What if you don't really like meat?

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In a message dated 7/28/01 9:51:58 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< My favorite forms of meat are

the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni, salami,

sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff - like

casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not something I

crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good and used

to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough protein

without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

(Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes change

after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

>>

: I wouldn't say that you have to eat meats as a post-op, but animal

protein is the surest way to guarantee you are getting enoughin - each

serving packs the biggest 'punch' so to speak (20-30 gms as compared to 15 or

less). Bacon and such are great post-op foods because we generally don't

have to worry about the fat content (that is, unless high fat content gives

one diahhrea/gas as a post-op). Beans are also a decent source as well as

soy. I think, for me, it's an issue of not being able to eat that much. So,

when I eat, I want to get the most protein in possible.

I would try a protein-rich diet before the surgery. Experiment with

different foods - meats, beans, soy, etc. Learn how to count 'protein' and

see if you can get 75=80 in a day without meat (or with little emphasis on

meat). I don't think it's impossible but it definately would involve more

frequent meals and eating pretty large quantities of non-meats. You can also

supplement with protein bars/shakes but I think the nutritional value of

these is not as great as 'real food', so the goal is to not rely on them so

much further out post-op.

I wasn't a real 'meat eater' as a pre-op. But, I've learned to really like

it. I also eat quite a bit of dairy and was not lactose intolerant or

experienced any problems with dairy as a post-op. Nuts are great snacks -- I

LOVE pistachios!!!

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

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In a message dated 7/28/01 9:51:58 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< My favorite forms of meat are

the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni, salami,

sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff - like

casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not something I

crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good and used

to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough protein

without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

(Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes change

after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

>>

: I wouldn't say that you have to eat meats as a post-op, but animal

protein is the surest way to guarantee you are getting enoughin - each

serving packs the biggest 'punch' so to speak (20-30 gms as compared to 15 or

less). Bacon and such are great post-op foods because we generally don't

have to worry about the fat content (that is, unless high fat content gives

one diahhrea/gas as a post-op). Beans are also a decent source as well as

soy. I think, for me, it's an issue of not being able to eat that much. So,

when I eat, I want to get the most protein in possible.

I would try a protein-rich diet before the surgery. Experiment with

different foods - meats, beans, soy, etc. Learn how to count 'protein' and

see if you can get 75=80 in a day without meat (or with little emphasis on

meat). I don't think it's impossible but it definately would involve more

frequent meals and eating pretty large quantities of non-meats. You can also

supplement with protein bars/shakes but I think the nutritional value of

these is not as great as 'real food', so the goal is to not rely on them so

much further out post-op.

I wasn't a real 'meat eater' as a pre-op. But, I've learned to really like

it. I also eat quite a bit of dairy and was not lactose intolerant or

experienced any problems with dairy as a post-op. Nuts are great snacks -- I

LOVE pistachios!!!

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

[Guest guest]

I keep reading that we should eat a lot of protein after the surgery. Does

it have to be meat protein? I am not a vegetarian, but I also don't really

love meat. I tried the Atkins Diet and couldn't stay on it b/c I couldn't

stand that much meat. I love all cheeses other than swiss,cottage, and

american. I love all nuts. Eggs are okay if I dress them up a little - like

an omelet, deviled, or included in a recipe. My favorite forms of meat are

the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni, salami,

sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff - like

casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not something I

crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good and used

to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough protein

without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

(Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes change

after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

[Guest guest]

I keep reading that we should eat a lot of protein after the surgery. Does

it have to be meat protein? I am not a vegetarian, but I also don't really

love meat. I tried the Atkins Diet and couldn't stay on it b/c I couldn't

stand that much meat. I love all cheeses other than swiss,cottage, and

american. I love all nuts. Eggs are okay if I dress them up a little - like

an omelet, deviled, or included in a recipe. My favorite forms of meat are

the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni, salami,

sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff - like

casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not something I

crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good and used

to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough protein

without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

(Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes change

after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am a vegetarian and am able to get my protein in via cheeses, eggs, soy,

meat subtitutes made of tofu or wheat. I supplement with protein powders and

protein bars as needed. You can do it.

Pat

B. Standard wrote:

> I keep reading that we should eat a lot of protein after the surgery. Does

> it have to be meat protein? I am not a vegetarian, but I also don't really

> love meat. I tried the Atkins Diet and couldn't stay on it b/c I couldn't

> stand that much meat. I love all cheeses other than swiss,cottage, and

> american. I love all nuts. Eggs are okay if I dress them up a little - like

> an omelet, deviled, or included in a recipe. My favorite forms of meat are

> the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni, salami,

> sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff - like

> casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not something I

> crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good and used

> to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough protein

> without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

> (Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes change

> after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am a vegetarian and am able to get my protein in via cheeses, eggs, soy,

meat subtitutes made of tofu or wheat. I supplement with protein powders and

protein bars as needed. You can do it.

