word

till morning... hth...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

faith slattery wrote:

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to

Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into

some MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only

option, so I jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve

wrecking 7 months. We wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all

the hotels and plane rides, and living out of a single room till April, Gabe

has developed some rather inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my

problem:My hubby was transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a

house. WE joined him in APril, so the whole happy family is together again,

but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO, lucky me.... I have a high

maintenance kid who positively demands my attention because I've been

literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have some serious sleep

association problems. He has always nursed to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to take

naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST

4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to

make sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through

separation anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is

there anyway to break any of these habits without letting him cry it out?

He's so stubborn... I guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying

till he vomits, but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep.

I know I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my

breaking point...Help!

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Faith-

Your story brings back our total nightmare with our 1st born (non-

clubfoot). It took so much to get him to sleep and then he would

wake up shortly screaming at the top of his lungs because he never

wanted to be alone. I was out of my mind. My girlfriend who is a

huge " babywise " fan came to stay with me for 4 days to help me out

and she was out of her mind with him too. I hate to tell you this

but the only way we got him to sleep through the night was at 13

months I decided to wean him from the breast. I couldn't handle him

attached to me all day and then all night again. The first time I

didn't nurse him at night he slept through the night and continued

until 21 months. That is when he learned to climb out of his crib

and then would walk down the hall and crawl in bed with us. This

didn't really bother me becaue I didn't have to " get up " He

continued to do that until age 4 and now we have our youngest age 3

climbing into our bed in the middle of the night. Our youngest

however was a great sleeper and posed know problems until at 21

months he too climbed out of his bed with his DBB on and crawled

down to our room! Just when we get the 1st one out of our bed our

second joined in. We've had 1 1/2 weeks of no kids in our bed over

the last 5 years and those were the best weeks of my motherhood;)

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to

shove Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously

didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a

plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and

plane rides, and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has

developed some rather inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my

problem:My hubby was transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we

brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the whole happy family

is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO,

lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life .

AND! we have some serious sleep association problems. He has always

nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with

him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the

meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right

there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway

to break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so

stubborn... I guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying

till he vomits, but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no

sleep. I know I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm

finally at my breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Faith-

Your story brings back our total nightmare with our 1st born (non-

clubfoot). It took so much to get him to sleep and then he would

wake up shortly screaming at the top of his lungs because he never

wanted to be alone. I was out of my mind. My girlfriend who is a

huge " babywise " fan came to stay with me for 4 days to help me out

and she was out of her mind with him too. I hate to tell you this

but the only way we got him to sleep through the night was at 13

months I decided to wean him from the breast. I couldn't handle him

attached to me all day and then all night again. The first time I

didn't nurse him at night he slept through the night and continued

until 21 months. That is when he learned to climb out of his crib

and then would walk down the hall and crawl in bed with us. This

didn't really bother me becaue I didn't have to " get up " He

continued to do that until age 4 and now we have our youngest age 3

climbing into our bed in the middle of the night. Our youngest

however was a great sleeper and posed know problems until at 21

months he too climbed out of his bed with his DBB on and crawled

down to our room! Just when we get the 1st one out of our bed our

second joined in. We've had 1 1/2 weeks of no kids in our bed over

the last 5 years and those were the best weeks of my motherhood;)

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to

shove Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously

didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a

plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and

plane rides, and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has

developed some rather inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my

problem:My hubby was transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we

brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the whole happy family

is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO,

lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life .

AND! we have some serious sleep association problems. He has always

nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with

him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the

meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right

there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway

to break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so

stubborn... I guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying

till he vomits, but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no

sleep. I know I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm

finally at my breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

We are supposed to accomplish things? Get sleep? Be productive? Whoops, I

missed something there. Just kidding. I totally understand. The routine thing

works for us. But of course, this morning I am typing a note when I should be

doing dishes and changing diapers and folding laundry and planting my garden and

mowing my lawn and feeding my chickens and and and. And do this on little sleep

because I stayed up late folding laundry and doing dishes and then spent more

time up with kids wetting the bed and the baby who wants to nurse again and then

got up early because I forgot to get snacks ready for kindergarten (cause it is

snack day most important day of the month)

I agree with the baby steps to ge there scheme. Decide what you want to see

happen and then do bits and pieces at a time to get there. We have had all

types of kids- those that sleep good, those that go to sleep good but don't

sleep long, those that won't do either, and the current one who thinks sleep is

a naughty word. We are winning though cause his mommy is more stubborn than he

is. Through all of this, I hope your hubby will be supportive. Don't beat

yourself up because everything is not done, that is what I do and it isn't worth

it (but of course I will keep doing it cause I am too dumb to learn). A bit at

a time, a bit at a time. I wish I could take your baby for a day or so, then

you could just work for a while.

