Diets

[Guest guest]

Vicky,

As you have found out, often you need to use principles or ideas of

different diets, and then just come up with an eating plan that works

for your child.

Is he taking digestive enzymes regularly? Which kinds. Often this can

really help widen the child's eating and relieve the food

intolerances. My younger son just wouldn't eat much at all until the

third week on Peptizyde and Zyme Prime. Then something just kicked in

and he started eating everything. He had colon and bacteria problems.

You might find better results if you give enzymes at each meal and

snack to help speed up gut healing.

I think of digestion not in terms of 'which diet' one does, but

rather from the gut's point of view and how to get the system working

better.

You know he is has yeast, so that is a starting point. What foods

does he eat at the moment? He probably craves the starches and sweets

due to the yeast. So for yeast control, add something like no-fenol,

candex, or candidase between meals (can give with the nystatin if it

is between meals). Don't be nervous about giving more than one

capsule of enzymes. Experiment with higher doses to clear that stuff

out. You might want to look into oregano, grapefruit seed extract, or

other anti-fungal herb as well.

Focus on the eliminating the yeast and the food intolerances may

start to take care of themselves.

With yeast, avoiding the dairy, simply starches, and fruits is

probably a plus at this point. Maybe he eats those things and knows

he feels badly because of the yeast growth. As the yeast is reduced

(and I know that is hard), then the food situation can improve.

The pecanbread.com site has some recipes that use simple ingredients.

You can incorporate some of the recipes without declaring " I am going

100% SCD " . Also check some of the candida diet recipes. At times,

people get so locked into all-or-nothing thinking, we can miss some

useful information.

As you look at these various diet sites, you can 'take what you need

and leave the rest'. Varying levels of compliance is fine with diets

if that is what works best for you.

A plus you have going for you is that your son likes sauces. Maybe

look at different recipes using meats that he can dip (chicken

nuggets allows dipping as do french fries).

Even when my kids were quite young, I learned that the presentation

is as much of the eating experience as the food. I would take the

same blah food they ate all the time and make different pictures on

their plates with it: alien faces, animal faces, a ship sailing to an

island, a hot air balloon, etc. Doesn't have to be fancy. They got as

much a kick out of seeing the picture and eating the picture up as

the food. Sometimes we would take the same food and eat it on a

blanket downstairs, in their rooms, outside, at the mall, etc. I

would put the sauces for dipping in various shaped containers for

variety too. Just ideas.

.

[Guest guest]

>

> Vicky,

>

> As you have found out, often you need to use principles or ideas of

> different diets, and then just come up with an eating plan that

works

> for your child.

>

> Is he taking digestive enzymes regularly? Which kinds. Often this

can

> really help widen the child's eating and relieve the food

> intolerances. My younger son just wouldn't eat much at all until

the

> third week on Peptizyde and Zyme Prime. Then something just kicked

in

> and he started eating everything. He had colon and bacteria

problems.

> You might find better results if you give enzymes at each meal and

> snack to help speed up gut healing.

>

> I think of digestion not in terms of 'which diet' one does, but

> rather from the gut's point of view and how to get the system

working

> better.

>

> You know he is has yeast, so that is a starting point. What foods

> does he eat at the moment? He probably craves the starches and

sweets

> due to the yeast. So for yeast control, add something like no-

fenol,

> candex, or candidase between meals (can give with the nystatin if

it

> is between meals). Don't be nervous about giving more than one

> capsule of enzymes. Experiment with higher doses to clear that

stuff

> out. You might want to look into oregano, grapefruit seed extract,

or

> other anti-fungal herb as well.

>

> Focus on the eliminating the yeast and the food intolerances may

> start to take care of themselves.

>

> With yeast, avoiding the dairy, simply starches, and fruits is

> probably a plus at this point. Maybe he eats those things and knows

> he feels badly because of the yeast growth. As the yeast is reduced

> (and I know that is hard), then the food situation can improve.

>

> The pecanbread.com site has some recipes that use simple

ingredients.

> You can incorporate some of the recipes without declaring " I am

going

> 100% SCD " . Also check some of the candida diet recipes. At times,

> people get so locked into all-or-nothing thinking, we can miss some

> useful information.

>

> As you look at these various diet sites, you can 'take what you

need

> and leave the rest'. Varying levels of compliance is fine with

diets

> if that is what works best for you.

>

> A plus you have going for you is that your son likes sauces. Maybe

> look at different recipes using meats that he can dip (chicken

> nuggets allows dipping as do french fries).

