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I'm trying to find out myself and there was no cost info on his web site today.

Last I knew the cost was more like $300 to $400 for the whole set, then

replacement shoes were around the $200 mark? But it's been a long time since I

saw those figures so I could be way wrong.

s.

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has tips on the cost of shoes and

bar. I heard that they may cost $1300. Also, is the bar the same as

the Dennis Browne Bar.

Thanks for your help!

Alanson

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I'm trying to find out myself and there was no cost info on his web site today.

Last I knew the cost was more like $300 to $400 for the whole set, then

replacement shoes were around the $200 mark? But it's been a long time since I

saw those figures so I could be way wrong.

s.

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has tips on the cost of shoes and

bar. I heard that they may cost $1300. Also, is the bar the same as

the Dennis Browne Bar.

Thanks for your help!

Alanson

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God I hope replacement shoes aren't $350, if that's the case Everett will be

S.O.L. I wish he would put the price on his web site!!! Rrrgg, frustrating, I

hate waiting for pricing information on something, I want to just look at it and

see the price right there, none of this emailing seperately and waiting for them

to reply. I keep checking my mail today and not hearing back.

s.

WOooooo.. They are $386 the 1st time you buy them with the bar, and $350? there

after. The bar is NOT the same as the DBB. You need to but the s

directly from the manufacturer, not an orthopedics shop! If you would

like the info to get the s let me know, and I'll get it for ya...

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God I hope replacement shoes aren't $350, if that's the case Everett will be

S.O.L. I wish he would put the price on his web site!!! Rrrgg, frustrating, I

hate waiting for pricing information on something, I want to just look at it and

see the price right there, none of this emailing seperately and waiting for them

to reply. I keep checking my mail today and not hearing back.

s.

WOooooo.. They are $386 the 1st time you buy them with the bar, and $350? there

after. The bar is NOT the same as the DBB. You need to but the s

directly from the manufacturer, not an orthopedics shop! If you would

like the info to get the s let me know, and I'll get it for ya...

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WOooooo.. They are $386 the 1st time you buy them with the bar, and $350? there

after. The bar is NOT the same as the DBB. You need to but the s

directly from the manufacturer, not an orthopedics shop! If you would

like the info to get the s let me know, and I'll get it for ya...

chazbuz wrote:Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has tips on the cost of shoes and

bar. I heard that they may cost $1300. Also, is the bar the same as

the Dennis Browne Bar.

Thanks for your help!

Alanson

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WOooooo.. They are $386 the 1st time you buy them with the bar, and $350? there

after. The bar is NOT the same as the DBB. You need to but the s

directly from the manufacturer, not an orthopedics shop! If you would

like the info to get the s let me know, and I'll get it for ya...

chazbuz wrote:Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has tips on the cost of shoes and

bar. I heard that they may cost $1300. Also, is the bar the same as

the Dennis Browne Bar.

Thanks for your help!

Alanson

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The cost is about $385 for the shoes &

bar if you buy them directly from .

The orthotics shop at the hospital where

Lily is treated marks them up 100% to

$665 !!! I've heard that other orthotics

shops mark them up even more. We continue

to purchase them through the hospital because

they'll deal with our insurance company

directly and we end up paying just $65.

But it's our insurance company (and then

indirectly all of us folks paying insurance

premiums) who is getting soaked. Our doc

complains about folks not being able to

afford the s - well then get your

orthotics dept. to lower their crazy markup.

I think the cost for the brace itself is ~$85.

So that means replacement shoes would total

about $300.

Kim

> God I hope replacement shoes aren't $350, if that's the case

Everett will be S.O.L. I wish he would put the price on his web

site!!! Rrrgg, frustrating, I hate waiting for pricing information

on something, I want to just look at it and see the price right

there, none of this emailing seperately and waiting for them to

reply. I keep checking my mail today and not hearing back.

> s.

>

> WOooooo.. They are $386 the 1st time you buy them with the bar,

and $350? there after. The bar is NOT the same as the DBB. You need

to but the s directly from the manufacturer, not an

orthopedics shop! If you would like the info to get the s

let me know, and I'll get it for ya...

>

>

>

>

>

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Alanson,

If you buy them directly they are no where near that. If you buy them from the

ortho in town you'll pay the $1300.