Anyway just more useless babbly on my part. Gotta get something done on this

end. You are in our thoughts and prayers. Good luck

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to

take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST

4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

We are supposed to accomplish things? Get sleep? Be productive? Whoops, I

missed something there. Just kidding. I totally understand. The routine thing

works for us. But of course, this morning I am typing a note when I should be

doing dishes and changing diapers and folding laundry and planting my garden and

mowing my lawn and feeding my chickens and and and. And do this on little sleep

because I stayed up late folding laundry and doing dishes and then spent more

time up with kids wetting the bed and the baby who wants to nurse again and then

got up early because I forgot to get snacks ready for kindergarten (cause it is

snack day most important day of the month)

I agree with the baby steps to ge there scheme. Decide what you want to see

happen and then do bits and pieces at a time to get there. We have had all

types of kids- those that sleep good, those that go to sleep good but don't

sleep long, those that won't do either, and the current one who thinks sleep is

a naughty word. We are winning though cause his mommy is more stubborn than he

is. Through all of this, I hope your hubby will be supportive. Don't beat

yourself up because everything is not done, that is what I do and it isn't worth

it (but of course I will keep doing it cause I am too dumb to learn). A bit at

a time, a bit at a time. I wish I could take your baby for a day or so, then

you could just work for a while.

Anyway just more useless babbly on my part. Gotta get something done on this

end. You are in our thoughts and prayers. Good luck

sleeping issues (ready to take advice now)

OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in Guam. They

didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the military sent us to Hawaii

for a few months... Dr there tried to shove Gabe's atypical feet into some

MArkell's, which obviously didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I

jumped on a plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and plane rides,

and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has developed some rather

inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my problem:My hubby was transfered from

Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the

whole happy family is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!!

SO, lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life . AND! we have

some serious sleep association problems. He has always nursed

to

sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I have to

take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with him... He wakes AT LEAST

4 times a night to nurse and in the meantime is constantly reaching over to make

sure I'm still right there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation

anxiety... HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway to

break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so stubborn... I

guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying till he vomits, but I

can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no sleep. I know I've posted before

onthe subject, but I think I'm finally at my breaking point...Help!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you and Gabe have had a lot of changes during his

short life and it's possible this is the cause of his sleep issues.

As everyone else has said babies need routines and in your case, and

through no fault or yours, Gabe hasn't really had a chance to

establish a routine that works for him.

My oldest had sleep problems too. He woke every three hours to nurse

until he was two years old. I was exhausted and really felt at the

end of my rope. His problems had to do with food allergies which

weren't diagnosed until he was 15 months old. He had so many

allergies to foods that he hardly ate any solid food and he was

hungry all night, which is why he nursed so often.

When we got the food allergies sorted out and put him on a diet

where he could eat enough to allow him to sleep through the night, I

began night weaning. I am an attachment parenting advocate and I

just couldn't do the crying it out thing. Dr. Sears, who is a

pediatrician who promotes attachment parenting, described night

weaning in one of his books. Here's a link to a page on his website

which deals with sleep issues. If you're not comfortable with crying

it out he's got many good suggestions.

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/7/T070100.asp

The first step was to get him sleeping in his own bed. I set the

crib up in our room and had him nap in it at first. I nursed him to

sleep and then transferred him to the crib. When he got used to

napping in the crib then I started putting him to sleep in it at

night. At first I didn't change anything about nursing, I just

changed where he slept. After I felt he was comfortable in his crib

then we moved it into his own room, but I still nursed him whenever

he woke.

As I said earlier, once we got the food allergies under control and

he was gaining weight, I began the process of night weaning. I chose

one nursing that I knew he could do without. I nursed him before

bed, but put him in the crib awake and then I sat with him until he

went to sleep. When he woke at midnight I went in and told him we

weren't going to nurse, but I would sit with him. I didn't take him

out of the crib, but stayed with him. He was very upset the first

night, less upset the second night and if I remember correctly slept

through that feeding the third night.

After two weeks I chose another feeding to wean. I chose the next

one after midnight, which was 3:00 a.m. It worked the same way and

after 2-3 nights he slept from the time I put him to bed until 5:00

AM. Dr. Sears recommends keeping the before bed, naptime and first

thing in the morning nursing times for 2 or more years.

