Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 In a message dated 8/8/01 10:10:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, timarie55@... writes: > Welcome home and a speedy and complete recovery to you! > > Thanks Theresa...and good luck onyour surgery. I am hoping I saved my knees by having my WLS now before they got bad. Take care, ~~* AJ *~~ Post op 7/24/01 self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain 07/24/01 BMI 64 - 415.1 08/06/01 BMI 59 - 390.2 -24.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~ Check out the Bellingham Support for WLS WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping others trying to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach them>>>>> Yep, yep AJ,.....but first things first.......tell us about Spain and your journey with Dr B first!!! (Im hanging on the edge of my seat!!) Hugs, Judie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Dr. Baltazar is the greatest. I'm of course prejudice as we all are towards our surgeons but this man was not only compassionate and kind to me besides doing an excellent job on my surgery but he held my hand as I laid on the operating table, trembling,telling me as they did things...it was incredible. Spain is very hot and humid. It was very different too. The streets are narrow and Alcoy is a very old town. The clinica was old but clean and the nursing staff was A+. The nurses didn't speak much english but we sure had alot of fun and laughs trying to communicate. I was well taken care of and the one thing that stood out is they are very behind the times...LOL They still use the glass bottle iv bottles, old fashioned enema, etc. Yet I had a chest xray and they were able to deal with anything that comes up. I heard that Dr. B. is wanting or planning to convert completely to the surgeries at the clinica and they are going to update and upgrade in the next year or so. My surgery was only 110 minutes. I had my tubes tied, gallbladder/appendix out and he removed about 80% of my stomach and left me with a 65cm common channel. We all were done a bit different of the four of us that were done the week I was there and so I can see he does it to the patient's needs while 75cm is his common choice. I saw him 3 times a day every day I was there and I did really well. Never threw up...no problems. Was up the night of surgery and walking the next day. I had my stitches half removed on the 4th day and the rest on the 5th day and also my drains removed. That was a very strange feeling...by the time you thought..hey that sorta hurts it was over...LOL. I am almost completely healed on the outside and everything is looking good. My incision is horizontal and starts about 2 inches to the right of the center of my body and around to the left side. So...I was released from the clinica on the 5th day and spent the last week in Alicante in a hotel. Our room had a view of the Med. Sea so that wasnt so bad. We had live concerts across the street almost every night and the final night there there were fireworks right on top of the hotel! I'll post some pics on my website soon so you can see some of the area and I got a great shot of Dr. B. I just loved him! So did I forget anything...got anything you want to know? Ask away! Oh...coming home was very difficult. I couldnt get help so I ended up walking all the airports...all 5 of them...LOL AJ " Judie Hensel " wrote: >I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping others >trying >to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach them>>>>> > >Yep, yep AJ,.....but first things first.......tell us about Spain and your >journey with Dr B first!!! (Im hanging on the edge of my seat!!) > >Hugs, Judie > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Dr. Baltazar is the greatest. I'm of course prejudice as we all are towards our surgeons but this man was not only compassionate and kind to me besides doing an excellent job on my surgery but he held my hand as I laid on the operating table, trembling,telling me as they did things...it was incredible. Spain is very hot and humid. It was very different too. The streets are narrow and Alcoy is a very old town. The clinica was old but clean and the nursing staff was A+. The nurses didn't speak much english but we sure had alot of fun and laughs trying to communicate. I was well taken care of and the one thing that stood out is they are very behind the times...LOL They still use the glass bottle iv bottles, old fashioned enema, etc. Yet I had a chest xray and they were able to deal with anything that comes up. I heard that Dr. B. is wanting or planning to convert completely to the surgeries at the clinica and they are going to update and upgrade in the next year or so. My surgery was only 110 minutes. I had my tubes tied, gallbladder/appendix out and he removed about 80% of my stomach and left me with a 65cm common channel. We all were done a bit different of the four of us that were done the week I was there and