>

> Even when my kids were quite young, I learned that the presentation

> is as much of the eating experience as the food. I would take the

> same blah food they ate all the time and make different pictures on

> their plates with it: alien faces, animal faces, a ship sailing to

an

> island, a hot air balloon, etc. Doesn't have to be fancy. They got

as

> much a kick out of seeing the picture and eating the picture up as

> the food. Sometimes we would take the same food and eat it on a

> blanket downstairs, in their rooms, outside, at the mall, etc. I

> would put the sauces for dipping in various shaped containers for

> variety too. Just ideas.

>

> .

Thanks , yes the yeast is his most major problem, we are using

peptizyde and nofenol, but the nofenol we have to be dead careful

with he doesen't tolerate it well.

I will look at pecanbread site as you say there may be something in

there for him. I do find with the diet websites though they really go

overboard on the stuff they do allow, he was GF/CF for a yr and a

half I didn't realise at that time a lot of his problems were

Candida, and the diet had so much sugar, high carb and yeast in it's

recipes and allowed food he ended up ten times worse than when he

started.

Still further down the road these days and more experienced I will go

back and look again at what I can use, so you would say it's O.K. to

give him 2 pep with his meals?

Thanks

VICKY

[Guest guest]

, congratulations on quitting smoking. I know from experience

that that is quite a feat. I quit a little over 11 years ago. I didn't

gain weight when I quit. So weight gain is not mandatory. I needed

mouth activity, though, so I chewed gum. Sugarless. Still do. Just

don't substitute more food for the cigarettes. Good luck! Sue

On Thursday, August 4, 2005, at 04:03 PM, brenda3005@... wrote:

> I actually even bought a multi-vitamin last month-- and ate everything

> except for the wallpaper. Couldn't believe the appetite it gave me--

> and all I

> can think of is the Dr. that told me not to gain another pound because

> of my

> knees and of course expecting to gain weight from not smoking too.

> Haven't had

> the nerve to get on the scales.

[Guest guest]

The good news that you quit smoking:) It is hard to stop smoking, I

have been there, hope it gets easier. My Mom smoked for 50yrs if you

can believe it, and quit about 3 months ago, and she did it

with, " smoke away " I was really shocked it worked.

I have noticed that I don't eat a lot of meat either. I do tend to

find things easy to make too, and sometimes that doesn't help the

diet:( Just take things one day at a time.

Good luck, Tawny

> I too would like to know more about the diet-- I tried the link but

always

> hate to buy something else to add to all the other stuff on the

bookshelf that

> hasn't helped. This may be my own negative thinking .

>

> I can't imagine living like this forever but sometimes get

scared when I

> think of the alternatives LOL. I did have one lady from

California that

> believes she " cured " herself of 3 types of arthritis just by not

eating any

> processed food, red meat or taking any medication.

> So far I quit smoking a month ago-- its still driving me nuts but

red meat

> is a rarity here.

> Mainly because I feel too bad to cook LOL. The processed food now

is

> another story-- its usually my weakness --like TV dinners. I admit

to needing a

> nutrition overhaul big time.

> I actually even bought a multi-vitamin last month-- and ate

everything

> except for the wallpaper. Couldn't believe the appetite it gave me-

- and all I

> can think of is the Dr. that told me not to gain another pound

because of my

> knees and of course expecting to gain weight from not smoking

too. Haven't had

> the nerve to get on the scales.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you looked into baking or making most of your GFCF foods

yourself? If you use a bread machine you can make so many loafs per

week and freeze them. Stick to whole foods. Just the basics, Meat,

poultry, veggies, fruits. Make your own popcorn (if your kids can

have corn). It is a great snack and cheap. Use an air popper or

stove top popper. Your right in thinking that those puffs are not

doing much for your nutrition anyway, as I am sure they are not

cheap. Many regular supermarkets carry foods that would fit the

diet but are not " labelled " as such. Canned beans, rice, frozen

veggies in a bag. I have found many foods in the Kosher section and

surprisingly, they were cheap. I can tell you Feingold mainly

sticks to the basic. Nothing processed. I make my own soups using

frozen veggies, last nights left over chicken, some spices,onion,

etc. Serve it with a big salad and maybe some Kosher crackers. Cheap

and feeds us four. Feingold does not advocate processed meats cause

of the salycates. Which are problematic for kids.

