Re: Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

[Guest guest]

Thanks and ee.

I haven't thought of epoxy. Will it work on the rubber part? To be honest, I

keep forgetting to pick up something every time I'm out. Next time I go to

walmart I will try to remember the epoxy.

number23 wrote:

Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll want to find

a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he bought at wal-mart in the

paint-supply area. It's held up well. The part that broke on our shoes was the

black plastic around the bottom sole.

s.

Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

,

I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once

with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination?

> Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to

> Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's

> holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks

> back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not

> aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new

> office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the

> process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still

> working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home)

> till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to

> work now lol!

>

> So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a

> while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see

> exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I

> was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's

> absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing

> to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause

> children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help

> them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were

> breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs

> with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed

> for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and

> is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened

> that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in

> the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them

> improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I

> think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a

> few weeks.

>

> So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of

> impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so

> he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter

> should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in

> sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6

> should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes

> 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be

> investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of

> your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel

> counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's

> feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or

> perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already

> has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression

> too. That way he could really make these individually for each

> child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new

> shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon

> would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now.

>

> We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets

> of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with

> the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold

> because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can

> see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like

> a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the

> mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have

> split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make

> them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I

> holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older

> walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to

> decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The

> insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split

> like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week

> was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch

> down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He

> thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes

> because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel

> area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the

> soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or

> linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and

> something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children

> walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with

> the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out

> soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's

> hope there!

>

> I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting

> the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I

> suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out

> because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed

> in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some

> parents may not notice that this can be done.

>

> We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging

> into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this

> issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's

> brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small

> shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to

> protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the

> larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close

> together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they

> need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there

> that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before

> Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself.

>

> I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But

> I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you

> who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones

> he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out.

>

>

> Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( )

>

> 1-877- PONSETI

>

> mdortho@f...

>

> I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted

> recently and you can always call the above number.

>

> Kori

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and ee.

I haven't thought of epoxy. Will it work on the rubber part? To be honest, I

keep forgetting to pick up something every time I'm out. Next time I go to

walmart I will try to remember the epoxy.

number23 wrote:

Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll want to find

a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he bought at wal-mart in the

paint-supply area. It's held up well. The part that broke on our shoes was the

black plastic around the bottom sole.

s.

Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

,

I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once

with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination?

> Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to

> Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's

> holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks

> back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not

> aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new

> office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the

> process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still

> working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home)

> till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to

> work now lol!

>

> So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a

> while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see

> exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I

> was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's

> absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing

> to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause

> children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help

> them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were

> breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs

> with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed

> for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and

> is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened

> that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in

> the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them

> improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I

> think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a

> few weeks.

>

> So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of

> impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so

> he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter

> should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in

> sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6

> should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes

> 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be

> investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of

> your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel

> counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's

> feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or

> perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already

> has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression

> too. That way he could really make these individually for each

> child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new

> shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon

> would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now.

>

> We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets

> of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with

> the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold

> because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can

> see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like

> a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the

> mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have

> split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make

> them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I

> holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older

> walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to

> decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The

> insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split

> like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week

> was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch

> down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He

> thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes

> because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel

> area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the

> soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or

> linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and

> something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children

> walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with

> the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out

> soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's

> hope there!

>

> I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting

> the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I

> suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out

> because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed

> in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some

> parents may not notice that this can be done.

>

> We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging

> into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this

> issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's

> brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small

> shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to

> protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the

> larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close

> together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they

> need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there

> that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before

> Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself.

>

> I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But

> I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you

> who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones

> he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out.

>

>

> Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( )

>

> 1-877- PONSETI

>

> mdortho@f...

>

> I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted

> recently and you can always call the above number.

>

> Kori

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Epoxy is a two part product/substance, that when mixed together

reacts so that it gets very hard (exothermal - will be hot). It is

often in one tube and you open the double tipped end and use a

plunger to dispense the two products equally onto some kind of mixing

tray (cardboard, plastic, whatever you've got that can be thrown

away). It's gooey and drippy at first but soon it does harden up

just like a hard *plastic* so it won't work on the rubber

part. :'( I too have shoes that need help... but for the life of

me I can't figure out anything that will mend that rubber. Anything

I can think of will certainly not hold... kinda how super glue

doesn't really work for a lot of things even if it does initially. bummer...