Chris

Pricing Shoes

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has tips on the cost of shoes and

bar. I heard that they may cost $1300. Also, is the bar the same as

the Dennis Browne Bar.

Thanks for your help!

Alanson

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that's just ridiculous. If anyone is going to make a profit on these

it should be , not greedy orthotists.

Kori

At 01:37 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:

>Alanson,

>If you buy them directly they are no where near that. If you buy

>them from the ortho in town you'll pay the $1300.

>Chris

> Pricing Shoes

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I was wondering if anyone has tips on the cost of shoes and

> bar. I heard that they may cost $1300. Also, is the bar the same as

> the Dennis Browne Bar.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Alanson

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I agree. Why should anyone make a profit on the medical treatment of

innocent little babies and children. Being considered a working class

poor family, if we had to pay $1300 for shoes, our baby would not be

treated! Good luck to all!

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I agree. Why should anyone make a profit on the medical treatment of

innocent little babies and children. Being considered a working class

poor family, if we had to pay $1300 for shoes, our baby would not be

treated! Good luck to all!

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Help me understand this...$300+ for purchasing shoes direct, which

does not give you an option of being billed to insurance, out of

pocket purchase? What has this world come to? I believe that cost,

although some of you seem to think, hey since it's not $600 or $1300

it's not that bad, is totally prohibitive for the majority of the

population. I don't know how many of you are six figure income

families, but where I live that is not the norm. I am just thankful my

daughter does just fine with the Markell's. I would hate for her to

need something that we cannot afford to get her. All of this pricing

information is getting me a bit upset. Sounds like people are taking

advantage of other people's medical misfortune.

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Help me understand this...$300+ for purchasing shoes direct, which

does not give you an option of being billed to insurance, out of

pocket purchase? What has this world come to? I believe that cost,

although some of you seem to think, hey since it's not $600 or $1300

it's not that bad, is totally prohibitive for the majority of the

population. I don't know how many of you are six figure income

families, but where I live that is not the norm. I am just thankful my

daughter does just fine with the Markell's. I would hate for her to

need something that we cannot afford to get her. All of this pricing

information is getting me a bit upset. Sounds like people are taking

advantage of other people's medical misfortune.

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I totally agree. We had the choice between paying the $296 replacement

shoes out of pocket and fight for anything back OR going through an

ortho supply company where they would cost over $1000 and we would

only pay a small deductable. It may seem crazy, but I gladly paid the

$296 since the other structure is exactly what is wrong with the

healthcare industry in this country and I don't want to be a part of

it. Why in the world should the Ortho company get rich over other

people's misery and misfortune? The insurance companies then have to

raise their rates for ALL to pay for the greedy " healthcare "

suppliers. In that scenario the suppliers win, the insurance companies

win and the public loses...no thanks. When you look at a cost of the

's over their 3-4 month useful life it only comes out to a

couple of dollars a day extra over the alternatives. We felt the

benefits far outweigh the costs. There is no discomfort, there have

been no sores in 5 months, they are easy to put on, you can see if

they are in correctly, they are light and let in air well, and they

look pretty hip :-)

Sorry...I had to rant and praise the shoes at the same time. The

Ortho/insurance thing gets me angry every time I see the $1000+ price

tags.

New Jersey, USA

> that's just ridiculous. If anyone is going to make a profit on these

> it should be , not greedy orthotists.

>

> Kori

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quit his well-paying job; worked quite a while on the prototype

with no financial help; he had to learn to sewand work leather; he financed the

equipment needed to start production by morgaging his house! There is a fund for

people who can't affford to pay for his shoes. He isn't preying on us. He is a

terrible business man with a big bleeding heart. These shoes are hand made for

each child, and for many of us it is the only thing keeping our kids out of the

operating room. For those of us that can pay, it's worth every penny! Hope you

don't think I'm being testy... just wanted to clarify.:)

DZUHONE1@... wrote:Help me understand this...$300+ for purchasing shoes

direct, which

does not give you an option of being billed to insurance, out of

pocket purchase? What has this world come to? I believe that cost,

although some of you seem to think, hey since it's not $600 or $1300

it's not that bad, is totally prohibitive for the majority of the

population. I don't know how many of you are six figure income

families, but where I live that is not the norm. I am just thankful my

daughter does just fine with the Markell's. I would hate for her to

need something that we cannot afford to get her. All of this pricing

information is getting me a bit upset. Sounds like people are taking

advantage of other people's medical misfortune.

