Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Is it because the shoes are new and the leather is stiff?? Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them up! Slept about as well as she always does... But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in bed now... *********************************************************** OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on top of the others. 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a chance to for y'all to take a peek at. 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say this was difficult yet. oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched around on our pair? 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she was fitted. Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So at least they know that. I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to us. I sure hope he did. I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I guess. All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. 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Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Is it because the shoes are new and the leather is stiff?? Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them up! Slept about as well as she always does... But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in bed now... *********************************************************** OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on top of the others. 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a chance to for y'all to take a peek at. 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say this was difficult yet. oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched around on our pair? 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she was fitted. Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So at least they know that. I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to us. I sure hope he did. I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I guess. All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. 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Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Do they change the style of those shoes often? Everyone seems to have a different type of shoes? Re: Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! Hello Kori. is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking about? Does Darbi's have those? That was the biggest disappointment for me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get easier when they break in more. My DH still can't put them on right, without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! I also haven't noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good or bad. I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any other changes were made. By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to fix it. HTH!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Do they change the style of those shoes often? Everyone seems to have a different type of shoes? Re: Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! Hello Kori. is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking about? Does Darbi's have those? That was the biggest disappointment for me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get easier when they break in more. My DH still can't put them on right, without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! I also haven't noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good or bad. I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any other changes were made. By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to fix it. HTH!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them up! Slept about as well as she always does... But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in bed now... *********************************************************** OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on top of the others. 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a chance to for y'all to take a peek at. 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say this was difficult yet. oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched around on our pair? 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she was fitted. Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So at least they know that. I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to us. I sure hope he did. I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I guess. All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. 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Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them up! Slept about as well as she always does... But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in bed now... *********************************************************** OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on top of the others. 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a chance to for y'all to take a peek at. 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say this was difficult yet. oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched around on our pair? 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she was fitted. Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So at least they know that. I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to us. I sure hope he did. I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I guess. All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. 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Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Wow! Can't believe Darbi - " I don't want these shoes " after all you went through to get them!!! LOL Go figure. It's too bad you are having these problems. I hope they work themselves out so that the brace works like we are hoping. We should be getting our p/m brace here in a couple weeks and we can compare notes. Darby Livi 3.15.04 bi cf > I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday > morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the > socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She > was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at > 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them > away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told > her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them > up! Slept about as well as she always does... > > But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying > and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she > pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed > that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's > coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same > side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't > adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for > nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky > and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in > bed now... > > *********************************************************** > > OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't > refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And > she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this > morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's > something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw > won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here > before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their > design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking > perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her > Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not > enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to > grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be > tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a > different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we > have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the > socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? > > So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > > 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too > wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than > the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't > go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which > is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the > Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I > can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the > buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > > 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But > being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to > the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that > area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine > were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being > squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now > when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on > top of the others. > > 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the > shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > > 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the > inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded > thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the > leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the > top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over > the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely > no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But > I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will > take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a > chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > > 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue > thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on > anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the > straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no > one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say > this was difficult yet. > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned > this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it > gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never > understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask > why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched > around on our pair? > > 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they > were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to > the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. > > 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much > as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the > dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 > degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are > dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a > little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her > non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser > dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change > this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > > I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get > ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and > they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she > was fitted. > > Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set > heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I > suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a > psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this > so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have > to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the > undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about > it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and > over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it > was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to > argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I > told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as > I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So > there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they > adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > > They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly > out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are > down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form > and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, > about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So > at least they know that. > > I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to > us. I sure hope he did. > > I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered > it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I > may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to > help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have > to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I > guess. > > All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with > her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a > flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad > on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since > the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that > she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's > the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where > she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I > think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! > > Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions > for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it > exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue > thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to > dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is > this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > > Kori > 2yo Darbi's mama > Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Wow! Can't believe Darbi - " I don't want these shoes " after all you went through to get them!!! LOL Go figure. It's too bad you are having these problems. I hope they work themselves out so that the brace works like we are hoping. We should be getting our p/m brace here in a couple weeks and we can compare notes. Darby Livi 3.15.04 bi cf > I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday > morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the > socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She > was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at > 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them > away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told > her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them > up! Slept about as well as she always does... > > But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying > and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she > pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed > that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's > coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same > side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't > adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for > nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky > and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in > bed now... > > *********************************************************** > > OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't > refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And > she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this > morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's > something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw > won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here > before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their > design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking > perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her > Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not > enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to > grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be > tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a > different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we > have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the > socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? > > So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > > 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too > wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than > the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't > go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which > is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the > Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I > can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the > buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > > 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But > being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to > the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that > area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine > were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being > squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now > when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on > top of the others. > > 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the > shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > > 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the > inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded > thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the > leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the > top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over > the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely > no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But > I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will > take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a > chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > > 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue > thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on > anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the > straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no > one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say > this was difficult yet. > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned > this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it > gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never > understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask > why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched > around on our pair? > > 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they > were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to > the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. > > 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much > as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the > dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 > degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are > dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a > little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her > non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser > dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change > this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > > I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get > ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and > they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she > was fitted. > > Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set > heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I > suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a > psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this > so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have > to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the > undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about > it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and > over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it > was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to > argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I > told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as > I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So > there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they > adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > > They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly > out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are > down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form > and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, > about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So > at least they know that. > > I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to > us. I sure hope he did. > > I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered > it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I > may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to > help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have > to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I > guess. > > All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with > her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a > flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad > on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since > the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that > she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's > the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where > she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I > think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! > > Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions > for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it > exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue > thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to > dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is > this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > > Kori > 2yo Darbi's mama > Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 It's not stiff at all, in fact... more the opposite. Very soft suede. Kori At 03:59 PM 6/12/2003, you wrote: >Is it because the shoes are new and the leather is stiff?? > > Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! > >I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday >morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the >socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She >was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at >8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them >away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told >her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them >up! Slept about as well as she always does... > >But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying >and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she >pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed >that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's >coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same >side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't >adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for >nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky >and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in >bed now... > >*********************************************************** > >OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't >refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And >she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this >morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's >something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw >won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here >before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their >design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking >perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her >Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not >enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to >grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be >tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a >different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we >have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the >socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? > >So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > >1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too >wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than >the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't >go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which >is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the >Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I >can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the >buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > >2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But >being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to >the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that >area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine >were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being >squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now >when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on >top of the others. > >3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the >shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > >4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the >inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded >thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the >leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the >top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over >the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely >no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But >I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will >take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a >chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > >5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue >thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on >anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the >straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no >one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say >this was difficult yet. > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned >this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it >gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never >understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask >why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched >around on our pair? > >6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they >were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to >the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. > >7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much >as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the >dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 >degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are >dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a >little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her >non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser >dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change >this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > >I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get >ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and >they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she >was fitted. > >Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set >heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I >suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a >psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this >so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have >to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the >undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about >it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and >over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it >was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to >argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I >told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as >I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So >there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they >adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > >They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly >out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are >down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form >and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, >about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So >at least they know that. > >I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to >us. I sure hope he did. > >I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered >it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I >may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to >help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have >to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I >guess. > >All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with >her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a >flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad >on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since >the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that >she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's >the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where >she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I >think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! > >Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions >for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it >exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue >thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to >dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is >this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > >Kori >2yo Darbi's mama >Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 It's not stiff at all, in fact... more the opposite. Very soft suede. Kori At 03:59 PM 6/12/2003, you wrote: >Is it because the shoes are new and the leather is stiff?? > > Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! > >I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday >morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the >socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She >was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at >8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them >away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told >her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them >up! Slept about as well as she always does... > >But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying >and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she >pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed >that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's >coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same >side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't >adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for >nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky >and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in >bed now... > >*********************************************************** > >OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't >refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And >she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this >morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's >something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw >won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here >before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their >design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking >perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her >Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not >enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to >grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be >tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a >different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we >have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the >socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? > >So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > >1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too >wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than >the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't >go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which >is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the >Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I >can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the >buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > >2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But >being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to >the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that >area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine >were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being >squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now >when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on >top of the others. > >3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the >shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > >4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the >inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded >thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the >leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the >top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over >the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely >no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But >I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will >take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a >chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > >5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue >thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on >anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the >straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no >one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say >this was difficult yet. > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned >this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it >gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never >understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask >why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched >around on our pair? > >6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they >were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to >the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. > >7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much >as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the >dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 >degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are >dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a >little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her >non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser >dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change >this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > >I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get >ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and >they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she >was fitted. > >Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set >heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I >suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a >psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this >so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have >to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the >undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about >it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and >over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it >was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to >argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I >told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as >I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So >there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they >adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > >They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly >out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are >down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form >and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, >about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So >at least they know that. > >I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to >us. I sure hope he did. > >I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered >it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I >may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to >help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have >to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I >guess. > >All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with >her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a >flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad >on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since >the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that >she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's >the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where >she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I >think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! > >Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions >for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it >exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue >thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to >dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is >this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > >Kori >2yo Darbi's mama >Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 We are on our 4th pair of 's. Rachael went into them straight from her last cast d/t her " petite " feet. We don't have any experience with the Markell's. With each new pair there is a breaking-in period. The straps always seem to be too wide but within a short period of time they slide in and out of the buckle easily. I was having slight problems with the tongue on her last pair but found out it was more of a user malfunction than a problem with the brace. When we got Rachael's new pair of sandals at her appointment with Dr. Ponseti in May, drew a line on the tongue so I would know where to match the middle strap and tongue up ... easier to do when she is not wiggling around. I always press down on Rachael's knee to get her heel down in the sandal then bring the tongue over as far as possible making sure that it is smooth across her foot and then fasten the middle buckle. I then buckle the top and then the bottom strap. You will have an easier time as you get more comfortable with manuevering the tongue and straps together. Good Luck!! Bridget Rachael 2/20/04 blcf > > I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called > yesterday > > morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't > like the > > socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go > lol! She > > was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them > on her at > > 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed > them > > away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. > I told > > her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was > buckling them > > up! Slept about as well as she always does... > > > > But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she > started crying > > and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt > and she > > pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I > noticed > > that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that > it's > > coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the > same > > side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if > you don't > > adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear > them for > > nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was > cranky > > and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. > She's in > > bed now... > > > > *********************************************************** > > > > OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above > doesn't > > refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of > course. And > > she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full > time this > > morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because > there's > > something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the > screw > > won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said > here > > before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of > their > > design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly > thinking > > perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared > them to her > > Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was > not > > enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to > have to > > grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it > could be > > tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need > a > > different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than > the ones we > > have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the > > socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of > problem? > > > > So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > > > > 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that > are too > > wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting > these on than > > the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. > They don't > > go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily > either. Which > > is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the > > Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too > because I > > can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the > > buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > > > > 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is > GREAT! But > > being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her > toes to > > the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much > movement in that > > area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if > mine > > were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being > > squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in > there and now > > when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting > up and on > > top of the others. > > > > 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in > the > > shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > > > > 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! > It's the > > inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a > molded > > thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside > the > > leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well > over the > > top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a > half over > > the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves > absolutely > > no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery > stuff. But > > I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as > AFO's. I will > > take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I > get a > > chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > > > > 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue > > thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on > > anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the > side the > > straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. > Does no > > one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard > anyone say > > this was difficult yet. > > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already > mentioned > > this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make > sure it > > gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will > never > > understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to > ask > > why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got > switched > > around on our pair? > > > > 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms > saying they > > were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was > painful to > > the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was > wondering. > > > > 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near > as much > > as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the > > dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was > 10-15 > > degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these > are > > dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be > bent a > > little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more > than her > > non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a > lesser > > dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change > > this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > > > > I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't > want to get > > ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser > need and > > they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from > when she > > was fitted. > > > > Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should > be set > > heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I > was I > > suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me > a > > psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm > doing this > > so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want > me to have > > to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the > > undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about > > it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist > over and > > over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept > telling me it > > was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I > have to > > argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just > left. I > > told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as > long as > > I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So > > there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they > > adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > > > > They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the > babes newly > > out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the > heels are > > down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel > will form > > and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. > Also, > > about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle > strap. So > > at least they know that. > > > > I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave > them to > > us. I sure hope he did. > > > > I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't > ordered > > it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of > July so I > > may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace > shop to > > help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about > it... have > > to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and > decide later I > > guess. > > > > All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's > done with > > her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have > such a > > flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't > have a pad > > on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the > floors since > > the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here > soon that > > she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, > she's > > the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age > where > > she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now > and I > > think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I > love that! > > > > Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or > suggestions > > for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need > to do it > > exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of > that tongue > > thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to > > dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle > strap. Is > > this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > > > > Kori > > 2yo Darbi's mama > > Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 We are on our 4th pair of 's. Rachael went into them straight from her last cast d/t her " petite " feet. We don't have any experience with the Markell's. With each new pair there is a breaking-in period. The straps always seem to be too wide but within a short period of time they slide in and out of the buckle easily. I was having slight problems with the tongue on her last pair but found out it was more of a user malfunction than a problem with the brace. When we got Rachael's new pair of sandals at her appointment with Dr. Ponseti in May, drew a line on the tongue so I would know where to match the middle strap and tongue up ... easier to do when she is not wiggling around. I always press down on Rachael's knee to get her heel down in the sandal then bring the tongue over as far as possible making sure that it is smooth across her foot and then fasten the middle buckle. I then buckle the top and then the bottom strap. You will have an easier time as you get more comfortable with manuevering the tongue and straps together. Good Luck!! Bridget Rachael 2/20/04 blcf > > I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called > yesterday > > morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't > like the > > socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go > lol! She > > was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them > on her at > > 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed > them > > away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. > I told > > her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was > buckling them > > up! Slept about as well as she always does... > > > > But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she > started crying > > and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt > and she > > pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I > noticed > > that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that > it's > > coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the > same > > side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if > you don't > > adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear > them for > > nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was > cranky > > and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. > She's in > > bed now... > > > > *********************************************************** > > > > OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above > doesn't > > refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of > course. And > > she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full > time this > > morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because > there's > > something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the > screw > > won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said > here > > before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of > their > > design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly > thinking > > perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared > them to her > > Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was > not > > enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to > have to > > grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it > could be > > tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need > a > > different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than > the ones we > > have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the > > socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of > problem? > > > > So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > > > > 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that > are too > > wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting > these on than > > the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. > They don't > > go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily > either. Which > > is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the > > Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too > because I > > can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the > > buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > > > > 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is > GREAT! But > > being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her > toes to > > the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much > movement in that > > area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if > mine > > were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being > > squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in > there and now > > when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting > up and on > > top of the others. > > > > 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in > the > > shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > > > > 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! > It's the > > inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a > molded > > thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside > the > > leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well > over the > > top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a > half over > > the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves > absolutely > > no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery > stuff. But > > I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as > AFO's. I will > > take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I > get a > > chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > > > > 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue > > thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on > > anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the > side the > > straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. > Does no > > one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard > anyone say > > this was difficult yet. > > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already > mentioned > > this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make > sure it > > gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will > never > > understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to > ask > > why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got > switched > > around on our pair? > > > > 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms > saying they > > were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was > painful to > > the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was > wondering. > > > > 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near > as much > > as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the > > dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was > 10-15 > > degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these > are > > dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be > bent a > > little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more > than her > > non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a > lesser > > dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change > > this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > > > > I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't > want to get > > ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser > need and > > they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from > when she > > was fitted. > > > > Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should > be set > > heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I > was I > > suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me > a > > psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm > doing this > > so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want > me to have > > to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the > > undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about > > it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist > over and > > over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept > telling me it > > was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I > have to > > argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just > left. I > > told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as > long as > > I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So > > there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they > > adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > > > > They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the > babes newly > > out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the > heels are > > down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel > will form > > and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. > Also, > > about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle > strap. So > > at least they know that. > > > > I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave > them to > > us. I sure hope he did. > > > > I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't > ordered > > it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of > July so I > > may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace > shop to > > help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about > it... have > > to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and > decide later I > > guess. > > > > All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's > done with > > her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have > such a > > flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't > have a pad > > on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the > floors since > > the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here > soon that > > she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, > she's > > the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age > where > > she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now > and I > > think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I > love that! > > > > Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or > suggestions > > for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need > to do it > > exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of > that tongue > > thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to > > dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle > strap. Is > > this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > > > > Kori > > 2yo Darbi's mama > > Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 We are on our second pair. I did notice the changes you mentioned in the shoe. The only problem we had was that the tongue " flap " was way too big. It would almost wrap around her foot and then bunch up when we buckled it. We trimmed it back about a 1/3 " it now fits more comfortable. As far as the straps go...it's just newness, give it time to break in. HTH, KK Livi Ava bilat atypical cf p/m 16-18/7 > I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday > morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the > socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She > was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at > 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them > away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told > her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them > up! Slept about as well as she always does... > > But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying > and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she > pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed > that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's > coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same > side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't > adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for > nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky > and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in > bed now... > > *********************************************************** > > OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't > refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And > she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this > morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's > something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw > won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here > before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their > design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking > perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her > Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not > enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to > grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be > tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a > different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we > have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the > socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? > > So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > > 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too > wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than > the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't > go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which > is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the > Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I > can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the > buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > > 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But > being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to > the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that > area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine > were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being > squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now > when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on > top of the others. > > 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the > shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > > 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the > inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded > thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the > leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the > top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over > the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely > no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But > I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will > take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a > chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > > 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue > thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on > anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the > straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no > one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say > this was difficult yet. > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned > this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it > gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never > understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask > why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched > around on our pair? > > 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they > were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to > the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. > > 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much > as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the > dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 > degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are > dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a > little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her > non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser > dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change > this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > > I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get > ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and > they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she > was fitted. > > Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set > heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I > suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a > psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this > so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have > to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the > undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about > it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and > over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it > was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to > argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I > told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as > I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So > there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they > adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > > They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly > out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are > down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form > and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, > about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So > at least they know that. > > I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to > us. I sure hope he did. > > I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered > it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I > may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to > help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have > to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I > guess. > > All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with > her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a > flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad > on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since > the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that > she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's > the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where > she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I > think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! > > Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions > for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it > exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue > thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to > dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is > this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > > Kori > 2yo Darbi's mama > Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 We are on our second pair. I did notice the changes you mentioned in the shoe. The only problem we had was that the tongue " flap " was way too big. It would almost wrap around her foot and then bunch up when we buckled it. We trimmed it back about a 1/3 " it now fits more comfortable. As far as the straps go...it's just newness, give it time to break in. HTH, KK Livi Ava bilat atypical cf p/m 16-18/7 > I had company last night, so wasn't able to post but they called yesterday > morning and we picked her shoes up in the afternoon. She didn't like the > socks they made and absolutely hated the shoes from the get go lol! She > was cranky and tired and in a mood all evening. When I put them on her at > 8:30, she actually told me " I don't want these shoes " and pushed them > away. I asked her if she wanted her old shoes and she said yes. I told > her no, and put them on anyway. She fell asleep while I was buckling them > up! Slept about as well as she always does... > > But this morning when I was away taking Kento to school she started crying > and saying ow and daddy took them off. I asked her where it hurt and she > pointed to the top of her foot where the tongue thingie lies. I noticed > that it doesn't exactly lie flat on her foot. And, it seems that it's > coming from the wrong side for cinching, as it folds over from the same > side you're cinching it towards. Which tends to bunch it up if you don't > adjust it. That's strange if you ask me... So I had her wear them for > nap today, and left again to go get Kenton. When she woke she was cranky > and pointed to her shoes and said ow. Daddy again took them off. She's in > bed now... > > *********************************************************** > > OK- since I wrote that last night but didn't send, all the above doesn't > refer to yesterday lol... it's referring to the day before of course. And > she slept fine last night and even wore her shoes for the full time this > morning. BUT... I also reduced the abduction 10 degrees because there's > something wrong with the screw hole for the 70 degree setting (the screw > won't go in all the way) and I thought I remembered something said here > before about the P/M's being set at a lesser degree because of their > design. So, I used the other screw hole that works properly thinking > perhaps it was abducted too much. However... when I compared them to her > Markell's this morning I saw that I was wrong, and 60 degrees was not > enough. So I set them back with the bum screw and am going to have to > grind the screw off a bit so it seats properly. I asked DH if it could be > tapped and he said he didn't want to mess it up and it would need a > different kind of tap (one that is not tapered at the tip) than the ones we > have because the part that needs tapping is so deep in the > socket. Squashed that idea... Anyone else ever have this kind of problem? > > So far, I have a few comments and questions about this brace. > > 1- Is it just our pair or all of these coming out with straps that are too > wide for the buckles? I swear, I spend way more time putting these on than > the Markell's and it's not easy with the straps being too wide. They don't > go in easily... but then again they don't come off easily either. Which > is good for Darbs because she can't get them off like she does the > Markells... but it also takes me a long time to get them off too because I > can't hardly get under the straps to get them loosened from the > buckles. Thoughts?? Should I trim them? With what? > > 2- There seems to be a LOT of room in the toe box. Which is GREAT! But > being that there's something like 1/4 " room on both sides of her toes to > the edges of the shoe, I wonder if it might allow too much movement in that > area. I was wondering if all these shoes came out like that or if mine > were made extra wide because of our problem with the toes being > squashed. As a side note, I'm just thrilled with the room in there and now > when I put her shoes on her toes sit flat instead of one lifting up and on > top of the others. > > 3- Even though the screws are tight, there's still some slop in the > shoes. Just a little bit. Do others have this issue too? > > 4- I know what that part is that qualifies them for AFO's!!!! It's the > inside rubbery thing that used to be yellow. It used to just be a molded > thing that served as an insole that wraps the foot a bit inside the > leather. NOW... it's white and the heel portion is extended well over the > top of the heel area of leather and sticks up about an inch and a half over > the leather. It looks like an AFO in this respect. It serves absolutely > no purpose that I can see because it's all floppy soft rubbery stuff. But > I'm pretty sure this is what he added to get them covered as AFO's. I will > take a picture of them and post to the CFPics list as soon as I get a > chance to for y'all to take a peek at. > > 5- (back to complaining/critiquing/wondering) - The little tongue > thingie... Why on earth is it attached to the side you cinch on > anyway? What a PITA to get it straight! If it pulled from the side the > straps are sewn to, that would make a whole lot more sense to me. Does no > one else have problems getting it flat because I've never heard anyone say > this was difficult yet. > oops... sorry, I just read up and see that I already mentioned > this. Well, it's irritating so I'm leaving it in twice to make sure it > gets noticed - love to hear any comments. I can see that I will never > understand that logic and will probably be taking that to to ask > why. I wonder if he just made them so fast that something got switched > around on our pair? > > 6- the soles are smooth on these now. I remembered some moms saying they > were ridged or had some kind of imprint on them before that was painful to > the parent. So that's all smooth now, in case anyone was wondering. > > 7- they're dorsiflexed, but not very much. Certainly nowhere near as much > as any of her other pairs have been. I have never measured the > dorsiflexion they bend into her bars, I always just assumed it was 10-15 > degrees like it's supposed to be. Anyone know what degree these are > dorsiflexed to from the factory and if perhaps they may need to be bent a > little more? She has fantastic dorsiflexion in her clubfoot, more than her > non CF actually. I don't want to compromise this by using a lesser > dorsiflexed brace over her last year of splinting if it may change > this. Any thoughts on this are also very welcome. > > I sure hope Kai's shoes are on the way, because I really didn't want to get > ours before he got his. I feel bad now, because ours is a lesser need and > they came very, very soon if you ask me. Something like 3-4w from when she > was fitted. > > Interestingly enough, the instructions indicated that they should be set > heel to heel. So that's how they were set at the brace shop and I was I > suppose vindicated some on that one issue. Rob jokingly called me a > psychotic mom or something like that - and I mentioned that I'm doing this > so I don't have to come back, which he then said they don't want me to have > to come back either lol (joking, but kinda serious... I *got* the > undertones even though we were both joking and laughing about > it). Obviously in reference to the incident where I had to insist over and > over again that her brace was too short and that woman kept telling me it > was fine until I blew up and asked pretty nasty like " Why do I have to > argue about this with you? " and got frustrated and almost just left. I > told him I was the thorn in their side and would continue to be as long as > I was able to help babies have straight feet without surgery. So > there!!! Oh, and this brace is even wider than the ones they > adjusted/modified for me about 3w ago. Hummmm.... > > They did like the shoes though, and I told them about how the babes newly > out of casts who use that brace likely will not look as if the heels are > down all the way in the back. But after a few months, the heel will form > and it will come down. I thought they might want to know that. Also, > about the shoes ability to help correct cavus with that middle strap. So > at least they know that. > > I do not know if Dr. Sussman got to look at them before they gave them to > us. I sure hope he did. > > I couldn't get much help on toe splinting because the Dr. hasn't ordered > it, but we have an appointment with Dr. Sussman on the 17th of July so I > may wait till then and ask him to write some orders for the brace shop to > help me with splinting materials. I may write him sooner about it... have > to think about what is the best thing to do at this time and decide later I > guess. > > All in all, I'm glad we have them and I hope they last till she's done with > her splinting phase in a year or so. I really like that they have such a > flat bottom and she can finally stand without wobbling. I don't have a pad > on the bar, but it doesn't seem like it's going to damage the floors since > the metal doesn't touch. I am hoping to be able to report here soon that > she is able to walk in them unaided soon because as far as I know, she's > the oldest child who has a pair of these and will be at the age where > she'll be able to do that soon. She's been walking forever by now and I > think she *can* walk in them unaided because they're so flat. I love that! > > Thanks for reading if you got this far and for any comments or suggestions > for applying them that anyone has. So far, it seems that you need to do it > exactly opposite from what you do with the Markells because of that tongue > thing bunching up. I have to point her feet a bit (as opposed to > dorsiflexing) to get it all flat and *then* buckle the middle strap. Is > this right? Any and all pointers are welcome. > > Kori > 2yo Darbi's mama > Ponseti FAB 12-14hr/d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hello Kori. is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking about? Does Darbi's have those? That was the biggest disappointment for me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get easier when they break in more. My DH still can't put them on right, without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! I also haven't noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good or bad. I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any other changes were made. By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to fix it. HTH!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hello Kori. is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking about? Does Darbi's have those? That was the biggest disappointment for me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get easier when they break in more. My DH still can't put them on right, without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! I also haven't noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good or bad. I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any other changes were made. By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to fix it. HTH!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 At 04:39 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote: >Hello Kori. > is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those >changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the >strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did >notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on >the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking >about? Does Darbi's have those? nope. that'd be nice though. >That was the biggest disappointment for >me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap >through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay >flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get >easier when they break in more. I must not be getting the top strap tight enough because in the morning, the flap is outside/on top of the top strap instead of tucked under it like it's supposed to be. > My DH still can't put them on right, >without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he >puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. >Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! LOL, I can get her other shoes on in just a few minutes and these take forever! She still insists she doesn't like them. But her toes are so free in them, she wiggles them around and they sit flat again which is the main reason I wanted them. So I like them, even if she doesn't. >I also haven't >noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I >put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of >your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good >or bad. I will do that. If I thought I was sure about the tongue before, I'm positive now. It just doesn't make sense for it to come from the side that it does considering it's cinched the opposite. You could pull tighter if it came from the same side the straps are sewn to. It gets to a point where there's a little more stretch available but it's tight enough that you can't smooth the flap down under the strap and any more pulling would bunch it more. hummm... >I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending >it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any >other changes were made. > >By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to >fix it. OK, thanks! But I wonder what could be done all the way out here on the west coast? If I had the right kind of tap, I'd just do it myself. I am going to find an old pair of tennies or some kind of shoe with a rubbery sole and tear them apart and glue the rubbery sole to the bottom of these shoes. They're just too slick for her to stand in on the hardwood floors. And that's about all we have other than linoleum on the first floor. She stands up, leans a little and they slide right out from under her. CRASH!! I figure a rubbery sole would do the trick. hummm... I may go to a shoe repair shop and see if they have something that'd work. I wonder if anyone else thinks more traction on the bottoms would be a good thing for their babes? Thanks everyone for the comments! I am looking forward to getting these broken in more so life is a little easier. It's good to know they're made that wide for a reason and it'll work itself out. I *was* buckling them all the way up but last night I didn't bother. Since she can't pull them hard enough to get the buckles undone anyway I probably won't do them completely up ever again. I never buckled her others up all the way either. I bet most of you buckle them up nice and proper like huh? hehe... me lazy! Kori >HTH!!! > > > > > Shook >Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor >Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. >2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 >Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 At 04:39 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote: >Hello Kori. > is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those >changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the >strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did >notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on >the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking >about? Does Darbi's have those? nope. that'd be nice though. >That was the biggest disappointment for >me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap >through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay >flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get >easier when they break in more. I must not be getting the top strap tight enough because in the morning, the flap is outside/on top of the top strap instead of tucked under it like it's supposed to be. > My DH still can't put them on right, >without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he >puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. >Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! LOL, I can get her other shoes on in just a few minutes and these take forever! She still insists she doesn't like them. But her toes are so free in them, she wiggles them around and they sit flat again which is the main reason I wanted them. So I like them, even if she doesn't. >I also haven't >noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I >put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of >your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good >or bad. I will do that. If I thought I was sure about the tongue before, I'm positive now. It just doesn't make sense for it to come from the side that it does considering it's cinched the opposite. You could pull tighter if it came from the same side the straps are sewn to. It gets to a point where there's a little more stretch available but it's tight enough that you can't smooth the flap down under the strap and any more pulling would bunch it more. hummm... >I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending >it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any >other changes were made. > >By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to >fix it. OK, thanks! But I wonder what could be done all the way out here on the west coast? If I had the right kind of tap, I'd just do it myself. I am going to find an old pair of tennies or some kind of shoe with a rubbery sole and tear them apart and glue the rubbery sole to the bottom of these shoes. They're just too slick for her to stand in on the hardwood floors. And that's about all we have other than linoleum on the first floor. She stands up, leans a little and they slide right out from under her. CRASH!! I figure a rubbery sole would do the trick. hummm... I may go to a shoe repair shop and see if they have something that'd work. I wonder if anyone else thinks more traction on the bottoms would be a good thing for their babes? Thanks everyone for the comments! I am looking forward to getting these broken in more so life is a little easier. It's good to know they're made that wide for a reason and it'll work itself out. I *was* buckling them all the way up but last night I didn't bother. Since she can't pull them hard enough to get the buckles undone anyway I probably won't do them completely up ever again. I never buckled her others up all the way either. I bet most of you buckle them up nice and proper like huh? hehe... me lazy! Kori >HTH!!! > > > > > Shook >Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor >Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. >2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 >Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I feel stupid asking this but what are P/M's?? Thanks! Lori _____ From: nosurgery4clubfoot [mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of frogabog Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:05 AM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: Re: Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! At 04:39 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote: >Hello Kori. > is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those >changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the >strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did >notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on >the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking >about? Does Darbi's have those? nope. that'd be nice though. >That was the biggest disappointment for >me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap >through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay >flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get >easier when they break in more. I must not be getting the top strap tight enough because in the morning, the flap is outside/on top of the top strap instead of tucked under it like it's supposed to be. > My DH still can't put them on right, >without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he >puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. >Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! LOL, I can get her other shoes on in just a few minutes and these take forever! She still insists she doesn't like them. But her toes are so free in them, she wiggles them around and they sit flat again which is the main reason I wanted them. So I like them, even if she doesn't. >I also haven't >noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I >put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of >your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good >or bad. I will do that. If I thought I was sure about the tongue before, I'm positive now. It just doesn't make sense for it to come from the side that it does considering it's cinched the opposite. You could pull tighter if it came from the same side the straps are sewn to. It gets to a point where there's a little more stretch available but it's tight enough that you can't smooth the flap down under the strap and any more pulling would bunch it more. hummm... >I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending >it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any >other changes were made. > >By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to >fix it. OK, thanks! But I wonder what could be done all the way out here on the west coast? If I had the right kind of tap, I'd just do it myself. I am going to find an old pair of tennies or some kind of shoe with a rubbery sole and tear them apart and glue the rubbery sole to the bottom of these shoes. They're just too slick for her to stand in on the hardwood floors. And that's about all we have other than linoleum on the first floor. She stands up, leans a little and they slide right out from under her. CRASH!! I figure a rubbery sole would do the trick. hummm... I may go to a shoe repair shop and see if they have something that'd work. I wonder if anyone else thinks more traction on the bottoms would be a good thing for their babes? Thanks everyone for the comments! I am looking forward to getting these broken in more so life is a little easier. It's good to know they're made that wide for a reason and it'll work itself out. I *was* buckling them all the way up but last night I didn't bother. Since she can't pull them hard enough to get the buckles undone anyway I probably won't do them completely up ever again. I never buckled her others up all the way either. I bet most of you buckle them up nice and proper like huh? hehe... me lazy! Kori >HTH!!! > > > > > Shook >Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor >Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. >2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 >Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I feel stupid asking this but what are P/M's?? Thanks! Lori _____ From: nosurgery4clubfoot [mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of frogabog Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:05 AM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: Re: Darbi got her P/M's yesterday! At 04:39 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote: >Hello Kori. > is only on her second pair of P/M's. did make several of those >changes you mentioned by her second pair. I have not experienced the >strap being wider than the buckle. That would be rather annoying. I did >notice, her second pair doesn't have the little rolly thing-a-majigs on >the buckle to help pull it through easier. Do you know what I am talking >about? Does Darbi's have those? nope. that'd be nice though. >That was the biggest disappointment for >me when we got her 2nd pair. It makes it much harder to pull the strap >through and get super tight! The middle tongue is very difficult to lay >flat and not bunch up, especially when they are new. That will get >easier when they break in more. I must not be getting the top strap tight enough because in the morning, the flap is outside/on top of the top strap instead of tucked under it like it's supposed to be. > My DH still can't put them on right, >without them bunching, so I find myself redoing them everytime after he >puts them on. I am so concerned about her feet being comfortable. >Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get them just right! LOL, I can get her other shoes on in just a few minutes and these take forever! She still insists she doesn't like them. But her toes are so free in them, she wiggles them around and they sit flat again which is the main reason I wanted them. So I like them, even if she doesn't. >I also haven't >noticed which side the middle tongue is sewn. Pretty sad considering I >put them on everyday, LOL!!!! I think you should certainly voice all of >your opinions to . He is always happy to hear feedback, whether good >or bad. I will do that. If I thought I was sure about the tongue before, I'm positive now. It just doesn't make sense for it to come from the side that it does considering it's cinched the opposite. You could pull tighter if it came from the same side the straps are sewn to. It gets to a point where there's a little more stretch available but it's tight enough that you can't smooth the flap down under the strap and any more pulling would bunch it more. hummm... >I just received an impression kit for 's 3rd pair. I will be sending >it out today. When I receive her new pair I can compare and see if any >other changes were made. > >By the way, let know about the screw problem ASAP. He will want to >fix it. OK, thanks! But I wonder what could be done all the way out here on the west coast? If I had the right kind of tap, I'd just do it myself. I am going to find an old pair of tennies or some kind of shoe with a rubbery sole and tear them apart and glue the rubbery sole to the bottom of these shoes. They're just too slick for her to stand in on the hardwood floors. And that's about all we have other than linoleum on the first floor. She stands up, leans a little and they slide right out from under her. CRASH!! I figure a rubbery sole would do the trick. hummm... I may go to a shoe repair shop and see if they have something that'd work. I wonder if anyone else thinks more traction on the bottoms would be a good thing for their babes? Thanks everyone for the comments! I am looking forward to getting these broken in more so life is a little easier. It's good to know they're made that wide for a reason and it'll work itself out. I *was* buckling them all the way up but last night I didn't bother. Since she can't pull them hard enough to get the buckles undone anyway I probably won't do them completely up ever again. I never buckled her others up all the way either. I bet most of you buckle them up nice and proper like huh? hehe... me lazy! Kori >HTH!!! > > > > > Shook >Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor >Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. >2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 >Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Ponseti brace. Kori started the P/M abbreviation because writing out s everytime is too much! LOL!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Ponseti brace. Kori started the P/M abbreviation because writing out s everytime is too much! LOL!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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