RE: Re: the truth about RNY

[Guest guest]

You had a DS twice? what happened??

Judie

Re: Re: the truth about RNY

> Judie, It was Dr. Gagner, both times. I was his first revision.

> Patti

>

> > Patti,

> > Who was your surgeon?

> >

> > Judie

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[Guest guest]

Judie, It was Dr. Gagner, both times. I was his first revision.

Patti

> Patti,

> Who was your surgeon?

>

> Judie

[Guest guest]

Judie, It was Dr. Gagner, both times. I was his first revision.

Patti

> Patti,

> Who was your surgeon?

>

> Judie

[Guest guest]

I stopped losing between 6-7 months out. At 1 year I started gaining weight

back, and was up 30 lbs by the time I had a revision on 6-25-2001. I gained

and lost a few lbs the weeks before surgery, and wasn't weighed before

surgery, so I don't quite know the exact. I was told my intestines lengthen

on their own, causing me to gain.

Patti

> You had a DS twice? what happened??

>

> Judie

>

>

[Guest guest]

I stopped losing between 6-7 months out. At 1 year I started gaining weight

back, and was up 30 lbs by the time I had a revision on 6-25-2001. I gained

and lost a few lbs the weeks before surgery, and wasn't weighed before

surgery, so I don't quite know the exact. I was told my intestines lengthen

on their own, causing me to gain.

Patti

> You had a DS twice? what happened??

>

> Judie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patti

I had heard in the majority of cases the intestines do lengthen out after a

year (somewhat any way) Its so strange to hear you stopped losing at 6

months.....how long was your common channel?

I would guess your case is very unusual, right?

Judie

[Guest guest]

Patti

I had heard in the majority of cases the intestines do lengthen out after a

year (somewhat any way) Its so strange to hear you stopped losing at 6

months.....how long was your common channel?

I would guess your case is very unusual, right?

Judie

[Guest guest]

Judie:

It was 100, and now it is 50. You are so right about it being unusual. I

look at everyone who had surgery around the time I did, and they are all at

goal weight with a common channel of 100. They started at over 300 lbs too.

One was 5 " 1 240, and she lost her weight really fast.

Patti

> Patti

> I had heard in the majority of cases the intestines do lengthen out after

a

> year (somewhat any way) Its so strange to hear you stopped losing at 6

> months.....how long was your common channel?

> I would guess your case is very unusual, right?

>

> Judie

>

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[Guest guest]

Judie:

It was 100, and now it is 50. You are so right about it being unusual. I

look at everyone who had surgery around the time I did, and they are all at

goal weight with a common channel of 100. They started at over 300 lbs too.

One was 5 " 1 240, and she lost her weight really fast.

Patti

> Patti

> I had heard in the majority of cases the intestines do lengthen out after

a

> year (somewhat any way) Its so strange to hear you stopped losing at 6

> months.....how long was your common channel?

> I would guess your case is very unusual, right?

>

> Judie

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Judie-- Do what is best for you. The RNY has worked well for

many and yes we are a little prejudiced about the DS but you have to look

within and take care of you. Also, check into the lap band that Dr. Ren

does. That sounds like something that is pretty safe and I know someone

that had it done 10 years ago and she has lost all her weight and didn't have

to change the plumbing in her body. It is reversible and with next to no

complications. You can adjust it at anytime and feel full anytime you want.

Good Luck Ellen(Pam

[Guest guest]

Wow Patti you are like the bionic woman!!! Was the second surgery easier than

the first? Hey I just say you had surgery the same day as me. How are you

feeling now?

Lisbeth

Patti Skiba wrote: I stopped losing between 6-7 months

out. At 1 year I started gaining weight

back, and was up 30 lbs by the time I had a revision on 6-25-2001. I gained

and lost a few lbs the weeks before surgery, and wasn't weighed before

surgery, so I don't quite know the exact. I was told my intestines lengthen

on their own, causing me to gain.

Patti

> You had a DS twice? what happened??

>

> Judie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Wow Patti you are like the bionic woman!!! Was the second surgery easier than

the first? Hey I just say you had surgery the same day as me. How are you

feeling now?

Lisbeth

Patti Skiba wrote: I stopped losing between 6-7 months

out. At 1 year I started gaining weight

back, and was up 30 lbs by the time I had a revision on 6-25-2001. I gained

and lost a few lbs the weeks before surgery, and wasn't weighed before

surgery, so I don't quite know the exact. I was told my intestines lengthen

on their own, causing me to gain.

Patti

> You had a DS twice? what happened??

>

> Judie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/22/2001 9:22:33 PM Central Daylight Time,

LiliFrench@... writes:

> but I know

> of RnYs who also have problems with diarrhea.. and there is NO WAY I

> would undo this, even with my troubles! I know you're not a happy

> camper, and I wish I had decent advice.. but I'll be supporting you no

> matter What you decide.