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quit his well-paying job; worked quite a while on the prototype

with no financial help; he had to learn to sewand work leather; he financed the

equipment needed to start production by morgaging his house! There is a fund for

people who can't affford to pay for his shoes. He isn't preying on us. He is a

terrible business man with a big bleeding heart. These shoes are hand made for

each child, and for many of us it is the only thing keeping our kids out of the

operating room. For those of us that can pay, it's worth every penny! Hope you

don't think I'm being testy... just wanted to clarify.:)

DZUHONE1@... wrote:Help me understand this...$300+ for purchasing shoes

direct, which

does not give you an option of being billed to insurance, out of

pocket purchase? What has this world come to? I believe that cost,

although some of you seem to think, hey since it's not $600 or $1300

it's not that bad, is totally prohibitive for the majority of the

population. I don't know how many of you are six figure income

families, but where I live that is not the norm. I am just thankful my

daughter does just fine with the Markell's. I would hate for her to

need something that we cannot afford to get her. All of this pricing

information is getting me a bit upset. Sounds like people are taking

advantage of other people's medical misfortune.

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I so agree. He is not taking advantage of us at all. If you ordered a custom

made AFO for example you would pay several thousand dollars for them.

makes custom shoes for a few hundred. And you can submit it to insurance for

reimbursement. As MANY folks have to do with MANY other things insurance will

pay for but not directly. He has made making our children's feet more

comfortable and enabled children who could not retain correction in other shoes

to have 'perfect little feet' as Dr. P says. I am not being testy either but

until you walk in someone else's shoes and know all of the info, one should

refrain from making such rash statements.

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quit his well-paying job; worked quite a while on the prototype

with no financial help; he had to learn to sewand work leather; he financed the

equipment needed to start production by morgaging his house! There is a fund for

people who can't affford to pay for his shoes. He isn't preying on us. He is a

terrible business man with a big bleeding heart. These shoes are hand made for

each child, and for many of us it is the only thing keeping our kids out of the

operating room. For those of us that can pay, it's worth every penny! Hope you

don't think I'm being testy... just wanted to clarify.:)

DZUHONE1@... wrote:Help me understand this...$300+ for purchasing

shoes direct, which

does not give you an option of being billed to insurance, out of

pocket purchase? What has this world come to? I believe that cost,

although some of you seem to think, hey since it's not $600 or $1300

it's not that bad, is totally prohibitive for the majority of the

population. I don't know how many of you are six figure income

families, but where I live that is not the norm. I am just thankful my

daughter does just fine with the Markell's. I would hate for her to

need something that we cannot afford to get her. All of this pricing

information is getting me a bit upset. Sounds like people are taking

advantage of other people's medical misfortune.

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I so agree. He is not taking advantage of us at all. If you ordered a custom

made AFO for example you would pay several thousand dollars for them.

makes custom shoes for a few hundred. And you can submit it to insurance for

reimbursement. As MANY folks have to do with MANY other things insurance will

pay for but not directly. He has made making our children's feet more

comfortable and enabled children who could not retain correction in other shoes

to have 'perfect little feet' as Dr. P says. I am not being testy either but

until you walk in someone else's shoes and know all of the info, one should

refrain from making such rash statements.

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quit his well-paying job; worked quite a while on the prototype

with no financial help; he had to learn to sewand work leather; he financed the

equipment needed to start production by morgaging his house! There is a fund for

people who can't affford to pay for his shoes. He isn't preying on us. He is a

terrible business man with a big bleeding heart. These shoes are hand made for

each child, and for many of us it is the only thing keeping our kids out of the

operating room. For those of us that can pay, it's worth every penny! Hope you

don't think I'm being testy... just wanted to clarify.:)

DZUHONE1@... wrote:Help me understand this...$300+ for purchasing

shoes direct, which

does not give you an option of being billed to insurance, out of

pocket purchase? What has this world come to? I believe that cost,

although some of you seem to think, hey since it's not $600 or $1300

it's not that bad, is totally prohibitive for the majority of the

population. I don't know how many of you are six figure income

families, but where I live that is not the norm. I am just thankful my

daughter does just fine with the Markell's. I would hate for her to

need something that we cannot afford to get her. All of this pricing

information is getting me a bit upset. Sounds like people are taking

advantage of other people's medical misfortune.