so I can see he does it to the patient's needs while 75cm is his common choice. I saw him 3 times a day every day I was there and I did really well. Never threw up...no problems. Was up the night of surgery and walking the next day. I had my stitches half removed on the 4th day and the rest on the 5th day and also my drains removed. That was a very strange feeling...by the time you thought..hey that sorta hurts it was over...LOL. I am almost completely healed on the outside and everything is looking good. My incision is horizontal and starts about 2 inches to the right of the center of my body and around to the left side. So...I was released from the clinica on the 5th day and spent the last week in Alicante in a hotel. Our room had a view of the Med. Sea so that wasnt so bad. We had live concerts across the street almost every night and the final night there there were fireworks right on top of the hotel! I'll post some pics on my website soon so you can see some of the area and I got a great shot of Dr. B. I just loved him! So did I forget anything...got anything you want to know? Ask away! Oh...coming home was very difficult. I couldnt get help so I ended up walking all the airports...all 5 of them...LOL AJ " Judie Hensel " wrote: >I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping others >trying >to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach them>>>>> > >Yep, yep AJ,.....but first things first.......tell us about Spain and your >journey with Dr B first!!! (Im hanging on the edge of my seat!!) > >Hugs, Judie > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Pammi....you're making me blush! Thanks for the compliments! I just sent a quick overview of my trip...I am hoping when I get home today (yes I'm at work right now...) to post pics and everything! AJ psbilyeu@... wrote: >Amy--tell everyone about SPain---they all don't get to see Dr. B's >postings--they were surely a shot in the arm. He did 4 Americans in >one week and they all did fabo!!! Amy already is on her way with >25#s gone--wow!!! At 5'8 " which is the beauty queen height and that >incredible face of hers, and the beautiful mass of hair (which I >covet immensely) look out!!!! > >Looking forward to chewing the fat!!! Verbally and literally!! > >Pammi >set to switch >10/15/01 Spain > > > > >> In a message dated 8/8/01 5:48:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> melaniemag@y... writes: >> >> >> > > Your point is well taken, . I just thought that there >might >> > > be a " nicer " way to ask for those references than saying " I >think you >> > > mis-spoke and I don't understand for the life of me why you >would >> > > say this. " Is there more than one standard for >judging " niceness " on >> > > this board, ? >> > >> > Nick, you are an attorney, correct? That being the case, I assume >you to >> > have enough intelligence that you don't need things explained to >you in >> > intricate detail. Obviously, the absence of intonation in list >posts >> > will mean that some people perceive certain things different >ways. But I >> > didn't see anything offensive in Carole's post. You clearly just >want to >> > be provocative, for whatever reason. What's the point? It has >nothing to >> > do with the DS, and it only serves to make you look like a >jackass. I >> > enjoy your humor and your posts here are often insightful. But the >> > sarcasm and pot-stirring isn't really necessary, is it? >> > >> > >> >> I have been here for a while and I just wondered why suddenly I am >sensing >> hostilty from so often. I have great respect for everyone >on this >> list and while some people I don't necessarily understand their >posts, Nick >> seems to take the edge and run with it and get reactions. He >enjoys >> that..and for the most part I get a laugh reading it. I can >understand not >> everyone likes or respects that sense of humor. I truly don't find >him to be >> offensive or even being disrespectful to a specific person yet the >responses >> coming back are very personal and seem to be taken that way. I may >be out of >> line here but I'm tired. I came back after surgery to the same >junk before I >> left. >> >> I found the tone of Carole's post to be a bit rude...so like >anything, we all >> read different things into what is said here. I found 's >response to >> be right up there also. Maybe some of the people here should >ignore certain >> people's emails if they don't like the style of their >post...something I will >> begin doing myself. >> >> I don't mean to start anything or appear to be picking out good and >bad >> people...just am really tired of this junk. I find everyone here >has a >> positive and I tend to focus on that and enjoy each person for the >strengths >> they bring to the list. We aren't all going to be best friends or >even like >> each other...the common bond here is weight and surgery...but >that's it...so >> expect some limitations. >> >> Please can't we get past all this and back to having fun, learning, >sharing >> and enjoying the successes we are all making! I just got back >from an >> incredible time in Spain and then got my first loss of 25 lbs... >Now I know >> how all the other post ops have felt in the beginning.... >> >> I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping >others trying >> to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach >them. This is >> such an incredible time in our lives....I really hate having it >interrupted >> for quick reactions to things that were meant to be humorous... >> >> Ok...so don't everyone hate me...I had to let this out..its been >driving me >> nuts. >> >> Congrats to all the other new post ops and much success to the pre- >ops...if >> anyone wants to know anything about Dr. Baltasar (he is the >best...LOL) >> please feel free to ask...I'm all answers! >> >> Can we please drop the attitudes and get back to the reason we are >all here? >> ~~* AJ *~~ >> Post op 7/24/01 >> self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain >> 07/24/01 BMI 64 - 415.1 >> 08/06/01 BMI 59 - 390.2 -24.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~ >> >> Check out the >> Bellingham Support for WLS >> WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Pammi....you're making me blush! Thanks for the compliments! I just sent a quick overview of my trip...I am hoping when I get home today (yes I'm at work right now...) to post pics and everything! AJ psbilyeu@... wrote: >Amy--tell everyone about SPain---they all don't get to see Dr. B's >postings--they were surely a shot in the arm. He did 4 Americans in >one week and they all did fabo!!! Amy already is on her way with >25#s gone--wow!!! At 5'8 " which is the beauty queen height and that >incredible face of hers, and the beautiful mass of hair (which I >covet immensely) look out!!!! > >Looking forward to chewing the fat!!! Verbally and literally!! > >Pammi >set to switch >10/15/01 Spain > > > > >> In a message dated 8/8/01 5:48:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> melaniemag@y... writes: >> >> >> > > Your point is well taken, . I just thought that there >might >> > > be a " nicer " way to ask for those references than saying " I >think you >> > > mis-spoke and I don't understand for the life of me why you >would >> > > say this. " Is there more than one standard for >judging " niceness " on >> > > this board, ? >> > >> > Nick, you are an attorney, correct? That being the case, I assume >you to >> > have enough intelligence that you don't need things explained to >you in >> > intricate detail. Obviously, the absence of intonation in list >posts >> > will mean that some people perceive certain things different >ways. But I >> > didn't see anything offensive in Carole's post. You clearly just >want to >> > be provocative, for whatever reason. What's the point? It has >nothing to >> > do with the DS, and it only serves to make you look like a >jackass. I >> > enjoy your humor and your posts here are often insightful. But the >> > sarcasm and pot-stirring isn't really necessary, is it? >> > >> > >> >> I have been here for a while and I just wondered why suddenly I am >sensing >> hostilty from so often. I have great respect for everyone >on this >> list and while some people I don't necessarily understand their >posts, Nick >> seems to take the edge and run with it and get reactions. He >enjoys >> that..and for the most part I get a laugh reading it. I can >understand not >> everyone likes or respects that sense of humor. I truly don't find >him to be >> offensive or even being disrespectful to a specific person yet the >responses >> coming back are very personal and seem to be taken that way. I may >be out of >> line here but I'm tired. I came back after surgery to the same >junk before I >> left. >> >> I found the tone of Carole's post to be a bit rude...so like >anything, we all >> read different things into what is said here. I found 's >response to >> be right up there also. Maybe some of the people here should >ignore certain >> people's emails if they don't like the style of their >post...something I will >> begin doing myself. >> >> I don't mean to start anything or appear to be picking out good and >bad >> people...just am really tired of this junk. I find everyone here >has a >> positive and I tend to focus on that and enjoy each person for the >strengths >> they bring to the list. We aren't all going to be best friends or >even like >> each other...the common bond here is weight and surgery...but >that's it...so >> expect some limitations. >> >> Please can't we get past all this and back to having fun, learning, >sharing >> and enjoying the successes we are all making! I just got back >from an >> incredible time in Spain and then got my first loss of 25 lbs... >Now I know >> how all the other post ops have felt in the beginning.... >> >> I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping >others trying >> to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach >them. This is >> such an incredible time in our lives....I really hate having it >interrupted >> for quick reactions to things that were meant to be humorous... >> >> Ok...so don't everyone hate me...I had to let this out..its been >driving me >> nuts. >> >> Congrats to all the other new post ops and much success to the pre- >ops...if >> anyone wants to know anything about Dr. Baltasar (he is the >best...LOL) >> please feel free to ask...I'm all answers! >> >> Can we please drop the attitudes and get back to the reason we are >all here? >> ~~* AJ *~~ >> Post op 7/24/01 >> self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain >> 07/24/01 BMI 64 - 415.1 >> 08/06/01 BMI 59 - 390.2 -24.9 lbs!!!!!!!!!!