Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 If you really want to know what it is like to live after RNY, subscribe to OWLS_SG I got on this list and I have not figured out how to get off - I think I unsubbed already cause it doesn't show up on the lists I am on when I got to yahoogroups.com, but I am still getting mail. Read a few posts there about eating too fast and forgetting to chew chew chew and eat small amts. and throwing up lunch. WOW - really makes me want to get an RNY, doesn't it you? So if anyone you know is considering RNY or thinks its better, let them sub to that list for a few days and read the Real Experiences of those who are post-op RNY. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 If you really want to know what it is like to live after RNY, subscribe to OWLS_SG I got on this list and I have not figured out how to get off - I think I unsubbed already cause it doesn't show up on the lists I am on when I got to yahoogroups.com, but I am still getting mail. Read a few posts there about eating too fast and forgetting to chew chew chew and eat small amts. and throwing up lunch. WOW - really makes me want to get an RNY, doesn't it you? So if anyone you know is considering RNY or thinks its better, let them sub to that list for a few days and read the Real Experiences of those who are post-op RNY. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 There are so many RNYers on the www.obesityhelp.com site. I've read so much about how they deal with the dumping, cramping, vomiting, etc. ...and how they WELCOME it to keep themselves " in check. " I figure I've spent a lifetime punishing myself over my weight for a variety of reasons, even though I know it isn't all " my fault " , as they say. Sure I've made some bad food choices (lady, step away from the candy aisle!) and I could always stand to exercise more (who couldn't?), but I'm not going under the knife and risking my life so I can continue to " punish myself " for being a " bad eater " , when I know that isn't what caused my MO to begin with! Unfortunately, I think a lot of people choose RNY because of availability and/or affordability. They either don't know about DS (because they aren't informed, either by their doctor or otherwise), they can't get approval for it or they don't want to travel for it. Other people hear about the DS and believe the rumors and/or untruths about the long-term results. Not that either surgery is without complications, but people are going to believe what they're going to believe. The wheels of medicine turn slowly, as do a lot of things. Maybe one day... My $0.02, - > > >If you really want to know what it is like to live after RNY, subscribe to > >OWLS_SG@y... > >I got on this list and I have not figured out how to get off - I think I > >unsubbed already cause it doesn't show up on the lists I am on when I got to > >yahoogroups.com, but I am still getting mail. > >Read a few posts there about eating too fast and forgetting to chew chew chew > >and eat small amts. and throwing up lunch. > >WOW - really makes me want to get an RNY, doesn't it you? > >So if anyone you know is considering RNY or thinks its better, let them sub > >to that list for a few days and read the Real Experiences of those who are > >post-op RNY. > >Carole > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 There are so many RNYers on the www.obesityhelp.com site. I've read so much about how they deal with the dumping, cramping, vomiting, etc. ...and how they WELCOME it to keep themselves " in check. " I figure I've spent a lifetime punishing myself over my weight for a variety of reasons, even though I know it isn't all " my fault " , as they say. Sure I've made some bad food choices (lady, step away from the candy aisle!) and I could always stand to exercise more (who couldn't?), but I'm not going under the knife and risking my life so I can continue to " punish myself " for being a " bad eater " , when I know that isn't what caused my MO to begin with! Unfortunately, I think a lot of people choose RNY because of availability and/or affordability. They either don't know about DS (because they aren't informed, either by their doctor or otherwise), they can't get approval for it or they don't want to travel for it. Other people hear about the DS and believe the rumors and/or untruths about the long-term results. Not that either surgery is without complications, but people are going to believe what they're going to believe. The wheels of medicine turn slowly, as do a lot of things. Maybe one day... My $0.02, - > > >If you really want to know what it is like to live after RNY, subscribe to > >OWLS_SG@y... > >I got on this list and I have not figured out how to get off - I think I > >unsubbed already cause it doesn't show up on the lists I am on when I got to > >yahoogroups.com, but I am still getting mail. > >Read a few posts there about eating too fast and forgetting to chew chew chew > >and eat small amts. and throwing up lunch. > >WOW - really makes me want to get an RNY, doesn't it you? > >So if anyone you know is considering RNY or thinks its better, let them sub > >to that list for a few days and read the Real Experiences of those who are > >post-op RNY. > >Carole > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 --Sherry, best of luck in your evaluations, I hope they are able to give you answers. I understand your decision, and wish you many many years of glorious health free of obesity. Be well, Meli - In