JB Weld is a product we've used in automotive repairs... once dh

actually JB Welded a battery so it would stop leaking long enough so

we could get a new one and it worked so well we didn't really need a

new battery for a long while. Works pretty good and is mega

hard/tough. It is a type of epoxy, a little stronger than the kind

you can get at a regular store like home depot or walmart. Get this

stuff at a auto parts store.

We're waiting for impression kits from so he can start making

new shoes for the Darbs. I think you may want to contact him about

your broken shoes, and maybe have him send you a kit or two as well

so he can compare Darbi's and 's heels (since they're different

sizes). You shouldn't HAVE to fix these shoes really. Are new ones

on the way yet or not?

Kori

At 10:23 AM 10/11/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks and ee.

>

>I haven't thought of epoxy. Will it work on the rubber part? To be

>honest, I keep forgetting to pick up something every time I'm

>out. Next time I go to walmart I will try to remember the epoxy.

>

>number23 wrote:

>Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll

>want to find a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he

>bought at wal-mart in the paint-supply area. It's held up

>well. The part that broke on our shoes was the black plastic around

>the bottom sole.

>s.

>

> Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

>

>

>,

>I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once

>with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination?

>

>

>

>

> > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to

> > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's

> > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks

> > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not

> > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new

> > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the

> > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still

> > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home)

> > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to

> > work now lol!

> >

> > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a

> > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see

> > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I

> > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's

> > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing

> > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause

> > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help

> > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were

> > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs

> > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed

> > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and

> > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened

> > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in

> > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them

> > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I

> > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a

> > few weeks.

> >

> > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of

> > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so

> > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter

> > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in

> > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6

> > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes

> > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be

> > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of

> > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel

> > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's

> > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or

> > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already

> > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression

> > too. That way he could really make these individually for each

> > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new

> > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon

> > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now.

> >

> > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets

> > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with

> > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold

> > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can

> > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like

> > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the

> > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have

> > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make

> > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I

> > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older

> > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to

> > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The

> > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split

> > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week

> > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch

> > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He

> > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes

> > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel

> > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the

> > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or

> > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and

> > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children

> > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with

> > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out

> > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's

> > hope there!

> >

> > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting

> > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I

> > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out

> > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed

> > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some

> > parents may not notice that this can be done.

> >

> > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging

> > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this

> > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's

> > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small

> > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to

> > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the

> > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close

> > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they

> > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there

> > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before

> > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself.

> >

> > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But

> > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you

> > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones

> > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out.

> >

> >

> > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( )

> >

> > 1-877- PONSETI

> >

> > mdortho@f...

> >

> > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted

> > recently and you can always call the above number.

> >

> > Kori

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Epoxy is a two part product/substance, that when mixed together

reacts so that it gets very hard (exothermal - will be hot). It is

often in one tube and you open the double tipped end and use a

plunger to dispense the two products equally onto some kind of mixing

tray (cardboard, plastic, whatever you've got that can be thrown

away). It's gooey and drippy at first but soon it does harden up

just like a hard *plastic* so it won't work on the rubber

part. :'( I too have shoes that need help... but for the life of

me I can't figure out anything that will mend that rubber. Anything

I can think of will certainly not hold... kinda how super glue

doesn't really work for a lot of things even if it does initially. bummer...

JB Weld is a product we've used in automotive repairs... once dh

actually JB Welded a battery so it would stop leaking long enough so

we could get a new one and it worked so well we didn't really need a

new battery for a long while. Works pretty good and is mega

hard/tough. It is a type of epoxy, a little stronger than the kind

you can get at a regular store like home depot or walmart. Get this

stuff at a auto parts store.

We're waiting for impression kits from so he can start making

new shoes for the Darbs. I think you may want to contact him about

your broken shoes, and maybe have him send you a kit or two as well

so he can compare Darbi's and 's heels (since they're different

sizes). You shouldn't HAVE to fix these shoes really. Are new ones

on the way yet or not?

Kori

At 10:23 AM 10/11/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks and ee.

>

>I haven't thought of epoxy. Will it work on the rubber part? To be

>honest, I keep forgetting to pick up something every time I'm

>out. Next time I go to walmart I will try to remember the epoxy.

