Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 I have been thinking about this and getting upset most of the day today. There is another DS list on yahoo that is a Christian list. Well, there is a post today from the same girl who posted here about how Dr. Ren told her she would be better off having RNY than DS because she has 3 small children and is younger. What annoys me is this woman decided that whatever Dr. Ren said was what she would do, deciding that if God closed the door to DS, she wouldn't try to open it. I am so upset about this. I am upset with the Dr. for telling her that and wondering why Dr. Ren would say something like that. And I am upset with her attitude which seems to be that surgeons are gods or that the opinion of one surgeon is somehow the direction God has decided for her life. Based on people who are so easily led, I'd say surgeons (such as this one) should watch what they say to people. But then, people should have a little more sense and make decisions on more than one conversation with one Dr. To me, its like setting up a dart board and putting answers to questions on each triangle and saying wherever the dart one throws ends up is the right answer. If any of you are as upset about this as I am, you can read her posts on that list and respond to them. I know I have sent her several personal emails with information and told her she needs to do more research. I should probably keep my big mouth out of this, but boy it upsets me that some people can allow themselves to be manipulated so easily in the name of their belief system and that some surgeons would say something like this to a patient. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 I have been thinking about this and getting upset most of the day today. There is another DS list on yahoo that is a Christian list. Well, there is a post today from the same girl who posted here about how Dr. Ren told her she would be better off having RNY than DS because she has 3 small children and is younger. What annoys me is this woman decided that whatever Dr. Ren said was what she would do, deciding that if God closed the door to DS, she wouldn't try to open it. I am so upset about this. I am upset with the Dr. for telling her that and wondering why Dr. Ren would say something like that. And I am upset with her attitude which seems to be that surgeons are gods or that the opinion of one surgeon is somehow the direction God has decided for her life. Based on people who are so easily led, I'd say surgeons (such as this one) should watch what they say to people. But then, people should have a little more sense and make decisions on more than one conversation with one Dr. To me, its like setting up a dart board and putting answers to questions on each triangle and saying wherever the dart one throws ends up is the right answer. If any of you are as upset about this as I am, you can read her posts on that list and respond to them. I know I have sent her several personal emails with information and told her she needs to do more research. I should probably keep my big mouth out of this, but boy it upsets me that some people can allow themselves to be manipulated so easily in the name of their belief system and that some surgeons would say something like this to a patient. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 >how Dr. Ren told her she would be better off having RNY than DS because she has 3 small children and is younger. What annoys me is this woman decided that whatever Dr. Ren said was what she would do, deciding that if God closed the door to DS, she wouldn't try to open it. I am so upset about this. I am upset with the Dr. for telling her that and wondering why Dr. Ren would say something like that. And I am upset with her attitude which seems to be that surgeons are gods or > I agree with you about the woman's attitude. The problem is that too many people do the same thing. They never bother to research their illness and just take the doctor's word for God's word. Some people say that doctors have a God complex, well a lot of people will walk into a doctor's office and just place their life in his/her hands. Never looking if there is something else you can do. As for Dr. Ren, I don't blame her. We don't know all the circumstances. This woman may be one of those who the doctor feels won't follow instructions concerning protein and supplements for the rest of her life. I heard that there are a number of doctors who don't want to do a DS on young people because of the lifetime commitment. There is too much chance that they will stop supplements and destroy their health. Rita Black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 >how Dr. Ren told her she would be better off having RNY than DS because she has 3 small children and is younger. What annoys me is this woman decided that whatever Dr. Ren said was what she would do, deciding that if God closed the door to DS, she wouldn't try to open it. I am so upset about this. I am upset with the Dr. for telling her that and wondering why Dr. Ren would say something like that. And I am upset with her attitude which seems to