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Oh Donna what I hate most here is that the nosurgery4clubfoot site is leaving a

bad taste in your mouth . I urge everyone to remember their horse is no higher

here than anyone else's. In fact I'm put in mind of an old book title: Shoot

Low Boys, They're Riding Shetlands!

Everyone has their own row to hoe. I say this to everybody here - we all have

our own rows to hoe and until we walk a mile in each other's shoes we are not

here to judge at all who can, or who cannot, afford the cost or for what reasons

it may or may not be a financial hardship.

The good news in all of this is that children who cannot use the Markell have an

option they did NOT have 2 years ago, and for that I am very thankful because my

Everett is one who needed that option, and my was one who did not have

that option five years ago. There are huge differences between the two

styles, and each style serves different needs. CF children are fortunate to

have this option, as I am sure you agree and are not arguing that at all.

Anyway, not to be on any soap box, finding an extra three hundred bucks is

always hard and will only get harder but this is temporary. I tell myself (and

everyone else) that a lot - it's temporary, and worth this temporary financial

crunch.

Spending approximately $2,400 over the course of 4 years (8 pairs of $300 shoes)

to let my kid grow up on normal feet is really not as expensive as many of the

alternatives...and the cost is relative....I'm guessing that is about the same

cost as basic cable TV for the same 4 year period. (probably less!) BTW we

don't have any type of cable TV service so I'm guessing, but to put it another

way, if you average a pair of shoes will last six months, the cost comes out to

around $1.65 per day of wear and that's probably the cost of a cappuccino on

your way to work a lot of times or the extra expense of gasoline for running to

the store once more a week than you need to if you shopped more responsibly... I

just mean that when put in to perspective, the 's are more affordable

than they seem up front. Myself here, I've only used 2 pair of shoes in 2

years....so that puts the daily cost down considerably.

Please stay with us, every member here is valuable and our mission is to spread

the gospel of Dr. Ponseti and lend support to fellow cf parents, not rag on

each other's opinion regarding financial figures.

shaw

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This is the last time I am going to attempt to defend my position,

which I should not really have to do anyway, but I am tired of it.

Hear me out. If someone had a 6-figure income, the price of the

's would probably not present much of a hardship, unless they

are overextended financially, which is correctible. I'm glad to hear

I'm not the only one who is poor. However, that does make it near

impossible to purchase the 's. That is it, that is my point.

And, I do think it is a shame that some might have to be excluded

because of that. $300 is a lot of money last time I checked. $300 is

my food budget for my family of 6 for the entire month, so yes it

would have a huge impact on my budget. Why do I have to defend that

when you reply saying you are poor, too? Why do people feel the need

to " put me in my place " ? Instead of attacking me, doesn't anyone agree

that $300 is a lot to pay out of pocket for shoes?! I'm not asking if

you will do what it takes for your child, of course we all will, but

good grief, it is a lot of money. I'm not even saying it is an unfair

price. I was referring to $1000 or $1600 being an unfair price. I'm

simply saying, whether or not it is justified to charge $300, it is

still going to add incredible financial stress for some of us, and the

last thing we need to deal with right now is another stressor. Does

anyone have a supportive word, or should I just forget trying to find

support on this site? I have tried to be supportive and reply

positively to every parent that I could. My comments were not directed

at any other parent. I have said this in another email but it didn't

get sent through for some reason. Am I being censored? I don't know,

maybe that message will get to you eventually.

I have nothing but care and concern for all of you and your children,

so please stop trying to make me look like the bad guy. It is really

getting old.

Donna

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Oh Donna what I hate most here is that the nosurgery4clubfoot site is leaving a

bad taste in your mouth . I urge everyone to remember their horse is no higher

here than anyone else's. In fact I'm put in mind of an old book title: Shoot

Low Boys, They're Riding Shetlands!