>

>number23 wrote:

>Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll

>want to find a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he

>bought at wal-mart in the paint-supply area. It's held up

>well. The part that broke on our shoes was the black plastic around

>the bottom sole.

>s.

>

> Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

>

>

>,

>I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once

>with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination?

>

>

>

>

> > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to

> > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's

> > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks

> > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not

> > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new

> > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the

> > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still

> > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home)

> > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to

> > work now lol!

> >

> > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a

> > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see

> > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I

> > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's

> > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing

> > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause

> > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help

> > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were

> > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs

> > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed

> > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and

> > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened

> > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in

> > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them

> > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I

> > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a

> > few weeks.

> >

> > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of

> > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so

> > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter

> > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in

> > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6

> > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes

> > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be

> > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of

> > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel

> > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's

> > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or

> > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already

> > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression

> > too. That way he could really make these individually for each

> > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new

> > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon

> > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now.

> >

> > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets

> > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with

> > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold

> > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can

> > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like

> > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the

> > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have

> > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make

> > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I

> > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older

> > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to

> > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The

> > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split

> > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week

> > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch

> > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He

> > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes

> > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel

> > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the

> > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or

> > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and

> > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children

> > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with

> > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out

> > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's

> > hope there!

> >

> > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting

> > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I

> > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out

> > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed

> > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some

> > parents may not notice that this can be done.

> >

> > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging

> > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this

> > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's

> > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small

> > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to

> > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the

> > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close

> > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they

> > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there

> > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before

> > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself.

> >

> > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But

> > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you

> > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones

> > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out.

> >

> >

> > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( )

> >

> > 1-877- PONSETI

> >

> > mdortho@f...

> >

> > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted

> > recently and you can always call the above number.

> >

> > Kori

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kori,

I haven't contacted about them yet. I don't want him to think I am trying

to get free new shoes all the time. This pair is somewhat new. As of now, the

crack is barely moving. If it progresses, maybe I will let him know.

frogabog wrote:

Epoxy is a two part product/substance, that when mixed together

reacts so that it gets very hard (exothermal - will be hot). It is

often in one tube and you open the double tipped end and use a

plunger to dispense the two products equally onto some kind of mixing

tray (cardboard, plastic, whatever you've got that can be thrown

away). It's gooey and drippy at first but soon it does harden up

just like a hard *plastic* so it won't work on the rubber

part. :'( I too have shoes that need help... but for the life of

me I can't figure out anything that will mend that rubber. Anything

I can think of will certainly not hold... kinda how super glue

doesn't really work for a lot of things even if it does initially. bummer...

JB Weld is a product we've used in automotive repairs... once dh

actually JB Welded a battery so it would stop leaking long enough so

we could get a new one and it worked so well we didn't really need a

new battery for a long while. Works pretty good and is mega

hard/tough. It is a type of epoxy, a little stronger than the kind

you can get at a regular store like home depot or walmart. Get this

stuff at a auto parts store.

We're waiting for impression kits from so he can start making

new shoes for the Darbs. I think you may want to contact him about

your broken shoes, and maybe have him send you a kit or two as well

so he can compare Darbi's and 's heels (since they're different

sizes). You shouldn't HAVE to fix these shoes really. Are new ones

on the way yet or not?

Kori

At 10:23 AM 10/11/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks and ee.

>

>I haven't thought of epoxy. Will it work on the rubber part? To be

>honest, I keep forgetting to pick up something every time I'm

>out. Next time I go to walmart I will try to remember the epoxy.

>

>number23 wrote:

>Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll

>want to find a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he

>bought at wal-mart in the paint-supply area. It's held up

>well. The part that broke on our shoes was the black plastic around

>the bottom sole.

>s.

>

> Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

>

>

>,

>I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once

>with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination?

>

>

>

>

> > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to

> > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's

> > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks

> > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not

> > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new

> > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the

> > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still

> > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home)

> > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to

> > work now lol!

> >

> > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a

> > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see

> > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I

> > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's

> > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing

> > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause

> > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help

> > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were

> > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs

> > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed

> > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and

> > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened

> > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in

> > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them

> > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I

> > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a

> > few weeks.

> >

> > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of

> > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so

> > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter

> > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in

> > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6

> > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes

> > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be

> > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of

> > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel

> > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's

> > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or

> > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already

> > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression

> > too. That way he could really make these individually for each

> > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new

> > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon

> > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now.

