Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 , what you describe happens more often than you might realize - how you are ushered in to a treatment and not encouraged to seek information / alternatives. That's hwo it was when my oldest was born. The midwife pushed me to see a doctor asap, the baby-doctor pushed me to see this certain orthodic (?) specialist....it just snow balled, everyone was in this big @$$ hurry to get their hands on his feet and when a momma is still freshly post-partum and faced with a surprise birth defect, you just find yourself rolling with that snow ball that you eventually get burried in. You are very fortunate to have information now. Seven years ago there was surprisingly little information about cf on the internet, and even less about Dr. Ponseti. But that aside, I didn't look in to alternatives. That was my mistake, and my ignorance, and now, my cross to bear. I've had sons treated by both traditional and Ponseti methods, the difference is black and white and I promise you won't regret making the change. Your life will become suddenly simplified! That's one of the main differences I found was how " Simple " the ponseti method was compared to the traditional method, and yet the results were so amazing. When my 2nd son was born two years ago the hospital pediatritian came in twice pushing me to start casting before we even went home, telling me it'll be months of casting and probably surgery, etc. I kept trying to tell him about the Ponseti method but he was not open to hearing it. I finally had to just stand firm (rude?) and refuse to let him touch Everett's feet. We went home for 2 weeks, then drove to Iowa City. Hang in there! s. Re: Re: Photos Uploaded Geisha feet...heehee! I took ink prints of Hayden's feet the other day and they are as wide as they are long! I had a good chuckle over how cute they were! Basically what I have been doing is taking the shoes off as soon as Hayden begins to fuss (and I notice they are slipping). Then I just massage his feet and stretch them a little and put the shoes back on when I feel like it. My husband and I are going to take him to the ortho place on Monday to ask what more can be done. Well, HE is - this is my concession to him agreeing to let Hayden see Dr. Pirani. We kind of " had it out " last night and I think what a lot of his resistance boils down to is that he might be embarrassed and feel he is losing face in the eyes of Dr. A if we change. Ridiculous. As if she will even care - she has plenty of clients. The description of the tendon is interesting - when I am doing the stretches on Hayden's feet, his left tendon in particular feels very taut and almost rope-like or as hard as a bone when I do the dorsi-flexion. It would see to me that since Dr. A has been using the Botox for five years and probably treating clubfoot for longer than that, that she would know about the detriments of slipping casts and also about atypical clubfoot. This is why I want to see Dr. Pirani so much. I'm going to go and get the referral this week and then see him on the 25th. Kind of did it backwards (thanks to )), but there you go. I think what angers me the most about this situation is that we were not offered options in the beginning. We were referred immediately to the Children's Hospital because it is joined to the Women's Hospital where Hayden was born. No one said " go home and get used to the idea and do some research and make a decision because there is Option A and Option B, etc. " We were given the choice of casting him at two days or waiting a week, but the assumption was there that we were returning to Children's for the treatment at any rate. I am so mad that I didn't take a moment to think about it and explore the options, but it was all such a blur and so overwhelming. When I was told I had to have another c-section after my other birth, I researched for two years and guess what? No c-section. Thank goodness that it isn't too late and he is still very little and his feet will get fixed. Ijust want to start enjoying his infancy and relax a little bit. --- angelmommy23 wrote: --------------------------------- , I am Kai's mother. I can tell you that all my children have small feet for their ages as well, but they are kind of small children LOL Kai's clubfoot has always been exceptionally shorter than the other - by 3/4 " or more - except for two times in his life. The first was after Dr Ponseti casted him, and the second is right now. He just came out of another set of two casts and his foot is within 1/2 inch of his normal foot. So, you see there are small feet, and then there are giesha feet ... Anyway, something that is pretty consistent in atypical clubfoot is an extremely short achilles. I know that Dr Alvarez has had some great success with Botox, but it seems she has forgotten to screen children for suitability. If Hayden's achilles is anything like Kai's was, no amount of stretching - even while paralyzed - is going to make it normal length. Dr Mosca told us once that some achilles tendons kind of gently drop when cut, and some snap. Kai's was one that snapped ... and his heel dropped from roughly the position of Hayden's to normal in moments. See, the difference in the photos you posted and those of Kai's foot is that Kai was actually