Everyone has their own row to hoe. I say this to everybody here - we all have

our own rows to hoe and until we walk a mile in each other's shoes we are not

here to judge at all who can, or who cannot, afford the cost or for what reasons

it may or may not be a financial hardship.

The good news in all of this is that children who cannot use the Markell have an

option they did NOT have 2 years ago, and for that I am very thankful because my

Everett is one who needed that option, and my was one who did not have

that option five years ago. There are huge differences between the two

styles, and each style serves different needs. CF children are fortunate to

have this option, as I am sure you agree and are not arguing that at all.

Anyway, not to be on any soap box, finding an extra three hundred bucks is

always hard and will only get harder but this is temporary. I tell myself (and

everyone else) that a lot - it's temporary, and worth this temporary financial

crunch.

Spending approximately $2,400 over the course of 4 years (8 pairs of $300 shoes)

to let my kid grow up on normal feet is really not as expensive as many of the

alternatives...and the cost is relative....I'm guessing that is about the same

cost as basic cable TV for the same 4 year period. (probably less!) BTW we

don't have any type of cable TV service so I'm guessing, but to put it another

way, if you average a pair of shoes will last six months, the cost comes out to

around $1.65 per day of wear and that's probably the cost of a cappuccino on

your way to work a lot of times or the extra expense of gasoline for running to

the store once more a week than you need to if you shopped more responsibly... I

just mean that when put in to perspective, the 's are more affordable

than they seem up front. Myself here, I've only used 2 pair of shoes in 2

years....so that puts the daily cost down considerably.

Please stay with us, every member here is valuable and our mission is to spread

the gospel of Dr. Ponseti and lend support to fellow cf parents, not rag on

each other's opinion regarding financial figures.

shaw

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This is the last time I am going to attempt to defend my position,

which I should not really have to do anyway, but I am tired of it.

Hear me out. If someone had a 6-figure income, the price of the

's would probably not present much of a hardship, unless they

are overextended financially, which is correctible. I'm glad to hear

I'm not the only one who is poor. However, that does make it near

impossible to purchase the 's. That is it, that is my point.

And, I do think it is a shame that some might have to be excluded

because of that. $300 is a lot of money last time I checked. $300 is

my food budget for my family of 6 for the entire month, so yes it

would have a huge impact on my budget. Why do I have to defend that

when you reply saying you are poor, too? Why do people feel the need

to " put me in my place " ? Instead of attacking me, doesn't anyone agree

that $300 is a lot to pay out of pocket for shoes?! I'm not asking if

you will do what it takes for your child, of course we all will, but

good grief, it is a lot of money. I'm not even saying it is an unfair

price. I was referring to $1000 or $1600 being an unfair price. I'm

simply saying, whether or not it is justified to charge $300, it is

still going to add incredible financial stress for some of us, and the

last thing we need to deal with right now is another stressor. Does

anyone have a supportive word, or should I just forget trying to find

support on this site? I have tried to be supportive and reply

positively to every parent that I could. My comments were not directed

at any other parent. I have said this in another email but it didn't

get sent through for some reason. Am I being censored? I don't know,

maybe that message will get to you eventually.

I have nothing but care and concern for all of you and your children,

so please stop trying to make me look like the bad guy. It is really

getting old.

Donna

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This is the last time I am going to attempt to defend my position,

which I should not really have to do anyway, but I am tired of it.

Hear me out. If someone had a 6-figure income, the price of the

's would probably not present much of a hardship, unless they

are overextended financially, which is correctible. I'm glad to hear

I'm not the only one who is poor. However, that does make it near

impossible to purchase the 's. That is it, that is my point.

And, I do think it is a shame that some might have to be excluded

because of that. $300 is a lot of money last time I checked. $300 is

my food budget for my family of 6 for the entire month, so yes it

would have a huge impact on my budget. Why do I have to defend that

when you reply saying you are poor, too? Why do people feel the need

to " put me in my place " ? Instead of attacking me, doesn't anyone agree

that $300 is a lot to pay out of pocket for shoes?! I'm not asking if

you will do what it takes for your child, of course we all will, but

good grief, it is a lot of money. I'm not even saying it is an unfair

price. I was referring to $1000 or $1600 being an unfair price. I'm

simply saying, whether or not it is justified to charge $300, it is

still going to add incredible financial stress for some of us, and the

last thing we need to deal with right now is another stressor. Does

anyone have a supportive word, or should I just forget trying to find

support on this site? I have tried to be supportive and reply

positively to every parent that I could. My comments were not directed

at any other parent. I have said this in another email but it didn't

get sent through for some reason. Am I being censored? I don't know,

maybe that message will get to you eventually.