> >

> > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets

> > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with

> > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold

> > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can

> > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like

> > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the

> > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have

> > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make

> > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I

> > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older

> > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to

> > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The

> > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split

> > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week

> > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch

> > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He

> > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes

> > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel

> > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the

> > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or

> > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and

> > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children

> > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with

> > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out

> > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's

> > hope there!

> >

> > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting

> > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I

> > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out

> > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed

> > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some

> > parents may not notice that this can be done.

> >

> > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging

> > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this

> > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's

> > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small

> > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to

> > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the

> > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close

> > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they

> > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there

> > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before

> > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself.

> >

> > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But

> > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you

> > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones

> > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out.

> >

> >

> > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( )

> >

> > 1-877- PONSETI

> >

> > mdortho@f...

> >

> > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted

> > recently and you can always call the above number.

> >

> > Kori

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kori,

I haven't contacted about them yet. I don't want him to think I am trying

to get free new shoes all the time. This pair is somewhat new. As of now, the

crack is barely moving. If it progresses, maybe I will let him know.

frogabog wrote:

Epoxy is a two part product/substance, that when mixed together

reacts so that it gets very hard (exothermal - will be hot). It is

often in one tube and you open the double tipped end and use a

plunger to dispense the two products equally onto some kind of mixing

tray (cardboard, plastic, whatever you've got that can be thrown

away). It's gooey and drippy at first but soon it does harden up

just like a hard *plastic* so it won't work on the rubber

part. :'( I too have shoes that need help... but for the life of

me I can't figure out anything that will mend that rubber. Anything

I can think of will certainly not hold... kinda how super glue

doesn't really work for a lot of things even if it does initially. bummer...

JB Weld is a product we've used in automotive repairs... once dh

actually JB Welded a battery so it would stop leaking long enough so

we could get a new one and it worked so well we didn't really need a

new battery for a long while. Works pretty good and is mega

hard/tough. It is a type of epoxy, a little stronger than the kind

you can get at a regular store like home depot or walmart. Get this

stuff at a auto parts store.

We're waiting for impression kits from so he can start making

new shoes for the Darbs. I think you may want to contact him about

your broken shoes, and maybe have him send you a kit or two as well

so he can compare Darbi's and 's heels (since they're different

sizes). You shouldn't HAVE to fix these shoes really. Are new ones

on the way yet or not?

Kori

At 10:23 AM 10/11/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks and ee.

>

>I haven't thought of epoxy. Will it work on the rubber part? To be

>honest, I keep forgetting to pick up something every time I'm

>out. Next time I go to walmart I will try to remember the epoxy.

>

>number23 wrote:

>Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll

>want to find a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he

>bought at wal-mart in the paint-supply area. It's held up

>well. The part that broke on our shoes was the black plastic around

>the bottom sole.

>s.

>

> Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue

>

>

>,

>I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once

>with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination?

>

>

>

>

> > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to

> > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's

> > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks

> > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not

> > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new

> > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the

> > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still

> > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home)

> > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to

> > work now lol!

> >

> > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a

> > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see

> > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I

> > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's

> > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing

> > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause

> > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help

> > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were

> > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs

> > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed

> > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and

> > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened

> > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in

> > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them

> > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I

> > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a

> > few weeks.

> >

> > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of

> > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so

> > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter

> > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in

> > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6

> > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes

> > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be

> > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of

> > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel

> > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's

> > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or

> > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already

> > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression

> > too. That way he could really make these individually for each

> > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new

> > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon

> > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now.

> >

> > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets

> > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with

> > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold

> > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can

> > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like

> > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the

> > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have

> > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make

> > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I

> > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older

> > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to

> > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The

> > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split

> > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week

> > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch

> > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He

> > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes

> > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel

> > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the

> > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or

> > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and

> > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children

> > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with

> > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out

> > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's

> > hope there!

> >

> > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting

> > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I

> > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out

> > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed

> > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some

> > parents may not notice that this can be done.

> >

> > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging

> > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this

> > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's

> > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small

> > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to

> > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the

> > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close

> > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they

> > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there

> > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before

> > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself.

> >

> > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But

> > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you

> > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones

> > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out.

> >

> >

> > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( )

> >

> > 1-877- PONSETI

> >

> > mdortho@f...

> >

> > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted

> > recently and you can always call the above number.

> >

> > Kori

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >