Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 I'm not bitter but I have to say I've had a lot of trouble from some of my family members and friends because of the stuff that is on 's web page. Unfortunately when I encouraged them to do some research on line, her's was the first web page they pulled up..and it just went downhill from there. I know what you mean...I've had friends see that also and it takes alot to get people educated if that is the first thing they find. As far as the money request goes I don't really think this is the format to do this type of request. Of course we all feel for ...I feel for anyone in need and having a hard time...especially a single parent since I also am one. But we all have our problems and many here are having problems financially also. I dont think its right to set one person apart as more important here for help financially than another as I know there are many in need of help...not to mention all of us trying to figure out how we're going to pay for our surgeries after we get our loans and then what we'll do if we cant get our labs covered afterwards. I hope that doesnt sound cold because I really feel for her but I just don't feel its fair to put the people on this list in a position to have to shell out money to someone they do not know. I really do wish her the best...I've been in her shoes so I know how hard it is... ~~* AJ *~~ BMI 59 Surgery date 7/24/01 going self pay - Dr Baltasar Spain Check out the Bellingham Support for WLS WWW.lookin2bthin.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 I'm not bitter but I have to say I've had a lot of trouble from some of my family members and friends because of the stuff that is on 's web page. Unfortunately when I encouraged them to do some research on line, her's was the first web page they pulled up..and it just went downhill from there. I know what you mean...I've had friends see that also and it takes alot to get people educated if that is the first thing they find. As far as the money request goes I don't really think this is the format to do this type of request. Of course we all feel for ...I feel for anyone in need and having a hard time...especially a single parent since I also am one. But we all have our problems and many here are having problems financially also. I dont think its right to set one person apart as more important here for help financially than another as I know there are many in need of help...not to mention all of us trying to figure out how we're going to pay for our surgeries after we get our loans and then what we'll do if we cant get our labs covered afterwards. I hope that doesnt sound cold because I really feel for her but I just don't feel its fair to put the people on this list in a position to have to shell out money to someone they do not know. I really do wish her the best...I've been in her shoes so I know how hard it is... ~~* AJ *~~ BMI 59 Surgery date 7/24/01 going self pay - Dr Baltasar Spain Check out the Bellingham Support for WLS WWW.lookin2bthin.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 This is OT but important and I apologize in advance. Watts, an MGB victim, became deathly ill and had to have emergency surgery 11 days ago because her stomach got into such terrible condition from the bile reflux and efferent loop syndrome caused by quack surgery known as the " MGB " done by R. Rutledge. She was planning to have a revision to an RNY to correct this but her condition deteriorated so rapidly that she had to have emergency abdominal surgery. Well, after this surgery, she developed a LEAK and got peritonitis and was at death's door. She had to have a second surgery. She was so full of infection it has been touch and go. She is out of danger now and just got home today. However, she has been out of work 11 days already and has to be out of work another 4-6 weeks. She is a 27 year old single mother in terrible health. She has NO savings. Her own mother has renal cancer and is dying and cannot help. She does not have disability insurance or anything to help her. Her bills for one month are $2000.00. If only 40 people kick in $50, we can cover this. I will start it off with $100. PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO OSSG GROUPS! She needs help! She also needs protein powder for protein shakes and vitamins. Her stomach is very small and she cannot eat much, but her health was already very bad at the time of surgery and she must have protein to get her health back. If you have a credit card or a checking account, you can help her right now by making a payment to her through PAYPAL, http://www.paypal.com If you don't have a PAYPAL account, it takes about 5 min. to open one -- fill out the form. Put funnyshan@... as the name for the person who referred you and Paypal will pay $5.00 FREE. You may be able to open more than one account if you have more than one email address and that would get $5 for every one opened (it is paid by Paypal, not you). Once you open your own account, you can also send as much as you want, directly from your own credit card or your checking account by Paypal by telling paypal to pay funnyshan@... the amount you want to help out! PLEASE HELP SHANNON. She is a sweet, wonderful person who did not deserve any of this. Her little boy, Cameron, has been shuttled from person to person for two weeks. She came home early just to try to take care of him. You can call at . If you want to mail money or protein powder, write me privately for her address. SHANNON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER EXCEPT THROUGH WORK AND CAN'T GO TO WORK FOR 4-6 MORE WEEKS, SO SHE SAID TO TELL ALL THE MGB PEOPLE: If you wait too long, this can happen to you, too, what happened to her! Don't wait, get an EGD and if you need surgery, get it done as soon as possible!! Kind regards, You can reach me at if you want to verify this is not a hoax. My webpage is http://www.fourlane.com/lindat Info about the dangers of the MGB are at http://www.fourlane.com/mgb Remember, even if you