> hugs,

> Liane

>

Realize too that should SEVERE diarrhea problems exist further surgery (ugh!)

can be done to lengthen the common channel. However, with the RNY (and

particularly with a transected stomach), it is very difficult to reverse the

stomach portion. In the DS any revision on the stomach is unnecessary (and

impossible) because it is normal functioning and we can eat enough that

stomach size (too small) is not a problem. Basically, the concern in the RNY

(proximal) is in stomach function and you can't depend on it being

reversible. The Concern in the DS is intestinal function (if malabsorbtion

is too severe and causes nutritional problems or diarrhea) but is totally

modifiable and reversible. Just something to think about!

Dawn

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/22/01 8:24:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

joostema@... writes:

> . We all want each other to experience success at this, and we all

> respect

> each other's decisions.

>

> We're behind you, Sherry ... go for it, and we'll be here to embrace you

> afterwards

Thank you Donna. Your words meant so much to me.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/22/01 10:22:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

LiliFrench@... writes:

> Sherry, I too support you no matter what..

> but weren't you considering using Dr. Keshisian?? I know his office

> is discussion a " less distal " DS for another patient with colon

> troubles-

No. I don't even know what state Dr. Keshishian is in. This less distal DS

has me thinking. If a surgeon went less distal on a DS, wouldn't the larger

capacity of the stomach hinder the weight loss?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/22/01 10:59:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tlarussa@... writes:

> I'm really not trying to beat up on you, but I just don't understand

> why tiny portions and dumping would appeal to you?

>

Lol, I believe you. ) Why does this appeal to me? Because of the history

that I have now. My main problem lies with my food portions and wrong food

choices. Now before I go further into this, I am not completely blaming

myself. Some of my obesity is genetics, some is from PCOS but nevertheless I

do admit that I eat way too much and go off the deep end with sugar at times.

Whichever surgery I have, I DO plan to follow the guidelines. I welcome the

guidelines. I just feel the RNY will keep me in check if I do have a " bad "

food day. Now keep in mind that even though I always felt more comfortable

with the RNY, I still chose the DS! I know the DS is a great surgery but

since I am having bowel problems already, I may as well go for what my heart

wanted in the first place.

Will ya still be my friend if I'm not switched?? ;oP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/01 3:19:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Beauby1022050943@... writes:

> Also, check into the lap band that Dr. Ren

> does.

Someone else also mentioned this. Now I can say that I know this is not for

me. I absolutely want some malabsorption going on! As a side note, Dr. Ren

doesn't accept my insurance.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/01 3:19:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Beauby1022050943@... writes:

> Also, check into the lap band that Dr. Ren

> does.

Someone else also mentioned this. Now I can say that I know this is not for

me. I absolutely want some malabsorption going on! As a side note, Dr. Ren

doesn't accept my insurance.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/01 10:59:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

GABS12992@... writes:

<< I may as well go for what my heart

wanted in the first place. >>

Going with your instincts works best, I hope it works well for you

Sheryl

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/01 10:59:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

GABS12992@... writes:

<< I may as well go for what my heart

wanted in the first place. >>

Going with your instincts works best, I hope it works well for you

Sheryl

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/01 10:33:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

tlarussa@... writes:

> After quite a bit of pondering, I figured out that one of the main

> reasons I'd ever wanted the RNY was because I was so terrified of

> becoming a normal weight person. And, with the RNY, if being thin

> became too hard, I knew I'd always have the option of becoming fat

> again.

>

>

Wow Tom...what an insightful post...I pretty much agreed with you about the

RNY...I know the several people with the RNY never have dumped so to have

this surgery thinking this will help maybe setting yourself up for grim

reality. I'm not saying its not a good surgery but I hate to see people do

it for the wrong reasons...and the beautiful thing about the DS is if there

are uncontrollable problems....the common channel can be revised to help fix

it. In my case...i'm getting more regular than before surgery with my

IBS...and I'm not the only one who seems to have IBS and been better off...

~~* AJ *~~

Age 37 5'8''

Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 - 415.1

08/06/01 BMI 59 - 390.2 -24.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~

08/16/01 BMI 58 - 387.0 -27.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~

Check out the Bellingham Support Group

and my personal page at WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/01 10:33:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

tlarussa@... writes:

> After quite a bit of pondering, I figured out that one of the main

> reasons I'd ever wanted the RNY was because I was so terrified of

> becoming a normal weight person. And, with the RNY, if being thin

> became too hard, I knew I'd always have the option of becoming fat

> again.

>

>

Wow Tom...what an insightful post...I pretty much agreed with you about the

RNY...I know the several people with the RNY never have dumped so to have

this surgery thinking this will help maybe setting yourself up for grim

reality. I'm not saying its not a good surgery but I hate to see people do

it for the wrong reasons...and the beautiful thing about the DS is if there

are uncontrollable problems....the common channel can be revised to help fix

it. In my case...i'm getting more regular than before surgery with my

IBS...and I'm not the only one who seems to have IBS and been better off...