duodenalswitch@y..., GABS12992@A... wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/01 7:31:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lookn2bthin@c... writes: > Now after saying that, I have some horrible news to share. As I've probably > mentioned at least 100 times, my surgery is tomorrow. Well not anymore. It > is postponed. These last few days I've been really sick with barely > controllable diarrhea and stomach pains. I went to my regular doctor > yesterday. He was hoping that maybe it's nerves and gave me Librax. It > helped a little yesterday but I've been sick again today. I called the > surgeon and was truthful and the diarrhea and they postponed it. Honestly, > in a way I'm relieved because I need to get a handle on whatever is going on > with my stomach. I cannot live with this anymore. I am going to see a > gastrointerologist tomorrow as an emergency and hopefully he will schedule > some tests and figure out why i've been like this for so long. Dr.'s telling > me that they THINK it's IBS isn't good enough. Someone should have ran some > tests long ago! Anyway, with all of this going on, I have decided to go with > the RNY. I am fearful of possibly regaining weight later on, but I vow to be > as careful as humanely possible. It can be done. I know people that have > been post ops for years and doing very well. This has been an extremely > emotional week as I'm sure you could understand being ill, postponing of > surgery and changing my surgery but I really do feel that I cannot risk the > severe bowel problems of the DS. I do respect all of you who have gone with > this surgery. I still think very highly of it but please don't rip apart all > of the people who have decided to go with the RNY. > > ~Sherry~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 --Sherry, best of luck in your evaluations, I hope they are able to give you answers. I understand your decision, and wish you many many years of glorious health free of obesity. Be well, Meli - In duodenalswitch@y..., GABS12992@A... wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/01 7:31:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lookn2bthin@c... writes: > Now after saying that, I have some horrible news to share. As I've probably > mentioned at least 100 times, my surgery is tomorrow. Well not anymore. It > is postponed. These last few days I've been really sick with barely > controllable diarrhea and stomach pains. I went to my regular doctor > yesterday. He was hoping that maybe it's nerves and gave me Librax. It > helped a little yesterday but I've been sick again today. I called the > surgeon and was truthful and the diarrhea and they postponed it. Honestly, > in a way I'm relieved because I need to get a handle on whatever is going on > with my stomach. I cannot live with this anymore. I am going to see a > gastrointerologist tomorrow as an emergency and hopefully he will schedule > some tests and figure out why i've been like this for so long. Dr.'s telling > me that they THINK it's IBS isn't good enough. Someone should have ran some > tests long ago! Anyway, with all of this going on, I have decided to go with > the RNY. I am fearful of possibly regaining weight later on, but I vow to be > as careful as humanely possible. It can be done. I know people that have > been post ops for years and doing very well. This has been an extremely > emotional week as I'm sure you could understand being ill, postponing of > surgery and changing my surgery but I really do feel that I cannot risk the > severe bowel problems of the DS. I do respect all of you who have gone with > this surgery. I still think very highly of it but please don't rip apart all > of the people who have decided to go with the RNY. > > ~Sherry~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Yes, what Donna said. (She said it so well) (((((Sherry)))))) Meli > Sherry, > > Hi ! I, like you, am pre-op, but I wanted to share with you my thoughts. > I really believe > that everything happens for a reason. We can plan our paths, and sometimes > they go > as planned, and sometimes there's a little 'wrench' that gets thrown into > the mixture that > changes the plans. Most of the time, Sherry, it is a blessing in disguise > and happened > for a 'good' reason or to in some way spare us. > > I have chosen the DS for myself, despite the fact that I've had previous > colon problems. > I chose a particular surgeon and had the consult all set up. Then, the > surgeon said > something to me in an e-mail that made me think twice about him, and as a > result, I've > switched surgeons all together. I had a very special feeling of > 'peacefulness' upon this > change and just knew it had happened for a reason. > > Go with what's in your heart and your gut. If RNY is the choice you are > most comfortable > with, then it is the right decision. This support group is comprised of > many wonderful > people. We all want each other to experience success at this, and we all > respect > each other's decisions. > > We're behind you, Sherry ... go for it, and we'll be here to embrace you > afterwards. > > Bye, > Donna > > email: joostema@u... > > > > > GABS12992 (AT) Aol (DOT) > com To: duodenalswitch@y... > cc: > 08/22/01 06:34 Subject: Re: Re: the truth about RNY > PM > Please respond > to > duodenalswitch > > > > > > In a message dated 8/21/01 7:31:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lookn2bthin@c... writes: > > > > I have three new post ops with RNY