Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Hi, My son (almost 4 years old) has mito, complex III and partial complex I defect. Knowing what specific defect (i.e. complex I, or II or III or IV or any combination of the above) ends up not being terribly helpful except for letting you know that it is a definite diagnosis of mitochondrial disease and where in particular the deficit is in the process of generating energy. Unfortunately, it does not give much sense of how the disease will manifest itself in each person. My son, Asher, has low muscle tone and some auditory nerve damage and is particularly severely affected in his gastrointestinal system. Following a flu last year, his intestines stopped working and he could no longer move solid food through his system and is now fed through a g-tube. He will probably end up having another type of tube put in to help him flush his bowels as he can't have a poop without a laxative. Yet, he is cognitively at or above age level right now; speaks well; and "looks" pretty normal. The best place to gather information is at the umdf.org website and this group. I've learned so much from the members here. I'm sorry for you and your granddaughter but hope that you will take some comfort in the fact that you don't have to deal with this alone. There are many of us out here. Have the doctors begun to give her any of the supplements? COQ10, carnitor, and others - vitamin K1 (prescription only) has been supposedly noted to have a positive effect in kids with complex III defect, according to our metabolic/mitochondrial doc. Anne R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Not sure how much help I can be. She sounds a lot like my 3-year-old, Sheldon. He is diagnosed with PDH deficiency. He doesn't talk. He is also very affected by viruses and becomes more sensitive to light, noise, and touch with/after illnesses. He also has regressions with illnesses. My five year old granddaughter was recently diagnosed with complex III. She is only now becoming verbal so she is unable to say what she is going thru. What is she feeling when she screams. and I would like to hear from anyone who has complex III so that perhaps I can understand some of what she is feeling or experiencing. She has some sensory integration problems, ataxia, neurological episodes of out of control flailing and screaming such a gutteral scream. They last from 15 to 120 minutes. Never with any warning and nothing can be done to console her. When she is having an episode or has been exposed to a virus she becomes less verbal. A tremor in her hand, developmental delays and is severely affected by viral infections. When her sister gets a cold, she has bad days including more episodes and heightened sensitivity to light and noise and being touched. She is easily agitated. It all started for her when she was 20 months old. She seemed fine until then. WE are in TExas. //After 2 years of searching we finally have a diagnosis. I would love the hear from anyone who has first hand experience of what she is going through. Please contact mito-owner with any problems or questions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 I read your post about your Granddaughter. I am an Adult Patient with 2 boys who are affected by Complex II-III Deficiencies. My younger son is far more affected. He has a g-tube,seizures, is Mentally Handicapped, visually handicapped and has motor and speech problems. My older son is healthy except when he gets ill and then we see muscle problems and weakness. As an adult, I have had muscle problems, migraines, seizures, stroke like epsisodes, GI problems, thryoid trouble, and other symptoms that have gotten more pronounced over the years. I am sure that taking care of my boys and their health issues have caused my disease to progress faster than it might have without all the emotional and physical stress. Your Granddaughter has several symptoms that my younger son had when he was 3 or so years old, he is now 6 and more medically stable-thanks to Dr Cohen at CCF. If you have any question you might want to ask me please email me at Goldenfamily5@... and I would be happy to help. > > > My five year old granddaughter was recently diagnosed with complex > III. She is only now becoming verbal so she is unable to say what > she is going thru. What is she feeling when she screams. and I > would like to hear from anyone who has complex III so that perhaps I > can understand some of what she is feeling or experiencing. > > She has some sensory integration problems, ataxia, neurological > episodes of out of control flailing and screaming such a gutteral > scream. They last from 15 to 120 minutes. Never with any warning > and nothing can be done to console her. When she is having an > episode or has been exposed to a virus she becomes less verbal. A > tremor in her hand, developmental delays and is severely affected by > viral infections. When her sister gets a cold, she has bad days > including more episodes and heightened sensitivity to light and > noise and being touched. She is easily agitated. > > It all started for her when she was 20 months old. She seemed fine > until then. > > WE are in TExas. //After 2 years of searching we finally have a > diagnosis. > > I would love the hear from anyone who has first hand experience of > what she is going through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 I read your post about your Granddaughter. I am an Adult Patient with 2 boys who are affected by Complex II-III Deficiencies. My younger son is far more affected. He has a g-tube,seizures, is Mentally Handicapped, visually handicapped and has motor and speech problems. My older son is healthy except when he gets ill and then we see muscle problems and weakness. As an adult, I have had muscle problems, migraines, seizures, stroke like epsisodes, GI problems, thryoid trouble, and other symptoms that have gotten more pronounced over the years. I am sure that taking care of my boys and their health issues have caused my disease to progress faster than it might have without all the emotional and physical stress. Your Granddaughter has several symptoms that my younger son had when he was 3 or so years old, he is now 6 and more medically stable-thanks to Dr Cohen at CCF. If you have any question you might want to ask me please email me at Goldenfamily5@... and I would be happy to help. > > > My five year old granddaughter was recently diagnosed with complex > III. She is only now becoming verbal so she is unable to say what > she is going thru. What is she feeling when she screams. and I > would like to hear from anyone who has complex III so that perhaps I > can understand some of what she is feeling or experiencing. > > She has some sensory integration problems, ataxia, neurological > episodes of out of control flailing and screaming such a gutteral > scream. They last from 15 to 120 minutes. Never with any warning > and nothing can be done to console her. When she is having an > episode or has been exposed to a virus she becomes less verbal. A > tremor in her hand, developmental delays and is severely affected by > viral infections. When her sister gets a cold, she has bad days > including more episodes and heightened sensitivity to light and > noise and being touched. She is easily agitated. > > It all started for her when she was 20 months old. She seemed fine > until then. > > WE are in TExas. //After 2 years of searching we finally have a > diagnosis. > > I would love the hear from anyone who has first hand experience of > what she is going through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 hi and god be with you and yours. my 4 year old daughter baylee also suffers from complex 3. she has yet to walk or talk, she will say mum for mommy but that is about it. she crawls and pulls herself up to stand but definetly some neuropathy in her legs going on so we don't know the prognosis of walking. she flails her arms and moves her head mostly when she is excited. dr cohen at the cleveland clinic called her arm movements choreoathetosis which had something to do with her basil ganglia not working right in her brain. she also has outbursts in which there is no consoling, all you can do is hug her and tell her it's ok. one thing we are sure blessed with is she is an eating machine. no tubes needed and also her seizures went away so no more phenobarb. baylee is a happy child and every once in awhile she cries out like there is pain somewhere, but she unfortunately can't tell us that is the saddest part of all and makes me feel awful. good luck and god bless. jody thompson-mommy to baylee and jade-7 unaffected --- b_g_hudson wrote: > > > My five year old granddaughter was recently > diagnosed with complex > III. She is only now becoming verbal so she is > unable to say what > she is going thru. What is she feeling when she > screams. and I > would like to hear from anyone who has complex III > so that perhaps I > can understand some of what she is feeling or > experiencing. > > She has some sensory integration problems, ataxia, > neurological > episodes of out of control flailing and screaming > such a gutteral > scream. They last from 15 to 120 minutes. Never > with any warning > and nothing can be done to console her. When she is > having an > episode or has been exposed to a virus she becomes > less verbal. A > tremor in her hand, developmental delays and is > severely affected by > viral infections. When her sister gets a cold, she > has bad days > including more episodes and heightened sensitivity > to light and > noise and being touched. She is easily agitated. > > It all started for her when she was 20 months old. > She seemed fine > until then. > > WE are in TExas. //After 2 years of searching we > finally have a > diagnosis. > > I would love the hear from anyone who has first hand > experience of > what she is going through. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Sorry to hear about your granddaughter. We have a few grandmas here and they are very welcome to the group! My youngest deals with tons of sensory integration dysfunction and I know it drives her crazy at times and makes her crabby. She rubs her hands, feet, face, tummy, and head, as well as kicking and pounding her feet and pleads with us to rub her hands or feet when especially bad. We are not sure if it is numbness or tingling/prickling that especially bothers her as she is only 14 months old with speech like a 9 month old presently so we can only go with what we see. She has had many things her doctors, therapists, and we her family have seen in this area and we have worked with many things to help her deal with the issues, yet I know she still have major problems in that area. We also deal with the neurological issues. The ataxia, episodes of screaming/out of control (autistic behaviors), developmental delays, tremors, muscle fatigue, muscle weakness, speech difficulties, etc. Often these are caused by strokes, often called stroke episodes in this group due to the come and go of the severity of some of the issues (as you stated about worsening during viral attacks). Mito crashes are often referred to as well here in the group; referring to the worsening of symptoms and acute illnesses that the viruses can cause. It is very common for our kids to get a tiny virus only to see them plummet and become seriously ill requiring IV hydration and other interventions to help them through the virus. Most of us have found that treating BEFORE they become dehydrated rather than after is the best course of action. Some docs frown upon that as they do not understand Mito and how quickly the kids can destabilize in their metabolics. All this said, I want you to know that this group is a wealth of information and support. The women (and men) here are very caring and will have answers to almost anything you may need to know. Feel free to ask as many questions as you want. Let your daughter know she is very welcome here as well. See www.caringbridge.org/ia/mitomomof9 to read our story, and www.heartbeatsformito.org to see a real look into Mito using a photo collage of my girls Darla: mommy to Asenath (4) Mito, CNS Vasculitis, strokes, migraines, seizures, G-tube, hypotonicity, disautonomy, SID, dev. delays, asthma, cyclic vomiting... Zipporrah (14 months) Mito, strokes, neuro-motor planning dysfunction, SID, GERD, 100% G-tube fed, asthma, trach issues, aberrant subclavian artery, disautonomy, hypo & hypertonicity, migraines, possible seizures, dumping syndrome, iron deficiency... Luke (16), Leah (14), Rachael (13), Isaac (10), Tirzah (8), Kezia (3), & Marquis (3) (some with Mito symptoms) > > > > > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or questions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Hi Darla: Have you ever had her B6, B12 (and B vitamins in general) levels done? These issues with her hands & feet tingling sound like a B deficiency. Cindy-GA Re: recently diagnosed with complex III She rubs her hands, feet, face, tummy, and head, as well as kicking and pounding her feet and pleads with us to rub her hands or feet when especially bad. We are not sure if it is numbness or tingling/prickling that especially bothers her as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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