standing with his heel on the floor. But right before the tenotomy his foot looked just like Hayden's. Dr Pirani has all the necessary experience and skill to help Hayden. We have even approached him about seeing Kai even tho we are American, and he has eagerly agreed if this last casting doesnt stay. Slipping in casts in extremely detrimental to the foot and can do alot of damage. If the casts are not staying on, there is a reason, and it needs to be addressed. Good luck, Angel Hi there, I have > made a folder for Hayden and uploaded some photos. > As you can see from the 12th casts, his left foot is > still quite > sloped at the heel, much more than the right, even > though the rotation > appears to be 70 degrees. But when you see his feet > after just a few > weeks out of the casts, and supposedly in the shoes, > you can see the > left one already wanting to turn back in. Arrgh! > > I'm going to collect my thoughts and see if I can > compose something > coherent to Dr. Ponseti. I am not sure if the photos > I have taken are > good enough for him to see what's happening, though. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 , Whatever you do, don't beat yourself up over how Hayden's treatment was handled in the past. It is unfortunate that while there are getting to be more and more Ponseti doctors out there, it seems that the hospitals where these babies are being born are still in the dark about clubfoot treatment. I think massaging his feet is a wonderful idea, and I would pay particular attention to that plantar tendon (the one that runs up the bottom of the foot, right in the arch area. If you can work that area with your thumbs I think that would be really helpful. One thing I would really quiz Dr. Pirani about is if he is really up on the latest from Dr. Ponseti and his group on atypical. I am almost certain he will say yes, but I would definitely make it a point to ask him and if you have feedback from Dr. Ponseti be sure to share it with him. As Angel said, Dr. Alvarez should have been able to make a better decision about Hayden's treatment. Although she may not be up on the latest in treatment of atypical feet, Dr. Ponseti himself is just now really paving the way (there he goes again) in the treatment of the atypical foot. And the slipping casts were known to be a problem, but it is just kind of a developing theory about that possibly being a " cause " of atypical feet. Hopefully you will be able to relax a bit now, and give his feet lots of kisses! Hi there, I have > > made a folder for Hayden and uploaded some photos. > > As you can see from the 12th casts, his left foot is > > still quite > > sloped at the heel, much more than the right, even > > though the rotation > > appears to be 70 degrees. But when you see his feet > > after just a few > > weeks out of the casts, and supposedly in the shoes, > > you can see the > > left one already wanting to turn back in. Arrgh! > > > > I'm going to collect my thoughts and see if I can > > compose something > > coherent to Dr. Ponseti. I am not sure if the > photos > > I have taken are > > good enough for him to see what's happening, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 , Whatever you do, don't beat yourself up over how Hayden's treatment was handled in the past. It is unfortunate that while there are getting to be more and more Ponseti doctors out there, it seems that the hospitals where these babies are being born are still in the dark about clubfoot treatment. I think massaging his feet is a wonderful idea, and I would pay particular attention to that plantar tendon (the one that runs up the bottom of the foot, right in the arch area. If you can work that area with your thumbs I think that would be really helpful. One thing I would really quiz Dr. Pirani about is if he is really up on the latest from Dr. Ponseti and his group on atypical. I am almost certain he will say yes, but I would definitely make it a point to ask him and if you have feedback from Dr. Ponseti be sure to share it with him. As Angel said, Dr. Alvarez should have been able to make a better decision about Hayden's treatment. Although she may not be up on the latest in treatment of atypical feet, Dr. Ponseti himself is just now really paving the way (there he goes again) in the treatment of the atypical foot. And the slipping casts were known to be a problem, but it is just kind of a developing theory about that possibly being a " cause " of atypical feet. Hopefully you will be able to relax a bit now, and give his feet lots of kisses! Hi there, I have > > made a folder for Hayden and uploaded some photos. > > As you can see from the 12th casts, his left foot is > > still quite > > sloped at the heel, much more than the right, even > > though the rotation > > appears to be 70 degrees. But when you see his feet > > after just a few > > weeks out of the casts, and supposedly in the shoes, > > you can see the > > left one already wanting to turn back in. Arrgh! > > > > I'm going to collect my thoughts and see if I can > > compose something > > coherent to Dr. Ponseti. I am not sure if the > photos > > I have taken are > > good enough for him to see what's happening, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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