Good luck to you. I know how frustrating lack of sleep can be and

sleep issues can be very difficult to deal with. But one thing that

will help is knowing this too shall pass. My oldest is 8 years-old

now and I can hardly remember what it was like waking every three

hours to nurse him.

and 11/10/03 dbb 14/7

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to

shove Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously

didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a

plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and

plane rides, and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has

developed some rather inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my

problem:My hubby was transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we

brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the whole happy family

is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO,

lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life .

AND! we have some serious sleep association problems. He has always

nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with

him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the

meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right

there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway

to break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so

stubborn... I guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying

till he vomits, but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no

sleep. I know I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm

finally at my breaking point...Help!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you and Gabe have had a lot of changes during his

short life and it's possible this is the cause of his sleep issues.

As everyone else has said babies need routines and in your case, and

through no fault or yours, Gabe hasn't really had a chance to

establish a routine that works for him.

My oldest had sleep problems too. He woke every three hours to nurse

until he was two years old. I was exhausted and really felt at the

end of my rope. His problems had to do with food allergies which

weren't diagnosed until he was 15 months old. He had so many

allergies to foods that he hardly ate any solid food and he was

hungry all night, which is why he nursed so often.

When we got the food allergies sorted out and put him on a diet

where he could eat enough to allow him to sleep through the night, I

began night weaning. I am an attachment parenting advocate and I

just couldn't do the crying it out thing. Dr. Sears, who is a

pediatrician who promotes attachment parenting, described night

weaning in one of his books. Here's a link to a page on his website

which deals with sleep issues. If you're not comfortable with crying

it out he's got many good suggestions.

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/7/T070100.asp

The first step was to get him sleeping in his own bed. I set the

crib up in our room and had him nap in it at first. I nursed him to

sleep and then transferred him to the crib. When he got used to

napping in the crib then I started putting him to sleep in it at

night. At first I didn't change anything about nursing, I just

changed where he slept. After I felt he was comfortable in his crib

then we moved it into his own room, but I still nursed him whenever

he woke.

As I said earlier, once we got the food allergies under control and

he was gaining weight, I began the process of night weaning. I chose

one nursing that I knew he could do without. I nursed him before

bed, but put him in the crib awake and then I sat with him until he

went to sleep. When he woke at midnight I went in and told him we

weren't going to nurse, but I would sit with him. I didn't take him

out of the crib, but stayed with him. He was very upset the first

night, less upset the second night and if I remember correctly slept

through that feeding the third night.

After two weeks I chose another feeding to wean. I chose the next

one after midnight, which was 3:00 a.m. It worked the same way and

after 2-3 nights he slept from the time I put him to bed until 5:00

AM. Dr. Sears recommends keeping the before bed, naptime and first

thing in the morning nursing times for 2 or more years.

Good luck to you. I know how frustrating lack of sleep can be and

sleep issues can be very difficult to deal with. But one thing that

will help is knowing this too shall pass. My oldest is 8 years-old

now and I can hardly remember what it was like waking every three

hours to nurse him.

and 11/10/03 dbb 14/7

> OK, for those of you who don't know our story: Gabe was born in

Guam. They didn't have DRs who could care for him there, so the

military sent us to Hawaii for a few months... Dr there tried to

shove Gabe's atypical feet into some MArkell's, which obviously

didn't work. Said surgery was our only option, so I jumped on a

plane to GA to live with my mum for - a nerve wrecking 7 months. We

wound up going straight to Ponseti. Anyway, with all the hotels and

plane rides, and living out of a single room till April, Gabe has

developed some rather inconvenient habits... Anyway, here's my

problem:My hubby was transfered from Guam to Hill AFB, Ut where we

brought a house. WE joined him in APril, so the whole happy family

is together again, but EVERYTHING IS STILL IN BOXES, ETC!!! SO,

lucky me.... I have a high maintenance kid who positively demands my

attention because I've been literally in his face his whole life .

AND! we have some serious sleep association problems. He has always

nursed to

> sleep and coslept. He is the littest sleeper I've ever seen. I

have to take naps with him... I have to go to bed at night with

him... He wakes AT LEAST 4 times a night to nurse and in the

meantime is constantly reaching over to make sure I'm still right

there.He's 13 months old and is going through separation anxiety...

HE uses my body to side sleep in the bar... ARRGH! Is there anyway

to break any of these habits without letting him cry it out? He's so

stubborn... I guarantee there'd be endless days and nights of crying

till he vomits, but I can't get anything done.... and I'm getting no

sleep. I know I've posted before onthe subject, but I think I'm

finally at my breaking point...Help!

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