~~* AJ *~~

Age 37 5'8''

Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 - 415.1

08/06/01 BMI 59 - 390.2 -24.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~

08/16/01 BMI 58 - 387.0 -27.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~

Check out the Bellingham Support Group

and my personal page at WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/01 3:15:16 AM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< nevertheless I

do admit that I eat way too much and go off the deep end with sugar at times.

Whichever surgery I have, I DO plan to follow the guidelines. I welcome the

guidelines. I just feel the RNY will keep me in check if I do have a " bad "

food day. >>>>>

I am not sure how the RNY will keep one 'in check' if one has a bad food

day... Are you referring to the dumping syndrome? Yes, I think this can be

effective if it works, is a strong reaction (I don't think everyone

experiences to a greatly uncomfortable degree) and is long term (I think it

*may* not work years and years afterwards). Of course, it is one tool to

help one adjust their eating habits by discouraging certain food choices.

BUT, it certainly DOESN'T mean that one cannot 'eat around' the surgery by

eating more frequently, etc. or eventually even eating those sugary foods

that will pack the pounds on eventually.

In a way, I think the DS also keeps on 'in check' if one has a bad food day

and even moreso. If one has some high fat, etc. --- Rest assured the

weight isn't going to pack on because of the malapsorption. If one has

sweets, the full effect won't be realized if the sweets are high in fat, etc.

YES, we absorb simple sugars so if one really has a chronic problem with

sugar eventually it will lead to problems. But, we're talking about

ocassional 'bad food days' and I think that any DSer who has eaten some

sweets, etc. every now and then hasn't suffered. LOL

<<<<<<<<< Now keep in mind that even though I always felt more comfortable

with the RNY, I still chose the DS! I know the DS is a great surgery but

since I am having bowel problems already, I may as well go for what my heart

wanted in the first place.

Will ya still be my friend if I'm not switched?? ;oP>>>>

I think everyone has to go with their 'gut feelings' and 'heart's desire'.

And, it's great that you've researched on top of that and educated yourself

about all possibilities and were open to it. If you really think that the DS

will exacerbate your already existing condition, then choose the RNY, live

long and prosper! I would just look into the distal RNY to be sure that

is what you want, perhaps check out the possibility of the lapband (I'm not

sure where you are located or if there are any surgeons near you who perform

it) and also get the testing done FIRST to rule out problems, etc. with your

colon. That way, you will be going into whatever surgery fully informed

about your condition and be better able to control/manage it as a post-op.

Of course, we can still be friends! As a post-op we may encounter different

problems and have different concerns but there are many things that we will

go through together as well.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

pre-op: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 224

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/01 3:15:16 AM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< nevertheless I

do admit that I eat way too much and go off the deep end with sugar at times.

Whichever surgery I have, I DO plan to follow the guidelines. I welcome the

guidelines. I just feel the RNY will keep me in check if I do have a " bad "

food day. >>>>>

I am not sure how the RNY will keep one 'in check' if one has a bad food

day... Are you referring to the dumping syndrome? Yes, I think this can be

effective if it works, is a strong reaction (I don't think everyone

experiences to a greatly uncomfortable degree) and is long term (I think it

*may* not work years and years afterwards). Of course, it is one tool to

help one adjust their eating habits by discouraging certain food choices.

BUT, it certainly DOESN'T mean that one cannot 'eat around' the surgery by

eating more frequently, etc. or eventually even eating those sugary foods

that will pack the pounds on eventually.

In a way, I think the DS also keeps on 'in check' if one has a bad food day

and even moreso. If one has some high fat, etc. --- Rest assured the

weight isn't going to pack on because of the malapsorption. If one has

sweets, the full effect won't be realized if the sweets are high in fat, etc.

YES, we absorb simple sugars so if one really has a chronic problem with

sugar eventually it will lead to problems. But, we're talking about

ocassional 'bad food days' and I think that any DSer who has eaten some

sweets, etc. every now and then hasn't suffered. LOL

<<<<<<<<< Now keep in mind that even though I always felt more comfortable

with the RNY, I still chose the DS! I know the DS is a great surgery but

since I am having bowel problems already, I may as well go for what my heart

wanted in the first place.

Will ya still be my friend if I'm not switched?? ;oP>>>>

I think everyone has to go with their 'gut feelings' and 'heart's desire'.

And, it's great that you've researched on top of that and educated yourself

about all possibilities and were open to it. If you really think that the DS

will exacerbate your already existing condition, then choose the RNY, live

long and prosper! I would just look into the distal RNY to be sure that

is what you want, perhaps check out the possibility of the lapband (I'm not

sure where you are located or if there are any surgeons near you who perform

it) and also get the testing done FIRST to rule out problems, etc. with your

colon. That way, you will be going into whatever surgery fully informed

about your condition and be better able to control/manage it as a post-op.

Of course, we can still be friends! As a post-op we may encounter different

problems and have different concerns but there are many things that we will

go through together as well.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

pre-op: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 224