~~~~ >> >> Check out the >> Bellingham Support for WLS >> WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 AJ, Thanks so much for sharing your story. Sounds like the ideal experience, an uneventful surgery! We were all keeping you in our prayers. As for the airports, I have been fighting a bumm knee since October... (knee replacement surgery scheduled for 2 weeks) and have had to do some extensive travelling for work. I notified the airlines, and they have met me at every gate with a wheelchair. The unfortunate part is that a couple of times, these wheelchairs must have been meant for someone's derriere much much smaller than mine, and they had to go get the industrial sized one! Welcome home and a speedy and complete recovery to you! Hugs, Theresa > > >I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping others > >trying > >to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach them>>>>> > > > >Yep, yep AJ,.....but first things first.......tell us about Spain and your > >journey with Dr B first!!! (Im hanging on the edge of my seat!!) > > > >Hugs, Judie > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 AJ, Thanks so much for sharing your story. Sounds like the ideal experience, an uneventful surgery! We were all keeping you in our prayers. As for the airports, I have been fighting a bumm knee since October... (knee replacement surgery scheduled for 2 weeks) and have had to do some extensive travelling for work. I notified the airlines, and they have met me at every gate with a wheelchair. The unfortunate part is that a couple of times, these wheelchairs must have been meant for someone's derriere much much smaller than mine, and they had to go get the industrial sized one! Welcome home and a speedy and complete recovery to you! Hugs, Theresa > > >I want to be discussing what I should be trying to eat, helping others > >trying > >to get surgery and hearing everyone's successes as they reach them>>>>> > > > >Yep, yep AJ,.....but first things first.......tell us about Spain and your > >journey with Dr B first!!! (Im hanging on the edge of my seat!!) > > > >Hugs, Judie > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 , I did miss the Deb contraversy, but I have been around for a few months. I just think that Nick likes to get your dander up for the fun of it. His sarcasim can be either taken as light and witty or annoying depending on how you read it. I would suggest not taking the bait, but let people know the history so they know when he is being sarcastic. Nick is involved in one of these insurance battles that many of us are, so he has much understandable frustration. I think he felt censored regarding the insurance discusion even though he was only censured. I think things got escalated when they could have been left alone. I have tremendous respect for you and all the moderators in this group. You have done a tremendous service and I do think that Nick misunderstands you. On the other hand he is sometimes misunderstood. I for one enjoy much of what he has to say, though I just sort of chuckle when he gets sarcastic. I know it rubs all of you the wrong way though - but taking the bait and responding only makes things worse, which I sense that you know. Hull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 , I did miss the Deb contraversy, but I have been around for a few months. I just think that Nick likes to get your dander up for the fun of it. His sarcasim can be either taken as light and witty or annoying depending on how you read it. I would suggest not taking the bait, but let people know the history so they know when he is being sarcastic. Nick is involved in one of these insurance battles that many of us are, so he has much understandable frustration. I think he felt censored regarding the insurance discusion even though he was only censured. I think things got escalated when they could have been left alone. I have tremendous respect for you and all the moderators in this group. You have done a tremendous service and I do think that Nick misunderstands you. On the other hand he is sometimes misunderstood. I for one enjoy much of what he has to say, though I just sort of chuckle when he gets sarcastic. I know it rubs all of you the wrong way though - but taking the bait and responding only makes