in the support group I run here in > > Bellingham. All I hear is how it hurts to eat, nothing tastes good, it > > makes them sick, they are tired, they don't feel good. I finally piped > up > > and said...boy are you reaffirming what I did was the right choice! I > mean > > its insane. > > Okay, I have alot to say! <g> About 40% of the people at my support > meetings > are RNYers. Honestly, they are all happy they chose their surgery. I'm > sure > they think the same about the DSers and their bowel movements and > flatulence. > Not everyone wants to be able to eat large amounts but I don't think that > it > makes them sadistic and looking for punishment. I originally wanted the > RNY. > The tiny portions and dumping did and still do appeal to me. I am not > looking to punish myself or consider myself a bad person for being obese > either. I chose the DS for only ONE reason - I do not want to gain back > weight. The larger portions DO frighten me despite everything I have > learned > and since I already have bowel problems I am literally panicked about > having > the type of diarrhea I've heard DSers describe. > > Now after saying that, I have some horrible news to share. As I've > probably > mentioned at least 100 times, my surgery is tomorrow. Well not anymore. > It > is postponed. These last few days I've been really sick with barely > controllable diarrhea and stomach pains. I went to my regular doctor > yesterday. He was hoping that maybe it's nerves and gave me Librax. It > helped a little yesterday but I've been sick again today. I called the > surgeon and was truthful and the diarrhea and they postponed it. Honestly, > > in a way I'm relieved because I need to get a handle on whatever is going > on > with my stomach. I cannot live with this anymore. I am going to see a > gastrointerologist tomorrow as an emergency and hopefully he will schedule > some tests and figure out why i've been like this for so long. Dr.'s > telling > me that they THINK it's IBS isn't good enough. Someone should have ran > some > tests long ago! Anyway, with all of this going on, I have decided to go > with > the RNY. I am fearful of possibly regaining weight later on, but I vow to > be > as careful as humanely possible. It can be done. I know people that have > been post ops for years and doing very well. This has been an extremely > emotional week as I'm sure you could understand being ill, postponing of > surgery and changing my surgery but I really do feel that I cannot risk the > > severe bowel problems of the DS. I do respect all of you who have gone > with > this surgery. I still think very highly of it but please don't rip apart > all > of the people who have decided to go with the RNY. > > ~Sherry~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Yes, what Donna said. (She said it so well) (((((Sherry)))))) Meli > Sherry, > > Hi ! I, like you, am pre-op, but I wanted to share with you my thoughts. > I really believe > that everything happens for a reason. We can plan our paths, and sometimes > they go > as planned, and sometimes there's a little 'wrench' that gets thrown into > the mixture that > changes the plans. Most of the time, Sherry, it is a blessing in disguise > and happened > for a 'good' reason or to in some way spare us. > > I have chosen the DS for myself, despite the fact that I've had previous > colon problems. > I chose a particular surgeon and had the consult all set up. Then, the > surgeon said > something to me in an e-mail that made me think twice about him, and as a > result, I've > switched surgeons all together. I had a very special feeling of > 'peacefulness' upon this > change and just knew it had happened for a reason. > > Go with what's in your heart and your gut. If RNY is the choice you are > most comfortable > with, then it is the right decision. This support group is comprised of > many wonderful > people. We all want each other to experience success at this, and we all > respect > each other's decisions. > > We're behind you, Sherry ... go for it, and we'll be here to embrace you > afterwards. > > Bye, > Donna > > email: joostema@u... > > > > > GABS12992 (AT) Aol (DOT) > com To: duodenalswitch@y... > cc: > 08/22/01 06:34 Subject: Re: Re: the truth about RNY > PM > Please respond > to > duodenalswitch > > > > > > In a message dated 8/21/01 7:31:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lookn2bthin@c... writes: > > > > I have three new post ops with RNY in the support group I run here in > > Bellingham. All I hear is how it hurts to eat, nothing tastes good, it > > makes them sick, they are tired, they don't feel good. I finally piped > up > > and said...boy are you reaffirming what I did was the right choice! I > mean > > its insane. > > Okay, I have alot to say! <g> About 40% of the people at my support > meetings > are RNYers. Honestly, they are all happy they chose their surgery. I'm > sure > they think the same about the DSers and their bowel movements and > flatulence. > Not everyone wants to be able to eat large amounts but I don't think that > it > makes them sadistic and looking for punishment. I originally wanted the > RNY. > The tiny portions and dumping did and still do appeal to me. I am not > looking to punish myself or consider myself a bad person for being obese > either. I chose the DS for only ONE reason - I do not want to gain back > weight. The larger portions DO frighten me despite everything I have > learned > and since I already have bowel problems I