Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Is it too tight? Or is the tongue bunching up under neath the strap? I mentioned before I have trimmed the tongues out of both pair of shoes we have used because there was just too much material to lay across his foot smoothly. In the mean time you (duh) need to work on healing it yet not losing correction and that of course is the constant challenge we face with these things. I'm sorry, I'm really no help s. Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue is in the s and has been for over a year now. We got him a new pair in April and for some reason, he's got a small open sore where the middle strap is... It's always been red there but it's never bothered him.. and last night I noticed it's opened. He's never had any problems with the heels tho.. Any suggestions? Thanks & -------------- Original message -------------- Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Is it too tight? Or is the tongue bunching up under neath the strap? I mentioned before I have trimmed the tongues out of both pair of shoes we have used because there was just too much material to lay across his foot smoothly. In the mean time you (duh) need to work on healing it yet not losing correction and that of course is the constant challenge we face with these things. I'm sorry, I'm really no help s. Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue is in the s and has been for over a year now. We got him a new pair in April and for some reason, he's got a small open sore where the middle strap is... It's always been red there but it's never bothered him.. and last night I noticed it's opened. He's never had any problems with the heels tho.. Any suggestions? Thanks & -------------- Original message -------------- Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hmmm, that is puzzling. Maybe just one night there happened to be a " pill " in his sock that pressed all night. Is it getting better or worse now, can you tell? s. ----- Original See that's just it.. We've never had a problem before. It's been " all of a sudden " . It's no tighter than I've ever put them before. Nothing really has changed. Thanks tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hmmm, that is puzzling. Maybe just one night there happened to be a " pill " in his sock that pressed all night. Is it getting better or worse now, can you tell? s. ----- Original See that's just it.. We've never had a problem before. It's been " all of a sudden " . It's no tighter than I've ever put them before. Nothing really has changed. Thanks tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 WOW Kori, Good for you, you go girl! We don't personally need the 's but I know that for a lot of kids, they are essential and that without them they would be looking at possible surgeries. I think everyone who has a child that is going to wear these shoes owes you a big thanks for caring and spending the time to help improve upon the design of these shoes. This will be the template for all his other larger sizes right? You should be proud of yourself! \\\\\\\\\\\\ this is me giving you a big pat on the back!! & Grace > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > work now lol! > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > few weeks. > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > hope there! > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > 1-877- PONSETI > > mdortho@f... > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > recently and you can always call the above number. > > Kori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 WOW Kori, Good for you, you go girl! We don't personally need the 's but I know that for a lot of kids, they are essential and that without them they would be looking at possible surgeries. I think everyone who has a child that is going to wear these shoes owes you a big thanks for caring and spending the time to help improve upon the design of these shoes. This will be the template for all his other larger sizes right? You should be proud of yourself! \\\\\\\\\\\\ this is me giving you a big pat on the back!! & Grace > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > work now lol! > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > few weeks. > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > hope there! > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > 1-877- PONSETI > > mdortho@f... > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > recently and you can always call the above number. > > Kori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Kori, I think should hire you and Darbi, LOL!! Great info, thanks. 's right shoe is cracked in the back rubber above the heel. I don't know if I should make aware or not. I don't foresee it to be a problem yet. What do you think? I can't imagine it would continue all the way to the top, kwim? Similar to a run in pantyhose? Do you think I should try to superglue it, or just leave alone. Her shoes are size 3. The flex you were describing makes sense. is now at a point where she is standing freely in them, but hasn't tried to walk in them yet. I bet that will come next. frogabog wrote: Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Kori, I think should hire you and Darbi, LOL!! Great info, thanks. 's right shoe is cracked in the back rubber above the heel. I don't know if I should make aware or not. I don't foresee it to be a problem yet. What do you think? I can't imagine it would continue all the way to the top, kwim? Similar to a run in pantyhose? Do you think I should try to superglue it, or just leave alone. Her shoes are size 3. The flex you were describing makes sense. is now at a point where she is standing freely in them, but hasn't tried to walk in them yet. I bet that will come next. frogabog wrote: Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 is in the s and has been for over a year now. We got him a new pair in April and for some reason, he's got a small open sore where the middle strap is... It's always been red there but it's never bothered him.. and last night I noticed it's opened. He's never had any problems with the heels tho.. Any suggestions? Thanks & -------------- Original message -------------- Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 is in the s and has been for over a year now. We got him a new pair in April and for some reason, he's got a small open sore where the middle strap is... It's always been red there but it's never bothered him.. and last night I noticed it's opened. He's never had any problems with the heels tho.. Any suggestions? Thanks & -------------- Original message -------------- Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 See that's just it.. We've never had a problem before. It's been " all of a sudden " . It's no tighter than I've ever put them before. Nothing really has changed. Thanks tho --------- Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue is in the s and has been for over a year now. We got him a new pair in April and for some reason, he's got a small open sore where the middle strap is... It's always been red there but it's never bothered him.. and last night I noticed it's opened. He's never had any problems with the heels tho.. Any suggestions? Thanks & -------------- Original message -------------- Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 See that's just it.. We've never had a problem before. It's been " all of a sudden " . It's no tighter than I've ever put them before. Nothing really has changed. Thanks tho --------- Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue is in the s and has been for over a year now. We got him a new pair in April and for some reason, he's got a small open sore where the middle strap is... It's always been red there but it's never bothered him.. and last night I noticed it's opened. He's never had any problems with the heels tho.. Any suggestions? Thanks & -------------- Original message -------------- Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to work now lol! So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a few weeks. So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression too. That way he could really make these individually for each child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's hope there! I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some parents may not notice that this can be done. We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) 1-877- PONSETI mdortho@... I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted recently and you can always call the above number. Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Not much time, but here's a quick reply. I think the sore on Lily's heel is about in the same place as Darbi's. Not full blown blister/broken skin, but persistent purplish red mark. Lily was in size 0 and just moved to size 1. I notice that the buckle is digging into Lily's cf too with this newer pair. Thanks again for working so hard on this Kori! Kim > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > work now lol! > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > few weeks. > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > hope there! > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > 1-877- PONSETI > > mdortho@f... > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > recently and you can always call the above number. > > Kori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 It's still red, but it does look better. Now it's just really dry.. I've been keeping a close eye on it and making sure nothing is in the way.. You're probably right. It does seem to be getting better Thanks! -------------- Original message -------------- Hmmm, that is puzzling. Maybe just one night there happened to be a " pill " in his sock that pressed all night. Is it getting better or worse now, can you tell? s. ----- Original See that's just it.. We've never had a problem before. It's been " all of a sudden " . It's no tighter than I've ever put them before. Nothing really has changed. Thanks tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Ya, I'd tell because if this becomes a constant problem he'll want to find a better material - but dh used a 2 part epoxy he bought at wal-mart in the paint-supply area. It's held up well. The part that broke on our shoes was the black plastic around the bottom sole. s. Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue , I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination? > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > work now lol! > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > few weeks. > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > hope there! > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > 1-877- PONSETI > > mdortho@f... > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > recently and you can always call the above number. > > Kori > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 , I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination? > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > work now lol! > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > few weeks. > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > hope there! > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > 1-877- PONSETI > > mdortho@f... > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > recently and you can always call the above number. > > Kori > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I heard from a Mom when I was in Iowa last week that her daughter's (fabgirls is her screen name) and she took her shoes into the shoe place and had the shoes fixed. I had the same problem with mine - either it was the black plastic on the shoe that came apart from the straps, or it was the straps itself. I had both incidents happen. I called and he overnighted a new shoe for me to switch and I sent him the damaged one back for his inspection. But I have heard that a strong glue will help! wrote: , I seem to remember ee saying she fixed something like this once with some kind of epoxy. ee, am I right or is it my imagination? > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > work now lol! > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > few weeks. > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > hope there! > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > 1-877- PONSETI > > mdortho@f... > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > recently and you can always call the above number. > > Kori > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Kori, Just curious if you have thought about trying to melt the rubber and kind of re-melt it back together? I don't know how, or with what, just a thought... allison > > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > > > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > > > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > > > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > > > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > > > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > > > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > > > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > > > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > > > work now lol! > > > > > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > > > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > > > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > > > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > > > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > > > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > > > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > > > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > > > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > > > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > > > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > > > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > > > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > > > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > > > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > > > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > > > few weeks. > > > > > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > > > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > > > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > > > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > > > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > > > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > > > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > > > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > > > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > > > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > > > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > > > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > > > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > > > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > > > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > > > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > > > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > > > > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > > > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > > > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > > > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > > > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > > > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > > > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > > > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > > > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > > > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > > > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > > > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > > > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > > > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > > > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > > > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > > > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > > > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > > > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > > > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > > > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > > > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > > > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > > > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > > > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > > > hope there! > > > > > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > > > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > > > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > > > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > > > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > > > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > > > > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > > > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > > > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > > > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > > > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > > > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > > > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > > > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > > > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > > > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > > > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > > > > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > > > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > > > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > > > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > > > > > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > > > > > 1-877- PONSETI > > > > > > mdortho@f... > > > > > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > > > recently and you can always call the above number. > > > > > > Kori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Kori, Just curious if you have thought about trying to melt the rubber and kind of re-melt it back together? I don't know how, or with what, just a thought... allison > > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > > > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > > > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > > > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > > > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > > > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > > > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > > > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > > > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > > > work now lol! > > > > > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > > > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > > > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > > > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > > > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > > > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > > > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > > > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > > > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > > > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > > > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > > > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > > > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > > > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > > > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > > > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > > > few weeks. > > > > > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > > > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > > > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > > > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > > > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > > > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > > > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > > > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > > > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > > > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > > > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > > > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > > > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > > > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > > > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > > > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > > > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > > > > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > > > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > > > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > > > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > > > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > > > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > > > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > > > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > > > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > > > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > > > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > > > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > > > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > > > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > > > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > > > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > > > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > > > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > > > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > > > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > > > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > > > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > > > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > > > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > > > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > > > hope there! > > > > > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > > > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > > > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > > > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > > > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > > > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > > > > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > > > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > > > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > > > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > > > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > > > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > > > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > > > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > > > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > > > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > > > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > > > > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > > > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > > > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > > > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > > > > > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > > > > > 1-877- PONSETI > > > > > > mdortho@f... > > > > > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > > > recently and you can always call the above number. > > > > > > Kori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 HOT GLUE? Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue Kori, Just curious if you have thought about trying to melt the rubber and kind of re-melt it back together? I don't know how, or with what, just a thought... allison > > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > > > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > > > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > > > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > > > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > > > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > > > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > > > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > > > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > > > work now lol! > > > > > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > > > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > > > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > > > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > > > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > > > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > > > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > > > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > > > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > > > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > > > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > > > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > > > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > > > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > > > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > > > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > > > few weeks. > > > > > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > > > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > > > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > > > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > > > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > > > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > > > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > > > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > > > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > > > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > > > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > > > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > > > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > > > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > > > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > > > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > > > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > > > > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > > > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > > > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > > > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > > > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > > > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > > > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > > > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > > > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > > > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > > > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > > > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > > > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > > > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > > > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > > > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > > > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > > > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > > > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > > > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > > > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > > > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > > > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > > > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > > > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > > > hope there! > > > > > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > > > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > > > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > > > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > > > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > > > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > > > > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > > > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > > > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > > > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > > > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > > > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > > > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > > > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > > > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > > > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > > > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > > > > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > > > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > > > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > > > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > > > > > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > > > > > 1-877- PONSETI > > > > > > mdortho@f... > > > > > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > > > recently and you can always call the above number. > > > > > > Kori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 HOT GLUE? Re: Talked to about the heel counter issue Kori, Just curious if you have thought about trying to melt the rubber and kind of re-melt it back together? I don't know how, or with what, just a thought... allison > > > Well, I finally got a chance to call Iowa yesterday. I talked to > > > Jeanne during the day and sent her the pics that I had of Darbi's > > > holed PM's and her sores. I'd sent them to Todd a couple of weeks > > > back but hadn't heard back and I'm not sure why but was not > > > aware of this problem. Glad to hear now they have dsl at the new > > > office and the pic emails went through fine. They are still in the > > > process of building the new shop in town but and Todd are still > > > working at the old place (which happens to be the 's home) > > > till the new one is done. Funny, they have to go to town to go to > > > work now lol! > > > > > > So called me back in the evening and we talked for quite a > > > while. He agrees with me about the heel counter and could see > > > exactly what I was talking about from the pics. I am thrilled that I > > > was able to convey all that I needed to with those pics and he's > > > absolutely in agreement about this issue. Poor man keeps apologizing > > > to me (as did Jeanne) agonizing about how he never wanted to cause > > > children to have pain and sores... he just wants to help > > > them. <sigh> I told him I wasn't upset at all and I knew they were > > > breaking ground on these larger shoes and this kind of thing runs > > > with the territory. In the end they'll have a perfect shoe designed > > > for older kids. He is very accepting to constructive criticism and > > > is pleased to hear from parents in this way. It just so happened > > > that my daughter seems to be the guinea pig for FAB improvements in > > > the past couple of years. Poor kid... But if her problems help them > > > improve the shoes so no one else has issues... it's worth it I > > > think. I doubt she'll be permanently damaged from having owies for a > > > few weeks. > > > > > > So what the plan is now, is that he's going to send me a couple of > > > impression kits and I'm going to lay the back of her heel into it so > > > he can make a plaster cast and see exactly where the new heel counter > > > should be. If this works, some of you who have older children in > > > sizes 4 and up (maybe 3, but he and I were thinking 4, 5, and 6 > > > should be considered at first - input from parents of babes in sizes > > > 2 and 3 please pipe up if you think those sizes/ages should be > > > investigated too) may hear from him asking you to make impressions of > > > your child's heels so he can figure out where each size's heel > > > counter should be. I think he needs to look at more than Darbi's > > > feet to know where the happy medium is for the average foot. Or > > > perhaps he'll decide that in addition to the impressions he already > > > has us do normally that he'll just ask for the heel impression > > > too. That way he could really make these individually for each > > > child. But he is going to work on this issue and I hope to have new > > > shoes with a proper heel counter for Darbi soon to test out. Soon > > > would be great since she does have TWO broken pairs of shoes now. > > > > > > We talked about the recent problems I've seen online with the 4 sets > > > of shoes that have split in the back (which include our new pair with > > > the rivets). I think it might be that he got a bubble in the mold > > > because on Darbi's shoes when I put the rubber back together I can > > > see that there's a little indent right where it split that looks like > > > a tiny air bubble. Maybe it was a piece of sand or something in the > > > mold when he poured them? I don't know if the other shoes that have > > > split have this bubble but ours do and I can see how that may make > > > them split right there. I'm pretty sure the others split because I > > > holed them though. In talking about this he mentioned that older > > > walkers are pretty hard on these shoes and he's working on ways to > > > decrease the pressure/force on the rubber for older children. The > > > insole may have to be thicker in big kids shoes so they don't split > > > like this, who knows. One idea he'd passed by Dr. Ponseti this week > > > was to make the sole in the front flexible so that when they crouch > > > down the shoe acts like a normal shoe and flexes at the toes. He > > > thinks this may take some of the pressure off the back of the shoes > > > because the only way they can flex now is at the ankles and heel > > > area. We also talked (again) about putting some rubbery stuff on the > > > soles so that these kids aren't slipping and sliding on hardwoods or > > > linoleum floors. I think the combination of the flexible sole and > > > something that will grip the smooth floors will have our children > > > walking unaided in no time!! If Dr. Ponseti doesn't disagree with > > > the flexible sole idea I think we may see some cool shoes come out > > > soon! It didn't sound like Dr. P. had shot that idea down so there's > > > hope there! > > > > > > I told him I really liked the rivets, they are perfect for fitting > > > the straps exactly where each individual child needs them most. I > > > suggested that they break the straps free before shipping them out > > > because so far the two pairs I've seen like this were stiffly fixed > > > in one position till you break them free and swivel them a bit, some > > > parents may not notice that this can be done. > > > > > > We also talked about Christee's current issue with the buckle digging > > > into Lilee's foot. He said there was one other child who had this > > > issue and his suggestion was for mole skin for them but he's > > > brainstorming if he can make the tongue longer on the very small > > > shoes so that it goes under both the middle and lower strap to > > > protect baby from this happening. I don't see it happening on the > > > larger shoes like Darbi has but maybe because the straps are so close > > > together on the tiny ones and their feet are still so puffy that they > > > need this modification. I'm hoping that when Christee gets there > > > that he will be able to go to Iowa City and meet with them before > > > Lilee is casted so he can see this for himself. > > > > > > I think that's it... If I remember something else I'll post it. But > > > I think this is all good news and hopefully by the time most of you > > > who have little ones in these shoes are ready for the larger ones > > > he'll have the heel counter thing all figured out. > > > > > > > > > Contact info for MD Orthopaedics ( ) > > > > > > 1-877- PONSETI > > > > > > mdortho@f... > > > > > > I don't have their address right here sorry... but it's been posted > > > recently and you can always call the above number. > > > > > > Kori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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