can't donate by checking account or credit card, just opening a Paypal account and putting funnyshan@... down as the person who referred you will send $5 to ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 This is OT but important and I apologize in advance. Watts, an MGB victim, became deathly ill and had to have emergency surgery 11 days ago because her stomach got into such terrible condition from the bile reflux and efferent loop syndrome caused by quack surgery known as the " MGB " done by R. Rutledge. She was planning to have a revision to an RNY to correct this but her condition deteriorated so rapidly that she had to have emergency abdominal surgery. Well, after this surgery, she developed a LEAK and got peritonitis and was at death's door. She had to have a second surgery. She was so full of infection it has been touch and go. She is out of danger now and just got home today. However, she has been out of work 11 days already and has to be out of work another 4-6 weeks. She is a 27 year old single mother in terrible health. She has NO savings. Her own mother has renal cancer and is dying and cannot help. She does not have disability insurance or anything to help her. Her bills for one month are $2000.00. If only 40 people kick in $50, we can cover this. I will start it off with $100. PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO OSSG GROUPS! She needs help! She also needs protein powder for protein shakes and vitamins. Her stomach is very small and she cannot eat much, but her health was already very bad at the time of surgery and she must have protein to get her health back. If you have a credit card or a checking account, you can help her right now by making a payment to her through PAYPAL, http://www.paypal.com If you don't have a PAYPAL account, it takes about 5 min. to open one -- fill out the form. Put funnyshan@... as the name for the person who referred you and Paypal will pay $5.00 FREE. You may be able to open more than one account if you have more than one email address and that would get $5 for every one opened (it is paid by Paypal, not you). Once you open your own account, you can also send as much as you want, directly from your own credit card or your checking account by Paypal by telling paypal to pay funnyshan@... the amount you want to help out! PLEASE HELP SHANNON. She is a sweet, wonderful person who did not deserve any of this. Her little boy, Cameron, has been shuttled from person to person for two weeks. She came home early just to try to take care of him. You can call at . If you want to mail money or protein powder, write me privately for her address. SHANNON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER EXCEPT THROUGH WORK AND CAN'T GO TO WORK FOR 4-6 MORE WEEKS, SO SHE SAID TO TELL ALL THE MGB PEOPLE: If you wait too long, this can happen to you, too, what happened to her! Don't wait, get an EGD and if you need surgery, get it done as soon as possible!! Kind regards, You can reach me at if you want to verify this is not a hoax. My webpage is http://www.fourlane.com/lindat Info about the dangers of the MGB are at http://www.fourlane.com/mgb Remember, even if you can't donate by checking account or credit card, just opening a Paypal account and putting funnyshan@... down as the person who referred you will send $5 to ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Im not sure if this is a hoax or not but I do know that has been involved in the patriotic movement. Best to check this out throughly before sending any money......just be careful guys. Judie PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > This is OT but important and I apologize in advance. > > Watts, an MGB victim, became deathly ill and had to have > emergency surgery 11 days ago because her stomach got into such > terrible condition from the bile reflux and efferent loop syndrome > caused by quack surgery known as the " MGB " done by R. > Rutledge. She was planning to have a revision to an RNY to correct > this but her condition deteriorated so rapidly that she had to have > emergency abdominal surgery. > > Well, after this surgery, she developed a LEAK and got peritonitis > and was at death's door. She had to have a second surgery. She was > so full of infection it has been touch and go. She is out of danger > now and just got home today. > > However, she has been out of work 11 days already and has to be out > of work another 4-6 weeks. > > She is a 27 year old single mother in terrible health. She has NO > savings. Her own mother has renal cancer and is dying and cannot > help. She does not have disability insurance or anything to help > her. > > Her bills for one month are $2000.00. > > If only 40 people kick in $50, we can cover this. I will start it > off with $100. > > PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO OSSG GROUPS! She needs help! > > She also needs protein powder for protein shakes and vitamins. Her > stomach is very small and she cannot eat much, but her health was > already very bad at the time of surgery and she must have protein to > get her health back. > > If you have a credit card or a checking account, you can help her > right now by making a payment to her through PAYPAL, > http://www.paypal.com > > If you don't have a PAYPAL account, it takes about 5 min. to open > one -- fill out the form. Put funnyshan@... as the name for > the person who referred you and Paypal will pay $5.00 FREE. > You may be able to open more than one account if you have more than > one email address and that would get $5 for every one opened > (it is paid by Paypal, not you). > > Once you open your own account, you can also send as much as you > want, directly from your own credit card or your checking account by > Paypal by telling paypal to pay funnyshan@... the amount you > want to help out! > > PLEASE HELP SHANNON. She is a sweet, wonderful person who did not > deserve any of this. Her little boy, Cameron, has been shuttled from > person to person for two weeks. She came home early just to try to > take care of him. > > You can call at . > > If you want to mail money or protein powder, write me privately for > her address. > > SHANNON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER EXCEPT THROUGH WORK AND > CAN'T GO TO WORK FOR 4-6 MORE WEEKS, SO SHE SAID TO TELL ALL THE MGB > PEOPLE: > > If you wait too long, this can happen to you, too, what happened to > her! Don't wait, get an EGD and if you need surgery, get it done as > soon as possible!! > > > Kind regards, > > > You can reach me at if you want to verify this is not a > hoax. My webpage is http://www.fourlane.com/lindat > > Info about the dangers of the MGB are at http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > Remember, even if you can't donate by checking account or credit > card, just opening a Paypal account and putting funnyshan@... > down as the person who referred you will send $5 to ! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Im not sure if this is a hoax or not but I do know that has been involved in the patriotic movement. Best to check this out throughly before sending any money......just be careful guys. Judie PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > This is OT but important and I apologize in advance. > > Watts, an MGB victim, became deathly ill and had to have > emergency surgery 11 days ago because her stomach got into such > terrible condition from the bile reflux and efferent loop syndrome > caused by quack surgery known as the " MGB " done by R. > Rutledge. She was planning to have a revision to an RNY to correct > this but her condition deteriorated so rapidly that she had to have > emergency abdominal surgery. > > Well, after this surgery, she developed a LEAK and got peritonitis > and was at death's door. She had to have a second surgery. She was > so full of infection it has been touch and go. She is out of danger > now and just got home today. > > However, she has been out of work 11 days already and has to be out > of work another 4-6 weeks. > > She is a 27 year old single mother in terrible health. She has NO > savings. Her own mother has renal cancer and is dying and cannot > help. She does not have disability insurance or anything to help > her. > > Her bills for one month are $2000.00. > > If only 40 people kick in $50, we can cover this. I will start it > off with $100. > > PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO OSSG GROUPS! She needs help! > > She also needs protein powder for protein shakes and vitamins. Her > stomach is very small and she cannot eat much, but her health was > already very bad at the time of surgery and she must have protein to > get her health back. > > If you have a credit card or a checking account, you can help her > right now by making a payment to her through PAYPAL, > http://www.paypal.com > > If you don't have a PAYPAL account, it takes about 5 min. to open > one -- fill out the form. Put funnyshan@... as the name for > the person who referred you and Paypal will pay $5.00 FREE. > You may be able to open more than one account if you have more than > one email address and that would get $5 for every one opened > (it is paid by Paypal, not you). > > Once you open your own account, you can also send as much as you > want, directly from your own credit card or your checking account by > Paypal by telling paypal to pay funnyshan@... the amount you > want to help out! > > PLEASE HELP SHANNON. She is a sweet, wonderful person who did not > deserve any of this. Her little boy, Cameron, has been shuttled from > person to person for two weeks. She came home early just to try to > take care of him. > > You can call at . > > If you want to mail money or protein powder, write me privately for > her address. > > SHANNON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER EXCEPT THROUGH WORK AND > CAN'T GO TO WORK FOR 4-6 MORE WEEKS, SO SHE SAID TO TELL ALL THE MGB > PEOPLE: > > If you wait too long, this can happen to you, too, what happened to > her! Don't wait, get an EGD and if you need surgery, get it done as > soon as possible!! > > > Kind regards, > > > You can reach me at if you want to verify this is not a > hoax. My webpage is http://www.fourlane.com/lindat > > Info about the dangers of the MGB are at http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > Remember, even if you can't donate by checking account or credit > card, just opening a Paypal account and putting funnyshan@... > down as the person who referred you will send $5 to ! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 I'm not bitter but I have to say I've had a lot of trouble from some of my family members and friends because of the stuff that is on 's web page. Unfortunately when I encouraged them to do some research on line, her's was the first web page they pulled up..and it just went downhill from there. It took me weeks to convince them that the DS is a much different procedure than the MGB. It's one thing to be against something and want to tell others about it, but when someone attacks with such rhetoric and activism it gets to be a little annoying if not dis-crediting to their position. I'm very sorry for and I will keep her and her family in my prayers. Nahodil Woodbridge, VA BMI 46 Pre-Op Dr. Elariny Fairfax INOVA Hospital BPD/DS Part 1 Date: TBA PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS This is OT but important and I apologize in advance. Watts, an MGB victim, became deathly ill and had to have emergency surgery 11 days ago because her stomach got into such terrible condition from the bile reflux and efferent loop syndrome caused by quack surgery known as the " MGB " done by R. Rutledge. She was planning to have a revision to an RNY to correct this but her condition deteriorated so rapidly that she had to have emergency abdominal surgery. Well, after this surgery, she developed a LEAK and got peritonitis and was at death's door. She had to have a second surgery. She was so full of infection it has been touch and go. She is out of danger now and just got home today. However, she has been out of work 11 days already and has to be out of work another 4-6 weeks. She is a 27 year old single mother in terrible health. She has NO savings. Her own mother has renal cancer and is dying and cannot help. She does not have disability insurance or anything to help her. Her bills for one month are $2000.00. If only 40 people kick in $50, we can cover this. I will start it off with $100. PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO OSSG GROUPS! She needs help! She also needs protein powder for protein shakes and vitamins. Her stomach is very small and she cannot eat much, but her health was already very bad at the time of surgery and she must have protein to get her health back. If you have a credit card or a checking account, you can help her right now by making a payment to her through PAYPAL, http://www.paypal.com If you don't have a PAYPAL account, it takes about 5 min. to open one -- fill out the form. Put funnyshan@... as the name for the person who referred you and Paypal will pay $5.00 FREE. You may be able to open more than one account if you have more than one email address and that would get $5 for every one opened (it is paid by Paypal, not you). Once you open your own account, you can also send as much as you want, directly from your own credit card or your checking account by Paypal by telling paypal to pay funnyshan@... the amount you want to help out! PLEASE HELP SHANNON. She is a sweet, wonderful person who did not deserve any of this. Her little boy, Cameron, has been shuttled from person to person for two weeks. She came home early just to try to take care of him. You can call at . If you want to mail money or protein powder, write me privately for her address. SHANNON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER EXCEPT THROUGH WORK AND CAN'T GO TO WORK FOR 4-6 MORE WEEKS, SO SHE SAID TO TELL ALL THE MGB PEOPLE: If you wait too long, this can happen to you, too, what happened to her! Don't wait, get an EGD and if you need surgery, get it done as soon as possible!! Kind regards, You can reach me at if you want to verify this is not a hoax. My webpage is http://www.fourlane.com/lindat Info about the dangers of the MGB are at http://www.fourlane.com/mgb Remember, even if you can't donate by checking account or credit card, just opening a Paypal account and putting funnyshan@... down as the person who referred you will send $5 to ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 I'm not bitter but I have to say I've had a lot of trouble from some of my family members and friends because of the stuff that is on 's web page. Unfortunately when I encouraged them to do some research on line, her's was the first web page they pulled up..and it just went downhill from there. It took me weeks to convince them that the DS is a much different procedure than the MGB. It's one thing to be against something and want to tell others about it, but when someone attacks with such rhetoric and activism it gets to be a little annoying if not dis-crediting to their position. I'm very sorry for and I will keep her and her family in my prayers. Nahodil Woodbridge, VA BMI 46 Pre-Op Dr. Elariny Fairfax INOVA Hospital BPD/DS Part 1 Date: TBA PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS This is OT but important and I apologize in advance. Watts, an MGB victim, became deathly ill and had to have emergency surgery 11 days ago because her stomach got into such terrible condition from the bile reflux and efferent loop syndrome caused by quack surgery known as the " MGB " done by R. Rutledge. She was planning to have a revision to an RNY to correct this but her condition deteriorated so rapidly that she had to have emergency abdominal surgery. Well, after this surgery, she developed a LEAK and got peritonitis and was at death's door. She had to have a second surgery. She was so full of infection it has been touch and go. She is out of danger now and just got home today. However, she has been out of work 11 days already and has to be out of work another 4-6 weeks. She is a 27 year old single mother in terrible health. She has NO savings. Her own mother has renal cancer and is dying and cannot help. She does not have disability insurance or anything to help her. Her bills for one month are $2000.00. If only 40 people kick in $50, we can cover this. I will start it off with $100. PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO OSSG GROUPS! She needs help! She also needs protein powder for protein shakes and vitamins. Her stomach is very small and she cannot eat much, but her health was already very bad at the time of surgery and she must have protein to get her health back. If you have a credit card or a checking account, you can help her right now by making a payment to her through PAYPAL, http://www.paypal.com If you don't have a PAYPAL account, it takes about 5 min. to open one -- fill out the form. Put funnyshan@... as the name for the person who referred you and Paypal will pay $5.00 FREE. You may be able to open more than one account if you have more than one email address and that would get $5 for every one opened (it is paid by Paypal, not you). Once you open your own account, you can also send as much as you want, directly from your own credit card or your checking account by Paypal by telling paypal to pay funnyshan@... the amount you want to help out! PLEASE HELP SHANNON. She is a sweet, wonderful person who did not deserve any of this. Her little boy, Cameron, has been shuttled from person to person for two weeks. She came home early just to try to take care of him. You can call at . If you want to mail money or protein powder, write me privately for her address. SHANNON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER EXCEPT THROUGH WORK AND CAN'T GO TO WORK FOR 4-6 MORE WEEKS, SO SHE SAID TO TELL ALL THE MGB PEOPLE: If you wait too long, this can happen to you, too, what happened to her! Don't wait, get an EGD and if you need surgery, get it done as soon as possible!! Kind regards, You can reach me at if you want to verify this is not a hoax. My webpage is http://www.fourlane.com/lindat Info about the dangers of the MGB are at http://www.fourlane.com/mgb Remember, even if you can't donate by checking account or credit card, just opening a Paypal account and putting funnyshan@... down as the person who referred you will send $5 to ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery and calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in the DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. is responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY folks. is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for a revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that have nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to WLS. in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery and calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in the DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. is responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY folks. is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for a revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that have nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to WLS. in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 I agree with regarding teh motivations of 's webstie. However, I must agree with the others. I don't think that electronic panhandling is appropriate. There are many people with issues. I don't want this group to turn into an electronic version of Calcutta! Please, No more requests for cash from anyone!! Just information and support only. Hull > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery and > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in the > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. is > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY folks. > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for a > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that have > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to > WLS. > > in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 I agree with regarding teh motivations of 's webstie. However, I must agree with the others. I don't think that electronic panhandling is appropriate. There are many people with issues. I don't want this group to turn into an electronic version of Calcutta! Please, No more requests for cash from anyone!! Just information and support only. Hull > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery and > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in the > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. is > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY folks. > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for a > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that have > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to > WLS. > > in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 I agree with Chris Judie Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > I agree with regarding teh motivations of 's webstie. > However, I must agree with the others. I don't think that electronic > panhandling is appropriate. There are many people with issues. I > don't want this group to turn into an electronic version of Calcutta! > > Please, No more requests for cash from anyone!! Just information and > support only. > > Hull > > > > > > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type > surgery and > > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because > of the > > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also > used in the > > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. > is > > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she > had that > > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She > also has > > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the > MGB. Her > > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as > RNY folks. > > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was > going for a > > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her > language is > > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies > on her > > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his > minions. > > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks > that have > > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has > made to > > WLS. > > > > in Seattle > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 I agree with Chris Judie Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > I agree with regarding teh motivations of 's webstie. > However, I must agree with the others. I don't think that electronic > panhandling is appropriate. There are many people with issues. I > don't want this group to turn into an electronic version of Calcutta! > > Please, No more requests for cash from anyone!! Just information and > support only. > > Hull > > > > > > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type > surgery and > > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because > of the > > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also > used in the > > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. > is > > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she > had that > > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She > also has > > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the > MGB. Her > > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as > RNY folks. > > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was > going for a > > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her > language is > > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies > on her > > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his > minions. > > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks > that have > > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has > made to > > WLS. > > > > in Seattle > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 I would echo the sentiments already made here. In the course of my completing my “duties” as a minister’s wife, I learned *much* about how to get aid for people who are in desperate need. There are TONS of places to go – and if you feel the need to assist – it is sometimes better to do so through a donation to a particular ministry or charity in this person’s behalf. Some ideas: Nearly all churches have a “benevolent” fund and will confirm a person’s need and either be able to give a substantial gift or coordinate donations via several ministries or charities to see that the person’s need is met. (In our own church the person does not need to attend or be a part of our church – nor do they need to make any promise to ever do so, or repay the gift.) In our state – the agency is called Aid to Families and Children (AFC) – they are there specifically to make sure that – particularly – women in need are cared for when they are unable to do so themselves, and receive the additional support they need for their children. I have a friend who is going through a program with the local AFC – they are paying her rent for 6 months, childcare for 1 year, giving her medical insurance, food stamps, $500 spending each month, and when she’s able – job training and placement services. Our tax dollars at work. Organizations such as the Salvation Army, in our area – the Sisters of Providence, etc., have programs set up to provide assistance in situations specifically like that is going through. Just my two cents worth… Dina in Aloha, OR Age 37/BMI 61 Waiting for my consult with Dr. Hoping my new insurance will cover it all.... -----Original Message----- From: lookn2bthin@... Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:09 PM To: duodenalswitch Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS In a message dated 7/11/01 6:44:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, brinaho@... writes: I'm not bitter but I have to say I've had a lot of trouble from some of my family members and friends because of the stuff that is on 's web page. Unfortunately when I encouraged them to do some research on line, her's was the first web page they pulled up..and it just went downhill from there. I know what you mean...I've had friends see that also and it takes alot to get people educated if that is the first thing they find. As far as the money request goes I don't really think this is the format to do this type of request. Of course we all feel for ...I feel for anyone in need and having a hard time...especially a single parent since I also am one. But we all have our problems and many here are having problems financially also. I dont think its right to set one person apart as more important here for help financially than another as I know there are many in need of help...not to mention all of us trying to figure out how we're going to pay for our surgeries after we get our loans and then what we'll do if we cant get our labs covered afterwards. I hope that doesnt sound cold because I really feel for her but I just don't feel its fair to put the people on this list in a position to have to shell out money to someone they do not know. I really do wish her the best...I've been in her shoes so I know how hard it is... ~~* AJ *~~ BMI 59 Surgery date 7/24/01 going self pay - Dr Baltasar Spain Check out the Bellingham Support for WLS WWW.lookin2bthin.homestead.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 I would echo the sentiments already made here. In the course of my completing my “duties” as a minister’s wife, I learned *much* about how to get aid for people who are in desperate need. There are TONS of places to go – and if you feel the need to assist – it is sometimes better to do so through a donation to a particular ministry or charity in this person’s behalf. Some ideas: Nearly all churches have a “benevolent” fund and will confirm a person’s need and either be able to give a substantial gift or coordinate donations via several ministries or charities to see that the person’s need is met. (In our own church the person does not need to attend or be a part of our church – nor do they need to make any promise to ever do so, or repay the gift.) In our state – the agency is called Aid to Families and Children (AFC) – they are there specifically to make sure that – particularly – women in need are cared for when they are unable to do so themselves, and receive the additional support they need for their children. I have a friend who is going through a program with the local AFC – they are paying her rent for 6 months, childcare for 1 year, giving her medical insurance, food stamps, $500 spending each month, and when she’s able – job training and placement services. Our tax dollars at work. Organizations such as the Salvation Army, in our area – the Sisters of Providence, etc., have programs set up to provide assistance in situations specifically like that is going through. Just my two cents worth… Dina in Aloha, OR Age 37/BMI 61 Waiting for my consult with Dr. Hoping my new insurance will cover it all.... -----Original Message----- From: lookn2bthin@... Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:09 PM To: duodenalswitch Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS In a message dated 7/11/01 6:44:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, brinaho@... writes: I'm not bitter but I have to say I've had a lot of trouble from some of my family members and friends because of the stuff that is on 's web page. Unfortunately when I encouraged them to do some research on line, her's was the first web page they pulled up..and it just went downhill from there. I know what you mean...I've had friends see that also and it takes alot to get people educated if that is the first thing they find. As far as the money request goes I don't really think this is the format to do this type of request. Of course we all feel for ...I feel for anyone in need and having a hard time...especially a single parent since I also am one. But we all have our problems and many here are having problems financially also. I dont think its right to set one person apart as more important here for help financially than another as I know there are many in need of help...not to mention all of us trying to figure out how we're going to pay for our surgeries after we get our loans and then what we'll do if we cant get our labs covered afterwards. I hope that doesnt sound cold because I really feel for her but I just don't feel its fair to put the people on this list in a position to have to shell out money to someone they do not know. I really do wish her the best...I've been in her shoes so I know how hard it is... ~~* AJ *~~ BMI 59 Surgery date 7/24/01 going self pay - Dr Baltasar Spain Check out the Bellingham Support for WLS WWW.lookin2bthin.homestead.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 > I agree with regarding teh motivations of 's webstie. > However, I must agree with the others. I don't think that electronic > panhandling is appropriate. There are many people with issues. I > don't want this group to turn into an electronic version of Calcutta! > > Please, No more requests for cash from anyone!! Just information and > support only. While we have no list rule against asking for financial help, I have to say that I agree with Chris. Maybe something the moderators should talk about adding to the list rules? Don't want to be uncharitable, but I do think that requests for money put many people in an uncomfortable position for a wide variety of reasons. Kris Gibbs' Yahoo Groups mailing list -- New Life Teams for Better Health -- is an appropriate place to talk about helping others, and they are trying to do this in a way that doesn't unfairly impose on anyone. Take a look at her Yahoo Groups list is you want to join her list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newlifeteams M. --- in Valrico, FL, age 38 Starting weight 299, now 156 Starting BMI 49.7, now 26.0 Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99 http://www.duodenalswitch.com Direct replies: mailto:melanie@... _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 > I agree with regarding teh motivations of 's webstie. > However, I must agree with the others. I don't think that electronic > panhandling is appropriate. There are many people with issues. I > don't want this group to turn into an electronic version of Calcutta! > > Please, No more requests for cash from anyone!! Just information and > support only. While we have no list rule against asking for financial help, I have to say that I agree with Chris. Maybe something the moderators should talk about adding to the list rules? Don't want to be uncharitable, but I do think that requests for money put many people in an uncomfortable position for a wide variety of reasons. Kris Gibbs' Yahoo Groups mailing list -- New Life Teams for Better Health -- is an appropriate place to talk about helping others, and they are trying to do this in a way that doesn't unfairly impose on anyone. Take a look at her Yahoo Groups list is you want to join her list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newlifeteams M. --- in Valrico, FL, age 38 Starting weight 299, now 156 Starting BMI 49.7, now 26.0 Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99 http://www.duodenalswitch.com Direct replies: mailto:melanie@... _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 LT has NOT had her MGB revised to an RNY or any other surgery. Did you also know that LT was his biggest supporter until he turned her down for a job opening in his office? hmm.... in FL Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery and > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in the > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. is > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY folks. > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for a > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that have > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to > WLS. > > in Seattle > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 LT has NOT had her MGB revised to an RNY or any other surgery. Did you also know that LT was his biggest supporter until he turned her down for a job opening in his office? hmm.... in FL Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery and > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in the > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. is > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY folks. > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for a > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that have > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to > WLS. > > in Seattle > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 The discussion of is irrelevant to this list. Let's not take it any further. Thanks. > Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > > > LT has NOT had her MGB revised to an RNY or any other surgery. > > Did you also know that LT was his biggest supporter until he > turned her down for a job opening in his office? > hmm.... > > in FL > Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > > > > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II > type surgery > and > > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned > because of the > > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is > also used in > the > > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the > Billroth II. > is > > responsible for saving many people from this horrible > surgery she had that > > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > > > has a website that contains lots of strong > statements. She also has > > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of > the MGB. Her > > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY > folks. > > is a member of that list. And members knew that > she was going for > a > > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > > > You may not like the way presents the information. > Her language is > > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find > inaccuracies