am literally panicked about > having > the type of diarrhea I've heard DSers describe. > > Now after saying that, I have some horrible news to share. As I've > probably > mentioned at least 100 times, my surgery is tomorrow. Well not anymore. > It > is postponed. These last few days I've been really sick with barely > controllable diarrhea and stomach pains. I went to my regular doctor > yesterday. He was hoping that maybe it's nerves and gave me Librax. It > helped a little yesterday but I've been sick again today. I called the > surgeon and was truthful and the diarrhea and they postponed it. Honestly, > > in a way I'm relieved because I need to get a handle on whatever is going > on > with my stomach. I cannot live with this anymore. I am going to see a > gastrointerologist tomorrow as an emergency and hopefully he will schedule > some tests and figure out why i've been like this for so long. Dr.'s > telling > me that they THINK it's IBS isn't good enough. Someone should have ran > some > tests long ago! Anyway, with all of this going on, I have decided to go > with > the RNY. I am fearful of possibly regaining weight later on, but I vow to > be > as careful as humanely possible. It can be done. I know people that have > been post ops for years and doing very well. This has been an extremely > emotional week as I'm sure you could understand being ill, postponing of > surgery and changing my surgery but I really do feel that I cannot risk the > > severe bowel problems of the DS. I do respect all of you who have gone > with > this surgery. I still think very highly of it but please don't rip apart > all > of the people who have decided to go with the RNY. > > ~Sherry~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Sherry, I too support you no matter what.. but weren't you considering using Dr. Keshisian?? I know his office is discussion a " less distal " DS for another patient with colon troubles- why not talk to them at least, see if they agree it would be the ticket for you, etc., before you commit to an RnY? maybe a common channel of 200cm would provide an acceptable risk AND a decent weight loss/quality of life?? Believe me, I'm understanding exactly what you're feeling.. but I know of RnYs who also have problems with diarrhea.. and there is NO WAY I would undo this, even with my troubles! I know you're not a happy camper, and I wish I had decent advice.. but I'll be supporting you no matter What you decide. hugs, Liane > In a message dated 8/22/01 7:12:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jhensel@c... writes: > > > > how can it be severe if you have a common channel of 100 cm? sometimes its > > just the common channel that might be the problem????? > > Same way people with DS are being treated for fissures and other problems > from such severe diarrhea. It could be the common channel, it may not. > There is no way to predict if my getting the DS will help it or be the end of > me. I can't chance it. Believe me, I have shed tears over this. It's not > something I took lightly but honestly feel this is the better choice for me. > I still want to hang out on the board. I've enjoyed everyones company and > have learned alot. Btw, what do you mean literally foaming at the mouth? > What's that all about? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Sherry, I too support you no matter what.. but weren't you considering using Dr. Keshisian?? I know his office is discussion a " less distal " DS for another patient with colon troubles- why not talk to them at least, see if they agree it would be the ticket for you, etc., before you commit to an RnY? maybe a common channel of 200cm would provide an acceptable risk AND a decent weight loss/quality of life?? Believe me, I'm understanding exactly what you're feeling.. but I know of RnYs who also have problems with diarrhea.. and there is NO WAY I would undo this, even with my troubles! I know you're not a happy camper, and I wish I had decent advice.. but I'll be supporting you no matter What you decide. hugs, Liane > In a message dated 8/22/01 7:12:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jhensel@c... writes: > > > > how can it be severe if you have a common channel of 100 cm? sometimes its > > just the common channel that might be the problem????? > > Same way people with DS are being treated for fissures and other problems > from such severe diarrhea. It could be the common channel, it may not. > There is no way to predict if my getting the DS will help it or be the end of > me. I can't chance it. Believe me, I have shed tears over this. It's not > something I took lightly but honestly feel this is the better choice for me. > I still want to hang out on the board. I've enjoyed everyones company and > have learned alot. Btw, what do you mean literally foaming at the mouth? > What's that all about? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Hi Sherry: > The tiny portions and dumping did and still > do appeal to me. I am not looking to punish > myself or consider myself a bad person for > being obese either. I'm really not trying to beat up on you, but I just don't understand why tiny portions and dumping would appeal to you? > The larger portions DO frighten me > despite everything I have learned Like said, " larger " is relative. My surgeon states quite explicitely that we will never be able to eat more than a " small " meal. > since I already have bowel problems I am > literally panicked about having the type > of diarrhea I've heard DSers describe. I don't understand this either. Out of 1413 people on this list, I know of one, (poor Liane), who has an ongoing problem with diarrhea. > I called the surgeon and was truthful and > the diarrhea and they postponed it. Honestly, > in a way I'm relieved because I need to get a > handle on whatever is going on with my stomach. I think this is an excellent idea. > Anyway, with all of this going on, > I have decided to go with the RNY. Respectfully, I have to disagree with this decision. Actually, not with the decision, but with the timing. I really think you should figure out what's wrong with your current digestive arrangement before making any decisions on how to rearrange it -- it could make a big difference in what you decide to do. For example, my understanding is that many people with Irritable Bowel Syndrome have their symptoms IMPROVED by the DS. Also, you are obviously feeling very emotional right now, with good reason. But, good reason or not, are you sure that you want to make a decision right now that you'll have to live with forever? After all, the concensus seems to be that once your pylorus is disconnected for the RNY, it will never function again, so you can't switch to the DS later. Have you considered the Lap Band as a temporary measure? That way, you could get started on your weight loss and figure out what is going on with your intestines BEFORE making any permanent changes to your interior anatomy. Please consider all of these issues carefully before committing yourself one way or another. Regards, Tom Panniculectomy, Dr. Anthone, 11/10/2000 Open DS, Dr. Anthone, 03/30/2001 Goal: Lose 80% of Excess Weight ******************************* * Starting Weight = 386 * * " Ideal " Weight = 142 * * =========================== * * Total Excess Weight = 244 * * 80% x Excess Weight = 201 * * Goal Weight = 386-201 = 185 * * =========================== * * Total Needed to Lose = 201 * * Loss To Date = 118 * * =========================== * * Remainder to Goal = 83 * ******************************* Weight By Date: (most recent first) 08/20/2001 . . 268 08/13/2001 . . 270 08/06/2001 . . 272 07/30/2001 . . 275 07/23/2001 . . 276 07/16/2001 . . 278 07/03/2001 . . 286 06/25/2001 . . 293 06/15/2001 . . 299 06/03/2001 . . 301 05/18/2001 . . 316 05/03/2001 . . 328 04/19/2001 . . 338 03/30/2001 . . 360 11/10/2000 . . 386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Hi Sherry: > The tiny portions and dumping did and still > do appeal to me. I am not looking to punish > myself or consider myself a bad person for > being obese either. I'm really not trying to beat up on you, but I just don't understand why tiny portions and dumping would appeal to you? > The larger portions DO frighten me > despite everything I have learned Like said, " larger " is relative. My surgeon states quite explicitely that we will never be able to eat more than a " small " meal. > since I already have bowel problems I am > literally panicked about having the type > of diarrhea I've heard DSers describe. I don't understand this either. Out of 1413 people on this list, I know of one, (poor Liane), who has an ongoing problem with diarrhea. > I called the surgeon and was truthful and > the diarrhea and they postponed it. Honestly, > in a way I'm relieved because I need to get a > handle on whatever is going on with my stomach. I think this is an excellent idea. > Anyway, with all of this going on, > I have decided to go with the RNY. Respectfully, I have to disagree with this decision. Actually, not with the decision, but with the timing. I really think you should figure out what's wrong with your current digestive arrangement before making any decisions on how to rearrange it -- it could make a big difference in what you decide to do. For example, my understanding is that many people with Irritable Bowel Syndrome have their symptoms IMPROVED by the DS. Also, you are obviously feeling very emotional right now, with good reason. But, good reason or not, are you sure that you want to make a decision right now that you'll have to live with forever? After all, the concensus seems to be that once your pylorus is disconnected for the RNY, it will never function again, so you can't switch to the DS later. Have you considered the Lap Band as a temporary measure? That way, you could get started on your weight loss and figure out what is going on with your intestines BEFORE making any permanent changes to your interior anatomy. Please consider all of these issues carefully before committing yourself one way or another. Regards, Tom Panniculectomy, Dr. Anthone, 11/10/2000 Open DS, Dr. Anthone, 03/30/2001 Goal: Lose 80% of Excess Weight ******************************* * Starting Weight = 386 * * " Ideal " Weight = 142 * * =========================== * * Total Excess Weight = 244 * * 80% x Excess Weight = 201 * * Goal Weight = 386-201 = 185 * * =========================== * * Total Needed to Lose = 201 * * Loss To Date = 118 * * =========================== * * Remainder to Goal = 83 * ******************************* Weight By Date: (most recent first) 08/20/2001 . . 268 08/13/2001 . . 270 08/06/2001 . . 272 07/30/2001 . . 275 07/23/2001 . . 276 07/16/2001 . . 278 07/03/2001 . . 286 06/25/2001 . . 293 06/15/2001 . . 299 06/03/2001 . . 301 05/18/2001 . . 316 05/03/2001 . . 328 04/19/2001 . . 338 03/30/2001 . . 360 11/10/2000 . . 