What we are doing because we all need to be chelated and have

limited funds, is we are starting with those who need it most. The

kids will go first. There are some books out there on how to feed

your family for so many cents a day. They tell you how to cook from

the basics like they did years ago. Maybe some of this could help

you. There is always the other things too...cut back. No cable, no

cell phone, no DSL, or roadrunner. Turn down the heat, etc. Sell the

extra car that has a payment. By used clothing, household from sales

and Salvation Army stores. Etc. (You may already be doing these

things).

>

> I am looking at our budget, since finding out that the whole

family needs chelation. My husband is wondering if we should just

leave our son, child #1 on the GF/CF diet, and the rest of us go off

of the GF/CF diet to better be able to afford chelation for

everyone. Some of us get sick when we cheat w/o enzymes, and some

of us don't. I felt really discouraged when he said this, but

maybe he didn't put a lot of thought into the comment, he leaves all

of the research on this up to me. We have spent a lot of money

eating gluten and casien free, but our diet really isn't much

healthier. Finding out that we all need chelation makes me want to

get the most nutrients possible out of the foods we eat, and I don't

know if the kinnikinick bread mixes and panda puffs are really the

best way to go for this. I know about other diets out there, like

SCD, or Fiengold, which I think would be even more expensive....so

this has just opened up a whole can of worms as in how to get the

most vitamins and minerals out of foods in a diet, since nutrition

for mercury toxic people is so very important.

>

> I think son #1 has a bacteria problem. SCD would eliminate grains

and starve out bacteria, which sounds really appealing. Fiengold

sounds appealing, but we would miss our favorite foods like hormel

bacon or rice krispie treats made with jet puff marshmallows/organic

brown rice puffs/buttery sticks....kwim?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > I am looking at our budget, since finding out that the whole

> family needs chelation. My husband is wondering if we should just

> leave our son, child #1 on the GF/CF diet, and the rest of us go off

> of the GF/CF diet to better be able to afford chelation for

> everyone.

You're getting too involved with the GFCF religion.

It is just a diet without dairy or wheat in it.

Learn how to cook chinese and japanese food to add variety to your

meat and potatoes or corned beef and cabbage or turkey with baked

yams, peas, carrots and mashed potatoes.

GFCF is cheap. If it is a diet. Just like in the old days you can

always have all the mashed potatoes you want - if you just peel, boil

and mash them up they are GFCF and very inexpensive.

The problem is trying to make a diet without using the ingredients

that it evolved from - this is expensive and doesn't taste so good.

A lot of middle eastern food is also GFCF. Kebabs over rice.

25# bags of rice are inexpensive and rice lasts longer than even

potatoes.

If you buy fruit and vegetables that are in season they are not too

expensive. It also adds variety to the table to be old fashioned and

do it this way and the food that is in season is usually the tastiest

and most nutritious.

Hopefully people will talk about this kind of thing a lot more - I

think the diet issues get blown out of proportion. " Grandma " used to

cook with whatever was availble, you just gotta look at what the

grandmas did in areas where they didn't have wheat.

Andy

[Guest guest]

We talk a lot about diet here. My family happens to be on GFCFSF, no

artificial, low starches, rotation diet. I chose that after seeing

clinical signs of celiac in my NT daughter and myself and clinical

signs of milk allergy in son and having my cousin, a doc, review his

history and suggesting celiac testing. We later discovered I have all

the genes for celiac and there is a strong family history pointing to

it. My daughter came up with one gene for celiac and several gluten

sensitivity genes. My son came up with a few gluten sensitivity genes

but most importantly, DQ1, the one others have seen on this board and

that Dr. 's son has.

Just because we have the genes does not mean they were turned on but

our regular celiac labs showed little chance of the kids scoping

positive (3%) and since we also suspected an underlying fluoride

problem both within the family and specifically in these kids as they

only drank fluoridated baby water the FDA deemed to be 25 times that

which was safe for adults, we went on the diet and are staying on it

because it reduces toxin trapping at a minimum and has changed our

lives for the better at a maximum.

The behavioral and learning changes were fast. The physical repair

was slower and we have literally had to progress upwards to a

nutritious diet, search for good vitamin supports, etc. and that

remains an ongoing battle along with continued allergen searches and

rotations to be sure we do not create new issues.

Dietary intervention is not for everyone and is not the cureall but

it sure can go a long way. Socialization and therapy are key to life

for all of us and most certainly our kids.

I am listing below a site that covers numerous diets. I am

recommending none of them but just providing the info. In reviewing

all the diets I learned about order of digestibility (from SCD),

which legumes may be an issue ('s diet) and what other allergens

may be at issue via rotation. I hope this helps anyone researching

this:

http://www.child-autism-parent-cafe.com/autism-treatment.html