Pat

B. Standard wrote:

> I keep reading that we should eat a lot of protein after the surgery. Does

> it have to be meat protein? I am not a vegetarian, but I also don't really

> love meat. I tried the Atkins Diet and couldn't stay on it b/c I couldn't

> stand that much meat. I love all cheeses other than swiss,cottage, and

> american. I love all nuts. Eggs are okay if I dress them up a little - like

> an omelet, deviled, or included in a recipe. My favorite forms of meat are

> the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni, salami,

> sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff - like

> casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not something I

> crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good and used

> to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough protein

> without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

> (Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes change

> after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

,

I too failed on the Atkins diet becuase I will never be

classified as a hard core carnivore. The surgery changes your

outlook on meat totally. You realize that meat while yucky to cook

is required if you want to live. I find that while I still get a

bit grossed out a meat prepartation I have been able to talk my

fiance into cooking a weeks worth for me then I only have to heat it

up. Touching raw meat is the worst part for me. The other thing

that I do is to eat a protein bar every day. The bars while

expensive provide 35g of protein. You didn't mention not liking

fish. So you could use tuna as protein source. A serving of tuna

contans 17g of protein. Most tofu burgers have 25g of protein in them.

You can research additional tofu products to see how much protein they

have. I am still a relatively new post-op so I can't add much more.

Even with this protein is still a struggle for me. I should talk to

the nutritionist, but if I tell her that cooking meat grosses me out I

think that she will reach through the phone and strangle me.

Tina

7/03/01

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Dr. Gagner

> I keep reading that we should eat a lot of protein after the

surgery. Does

> it have to be meat protein? I am not a vegetarian, but I also don't

really

> love meat. I tried the Atkins Diet and couldn't stay on it b/c I

couldn't

> stand that much meat. I love all cheeses other than swiss,cottage,

and

> american. I love all nuts. Eggs are okay if I dress them up a

little - like

> an omelet, deviled, or included in a recipe. My favorite forms of

meat are

> the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni,

salami,

> sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff -

like

> casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not

something I

> crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good

and used

> to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough

protein

> without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have

the DS?

> (Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes

change

> after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I too failed on the Atkins diet becuase I will never be

classified as a hard core carnivore. The surgery changes your

outlook on meat totally. You realize that meat while yucky to cook

is required if you want to live. I find that while I still get a

bit grossed out a meat prepartation I have been able to talk my

fiance into cooking a weeks worth for me then I only have to heat it

up. Touching raw meat is the worst part for me. The other thing

that I do is to eat a protein bar every day. The bars while

expensive provide 35g of protein. You didn't mention not liking

fish. So you could use tuna as protein source. A serving of tuna

contans 17g of protein. Most tofu burgers have 25g of protein in them.

You can research additional tofu products to see how much protein they

have. I am still a relatively new post-op so I can't add much more.

Even with this protein is still a struggle for me. I should talk to

the nutritionist, but if I tell her that cooking meat grosses me out I

think that she will reach through the phone and strangle me.

Tina

7/03/01

-34

Dr. Gagner

> I keep reading that we should eat a lot of protein after the

surgery. Does

> it have to be meat protein? I am not a vegetarian, but I also don't

really

> love meat. I tried the Atkins Diet and couldn't stay on it b/c I

couldn't

> stand that much meat. I love all cheeses other than swiss,cottage,

and

> american. I love all nuts. Eggs are okay if I dress them up a

little - like

> an omelet, deviled, or included in a recipe. My favorite forms of

meat are

> the one's that supposed to be the worst for you - bacon, pepperoni,

salami,

> sausage. I also like an occasional steak and enjoy beef in stuff -

like

> casseroles, tacos, etc. I will tolerate chicken, but it's not

something I

> crave. Would this type of stuff suffice? Or do I need to get good

and used

> to eating lots of meat every day? Are there other ways to get enough

protein

> without it being meat? Can one be a complete vegetarian and have

the DS?

> (Not that I am considering that, just wondering.) Or will my tastes

change

> after surgery, and actually start liking meat? I can't imagine!

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Can one be a complete vegetarian and have the DS?

Sure.