386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Patti, Obviously, your body is highly adaptive. You're " special " in a superhuman sort of way. Good for you, but bad for weightloss. I'll bet you'll outlive us all!! Glad you're doing well, Meli -- In duodenalswitch@y..., " Patti Skiba " <psscares@n...> wrote: > I stopped losing between 6-7 months out. At 1 year I started gaining weight > back, and was up 30 lbs by the time I had a revision on 6-25-2001. I gained > and lost a few lbs the weeks before surgery, and wasn't weighed before > surgery, so I don't quite know the exact. I was told my intestines lengthen > on their own, causing me to gain. > Patti > > > You had a DS twice? what happened?? > > > > Judie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Patti, Obviously, your body is highly adaptive. You're " special " in a superhuman sort of way. Good for you, but bad for weightloss. I'll bet you'll outlive us all!! Glad you're doing well, Meli -- In duodenalswitch@y..., " Patti Skiba " <psscares@n...> wrote: > I stopped losing between 6-7 months out. At 1 year I started gaining weight > back, and was up 30 lbs by the time I had a revision on 6-25-2001. I gained > and lost a few lbs the weeks before surgery, and wasn't weighed before > surgery, so I don't quite know the exact. I was told my intestines lengthen > on their own, causing me to gain. > Patti > > > You had a DS twice? what happened?? > > > > Judie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 A couple of people in my support group mentioned having the foaming thing. One believed it was because she has an unusally short stomach and therefore ended up with a very small stomach after surgery. Me, I've not had that experience. KathleenF Open DGB/DS Dr. Rabkin/Dr. Jossart 01/02/01: 374# 07/17/01: 260# http://www.webniche.com/wls > Judie: > Yes, I know this is what happens to people with the RNY, but I am only > stating this also happens to me. ..snip.. > and I want people to know what can happen even though some say it can't with > a DS. I had a 2 dumping episodes in NY a few days before my revision from > drinking a quarter of a cup of a starbucks drink. I tried a different drink > a few days later their and I couldn't even make it back to my motel room > without throwing up. I had Crissy who also had the DS there, and she > witnessed this both times. Crissy has also had the foam thing happen to > her, and she doesn't have Sjogrens...snip.. > Judie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 >If a surgeon went less distal on a DS, wouldn't the larger > capacity of the stomach hinder the weight loss? > I would think it might affect it somewhat.. but the surgeon would know better than I. I was thinking about trying to get you the pyloric advantages with a lesser chance of IBS troubles. Incidentally.. it seems my troubles may be an extremely exaggerated attack of IBS.. still waiting to talk to the doctors about it, but strangely, still doing better, lol. I just want you to be successful and comfortable.. I support whatever you decide, honey. Hugs, Liane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 >If a surgeon went less distal on a DS, wouldn't the larger > capacity of the stomach hinder the weight loss? > I would think it might affect it somewhat.. but the surgeon would know better than I. I was thinking about trying to get you the pyloric advantages with a lesser chance of IBS troubles. Incidentally.. it seems my troubles may be an extremely exaggerated attack of IBS.. still waiting to talk to the doctors about it, but strangely, still doing better, lol. I just want you to be successful and comfortable.. I support whatever you decide, honey. Hugs, Liane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Hi Sherry: > Why does this appeal to me? Because of > the history that I have now. My main > problem lies with my food portions and > wrong food choices. Gee, problems with food portions and choices? Well, none of US have ANYTHING like that! (; But seriously, this is me, (on a bad day, i.e., at least once or twice a week), prior to the DS: Starting at about 6:00 p.m., I'd waddle down to my local Subway sandwich place for some nice, " healthy " food. I'd pick up two twelve inchers, two chips, and two sodas. (Of course, I'd get two different sandwiches, so the guy at the counter wouldn't think, i.e., KNOW, that I was going to scarf them both myself.) Next, I'd huff and puff back up the slight incline toward my apartment building, with a quick stop at the gas station/convenience store for some munchies, (just in case I was overwhelmed by hunger later). Of course, there's no telling exactly what I'd want later, so I had to pick up a variety (of sugars). Usually it would be something along these lines: a quart of chocolate milk, a big bag of Cracker Jack, two pints of Ben & Jerry's, and two or three jumbo candy bars, just to fill in the corners, so to speak. Then I'd wheeze my way back to my apartment, plop down in front of the T.V., and consume every last scrap of this hoard prior to going to bed. I figured out once that, on an AVERAGE day, I ate between 5,000 and 6,000 calories, most of it from sugar or other simple carbohydrates. On a BINGE day, I would easily DOUBLE that -- no kidding, I'd pack down an easy 10,000 to 12,000 calories in a single day. > I am not completely blaming myself. Some of > my obesity is genetics, some is from PCOS but > nevertheless I do admit that I eat way too much > and go off the deep end with sugar at times. You may not be " completely " blaming yourself, but are putting