on her > > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge > and his minions. > > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless > attacks that > have > > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution > has made to > > WLS. > > > > in Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 The discussion of is irrelevant to this list. Let's not take it any further. Thanks. > Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > > > LT has NOT had her MGB revised to an RNY or any other surgery. > > Did you also know that LT was his biggest supporter until he > turned her down for a job opening in his office? > hmm.... > > in FL > Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > > > > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II > type surgery > and > > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned > because of the > > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is > also used in > the > > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the > Billroth II. > is > > responsible for saving many people from this horrible > surgery she had that > > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > > > has a website that contains lots of strong > statements. She also has > > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of > the MGB. Her > > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY > folks. > > is a member of that list. And members knew that > she was going for > a > > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > > > You may not like the way presents the information. > Her language is > > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find > inaccuracies on her > > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge > and his minions. > > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless > attacks that > have > > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution > has made to > > WLS. > > > > in Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 , please get your facts correct before you post. Yes, everyone who knows that was once a supporter of Dr R. She says that openly. No, it is a lie that she turned on him because he denied her a job. That is *his* lie that you bought. She turned on him when she realized that he was lying to her about the complications of her surgery. Dr Rutledge and the MGB supporters have worked hard to poison minds against and get them to reject her warnings. Looks like you bought some lies hook, line and sinker. Yes, she had a revision to an RNY. Her revision was done in May by Dr. De and Dr. Shan Kothari at the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond, VA. They are part of Dr. Harvey Sugerman's group. Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > > > > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery > and > > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the > > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in > the > > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. > is > > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that > > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has > > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her > > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY > folks. > > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for > a > > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is > > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her > > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. > > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that > have > > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to > > WLS. > > > > in Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 , please get your facts correct before you post. Yes, everyone who knows that was once a supporter of Dr R. She says that openly. No, it is a lie that she turned on him because he denied her a job. That is *his* lie that you bought. She turned on him when she realized that he was lying to her about the complications of her surgery. Dr Rutledge and the MGB supporters have worked hard to poison minds against and get them to reject her warnings. Looks like you bought some lies hook, line and sinker. Yes, she had a revision to an RNY. Her revision was done in May by Dr. De and Dr. Shan Kothari at the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond, VA. They are part of Dr. Harvey Sugerman's group. Re: PLEASE HELP SHANNON WATTS > > > > This is not a hoax. has been the moving force behind > > exposing Dr Rutledge of NC who was performing a Billroth II type surgery > and > > calling it a MiniGastic Bypass. This surgery was abandoned because of the > > damage it does with bile reflux. The RNY connection (as is also used in > the > > DS) was invented to solve the problems caused by the Billroth II. > is > > responsible for saving many people from this horrible surgery she had that > > nearly killed her until she was revised to an RNY. > > > > has a website that contains lots of strong statements. She also has > > about the best site with documentation about the dangers of the MGB. Her > > mail list has been very supportive to the DS patients as well as RNY > folks. > > is a member of that list. And members knew that she was going for > a > > revision. Her website includes DS surgeons: > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/findadoc.htm > > > > You may not like the way presents the information. Her language is > > strong-- some are offended. But I dare anyone to find inaccuracies on her > > website. She has been publically maligned by Dr Rutledge and his minions. > > The attacks I read here are just echoes of those worthless attacks that > have > > nothing to do with surgery, or the contribution has made to > > WLS. > > > > in Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Okay boss lady LOL ----- Original Message ----- > The discussion of is irrelevant to this list. Let's not > take it any further. Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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