be that surgeons are gods or > I agree with you about the woman's attitude. The problem is that too many people do the same thing. They never bother to research their illness and just take the doctor's word for God's word. Some people say that doctors have a God complex, well a lot of people will walk into a doctor's office and just place their life in his/her hands. Never looking if there is something else you can do. As for Dr. Ren, I don't blame her. We don't know all the circumstances. This woman may be one of those who the doctor feels won't follow instructions concerning protein and supplements for the rest of her life. I heard that there are a number of doctors who don't want to do a DS on young people because of the lifetime commitment. There is too much chance that they will stop supplements and destroy their health. Rita Black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 <snip> same girl who posted here about how Dr. Ren told her she > would be better off having RNY than DS because she has 3 small children and is younger. Carole, I am younger, had a BMI of 40 and have 2 young kids, Dr. Ren thought the BPD/DS was the way to go for me. Maybe there is more to the story that this gal isn't revealing or doesn't even realize herself... What annoys me is this woman decided that whatever Dr. Ren said > was what she would do, deciding that if God closed the door to DS, she > wouldn't try to open it. I am so upset about this. I am upset with the Dr. > for telling her that and wondering why Dr. Ren would say something like that. Carole, sounds like this gal gives up too easily, maybe she isn't a good candidate for the BPD/DS and the surgeon recognized that. The BPD/DS is not the ideal WLS for everyone. A surgeon has to try and help their patients get the best surgery for THEM. If the patient disagrees, they will have research in hand and visit another surgeon. > Based on people who are so easily led, I'd say surgeons > (such as this one) should watch what they say to people. But then, people > should have a little more sense and make decisions on more than one > conversation with one Dr. Carole, if this gal isn't doing or hasn't done her research then I don't think the surgeon should be faulted if they give an opinion or make a recommendation for another type of WLS. I know Dr. Ren went over all the options, risks, dangers, pros and cons during my consult. She spent over an hour with me. We also discussed my past history, diet history and eating style. I knew I wanted a DS, had done a ton of research and Dr. Ren agreed that the BPD/DS was the best WLS for ME. If she didn't think the DS was for me, I would have sought a 2nd opinion. If people are so easily led, then, maybe they are not capable of taking care of themselves after a BPD/DS. What happens if a doctor tells her down the road she doesn't need so many vitamins, pretty sad ending if she doesn't research on her own and just goes ahead and follows his advice. > I should probably keep my big mouth out of this, but boy it upsets me that > some people can allow themselves to be manipulated so easily in the name of > their belief system and that some surgeons would say something like this to a > patient. Carole, we don't really know why a surgeon who does BPD/DS would recommend against having that type of WLS to a particular patient. We do not know this patient's history, her mental and physical status and her compliance level. There is more than meets the eye and obviously, this gal is happy to follow the advice of her surgeon. If she really only wanted a DS, there are alot of other surgeons in the NYC area that she can consult with. Jane J. 230/173 (-57 lbs.) Lap BPD/DS April 26, 2001 Dr. Ren NYU Medical Center, NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 > > Perhaps Dr Ren would benefit from hearing from the many DS post ops > > whose " sweet tooth " disappeared after surgery. > > > > in Seattle, sweet toothless No such luck here. I liked sweets and sugary things before surgery and just as much now. This is my biggest daily demon. I thank g*d that I am not a diabetic. A day does not go by that I don't indulge in a sweet treat. I really have to watch myself because I can easily overdo it and on more than one occasion have. I think the post-ops that " lost " their sweet tooth are very lucky. Jane J. 230/173 (-57#) Lap BPD/DS April 26, 2001 Dr. Ren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 > > Perhaps Dr Ren would benefit from hearing from the many DS post ops > > whose " sweet tooth " disappeared after surgery. > > > > in Seattle, sweet toothless No such luck here. I liked sweets and sugary things before surgery and just as much now. This is my biggest daily demon. I thank g*d that I am not a diabetic. A day does not go by that I don't indulge in a sweet treat. I really have to watch myself because I can easily overdo it and on more than one occasion have. I think the post-ops that " lost " their sweet tooth are very lucky. Jane J. 230/173 (-57#) Lap BPD/DS April 26, 2001 Dr. Ren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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