far, far too much blame on yourself, and I think it's because you may not understand just what it is that makes so many of us get fat in the first place. The question is not WHETHER you eat too much, or WHETHER you go off the deep end with sugar. The question is WHY do you eat too much, and WHY do you go off the deep end with sugar. You seem to think that the WHY question is simply a matter of personal weakness. It's not. It's really, really, really, NOT. Here's how it works: When we, (MO people), eat sugar in just about any form, that is, just about any form of carbohydrate, our blood sugar levels go up, which causes our bodies to pump out insulin to counter the spike in blood sugar. Only the thing is, our bodies don't pump just enough insulin, they pump a huge amount of insulin. The huge spike in insulin makes us feel exhausted and weak -- the excess insulin has now driven our blood sugar level down way too low. So, guess what? We CRAVE SUGAR, because our bodies want to balance themselves. So we eat more sugar. But our bodies don't balance. Instead, they once again pump out too much insulin, which starts the cycle all over again. Have you ever wondered why so many MO people become insulin-dependant diabetics? It's because by repeatedly pumping out way too much insulin in reaction to blood sugar, we wear out the glands that produce the insulin in the first place! The genetic component doesn't directly make us fat. It just makes us more prone to having these insuline-related problems. Then our sugar cravings do the rest! > I just feel the RNY will keep me in > check if I do have a " bad " food day. I used to think this too, until I researched the RNY in more depth and figured out that just the opposite is true! It's true that the dumping and vomiting will keep you in check for a while. But over time your body adjusts, and then you don't get the dumping anymore. This is what frightened me away from the RNY. Why? Because, I realized that, once my body adjusted, and I stopped dumping all the time, I could go right back to eating massive quantities of sugar, tiny stomach pouch or not, just by eating it slowly. For example, let's say I was having a " bad " food day, and I decided to whip up a double batch of chocolate fudge -- a pretty common occurance in my pre-DS days. When I started eating the fudge, chewing each piece would mix it with saliva, then swallowing it would mix it with stomach juices. The candy would quickly liquify and run right out that open " stoma " into my intestines. And if it didn't go down quickly enough, a mere sip of my old standby, chocolate milk, would help move things along in a hurry. In other words, I realized that with the RNY I would be able to sit and pig out on sugar CONTINUOUSLY, and with only a tiny bit of malabsorption, my body would react just like it did before surgery, and pretty soon I'd be close to 400 pounds all over again. This is why I think you should reconsider, or at least put off, your decision to have the RNY. Being a sugar-eater, the RNY will NOT prevent you from regaining whatever weight you lose, and then you'll be in an even worse position than you are in now. Another thing -- you say that you'll follow the RNY guidelines. Are you sure you're not fooling yourself with this? If it was so easy to follow guidelines, why don't we all just do that? Just stop eating sugar and start exercising a lot, and we'd be thin in no time. We don't follow these " guidelines " because we CAN'T -- our sugar chemically-induced cravings are stronger than we are! > I know the DS is a great surgery but > since I am having bowel problems already, > I may as well go for what my heart wanted > in the first place. My heart wanted the RNY too, because I didn't want to have to give up the sugar addiction which ruled my life as surely as crack cocaine rules the lives of its addicts. But my BRAIN told me to have the DS, and now I DON'T CRAVE SUGAR ANYMORE. Finally, regarding your bowel problems. The way you are rushing into this decision (to switch surgeries) without having any real ideal what is causing the problem in the first place makes me wonder if you are truly aware of your own motivations. HUH?! After quite a bit of pondering, I figured out that one of the main reasons I'd ever wanted the RNY was because I was so terrified of becoming a normal weight person. And, with the RNY, if being thin became too hard, I knew I'd always have the option of becoming fat again. Please think about all this stuff carefully. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Hi Sherry: > Why does this appeal to me? Because of > the history that I have now. My main > problem lies with my food portions and > wrong food choices. Gee, problems with food portions and choices? Well, none of US have ANYTHING like that! (; But seriously, this is me, (on a bad day, i.e., at least once or twice a week), prior to the DS: Starting at about 6:00 p.m., I'd waddle down to my local Subway sandwich place for some nice, " healthy " food. I'd pick up two twelve inchers, two chips, and two sodas. (Of course, I'd get two different sandwiches, so the guy at the counter wouldn't think, i.e., KNOW, that I was going to scarf them both myself.) Next, I'd huff and puff back up the slight incline toward my apartment building, with a quick stop at the gas station/convenience store for some munchies, (just in case I was overwhelmed by hunger later). Of course, there's no telling exactly what I'd want later, so I had to pick up