things worse, which I sense that you know. Hull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 In a message dated 8/8/01 3:17:56 PM, duodenalswitch writes: << On the other hand he is sometimes misunderstood. I for one enjoy much of what he has to say, though I just sort of chuckle when he gets sarcastic. I know it rubs all of you the wrong way though - but taking the bait and responding only makes things worse, which I sense that you know. >> I know, I know -- That's why my replies are almost always tongue in cheek! We also enjoy what he has to say - when he isn't being sarcastic! ROFL I think mainly it's a concern that things will get really heated again and the group will be in utter turmoil. THe whole controversy with Deb really, really tore the group asunder and quite a few people left (both old timers and relative newcomers). The group had generally been peacable (of course, there were misunderstandings, hurt feelings, discussions as well as debates - but nothing on the magnitude or fervor as seen with the censorship issue). all the best, Noverr-Chin co-moderator, duodenalswitch lap ds with gallbladder removal January 25, 2001 Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC six months post-op and still feelin' fabu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 - Nope, I sure don't need to have you spell things out. Thanks for the upgrade to " jackass. " Best- Nick in Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > I am going to go out on a limb here and post the > following statement in hopes of not being attacked > or misinterpreted. > > " I " believe it is far more positive to support all > means of bariatric surgery with facts or questions > regarding surgery or life afterwards. > G. Woodward, MPH, LCEP > Live Light, Program Director > Gulf Coast Medical Center > Biloxi, MS 39531 > 1- > www.gulfcoastmedicalcenter.com Hi : I think it would be much easier not to " misinterpret " you, (your motivations, etc.), if you had directly disclosed in your post that you are the program director of a surgical weight loss program which offers the Laparoscopic Silastic Ring Vertical Gastroplasty, (which I believe is a form of Vertical Banded Gastroplasty), and the RNY, but which does NOT offer the DS. You are certainly entitled to promote the idea that " [w]e must stand together and promote our choice to have bariatric surgery, regardless of what procedure someone has chosen. " I don't happen to agree with you, and I can't help but wonder if your opinion, your source of income, and your presence on this list are somehow connected. (I also wonder why you use your signature line to promote a non-DS related surgery program, rather than telling something about your own DS experience, as is the custom.) Nonetheless, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Tom Panniculectomy, Dr. Anthone, 11/10/2000 Open DS, Dr. Anthone, 03/30/2001 11/10/2000 . . . . . . 386 (Panniculectomy) 03/30/2001 . . . . . . 360 (DS) 04/19/2001 . . . . . . 338 05/03/2001 . . . . . . 328 05/18/2001 . . . . . . 316 06/03/2001 . . . . . . 301 06/15/2001 . . . . . . 299 06/25/2001 . . . . . . 293 07/03/2001 . . . . . . 286 07/16/2001 . . . . . . 278 07/23/2001 . . . . . . 276 07/30/2001 . . . . . . 275 08/06/2001 . . . . . . 272 Goal Weight. . . . . . 185 Lost So Far. . . . . . 114 Ugly Pounds Remainder to Goal. . . 87 USC DS Support Group: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ds_usc> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 i don't think that it makes sense to compare the proximal RNY to the DS. The proximal RNY does not have good stats for keeping the weight off. Of course there are less problems relating to malabsorption. There is NO malabsorption with the proximal RNY. IT is just a small stomach with all the drawbacks of the loss of the pyloric valve and NONE of the advantages of sustained long run weight off. The only comparison that makes since is a Distal RNY and the DS. And here the DS wins hands down, IMHO. People with a distal RNY have to live on supplements to get in their protein. Not so the DS folks who can eat most of what they need in good old f-o-o-d. My $.02 yank in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 i don't think that it makes sense to compare the proximal RNY to the DS. The proximal RNY does not have good stats for keeping the weight off. Of course there are less problems relating to malabsorption. There is NO malabsorption with the proximal RNY. IT is just a small stomach with all the drawbacks of the loss of the pyloric valve and NONE of the advantages of sustained long run weight off. The only comparison that makes since is a Distal RNY and the DS. And here the DS wins hands down, IMHO. People with a distal RNY have to live on supplements to get in their protein. Not so the DS folks who can eat most of what they need in good old f-o-o-d. My $.02 yank in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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