I have nothing but care and concern for all of you and your children,

so please stop trying to make me look like the bad guy. It is really

getting old.

Donna

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This is the last time I am going to attempt to defend my position,

which I should not really have to do anyway, but I am tired of it.

Hear me out. If someone had a 6-figure income, the price of the

's would probably not present much of a hardship, unless they

are overextended financially, which is correctible. I'm glad to hear

I'm not the only one who is poor. However, that does make it near

impossible to purchase the 's. That is it, that is my point.

And, I do think it is a shame that some might have to be excluded

because of that. $300 is a lot of money last time I checked. $300 is

my food budget for my family of 6 for the entire month, so yes it

would have a huge impact on my budget. Why do I have to defend that

when you reply saying you are poor, too? Why do people feel the need

to " put me in my place " ? Instead of attacking me, doesn't anyone agree

that $300 is a lot to pay out of pocket for shoes?! I'm not asking if

you will do what it takes for your child, of course we all will, but

good grief, it is a lot of money. I'm not even saying it is an unfair

price. I was referring to $1000 or $1600 being an unfair price. I'm

simply saying, whether or not it is justified to charge $300, it is

still going to add incredible financial stress for some of us, and the

last thing we need to deal with right now is another stressor. Does

anyone have a supportive word, or should I just forget trying to find

support on this site? I have tried to be supportive and reply

positively to every parent that I could. My comments were not directed

at any other parent. I have said this in another email but it didn't

get sent through for some reason. Am I being censored? I don't know,

maybe that message will get to you eventually.

I have nothing but care and concern for all of you and your children,

so please stop trying to make me look like the bad guy. It is really

getting old.

Donna

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I just have to respond again. I went back and reread my original

email, and I truly believe those of you who felt the need to " set the

record straight " missed the whole point of the message and need to

reread it. It did not imply that anyone has a 6 figure income, it did

not imply that the shoes are wrongly priced, it did not imply that

or Dr. Ponseti are trying to take advantage of us. Re

read it with an open mind and you will hopefully stop being so harsh.

And yes, your reply's were harsh. I will forgive and forget and move

on now.

Donna

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I just have to respond again. I went back and reread my original

email, and I truly believe those of you who felt the need to " set the

record straight " missed the whole point of the message and need to

reread it. It did not imply that anyone has a 6 figure income, it did

not imply that the shoes are wrongly priced, it did not imply that

or Dr. Ponseti are trying to take advantage of us. Re

read it with an open mind and you will hopefully stop being so harsh.

And yes, your reply's were harsh. I will forgive and forget and move

on now.

Donna

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Okay kids, this is not what we do here. Everyone to their corners! :)

I think we can all agree that $300 IS expensive.

Donna, please know that if people were upset by your questions it is

only because we have this intense passion about Dr. Ponseti and are

very protective of anyone saying anything that could remotely be

construed as being derogatory about him (or in this case his " partner "

). Many parents here, regardless of the expense, owe

their baby's maintaining their correction without blisters or sores to

those shoes.

Now, in the other corner: I think Donna was simply trying to say that

$300 is expensive and we can all agree with that. It also upsets her

to think that there are people who do take advantage of others in

their time of need, read NOT .

Everybody okay now? Smiles everyone, smiles!!

> I just have to respond again. I went back and reread my original

> email, and I truly believe those of you who felt the need to " set the

> record straight " missed the whole point of the message and need to

> reread it. It did not imply that anyone has a 6 figure income, it did

> not imply that the shoes are wrongly priced, it did not imply that

> or Dr. Ponseti are trying to take advantage of us. Re

> read it with an open mind and you will hopefully stop being so harsh.

> And yes, your reply's were harsh. I will forgive and forget and move

> on now.

>

> Donna

>

>

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