a variety (of sugars). Usually it would be something along these lines: a quart of chocolate milk, a big bag of Cracker Jack, two pints of Ben & Jerry's, and two or three jumbo candy bars, just to fill in the corners, so to speak. Then I'd wheeze my way back to my apartment, plop down in front of the T.V., and consume every last scrap of this hoard prior to going to bed. I figured out once that, on an AVERAGE day, I ate between 5,000 and 6,000 calories, most of it from sugar or other simple carbohydrates. On a BINGE day, I would easily DOUBLE that -- no kidding, I'd pack down an easy 10,000 to 12,000 calories in a single day. > I am not completely blaming myself. Some of > my obesity is genetics, some is from PCOS but > nevertheless I do admit that I eat way too much > and go off the deep end with sugar at times. You may not be " completely " blaming yourself, but are putting far, far too much blame on yourself, and I think it's because you may not understand just what it is that makes so many of us get fat in the first place. The question is not WHETHER you eat too much, or WHETHER you go off the deep end with sugar. The question is WHY do you eat too much, and WHY do you go off the deep end with sugar. You seem to think that the WHY question is simply a matter of personal weakness. It's not. It's really, really, really, NOT. Here's how it works: When we, (MO people), eat sugar in just about any form, that is, just about any form of carbohydrate, our blood sugar levels go up, which causes our bodies to pump out insulin to counter the spike in blood sugar. Only the thing is, our bodies don't pump just enough insulin, they pump a huge amount of insulin. The huge spike in insulin makes us feel exhausted and weak -- the excess insulin has now driven our blood sugar level down way too low. So, guess what? We CRAVE SUGAR, because our bodies want to balance themselves. So we eat more sugar. But our bodies don't balance. Instead, they once again pump out too much insulin, which starts the cycle all over again. Have you ever wondered why so many MO people become insulin-dependant diabetics? It's because by repeatedly pumping out way too much insulin in reaction to blood sugar, we wear out the glands that produce the insulin in the first place! The genetic component doesn't directly make us fat. It just makes us more prone to having these insuline-related problems. Then our sugar cravings do the rest! > I just feel the RNY will keep me in > check if I do have a " bad " food day. I used to think this too, until I researched the RNY in more depth and figured out that just the opposite is true! It's true that the dumping and vomiting will keep you in check for a while. But over time your body adjusts, and then you don't get the dumping anymore. This is what frightened me away from the RNY. Why? Because, I realized that, once my body adjusted, and I stopped dumping all the time, I could go right back to eating massive quantities of sugar, tiny stomach pouch or not, just by eating it slowly. For example, let's say I was having a " bad " food day, and I decided to whip up a double batch of chocolate fudge -- a pretty common occurance in my pre-DS days. When I started eating the fudge, chewing each piece would mix it with saliva, then swallowing it would mix it with stomach juices. The candy would quickly liquify and run right out that open " stoma " into my intestines. And if it didn't go down quickly enough, a mere sip of my old standby, chocolate milk, would help move things along in a hurry. In other words, I realized that with the RNY I would be able to sit and pig out on sugar CONTINUOUSLY, and with only a tiny bit of malabsorption, my body would react just like it did before surgery, and pretty soon I'd be close to 400 pounds all over again. This is why I think you should reconsider, or at least put off, your decision to have the RNY. Being a sugar-eater, the RNY will NOT prevent you from regaining whatever weight you lose, and then you'll be in an even worse position than you are in now. Another thing -- you say that you'll follow the RNY guidelines. Are you sure you're not fooling yourself with this? If it was so easy to follow guidelines, why don't we all just do that? Just stop eating sugar and start exercising a lot, and we'd be thin in no time. We don't follow these " guidelines " because we CAN'T -- our sugar chemically-induced cravings are stronger than we are! > I know the DS is a great surgery but > since I am having bowel problems already, > I may as well go for what my heart wanted > in the first place. My heart wanted the RNY too, because I didn't want to have to give up the sugar addiction which ruled my life as surely as crack cocaine rules the lives of its addicts. But my BRAIN told me to have the DS, and now I DON'T CRAVE SUGAR ANYMORE. Finally, regarding your bowel problems. The way you are rushing into this decision (to switch surgeries) without having any real ideal what is causing the problem in the first place makes me wonder if you are truly aware of your own motivations. HUH?! After quite a bit of pondering, I figured out that one of the main reasons I'd ever wanted the RNY was because I was so terrified of becoming a normal weight person. And, with the RNY, if being thin became too hard, I knew I'd always have the option of becoming fat again. Please think about all this stuff carefully. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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