I was wondering (for those of you POST-op) Is it the quantity of

beans vs. the quantity of meat what makes it easier to get the

protein in via meat? I have also not heard anyone mention Hummus or

dips made of beans and soy (used to eat them all the time) without

dairy, just blended up to a good consistency with the food

processor. Wouldn't this be a good way to get some easier to digest

protein in. You certainly don't need much chewing with it. Any

comments?

Danine

[Guest guest]

With the exception of soy you must eat a legume, bean, with a grain such as rice or corn, or even a potato to get a complete protein. Beans alone are not equal to eating animal protein. So any combination such as beans and rice, hummus and say good quality corn chips, and even peanut butter on a piece of whole grain bread are good. Also, the grains you eat should be whole, the rice brown, and whole kernel corn etc. There is a lot of information on food combining to get a complete protein. Any book on vegetarian cooking and nutrition will have this info.

Sheryle

pre-op

10-10-01 Dr. Keshishian

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/30/01 3:21:04 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< Is it the quantity of

beans vs. the quantity of meat what makes it easier to get the

protein in via meat?>>>>

Danine: Hi. Yeah, it's definately an issue of quantity for me. The meats

pack more 'punch' for the amount. I'd just have to eat so much of the other

stuff in order to get an equivalent amount of protein in. I don't just eat

meat, though -- but I insure that I eat it at least twice during my day (two

meals is usually enough if I have protein at the other meal -- say bean and

cheese burritos-- hey those pack about 10 gms/each... or yogurt/cottage

cheese/nuts or other high protein snacks/products).

<<<< I have also not heard anyone mention Hummus or

dips made of beans and soy (used to eat them all the time) without

dairy, just blended up to a good consistency with the food

processor. >>

Yeah, this would be good, too. I am not a big dip person nor do I enjoy cold

salads (like meat, tunafish, etc.). I think that unless one ate a lot of it,

though, it wouldn't be a major source of protein but make a good snack! :)

There are SO MANY creative sources of protein out there -- It really isn't

an issue of just eating steak all the time. Your idea of hummus, etc. brings

up the fact that once we learn how to diversify and find other sources, it

really isn't so bad to have the protein requirement post-op. I think it's

easy to kind of get into a 'rut' regarding protein and see it as a kind of

'drag' but really there are a lot of sources and variety.

All the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

six months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

pre-op: 307 lbs/bmi 45 (5'9 1/2)

now: 229 -- wow! Couldn't believe it when I stepped on the scale this

morning!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/30/01 3:21:04 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<<

I was wondering (for those of you POST-op) Is it the quantity of

beans vs. the quantity of meat what makes it easier to get the

protein in via meat? >>

Oh, one more thing - I just wanted to clarify that I mainly eat three meals a

day and 2-3 snacks (smaller portions of stuff like some nuts or a yogurt). I

find that I am full after eating and like to get my protein in fast and sure

at the meals. I really am not hungry most of the time when I'm not eating in

between meals, so a plan where I'd have to eat something every 2-3 hours

wouldn't go over well with my body. I'm sure there are others with whom this

would agree with (i.e. - they are eating smaller, more frequent meals, at

least as an immediate post-op).

I have some days where I'm absolutely ravenous but most of the time I'm

satisfied with what I've been eating at three times a day. Sometimes, it's a

struggle to get that in and I find that twice a day is better for me. I do

eat about 10 oz at a meal, so my capacity may be larger. If I feel hungry, I

do eat -- It's not that I have a hard and fast rule about 'three meals' or

anything like that. That's just what I usually end up doing. I don't

count calories, just grams of protein (and look for grams of sugar, trying to

keep those at an absolute minimum). I make sure I get 80 gms in a day (at

least). If I have a chicken breast or 4-6 oz meat, it really packs the

protein in at each meal.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

six months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Theresa. I am trying to prepare for the future. :)BTW LOOK at

that weight loss!!You know that commercial for pay-less shoes? Here

it is modified for us, " Doesn't it feel good to weigh less? " (Just

came to me..)LOL. Me too soon, I hope.

>

> In a message dated 7/30/01 3:21:04 PM, duodenalswitch@y... writes:

>

> << Is it the quantity of

> beans vs. the quantity of meat what makes it easier to get the

> protein in via meat?>>>>

>

> Danine: Hi. Yeah, it's definately an issue of quantity for me.

The meats

> pack more 'punch' for the amount. I'd just have to eat so much of

the other

> stuff in order to get an equivalent amount of protein in. I don't

just eat

> meat, though -- but I insure that I eat it at least twice during my

day (two

> meals is usually enough if I have protein at the other meal -- say

bean and

> cheese burritos-- hey those pack about 10 gms/each... or

yogurt/cottage

> cheese/nuts or other high protein snacks/products).

>

> <<<< I have also not heard anyone mention Hummus or

> dips made of beans and soy (used to eat them all the time) without

> dairy, just blended up to a good consistency with the food

> processor. >>

>

> Yeah, this would be good, too. I am not a big dip person nor do I

enjoy cold

> salads (like meat, tunafish, etc.). I think that unless one ate a

lot of it,

> though, it wouldn't be a major source of protein but make a good

snack! :)

> There are SO MANY creative sources of protein out there -- It

really isn't

> an issue of just eating steak all the time. Your idea of hummus,

etc. brings

> up the fact that once we learn how to diversify and find other

sources, it

> really isn't so bad to have the protein requirement post-op. I

think it's

> easy to kind of get into a 'rut' regarding protein and see it as a

kind of

> 'drag' but really there are a lot of sources and variety.

>

> All the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

>

> six months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

>

> pre-op: 307 lbs/bmi 45 (5'9 1/2)

> now: 229 -- wow! Couldn't believe it when I stepped on the scale

this

> morning!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm not sure if this qualifies. I found Lumen Foods several years ago and have kept some in the house since then. It really came in handy when we were sort of snow bound two years ago. It's a flavored meat substitute made from soy. It tastes pretty good, especially if you use it in a soup, stew or chili. I've made big pots of chili for a neighbors party and the people didn't realize it wasn't meat. According to the site in a 1 oz. dry (2 oz. reconstituted) serving you have 83 calories and 10 gms protein.

They also make jerky style.

http://www.lumenfds.com/

Rita Black10/17/2000 First Consult. Dr.Macura-Staten Island, NYOpen BPD/DS 4/23/20014/23/01 - 400lbs. BMI 635/1/01 - 391lbs. BMI 615/22/01 - 368lbs. BMI 586/21/01 - 360lbs. BMI 557/31/01 - 328lbs BMI 5172 lbs. gone

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm not sure if this qualifies. I found Lumen Foods several years ago and have kept some in the house since then. It really came in handy when we were sort of snow bound two years ago. It's a flavored meat substitute made from soy. It tastes pretty good, especially if you use it in a soup, stew or chili. I've made big pots of chili for a neighbors party and the people didn't realize it wasn't meat. According to the site in a 1 oz. dry (2 oz. reconstituted) serving you have 83 calories and 10 gms protein.

They also make jerky style.

http://www.lumenfds.com/

Rita Black10/17/2000 First Consult. Dr.Macura-Staten Island, NYOpen BPD/DS 4/23/20014/23/01 - 400lbs. BMI 635/1/01 - 391lbs. BMI 615/22/01 - 368lbs. BMI 586/21/01 - 360lbs. BMI 557/31/01 - 328lbs BMI 5172 lbs. gone

[Guest guest]

This is a concept that is not scientifically supported.

Frances Lappe popularised the idea of protein combining in her

book " Diet for a Small Planet " in the '70s, however in her revised

edition: " Diet for a Small Planet 10th Anniversary Revised Edition "

she has since renounced it.

The 1988 position paper of the American Dietetic Association

emphasized that, because amino acids obtained from food can combine

with amino acids made in the body it is not necessary to combine

protein foods at each meal. Adequate amounts of amino acids will be

obtained if a varied vegan diet - containing unrefined grains,

legumes, seeds, nuts and vegetables - is eaten on a daily basis.

in Seattle

> With the exception of soy you must eat a legume, bean, with a grain

such as

> rice or corn, or even a potato to get a complete protein. Beans

alone are

> not equal to eating animal protein. So any combination such as

beans and

> rice, hummus and say good quality corn chips, and even peanut

butter on a

> piece of whole grain bread are good. Also, the grains you eat

[Guest guest]

This is a concept that is not scientifically supported.

Frances Lappe popularised the idea of protein combining in her

book " Diet for a Small Planet " in the '70s, however in her revised

edition: " Diet for a Small Planet 10th Anniversary Revised Edition "

she has since renounced it.

The 1988 position paper of the American Dietetic Association

emphasized that, because amino acids obtained from food can combine

with amino acids made in the body it is not necessary to combine

protein foods at each meal. Adequate amounts of amino acids will be

obtained if a varied vegan diet - containing unrefined grains,

legumes, seeds, nuts and vegetables - is eaten on a daily basis.

in Seattle

> With the exception of soy you must eat a legume, bean, with a grain

such as

> rice or corn, or even a potato to get a complete protein. Beans

alone are

> not equal to eating animal protein. So any combination such as

beans and

> rice, hummus and say good quality corn chips, and even peanut

butter on a

> piece of whole grain bread are good. Also, the grains you eat